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On April 26 2016 03:41 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:35 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that. 1. You wouldn't be in a bad spot because you'd be in 4v2 LyLo with Shape (who I had just said to kill right after me) 2. I concede this point 1 may be true but that doesn't make me scum. Just because I would be in a good position if I was scum doesn't indicate I'm scum. JAT is in a even better position if he is scum yet I don't think you're scumreading him. JAT is town for other reasons that you aren't
You still have to produce any reason that would show why I'm scum
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On April 26 2016 03:45 Tumblewood wrote:
Out of time but will be back at about 45 minutes before deadline
On April 26 2016 03:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:33 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 03:27 Rels wrote:
Tumble do you even have something to say ? What do you think of Onegu's recent posting ? What do you think of my response to you 3 hours ago where I said you were lying ? I think Onegu is scum trying to take advantage of my inactivity to escape a lynch. I don't have that response handy so I'll answer it once I find it Oh and here's something to say Onegu and Rels are still scum (but for real what is the point of those questions) The point is that I think you're scum, I think you entered the thread only because people were talking about you, and you have no idea what to say. Here is my post: On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that. To expand, why did you post i n the thread when you're not even caught up ? Apparenrlty you didn't read this answer when it was posted 6 minutes after your post.
Please answer this when you come back.
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Tumble's read on Superbia is really the strongest scum indicator. Both the fact that he scumread rsoultin who shared the almost same read and his refusal to vote him to survive EOD1.
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On April 25 2016 20:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 05:23 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 05:12 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 04:25 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 04:06 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 03:24 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 12:47 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:
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jat is town
jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD
superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one)
palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone
i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus
sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing
gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing
onegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value
ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me
fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub
tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now @tumble...super maybe scum=no vote as alternate wagon...gb exactly null=vote as alternate wagon care to explain? I was afraid of voting Superbia and him flipping green (not as a likelihood thing, but if he did I forecast my own mislynch for the next day). GB lynch happened at a point where several more townies had come out and defended me and attacked Superbia, so it felt, in a way, less risky. -squints at- i don't really understand this explanation what is the difference between you being lynched d1 or d2? until gb ninja-voted he was prob not getting lynched over super, yet you were still voting yourself because you were worried you'd be lynched d2 if super flipped town? so d1 is okay but not d2? explain the bolded like i'm 5. what is the significance of when the gb lynch happened and how was that less risky? Because at that point it was clear that voting a counterwagon was the difference between dying and surviving instead of dying d1 and dying d2.Of course, it turned out GB would have died without my help, but it still seemed up in the air at the time. why? when superbia was the counterwagon i thought i would for sure be lynched at some point when gb was the counterwagon it became apparent that maybe i wouldn't be lynched okay, so honestly, you're just really confusing me here. like you're not making sense and my first instinct is that should be scum but i think even scum would make more sense here, so i must just not be understanding @.@ it's as simple as...the wagons are between super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote super then the wagons are between gb, super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote one of them why would your scumread flipping town be worse than your null read flipping town? nononono when super was the counterwagon it wasn't "if i want to live i need to vote super", it was "if i don't vote super i die d1 if i vote super i die d2" then everyone left super for gb and people simultaneously said that i was town, so it became "if i don't vote gb i die d1 if i vote gb i don't die" like i got so entrenched in thinking i was going to die that i didn't even see superbia as a survival wagon, just a delay death wagon This doesn't make any sense. You scumread Superbia and was null on GB. But you didn't vote Superbia to save yourself because "you would die D2 anyway if Superbia was lynched", but you voted GB to save yourself because "you wouldn't die D2 automatically if GB was lynched". I cannot even comprehend what you are trying to say. This logic is so twisted. I'm calling BS on this.
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^ and this explanation after that happened doesn't make sense
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I wrote a message to go with that post, I have no idea where it went p:
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On April 26 2016 03:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I feel like I should probably switch to tumble here.
The logic behind voting tumble seems far and away more solid than voting Onegu for doing nothing.
I have the same feeling. Onegu only being somewhat useful when he's being lynched is annoying but at least he pushed something against Tumble. Tumble came into the thread, did nothing, and left.
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This is a good find. Gotta AFK for 1 hour, will fact check after that.
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On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels. But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL. 
Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this:
On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough: Show nested quote +
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
Show nested quote +
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch.
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Alright see you in 1 hour.
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On April 26 2016 04:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels. But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL. Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this: On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch. Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that.
Why, did she soft medic ?
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On April 26 2016 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 23:16 Rels wrote:On April 15 2016 23:14 rsoultin wrote:+ Show Spoiler +No puedo decidir si me gusta matar SL o no...ayúdame ;o; El espacio entre su primera entrada y las otras era tan larga pero no sé como interpretar su lista de deseos sobre los jugadores :/ I can't decide whether or not I want to lynch SL...help me ;o; The time between his first post and the rest was pretty long but I don't know how to interpret that list of who he does and doesn't want to play with :/ SL is easy to read after a few days. Not a good D1 lynch. Seriously... where is this read?
On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.
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On April 26 2016 04:38 justanothertownie wrote:
AH, he is talking about what tumble did ages ago. Sorry.
He's talking about me a few hours ago actually.
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On April 26 2016 04:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels. But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL. Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this: On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch. Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that. Why, did she soft medic ? Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic.
SL why did you think that ?
JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that.
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SL though if you're super convinced it's Onegu / Tumble like you are it shouldn't matter to you that Tumble is lynched there ?
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On April 26 2016 05:05 sicklucker wrote:
no i still think you can be mafia. but its like 80/20 tumble? Id prefer time to think about it
You attacked me yesterday for not voting when I apparently had a lot of time to think about everything ...
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On April 26 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:02 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:58 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels. But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL. Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this: On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch. Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that. Why, did she soft medic ? Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic. SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that. Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia.
Well if you believe that couild be the case you need to look for proof because I reread the whole game until N2 a few hours ago and I can't think of anything like that
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On April 26 2016 05:29 sicklucker wrote:
Like we have two kills and they both have to be right. Im also killing onegu. If he lives today im killing him tormorow SO I want him dead first. I could acualy see myself voting rels over tumble. Unlucky but its possible thats my mindset and thats why i want it to be 6pm alread
For what reason ?
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On April 26 2016 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:29 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 05:02 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:58 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:04 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 04:03 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels. But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL. Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this: On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol) On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch. Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that. Why, did she soft medic ? Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic. SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that. Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia. Well if you believe that couild be the case you need to look for proof because I reread the whole game until N2 a few hours ago and I can't think of anything like that How am I supposed to look for proof of something that would have only been posted in the mafia qt anyways? srsly?
Because I try to prove I'm town using the rsoul kill and you say "well scum could have been thinking she's medic". So if you can't find any reason that 'sculm could have been thinking she's medic", your argument doesn't work.
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On April 26 2016 05:33 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:30 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 05:29 sicklucker wrote:
Like we have two kills and they both have to be right. Im also killing onegu. If he lives today im killing him tormorow SO I want him dead first. I could acualy see myself voting rels over tumble. Unlucky but its possible thats my mindset and thats why i want it to be 6pm alread For what reason ? huh?
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