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On March 25 2016 05:44 Tictock wrote: I'll get to reading this sometime tonight. Yea... this isn't actually happening | ||
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I wanna try something difference since I've almost missed a phase. | ||
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At that point I might share my thoughts about the game. | ||
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Would replace if that were an option, but tbh even then it's not really a time issue just a life issue. I'll make an effort to not be totally useless today, finish my reading and share my thoughts. Idk when this situation is going to be resolved though. | ||
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On March 26 2016 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Day 1 Final Votecount Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi, Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin Tumblewood: (0): ritoky (0): Alakaslam (0): Damdred (0): sandroba (0): Not Voting (4): Stutters695, Tictock, Alakaslam, Tumblewood Day 1 ends in . Finished reading up till EoD. This vote is really odd as a final count, both Rsoul and Tube voting Kuru and everyone piled on them... could be a TvT. I think one of Kuru or Rsoul is probably scum though. Reads at this point: VayneAuthority - Null - + Show Spoiler + Drops a half assed read on Rsoul #547, pretty much only thing he's firm about and leaves. Could be townie not giving a fuck or scum dropping a vote and outing. Kurumi - Scum lean - + Show Spoiler + #216 kinda an odd open, he really just rambles about a couple of different people in one post; Gum pointed out this interesting bit in #268; #305 alot more rambling and the conclusion that gum is for sure scum feels kinda over the top; #495 stopped reading after the "bollocks I was really wrong, I really was too harsh" reaction to gum flipping town; #870 kinda like this post, feels genuine... could prob come from scum though; #1008 actually like this response; #1071 really weak vote, opportunistic and rife with omgus; WoT's feely rambling like they have no read drive/motivation behind them, reads seem kinda weak and opportunistic for how much he likes to write Stutters695 - Turns out was a blue... Damdred - mild scum lean - + Show Spoiler + #166 decent post, shows critical thought and is pushing for info; #300 decent reads, disagree about Vivax and LS though; #379 mimics Jat in making the "sensible statement here" also the snap defense of LS feels off even if he's townreading him; #1264 don't like this vote, #959 pile of garbage that boils down to "don't lynch me, I'm a good player!"; #1055 says he likes this post from Tube but in #1264 he plops his vote on Tube with no real explanation (actually never did find much about his Tube read rechecking his filter) Weird vote on Tube, not explained and he had recently quoted a post he liked, a few townie posts but nothing I haven't seen Damdred do as scum before sandroba - town - + Show Spoiler + #966 felt same way about SL's gum vote; #967 weird he doesn't know gum got shot; all in all the thought dumb from #966 to 972 feels pretty towny; Feels alot like sandroba from last game ObiWanShinobi - town lean -+ Show Spoiler + #957 and #1000 seems like Obi is being fairly forward with his thoughts Koshi - town - + Show Spoiler + Easiest read in the game, I have posts noted for him but why bother... Rels - town lean - + Show Spoiler + #439-440 jumps in with stuff on his mind; #537 exactly my thought; #1280 I like this catch; I read Rels by the way he pushes on people and things, as scum he tends to nitpick and will overpush little things, here he feels level headed and his pushes are more questioning than vindictive. I also doubt a scum!Rels would say I could be town for being afk. justanothertownie - town lean - + Show Spoiler + #348 feels like an odd open, the way he defends Rit while dismissing his plan suggests he has a strong town read on rit; #544 & # 557 are both solid posts from Jat, I like how he's applying critical thinking but not being quick to conclusions Can't recall if I've actually played with JAT before so not sure what his scum range is, but he is probably town from the way he is processing things ritoky - slight scum lean - + Show Spoiler + The whole VT claim, fishing, w/e thing seems off to me. It's not so much that Rit played it so poorly, but that he put so much focus on it. I found one LS read from him early on I liked, #285, but otherwise his first page (actually a large part) of filter is all about his brilliant play. #816 also shows that Rit knew there was a chance his play might never even work (he knows that Scum QT's are often provided with fake claim info). #827 claims to give no fucks, but 832 keeps defending his plan and telling people it was good seems like he gives several fucks. It's like Rit knows his plan didn't work, played it bad, but is really concerned that people know it was done with pure intentions. I'm just not feeling like Rit's actions match what he claims he was doing here. #798 is a pretty weak read on Super imo, I wouldn't put that past a scum!super at all. Posts like #404 is more what I'd expect from town!Rit, simple to the point reads. sicklucker - Town lean - + Show Spoiler + #162 feels like a bit of a hop on vote; So not much really stood out to me from SL, but he's not giving a shit how he comes off to people and I can see the reasoning behind his pushes pretty clearly. Hard to explain but he feels town Alakaslam - Scum - + Show Spoiler + I really disliked Slams reactions after his shot went off, he pushes blame off on others, some of his explanation on the shot seems convoluted, and he basically fucked off after defending himself. I'm not seeing anything he's done to contribute to this game. #137 right off the bat this feels odd, it's quite clear what koshi is doing with that (reffering to his list postings); #363 says he would have shot Rsoul; #409 now suggests he's rethinking and must sleep on it?; #655 says everyone being butthurt makes him not want to cooperate, but everything he's done has been acting on his own thus far... Slam hasn't even given reads; #678 says he considered shooting Kuru or Gum, went with gum kus of bad meta useage (as in gum was sorta scum reading slam); #844 says he was agreeing with Kuru and shot Gum, then suggests he's mad he's getting the blame; #1140 the timeline in this is wrong, Slam says he thought about retracting the shot before bed, woke up thinking about it, then remembered his original reason for scum reading gum... how did he forget why he wanted to shoot gum in all the "thinking" time he had? It's really weird how Slam says he was both considering shooting Kuru but agreeing with him on gum at the same time. He also never mentions his thought about shooting Rsoul after the shot goes off, there is too much not making sense to me here, besides the fact that slam shot a fairly active person so early with so little thought given Tumblewood - Null/slight town lean - + Show Spoiler + #278 tumble's open, it adds nothing and look terrible... probably town; #286 another post that does little to impact the game, fits with town meta #329 feels like Tumble is setting up blame for a town flip from gum rather than looking for voting modivations; #670 really doesn't make sense, especially why he is SURE slam is town here I'd prob put Tumble down as town for meta, but that's not a great town read Shapelog - Null - + Show Spoiler + #181 post mirrors my thinking; #187 reads seem weird, not sure why he's TRing slam; #283 I dont get this post, it's a wierd response to LS; #623 feels really wishywashy to me, like he's really avoiding coming to conclusions; #711 this focus on VA seems odd when there are multiple people, like myself, who are not really playing, shape himself has pointed us out #716 maybe just a little too eager to please & respond? Shape's overall tone and attitude gives me a town feel, but his reads feel a little off to me and he's being kinda wishywashy while focusing on weird things. Vivax - Town - + Show Spoiler + I like this style of play from vivax, it screams town to me. #262 I like this "fuck off let me do my thing" attitude coupled with promising to behave, plus I like his points; #324 huge stream of thought type post, unlikely from mafia; #634 yea, never lynch vivax rsoultin - Scum lean - + Show Spoiler + #327 open post that tries to talk about a ton, but says nothing; #331 is a bad post, it says nothing while implying people are scum, it's also a surface reaction which shows no effort in reading tumble; #1017 this tunnel on Rit feels a little forced, even though I agree he's sus; #1019 these "I'm not the lynch" style posts feel so blah to me, #1117 weird vote given how focused she's been on Rit, also unsure where this read on Kuru comes from kinda like #353 and #358 is the sorta attitude you get from a town not giving a fuck While I have a similar suspiscion of Rit, Rsoul doesn't seem to be willing to look at Rit possibly being town while asking others to do the same for herself. Combined with her sudden burst of activity when she was being voted on, and her odd vote while semi-giving up pushing Rit, I'm having a hard time seeing Rsoul as town. LightningStrike - scum lean - + Show Spoiler + #172-173 kinda odd how defensive of Slam he is being, especially give gum wasn't really pushing slam; #196 Promising to check things and taking a lot of middle of the road stances; #277 omgus feels out of place, #279 he is over-defensive over something simple; #534 feels a little opportunistic, #891 really good non-answer... ; I know LS has something of a reputation of being lynchbait, but I'm not getting much from him that suggests he's trying to solve the game here. I only recall him posting some town and null reads, never got the sense that he has scum reads Superbia - Town - + Show Spoiler + #135 half joking/half down to buisness; #174 not sure where this TR on slam comes from; #192 good points, also adds to my own thoughts about #187; #242 strong post, gives me strong town feels; #501 - 505 love this train of thought breaking down the gum wagon Attitutde & tone feels town, paranoid about people town reading him, probably has done the most to try to sovle the game | ||
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On March 27 2016 04:20 Damdred wrote: I think there are three options really to how the wagons happened. 1) town vs town mafia just did whatever and are spread out and aren't very active. 2) town vs mafia. Rs is only real active mafia the others are in the dnv list. 3) town v mafia all other mafia but rs are on tube saving her. There's lots of different scenarios but just how the thread feels it feels more like one where mafia isn't trying to disrupt the thread and cause as much chaos over a mislynch. I could be dead wrong and probably are but it's just a feeling atm. Ows what do you think who are scum? I can agree that these 3 scenarios are most likely, I'm also wondering if Kuru were scum if his teammates might have been pushing his voters. Though, Day 1 Final Votecount Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi , Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin Kinda looks to me like scum was piled on Tube to save Rsoul... | ||
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On March 27 2016 06:58 Kurumi wrote: Just in case + Show Spoiler + So, maybe some of you aren't convinced that I am Town, but I believe that Scum have no qualms like that and I am probably going to bite the dust here. While I was wrong on both shoe and Tube, I feel that I was well-grounded on my reads, which people actually have agreed with - seeing that Tube was lynched and shoe was read two-ways based on the same point I brought up. I might've said one thing too much on top of all that, which might seal the deal even more. Anyway, this is why I am writing this post - I believe I have played a strong game and that I am now going to go down because of it. So I gotta leave you with some reads to work with. My proposed Mafia team is: Koshi ritoky rsoultin Ticktock/Stutters695/Tumblewood/VayneAuthority aka lurker-class scum. Now the reasons: For Koshi they are simple and people have picked up on that. First, the list. It's utterly insignificant, unhelpful, but great to look like he is doing something. He also said something about a plan and he - as we can see in the thread, abandoned it without any word on what the plan was and how it was supposed to help Town (What we can gather, his plan was to post the list only and only that, which, as you can guess, I am not going to Town-read at all!). Koshi's played a very wishy-washy game. He voted lots (ritoky, Alakaslam, tumblewood, sandroba, Tubesock), voted lots of flimsy evidence and has defended rsoultin, while townreading people seeing her as scum. He himself admits that. It looks like a good setup to be able to back-pedal on his vote on Tube when things get heated: I was just wrong guys, like look: I was townreading the guys against her! It is especially damning that having such townreads did not make him reconsider his stance on rsoultin. One of the most damning things for me though, besides the wishy-washiness is how he has played the game during the night: this is the moment Koshi is the most active, fearless about the results of the Night kills. He is above that. No worries - Koshi is going to be here on D2! How does he know that? Well, he knows where the KP is going. He knows that KP is not heading his way, unless his team partners decide to be silly pranksters! Look how contrarian to everything he is and how little effort he puts into it: he has those reads only to sow distrust among us. ritoky: His play was questioned before. I once decided that his play was just dumb, but dumb in a Townie way. But after the D1 has ended, we saw no follow-up. No redemption. He made us look at him and then disappeared, while believing he is near confirmed town! I understand that RL reasons are there, but come on, if you plan something, you have the time. So it's a contradiction. Remember that ritoky was defended by rsoultin by the very start and many people around the time of his fuckup have come into the thread and started to throw acussations my way. RSO defends him, Koshi makes no case against him besides saying he is Mafia. The votes weren't on him, only lots of suspicion around. All he has done was to introduce chaos into the thread, his teammate rsoultin dipped too much anyway. Handling by her has been acknowledged and she was up as one of the lynch candidates. rsoultin: Her showing, especially handling the ritoky situation (hardcore defense) her absence for lots of late D1, the vote on me feels like she tried to avoid any responsibility with the lynch. She was fine with what was happening and she was the only one to vote together with Tubesock on me - but made no effort to defend him and herself from killing them. The lurkers... well... it's easier to get disinterested in a game if you are scum, because you know that it needs more effort to work out. Spoiled the WoT. First, I'm pretty sure Koshi is town. Second, do you really think Rsoul and Rit are scum together? They are never scum together with the way they have been going at each other. | ||
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On March 27 2016 07:29 LightningStrike wrote: Not a lot easier but don't you think it's werid he shot a lurker over a scumread of his? Nope, lurker shots are the correct way to go, Rsoul has been posting so pressuring her via lynch should get her to prove she is town or slip up as mafia. Also not sure why you disapprove of his not shooting Rsoul since you town read her? | ||
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On March 27 2016 08:34 ritoky wrote: Why rsoultin is mafia and everyone who didn't vote on her should feel bad: + Show Spoiler + 1) Her read on LS - On March 22 2016 09:23 LightningStrike wrote: /in Student game taking to long to fill. Pregame excuse: I changing play styles due to my last scum breaking my meta. This is LS's comment immediately upon signing up for the game. He expressly states that he is deliberately and consciously trying to change his play; regardless of if he is being successful or not, he has openly stated that the way he is playing is more considered and deliberate than before. As a result of this, people should naturally be wary of using meta reads on LS or old metrics since he is clearly trying to break those notions. Rsoul does not heed this, she has been hard defending him for tonal and meta reasons since his first 5 posts; the exact type of reads she should be wary of making when LS is trying to break those exact reads. On top of that, she has shown no indication of judging if his gameplay outside of this immediate read is town or mafia. The entirety of her read is based on something she should be skeptical of if she were town. The read is bullshit. 2) Meta - In her previous game as mafia, of which I was hosting, she tunneled very hard on 1 person with minimal reasoning and tried to shove the narrative down everyone's throat; constantly repeating the same lines, never re-evaluating, and never adding anything in terms of why that player is mafia. She is doing the same here with me. Here are quotes from the previous game: On February 17 2016 09:32 rsoultin wrote: not lynching the truffle ^^ he sounded like a truffle what does a truffle sound like? truffle sounds like a truffle in this game #circularreasoningftw also not lynching a breshke...so i saw the points on shapelog, eden...the thing that was bugging me about his posting was it almost seemed over the top, like he's trying to sound cheery when he isn't. also, he clearly didn't understand what you were getting at lol >< if he didn't realize that any millers in the game would be aware millers disclaimer: i don't think i've ever played with shapelog, so the toneread is meh probably. for those who have played with him, is he always this OMG OMG sunshine!!! hahahaha! 2nd disclaimer: dumbtell lol...of course scum can also fail to read the op but eh On February 17 2016 11:28 rsoultin wrote: lol >< no one is commenting on my shape toneread it's making me itch On February 17 2016 11:39 rsoultin wrote: yeah that wasn't well-organized, even for me lol >< shape is my preferred lynch who i'm trying to get people to talk about and scott i want to hear more from but he's the other there ^^ that's better also i think i like tumble, at least enough to remove him from the d1 lynch pool On February 17 2016 12:00 rsoultin wrote: can we lynch shape? -bats lashes at- alternatively, if we're lynching players with pre-game excuses, gb is always fun to lynch lol On February 17 2016 12:08 rsoultin wrote: idk, like i could lynch into shape scott gb shining but tbh the only ones i actually suspect are shape and scott...the other two are just eh to me. fine defaults if we can't find/agree on anything better. they're null-to-scummy as opposed to just null On February 18 2016 01:18 rsoultin wrote: :/ i resent that, scott shape is mafia cause tone (i.e. forced) which even he admits and cause i can't seem to get half the game to even talk about him though i mentioned my read like half a dozen times @.@ bresh started so yay bresh! and i think truffle looked briefly too if i recall It continues, you get the picture. In her previous mafia game, she made an early read based on shape's "tone"; never re-evaluated or considered any of his other play throughout the remainder of the day, then just kept repeating how he was mafia and how he was mafia for that. Meanwhile shape had ~6 pages of content. Now I have less pages, but it is not like I have a deficiency of reads or content in my filter for which to consider; however much like she did with shape in her previous game. She has made a read based on 1 thing, not evaluated anything else about me, then just spam repeated "lynch rit". It is precisely the same pattern as her previous day 1 as mafia. 3) She is neglecting her own read on me - This one probably won't work for anyone else, and I don't have a quote to support. But rsoul had previously reached the point with me (before she switched more to hosting than to playing) where she believed every time she read me town I was mafia, and vice versa; and had surmised flipping her read was the best way to read me. It was then successful for her for I think 2 games? So why did she stop doing it here? She has a read that is historically successful, but elects to neglect it and vehemently neglect it simply because I made a play around angle shooting VT role names? Not buying it. 4) The votes on her - I know I am VT, I am extremely confident that sandroba and superbia are town. I think SL, VA, and shape have a decent to high shot of being town. That is 6 town.... Now even assuming that my town reads have gaps and there are sneakster mafia, I think 1 of those at most is mafia. 5 town at least on rsoul is a really good indicator for me. 5) Lack of Scope early - Rsoul had no real inclinations to try and determine anyone's alignments early. She just had no read on nearly 3/4 of the game and wasn't doing anything to try and inform reads either. I made a post on March 24th and 12:56 PDT calling her out for her lack of scope and depth in her reads. Here are her only reads prior to me making that post: LS, vivax - town for meta SL - maybe town for meta slam - policy -> okay with lynch shape - mafia cuz omgus rit - mafia over 24 hours into the game, a player dead, and 6 reads that she has committed to, I would say 4 of which are simply meta, tone, or have 0 depth to them. The only 2 she really went to length to explain are vivax and me. Sorry, but rsoul has much more depth to her play and tries to figure out a lot more people's alignments as town; She has additional information that is why she isn't trying to solve the game as hard; and I think that additional information stems from being mafia. 6) Activity under pressure - After votes begin piling up on her, she begins saying things like "you're not lynching me today" and "you're wasting your time discussing me today"; and begins spamming activity as a response. However, rather than trying to direct that activity and a lynch onto basically the only person she has show a deep and passionate scum read on; she defers to a low hanging fruit (who just posted something so dumb it is probably town). It feels like she is targeting "the lynch I can get" rather than "the lynch I want/believe in". Townies always aim for the lynch they believe in and consult practicality or feasibility later; to me, rsoul is considering saving herself and the lynch she can get first, which is not a town mindset, it is survivalist and almost certainly from mafia. 7) Too many wafflers/defenders considering her play - This is just my own heuristic or metric, but there are far too many people who have no opinion or a positive opinion of her that I grasp or they have explained than her play thus far has warranted. + Show Spoiler + Special tinfoil: no kills last night, if she is a kp carrier, i would imagine she is a high priority RB target considering the vote There's a couple other tiny things, but people don't like my grammar reads or nitpicking word choice shit and it hardly convinces anyone so I will just keep those points to myself and leave this here. She's very VERY likely mafia. I agree with 2,4,5, and 6. Others feel meh to me. 4/7, would sheep. 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On March 27 2016 09:18 LightningStrike wrote: Rels potentially, VA, Vivax +1. Rels usually have a stronger presence as town but activity is nay. VA not really having his usual sharpness(this is a meta read that I borrowing from kushm4sta) and all he did was pretty much complained and didn't do anything outside of that. Vivax fallen off real hard since his big spur of actvity and he is known for lurking as scum. I rather hate these reads. Rels is a straight parrot of what Damdred said earlier, and that Vivax read is super weak, kinda opportunistic too ("this dude isn't here right now! Lurking! Lets lynch"), VA is just low hanging fruit regardless of alignment | ||
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On March 27 2016 11:40 sandroba wrote: How likely you guys think it is that palmar introduces this kind of variance to the game for no particular reason? I mean some person has to invent something give to the other who can use it the next phase and it has only 50% chance of working and you only know what it does after you use it, you don't even know if whoever invented it is town or not. Idk about palmar, but I played in a game recently where you got gifts, you had to unwrap at night, then could use the w/e it was the next night. Gifts were given randomly to town and mafia. So not unheard of. It's kinda a weird role, but then what SL is claiming is a bit unusual as well. It's also sounding like this game is loaded with blues (2 vigs, a flipped investi-type role, Vet-ish, 2 Engi's, +probably one other Protective), so some weakish off roles makes sense. Also Koshi has a solid point that the same role might be given to both town and mafia. So no I don't find her role too unreasonable, and I'm not sure why scum would make up such a weird and complex role either. So either way she is probably telling the truth about what her role is but I'm not sure if it makes more sense for there to be 2 town engi's to play off each other or a counterplay engi on opposing factions. | ||
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On March 27 2016 15:00 Alakaslam wrote: Call it absurd, it is really demoralizing enough when you come back to a shot like that knowing it was your responsibility. I literally cannot be useful this game; you see this as justification to give away a mislynch? And don't give me bullshit about how you don't know I am town. You have been displaying that in fact, you do, and are now grasping for ml to push. My vote goes on Sandroba. This OMGUS is a pile of garbage and while I sympathize with Slams RL situation I'm not sure why he is spending what little time he has playing the game just making these rage posts. | ||
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On March 27 2016 20:17 justanothertownie wrote: Can you explain to me what's the point of putting in all this effort to make this post with all those reads when you haven't even read the rest of the thread which could change your opinion on everything? You could just read instead. This does not strike me as a towny mindset at all. I made the mistake of trying to take notes as I read through the game, I thought it might help since I was only reading small chunks at a time and help me record/process things better. It actually just made reading take twice as much effort, and I failed to organize my thoughts while I made them. EoD felt like the right place to wrap that up, compile my thoughts and put them down in post. Probably never doing that again. | ||
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On March 27 2016 20:26 Kurumi wrote: I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time! Wtf is this? Also excuses and apologies... Could lynch | ||
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On March 27 2016 20:40 Vivax wrote: Today TickTock lynch is best lynch. He is sligthly being like me when I roll scum, plus he scumreads both other wagons from yesterday which is picking low hanging fruit at its finest. Plus he townreads me so hard and Vayne and Tumble whom I both gave reasons to TR are null for him and he doesn't bother at least referencing to my posts where I do that. Just because I think you are town does not mean I agree with all your reads. Also ... the irony of wanting to lynch me for scum reading "low hanging fruit" >.< (how are Kuru and Rsoul low hanging fruit?) | ||
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On March 28 2016 11:46 rsoultin wrote: your reads are kinda awful ^^ i mostly skimmed your post earlier, but you have rit and myself as scum together which is pretty tinfoily at best, i can forgive the ls read even if it's awful cause meh ls he's gonna get scumread whatever and kuru and i as scum together...so basically you've decided that your scum team is completely bussing one another from d1 for no good reason? explain this I didn't say you two were on a team, you were both scum leans but I'm sure not on the same team given how your going at each other. Though since this setup could be multi-faction you could both be mafia (on opposing teams) or some kinda anti-town. I'm not trying to build teams at all, just reading individuals. Also why do you give me a pass on scum-reading LS but not Rit? | ||
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On March 28 2016 11:59 rsoultin wrote: or are you just interacting with yourself ^^ cause if so i'd appreciate you not spamming everything as you demonstrate that you can read I read this. Feels like slander... | ||
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On March 28 2016 13:01 LightningStrike wrote: To bad that you got caught because of you using that gift by Shape and later me  Actually Shape caught me delivering Faction KP on accident when he thought he was watching who would visit his top town read... (he mixed up tracker and watcher), The gift was a Gunsmith ability and I gave the gun to Tube. Your check was the nail in my coffin But we would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you damned meddling kids! | ||
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On March 28 2016 13:08 rsoultin wrote: >> so he's not a coward just literally posting at people not here...still tiiiiiictooooock i poked through your scumreads at least and they weren't as bad as i thought they'd be, but i find it pretty dumb that you agree with me on my scumreads but still call me scum ^^ not considering that you're claiming the scum team is basically all bussing each other is okay if you're just making reads, but retarded if you're then applying it to vote analysis i'll look at the rest of your reads tomorrow but i'd still like to know what you think is actually going on here given your reads also, regarding this point people keep bringing about engineers from multiple factions... it's a bit stupid tbh to think that the host would have one alignment invent and the other "unwrap" even with a coinflip's chance of being able to use the item, which is why i assumed the other engineer had to be town or at least 3p and tried to search for him i know y'all desperately want me to be scum and all cause it's easy to say ^^ but you're gonna have to push another point and commit to just not believing my claim rather than inventing bastard host roles plzthx Don't whine kus I haven't read your crap yet. You actually make a fair point about the Engi roles, assuming you are telling the truth. They sound fairly weak so I could see a pair belonging to town, could sorta act as balancing role if town is doing poorly. Tbh I'm tempted to believe your claim and am more concerned with the 3 vig type roles, I feel like one of them is probably mafia. Torn between Slam and Kuru, Sand seems so towny and his claim was upfront and simple. | ||
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On March 28 2016 13:56 Tumblewood wrote: How are kuru and rsoul low hanging fruit? How are kuru and rsoul low hanging fruit? How are the two most pushed still-alive players low hanging fruit? I don't know, you tell me. So because someone pushed on them before I should leave them alone? Both are pretty active and experienced players, usually low hanging fruit is referring to low-volume posters, afk players, or people who are know to be bad at defending themselves. | ||
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Tictock
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Only took me... 4 days? Not too shabby, gunna reward myself with a break. | ||
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Heres the thing SL, her breadcrumbing looks legit. I definitly believe that she has the role she claims she does, the question is if Engi's would be opposing (of different alignments) or both town sided. Given the description of the role I'm inclined to believe that both Engi's would be town. Of course we only have Rsouls word about the nature of her role... Besides her claim I'm not seeing much that really convinces me that Rsoul is town though. Right now I'm thinking the lynch should be on one of Rsoul, Slam, or Kuru. Slam is kinda tempting simply because I fell like he's been getting some undeserved town reads that make no sense to me, plus the stuff I pointed out rgarding his shot. | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:17 Palmar wrote: Announcement: Alakaslam has been replaced by scott31337 effective immediately Welcome scott. Though tbh I'm not thrilled about this replace, a lot of people are going to let the slot slide now simply because of it and Scott is usually a low volume poster so I'm not sure the replace is gunna help us read the slot better. I'm more than happy to see scott prove me wrong though. | ||
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Tictock
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On March 29 2016 05:45 Tictock wrote: Still catching up, but if these are the lynch options I'm inclined to vote Rsoul. Koshi is a terrible lynch, but his wagon looks like it's probably pure... Actually the Tumble wagon could be pure as well, need to read why people are voting him though. | ||
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On March 29 2016 04:59 Vivax wrote: When I see this I really start to doubt myself. I should probably just have kept pushing the TickTock lynch, he was clearly around a few hours ago and now he still didn't cast a goddamn vote after even posting his candidates. Well yea, I want to wait till last min to vote Koshi. It would look weird if I vote my townread this early. I'd actually preffer to lynch Slam and maybe Kuru, but neither of those are gunna happen. So I'm debating between Tumble and Rsoul. Right now I'm not sure I see Tumble being scum, but I also gave him a pass way too easily last game so I want to get caught up and filter him before I vote. I'm also not sure why you are so tunneled on me, you just think I'm trying to mimic your afk style of scum play? Kus you know, I've seen that work WONDERS for you... | ||
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Tictock
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On March 29 2016 05:08 Kurumi wrote: Okay, so obviously I voted Koshi. I guess no additional comments are needed from me on this topic. I hated the sicklucker/rsoultin exchange and sicklucker spam, jesus christ, what was that? I think JAT, Superbia, Dam, Shape, LS and sandroba are OK. Ticktock has said he believes rso on the basis of crumbs, but has for some reason not seen me crumbing Koshi as someone I want dead since the very first post (also, the rendez-vous part...) so I have no idea what the hell happened there. I have no idea why VA pops in just to propose Tumble as a lynch without pushing him hard enough given the time we have left. OBS is sceptic enough for me to believe he is on the town side. Scum list: Koshi rsoultin ritoky VA/Ticktock Ritoky is too apathetic and my old reasons still are here, as for his question: you'd like to know what happened to my bullet, friend. You'd like to. I believe sandroba's claim, I believe that Slam is Town, rso could be a fifth party planar dragon for all I care. Any questions? You think town has 3 vigs? I find that really hard to believe. I thought your claim was pretty bad, it looked like you were fishing for protective roles to claim or something. True idk why you would claim a shot on Koshi as scum when he didn't die as it just looks weird, but thats really just WIFOM. I also still find it odd you think Rit and Rsoul are on a team and have been hard bussing each other most of the game. | ||
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Tictock
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On March 29 2016 05:29 rsoultin wrote: pues, i still want a kuru lynch his tube read seemed ridic fake, and the fact that when i pointed that out people jumped down my throat makes me feel he's even more likely scum not lynching koshi, btw ^^ Humm, this makes me thing Rsoul is town. Making an effort to start a new wagon (and on someone who I also think is scum) when she is in real danger of being lynched here. Much easier for scum!Rsoul to go, "Yea that koshi/tumble fellow sure is off, lets lynch him" Fuck it, I think her claim is good and now I'm starting to consider her town for other reasons. Koshi is still a terrible lynch, I'm gunna vote Tumble. | ||
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Tictock
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Didn't see anything that made me think he's town. Some of his posts about the Gum wagon and how certain he was that Slam is town feels off to me. There was some other wierd stuff like in one post he basically says "I haven't read a lot of what's been posted, but want to see more posts so I can make better reads" Feeling fine with this lynch. | ||
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On March 29 2016 06:54 Superbia wrote: TT you've been lurking!? I've been reading and posting for the last 2 hours? | ||
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On March 29 2016 06:55 Damdred wrote: Why shouldn't I lynch you though Tt if your town you are going against wincon Nah, I've read the game and shared my thoughts. Not like you guys even have a case on me or anything, just attacking me kus I'm underwhelming. | ||
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Sorry to my team for playing like shit. Thought it was hilarious that everyone thought Koshi was scum kus I town read him too easily (I honestly just thought he was obv town). And then Jat and a few other people were convinced Kuri and I made some plan to play off a save on Koshi. Totally wrong premise, but you all reached the correct conclusion that Kuri was scum. Tbh I kinda think SL and Super played better than Mafia did. If shape hadn't started killing them off 3p prob would have won, maybe. | ||
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Tictock
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On April 16 2016 12:58 Alakaslam wrote: Ach sss! This is my fault hijole Not sure why you would say this because your slot got lynched in LyLo. Scott made a small mistake in kinda ignoring Damdred (though I can kinda understand with the "modconfirmed" status Damdred had) in LyLo, and that lead to Damdred WIFOM'ing himself. Shape also played fence-sitter fairly well. Though I suppose your shot was pretty scum sided. Seemed like you let OMGUS convince you to yolo shoot right away when you would have been better off holding off, or even bringing your shot into a public discussion (something simple like "If you could shoot someone right now, who would it be?"). Other than that I thought both you and Scott played the slot just fine. | ||
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On April 16 2016 07:33 Palmar wrote: Combat Medic: Essentially a medic who saves 1 kp at night. However if he makes a successful save he has to make a choice. Either he stays with his target, keeping him alive as long as he stays, or he leaves his patient to die. The idea is to make medic less punishing for mafia, similar to my reanimator role. Damdred saved JAT on n1, but got roleblocked n2, preventing him to stick with jat, causing jat to die. This is a pretty interesting role, probably my fav from this game. Doctor; The town investigative role. We thought given that there was no cop hate at all in the game (millers/godfathers) that every night cop role would be too strong. We considered an "even night cop", ie a cop that can only check on even nights, and the roleblock n1 -> check n2 idea came from that. I think it's a decent role, but a parity cop is probably a better slow cop role. Basically the guy picks a guy n1, roleblocks him that night, then gets a result at the end of n2 on that guys alignment. Vivax roleblocked Kurumi n1. Idk about this one, if only because the name is rather confusing when roles aren't known. It also sounds a little powerful, unless this was a one-shot type deal. Forensics Expert: Could have "confirmed" slam had he lived. Investigative role that knows the alignment of the killer of any player who is dead. Useful for detecting there is a 3rd party in the game and to confirm vigilante claims. Good low power role, I'm sort of okay with it, but not overly happy. Mixed feelings about this one. If used well it could be rather powerful and I could see this screwing over a fake claim pretty hard (or even a "legit" claim like Kuri's). I can see the value for town especially with 3p, but if I'm understanding it right this role provides a shit ton of info for town. Brood Mother/Tentacled Monster: So the idea here was to split up the normal SK role (which is bulletproof vigilante, essentially) into two roles. The advantage is that suddenly the SK is a faction, there's two people to plan and talk to and they have more combined pull in the thread. The disadvantage is that because the protection part of the SK faction is a jailer, it means that they can only either protect the SK faction leader (brood mother) OR they can shoot. They can't do both at the same time. If the Brood mother dies, the faction is eliminated. Thus if sicklucker would've died before superbia, superbia would have died with him. On the other hand, it's ok to lose the jailer, it just means the sk has no protection left and has lost his teammate. I sort of like this implementation of an SK, but I would advise against using it too much. In fact 3p should probably in general be used sparingly (I only use them in storm games generally). But I was pretty much okay with how they turned out this game. I agree with Palmar's assesment here, interesting implimentation of an SK. I've seen similar 2 player factions before, I forget the game but Mafia was like an Iron Don and a Medic (was that the game rayn tried to run?) @SL I don't think Shape had any choice but to start picking off you guys. He was solo and couldn't afford a random KP from you guys to hit him. Also pretty sure mafia and SK can't win together, though I suppose if you kept killing town it would have been good for him. ...wait you guys Killed rsoul N2 though. Yea you had to die (unless it was actually a backfire from her Engi thing). | ||
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Idk, just not my cup of tea I suppose. | ||
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On April 16 2016 13:34 sicklucker wrote: you brought up a random insult just to be mean. no one was remotely talking about my play this game like at all. I thought you played pretty well overall. Rayn does have a point that your claim should have told more people you were probably 3p though... Don't let his matter-of-fact style opinions get to you though, just rayn being rayn. Sorry I know nothing about 3p win rate, but tbh I think this was a rough game for every alignment. | ||
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