EPTTeam Melee Mini Mafia VI: Newbies and Vets
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Had not put much thought into that, but I think it's optimal to lynch the person we believe the most is mafia regarless of how their teamate is behaving. | ||
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On February 29 2016 10:23 qob wrote: tbh when i insulted the mod i forgot they were a mod. I don't think kita was being serious when he said you were modkilled =P | ||
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On February 29 2016 10:44 Koshi wrote: I have decided to not post in this thread but just post in our QT. Can you tell you partner then to tell us why you made that decision? | ||
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On March 01 2016 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I take "joke phase" on a player by player basis, and from my experience with him TT never ever jokes in the beginning as town, he always tryhards at the beginning. That's why I ignored it, because for TT from my experience, there's no such thing as a joke phase. Does TT ever joke in the begining as mafia? Because if it is a new behavior all together I would think it's more likely to come from town than from mafia. Sentinel's first post does sound a bit like not thought out generic filler as qop pointed out, but I'm not sure I should hold it against him since it was so early in the game. | ||
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Honestly the only poster that gave me bad vibes so far was shapelog. | ||
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Link? Can't find in database. | ||
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On March 01 2016 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote: They're the games in the archive man, I could link them but you could just as easily go look at the games yourself. Someone very old and sad put a lot of time into that thing, and you should really use it! I honestly can't find it. And I also want to see what you saw that you think is similar. | ||
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On March 01 2016 05:08 VisceraEyes wrote: [T] The New Personality Mafia Town geript Lynched Day 6 [M][T] Season of the Witch 2 Town Grandier Killed Night 3 [M][N] Haunted Mansion Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 4 [M][N] TL Mafia LXXIII: The Nutcracker Mafia Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 are the games I used. It's an excerpt from the TL Mafia Database under the heading "Ticktock" freely available for everyone to use. I did read these from the database, and the thread entrance of both his mafia games are not like this one. Unless I'm really tripping here, I don't really get where you got your meta from? | ||
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On March 01 2016 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much similar, as I pointed out, the mafia meta I looked up doesn't quite match. But that's not conclusive that he's not, I find the difference in attitude striking. Honestly VE, I think you just made up a meta read off thin air. You are very much aware that difference in meta does not equal mafia, unless it is in acordance to his usual mafia meta or it is a change in a mafia oriented way. | ||
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I'm not saying he isn't ever mafia in that situation, but I don't see a basis for you to pursue it as evidence pointing to scum. | ||
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On March 01 2016 05:23 VisceraEyes wrote: And at this point, I don't care! Someone present a better alternative or shut the fuck up! I'll be back later on to see what's happening. BYE!!! On March 01 2016 05:24 TheCow wrote: I do not understand the point of the philosophy being posted in this thread. It seems like filler discussion to me. Sential is sticking out to me. I am reading the slot as scum at this point. The current meta-ing occurring looks like a dead-end and I do not understand why it is still being pursued. How many games has Viscera played? Ask and you shall recieve. Cow just made it to my number one suspect based on this post alone. | ||
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On March 01 2016 05:28 VisceraEyes wrote: NOTHING HAS HAPPENED FOR ME TO REEVALUATE! THE ONLY THIN G THAT HAS HAPPENED HAS YOU AND SAND HAVE COME IN HERE AND SHIT ON MY READ, HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING FURTHER FOR MY READ TO FUCKING CHANGE! YOU'RE MAKING SHIT UP! VE I want to be friends. I'll pretend you admit that your read was shit and we can move on =). | ||
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On March 01 2016 05:44 TheCow wrote: #243-244 appears to be an attempt to discredit the attack against Sentinel -- his partner. Leveraging the style of qob as well as his newness to sidestep the read. How is that mafia behavior when he knows his own alignment? | ||
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On March 01 2016 05:47 TheCow wrote: Rels is almost definitely town. I assume you have played forum mafia before? Can you link me to some of your games? | ||
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I gather that Cow and qop played together a bit so Cow sheeping qop's sentinel read does not look as fake as I had thoght. Still, his overall tone looks more in line with his mafia game. | ||
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1) I asked setup related stuff to damdred: Very start of the game, nothing else to talk about, let's try to interact with someone while having nothing relevant to talk about besides setup. With Open setups dealing with claims and ccs is very relevant to any decent town player. 2) I admit that at the very start of the game I had not thought about something, then provide pretty good and unique perspective on the matter in my opinion. The conclusions he draws from this are very much distorted from what I actually said. 3) "Because mafia is trying to pretend they are town, while town isn't trying to pretend they are mafia. Oversimplified pehaps, but still should be a good guideline." This is factual, and the reason I believe that if we think one of the players in a team are very likely scum we lynch the team no matter how well his partner is playing. Trying to distort this into fitting a scum mindset mold is disingenous. Again the conclusions you draw from this have absolutely nothing to do with what was said. 4) TheCow mini analysis posted by me: If you simply read any of thecow's post you would conclude (based on lingo and assertiveness) that he has some forum mafia experience under his belt and isn't a clearly newbie player. I do use meta quite often, yes, and it has nothing to do with VE bad usage of meta that I dig up myself which you forgot to mention in your analysis. I guess the stuff you were not able to twist is not worth talking about, right? 5) Me trying to get a read off Damdred, who is partner with someone I'm suspicious of, is supposed to make me scum too huh? And regarding your question I did ignore it becuase I thought it was stupid, since obviously I got no read off damdred on the very begining and was only trying to get the game started. And about qob he is like the shinning beacon of towniness giving no shits about anything and saying what he pleases. Now regarding you I need to chill for a bit and decide what I think about this. I'm finding it hard to believe that you really believe what you are saying. | ||
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On March 02 2016 00:57 Felkyr wrote: I don't like this post at all. Even is Sandroba is mistaken about the point of TheCow's post, Sandroba's post was good and the pressure on TheCow is justified. So his reason to find Sandroba scummy is very weak in my opinion, but he does so regardless. It's just a bad reaction to being called out. However! He can read Qob and he feels town, so the slot must be town, right? But! Sandroba is still scummy, because of that one reaction post. He is trying to discredit Sandroba's post by calling it scummy, but at the same time doesn't dare to call him scum. Not a real defense and no progression either. Do you not agree that this post is bad? Why did you leave it out of your analysis? That's a great point by Felkyr and I believe the strongest evidence so far is against thecow. Sentinel/FF and VE/bum lack of content and activity is something to note as well. I honestly don't know what to make of TT and would like to leave him be for the moment. The rest of the players I think are town to varying degrees with koshi/felkyr being my top read. Let's lynch thecow. | ||
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On March 01 2016 22:30 marvellosity wrote: pretty sure your partner will end up townreading me, though. stay tuned  Besides there being no reason for scum reading marv I think this is pretty strong reason for town reading him. | ||
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On March 02 2016 01:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Actually thecow was referring to a specific discussion he didnt' think was useful when he talked about "philosophy": I don't know how you can know he was talking specifically about this, since that post by damdred wasn't particularly worthy of note and wasn't a subject talked about an apreciable amount at any point in the thread. But assuming he was, it is completely irrelevant to come in after 24 hours and leave a comment about something that happened in the very first page of the game. That openner was just atrocious and felt very much constructed. | ||
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I also don't understand why someone wouldn't think thecow is the absolute best vote for today by far. Some of the things being said here about other teams are fair, but none of it is as strong as the evidence against cow. All your hunches can wait, let's lynch the mafia first. | ||
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On March 02 2016 05:02 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Didn't you just meta shapelog about shitposting, or was that just a joke? Also you didn't answer my question right. The game is exactly how it is right now but you are scum. What team would you push to lynch? thecow/damdred? Kush why are you assuming constantly that damdred/cow are town? | ||
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On March 02 2016 05:16 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: his "scumslip" catch looks townie because it shows he is reading things closely and critically. that's it I think. Not going to argue, it may look a bit townie. But it does not cement someone as town, or is beyond what scum could reasonably do. Or are you saying damdred as scum wouldn't ever make a post like that? And you are saying you have no suspicion what so ever on cow's posting so far? | ||
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To sum it up for you my strongest evidence against cow is the constructed looking way he posts. His comments and reads are delivered like he is doing a chore as opposed to trying to look for mafia. The way he responds to people feels like he is telling them what he thinks they want to hear to get rid of them. His openning post does not look like a natural post a townie would make after reading the game. | ||
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What can I say, he is a rebel. | ||
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On March 01 2016 08:11 Tictock wrote: I kinda get your read on FF's team, but what about Marv's team is making you think they are scum? Also what do you think about Sandroba's read on you? And what does it suggest about his alignment? First one is in regards to your opening post. On March 01 2016 08:15 TheCow wrote: sandroba did not understand the point of my post and voted for me. qob feels town to me, and because I know how to read him, I am reading the slot as town. sandroba himself is scummy for reasons I implied earlier. | ||
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On March 02 2016 05:42 Damdred wrote: I've been reading while I do my chores around the house rip married life. A few more thoughts, 1) If kush is scum he has pocketed me so hard. I've developed the palmar syndrome I just can't help but ignore people who have started to town read me. * While I think my initial thought was clearly towny, I am not sure it deserves such a staunch defense especially since I've been afk. Call it a hedge if you want but I do like kush. 2) Koshi and Marv are both town I think its pretty obvious the activity the bad manners. It makes the game slightly easier that I can trust Marv and koshi I believe. 3) Sandriba/qob are town. I think the pointed posts and sand actually playing make that easy. 4) My most controversial read is I think that ve has a very high chance of flipping town. This is a tonal read, how he approached the game even if he is wrong. I do like him for town. Since I know I'm town Leaves me with tt, rels and ff. I think this is a good pie place to start with, honestly I think sent and ff should be the first lynch today. The activity and lack of anything I think shows to a scum mindset. I think rels group is the second, rels scum reads don't make a lot of sense to an extent and he's not being the prescrbse that I think he would generally be. Tt I likes several of his posts and his tone felt right to me early, Now any questions? Damdy I don't hate your reads. Can you be more specific as to why sent/FF should be the lynch? "The activity and lack of anything I think shows to a scum mindset." I don't think that shows a scum mindset in particular, that could be explained by many other factors. | ||
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Cow in the other hand the few posts he does have DO look like he is trying to save face. And damdy's posts do not convince me in the slightest he is town, on the contrary, it looks to me he is trying to say the things we want to hear (his thoughts on his reads are very superfical and his reasoning is very shallow) and go for the easy target FF. I really think we are making a mistake if we let this one slide, I don't think we can expect day 1 to get better than this. | ||
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On March 02 2016 08:14 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @sandroba what's your reasons for townreading sent? Mostly tone and the absence of reasons for reading him mafia. Must say I'm not 100% confortable with FF's posts. | ||
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If it is indeed the case you are blue I think is very likely TT is mafia. He was defending thecow with very shody reasoning, even though he just found out thecow answered a question he made him at the very beggining. In TT's mind cow was townie even though he never answered something he directly asked him and TT never bothered to follow up on it. After I pointed out the answer, which in my mind points towards scum, TT's response is "wut LOL answer still townie.". Smells of TMI. Not taking into account the wall of shit he posted earlier. | ||
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On March 02 2016 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Where did TT defend Cowthing? Did that happen? Basically filter him an you see he assumes cow is newbie townie in all of his posts. | ||
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Please explain to me the case on Rels. | ||
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On March 02 2016 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Basically it's OMGUS from me, he's accusing me of everything he's doing, only he's maliciously misrepresenting my actions in this game which is worse. He doesn't care about the lynch, he spent the entirety of today trying to get a lynch on me. I mean, obviously you don't know I'm town but I do. That he's wrong doesn't make him mafia. That he doesn't care if he's wrong or right is what I'm seeing, he's just pushing me to push me, and it doesn't matter what I say or do. But maybe it always feels that way to the guy getting pushed. I don't think that is unreasonable of him. You and bum are not exactly shitting town rainbows. If it was between your team and his I would vote your team all day tbh. | ||
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On March 02 2016 09:00 marvellosity wrote: This has all gone a bit wrong. Ff making me unsure if I was right not to vote him, but I can't really explain why. Otherwise um. Only got tt's weird sand read and I'm not sure that's enough Yep got the same feeling about FF =/ | ||
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On March 02 2016 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote: omg I missed this post. Between RELS team and mine? You'd lynch MY slot over RELS slot? Lord give me the strength.... I'll probably ask qob to do it for me. And I would look away. | ||
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On March 02 2016 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: How about everyone who's here posts the reason they are voting for the team they are voting for so there is at least some info pre-flip. Sentinel seemed more confident in rels' alignment than I was on top of the weird drunk post. From my persepctive of only having read the last 12 hours in 2 hours that team is the best shot. I'm lynching you for lack of a better option, like not being sure on team blahvacado and because qob wants to know if he is the boss. Also I get a weird feeling in some of your posts like you are gloating or something, dunno, just feels a bit mafia-y. I admit it's kinda random. | ||
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On March 02 2016 09:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: marv that is a cowardly vote. It's weird but he is possibly the only one voting scum today. | ||
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On March 02 2016 09:52 Fecalfeast wrote: ????????????????/// You don't think you're voting scum? Honestly I'm not sure. But between you and rels I'm voting you. Also I'm respecting my partner's wishes. | ||
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On March 02 2016 10:05 Fecalfeast wrote: People started switching from my team to damdred's team damdred claims he is blue people pressured him into fully claiming damdred claims jk I shit a rainbow so we needed a third wagon Last part is a stretch. Still got the feeling you are gloating scum =/. | ||
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On March 02 2016 11:01 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: at that point marv's vote wouldn't have mattered anyway. rels had 4, ff had 3. So marv's vote couldn't have affected who got lynched. Plus I get the feeling marv did it to appease his bf and make it seem like he valued his reads. Maybe. Thoughts? Especially on the first part of what I said. hmm the thing that kinda bothered with where marv left his vote is cus he said he was getting weird vibes from FF too, never said he liked the rels lynch, but the way he never vote FF team when it was 4 vs 3 it made sure that FF team could never be lynched if someone decided to switch at the last second. IF FF team is mafia that is hella suspsicious. Even if they aren't it doesn't sit quite right with me. I like those reads TT, if I assumed you were town that would be my PoE. | ||
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There is no comment whatsoever (or any analysis of team anal on VE's part) on the possibility of ever voting team ANAL. He simply goes directly to team cow -> considers voting TT for a split second -> vote Rels for no apparent reason. I know this is a bit of an associative read but I'm finding it hard to see a world where team ANAL is not mafia. | ||
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On March 03 2016 10:35 Tictock wrote: Why? I wasn't at all sure that Damdred was scum, had no idea if enough people were around to swap even if I was sure he was scum from the fakeclaim. Seemed far better to wait, look into the matter, and see what happened at the start of today. If Damdred was town fake claiming here, I was sure mafia would shoot him. In that case my jail on him would have given us 2 confirmed town today. That logic is retarded. If damdred is mafia and delivering the shot we would see the exact same result as if mafia shot him. And then you would say it's 2 "confirmed town". I find it hard to believe you put this little thought into your plan. | ||
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so it's more likely damdy is lying because he does not understand his own role. And TT is just a damn criminal for not comming foward with this info before. | ||
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On March 03 2016 10:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: So let me get this straight: 1. I'm scum and about to be lynched 2. To avoid this, I bus the shit out of my teammate 3. My teammate is now about to be lynched 4. To avoid this, he claims a role with a 25% chance of successfully avoiding CC 5. All of this works and JAT gets lynched instead I can't even read the thread correctly, there's no way we could pull off a Joker level maneuver like that. Point 2 is false You didn't bus the shit out of cownadow, you barely even said any reasons why they were scum. You like only vote them after they voted you. And the votes on each other by both teams were severely underexplained. If team cownadow flip mafia then points 3-5 are a given. So this does not seem far-fetched at all. If team cownadow is scum WHY would they try to pull a Rels lynch out of thin air instead of lynching your team? | ||
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On March 03 2016 11:14 Koshi wrote: Maybe we can consider just voting for the other mafia team? I don't think it matters. Just waste of time to kill Damdred tbh. I wouldn't mind asking the host to make this day 24h to speed up the process , but there is no way we are not lynching damdred today. | ||
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we lynch cow. if mafia TT is confirmed town and probably dies in the night. then we probably lynch team anal and team OMGUS in the order we deem apropriate. | ||
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On March 03 2016 11:25 Koshi wrote: lol. They are never mafia. I would vote you before them. Your confidence makes me confident we are going to win this then. | ||
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Err sorry got carried away tooting my own horn =P | ||
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On March 03 2016 12:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: LOL excellent why are you excited about this? do you agree with what he is saying? | ||
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OFC I didn't believe you wouldn't CC him instantly d1 and fucking wait to d2 to do it. If I was partner with damdred I would know there was a JK in the game and I would have fucking believe your claim instantly wouldn't I? Also I know it's good to be fucking right d1, but you were fucking wrong about me, and if you read my response you would see the thing you wrote was just terrible. I can't even believe we are having this discussion, until a few post I was sure you were just joking around. sigh | ||
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On March 03 2016 13:00 Tumblewood wrote: Unless you guys have an explanation that I missed really yo, don't waste your time reading team blahvacado. | ||
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On March 03 2016 13:01 Tictock wrote: Thisi s your paranoia getting you already Sand. They are just suprised that Damdred was infact mafia. Like you clearly were not despite not being sure on me a few hours ago... OFC I'm paranoid about team anal, because team cow went out of their way not to lynch them and lynch rels. And I said "I'm 99.9% sure TT is telling the truth", I wouldn't say I'm surprised team cow flipped mafia, but I was extatic to get confirmation I still am somewhat good at this game. | ||
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On March 03 2016 13:05 Tumblewood wrote: K nvm ignore everything I said because clearly there's no hope of identifying their alignment that's not it dude. they are the jail keeper that just cc'ed a dead mafia. | ||
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Yes, but that even fits tbh. I'm pretty sure when they claimed JK they thought there was a extremelly high chance they would get counter claimed and lynched. Now you ask: Why would a scummer employ such a high risk tactic when they had like 3 votes on them and 3 hours to argue themselves out of the hole? The easiest explanation and the only one I can find that fits the whole picture: Because their partner was the second wagon up for lynch. Using a suicide tactic in this situation would be win-win, because in the worst case scenario would be the status quo. Throwing their vote on their partner in this situation is the most sensible thing to do, for distancing and giving them the best chance of winning the game after they get lynched. After typing all this out I'm pretty certain Team ANAL is the last mafia. It also explains why I kept getting the feeling FF was gloating the whole time, it was because they had escape a double mafia lynch intact. It all makes sense. Who's your daddy? | ||
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Anyway I've been thinking and I found another theory that explains the Rels lynch shenanigans, pehaps better than the other one. If VE/bum is cownadow's partner, then it would make sense that after damdy's gambit payed off he would leverage his "confirmed" status to get rid of Rels, because he was the main threat against VE at that point and it wasn't looking like he would ever let go. Also the fact that Rels was afk drunk made it an easy thing to do. Also that would also explain why marvelocity got killed, because even after arguing with VE for 2 pages he wouldn't let him off the hook. The only thing that this fails to explain is why damdred/cow gave up and went with the claim plan so early. One possible explanation is that cow was gone and damdred got flustered by the bad start and just decided to suicide with added value of unearthing a blue. That would kinda make sense because after he miraculously got away with his claim he didn't actually tried to abuse his position at all during the night, meaning he was ready to give up and stop playing the game. All of this coupled with the very weird reasoning and voting by VE eod 1 question by marv, the refusal to play the game by his partner bum, the busted meta case on TT on the begging of the game makes team OMGUS pehaps even a better inicial lynch than team ANAL. | ||
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Of course no mafia is going to PLAN to fake claim in an OPEN setup day 1. That's just absurd. If I was mafia and indeed planing such a suicidal stupid move the last thing I would do would be talking about it in advance to make it even more stupid. So I hope this settles that. Second If you do a little meta on me I'm not a very good scum player, I don't enjoy playing scum and the last thing I would ever do is to FUCKING PURPOSELY BUS MY ONLY TEAMATE OUT OF THE BLUE, with like 0 suspicion on him, to set me up for a drawn out game that would keep me alive having to make shit up as I go for numerous days. Like that's something I would never fucking do ever, even if it was smart, which it's definitely not. Third, yes I was fucking convinced all day 1 that fucking post cow made was like 99% mafia and I was pushing it hard and convincingly, despite only a few people listening to me, until damdred's claim and the absence of a cc fucked me over and made me reconsider everything. You can notice that I was a bit disoriented and clueless after I thought damdred/cow were cleared. So when you come in late you bet I was looking forward for a CC so shit starts making sense to me again. Comentary with marv during the night only serves to prove that and because he is a very good player he even agrees with me that everything would make more sense if damdred was mafia. Now comes day 2, in my head it's like the only possibility damdred is ever fake is that there is a lonely parity cop out there that believes he is in the other setup and damdred lucked out big time. I would NEVER have considered the possibilty that some fucker refused to counter claim damdred day1, since the only person that wasn't around at the deadline was Rels, who flipped VT. So the only possibility for me that damdred was mafia was solo PC + amazing luck out, which honestly was looking very slim. Also you didn't start off the day by saying FUCKING BUSTED DAMDRED SCUM I'M JK MOTHERFUCKERS. You slowly built up to your claim, and if you remember I was already suspicious of you because of the wall of shit you posted on me day 1. The thing that ended up convincing me was that I had this idea (due to marv sugesting it mostly) that JK could work offensively, but you knew exactly how it worked, while damdred didn't. Also damdred just took off and dissapeared while you kept on posting shit so later it was easy to realise you were telling the truth. Your last tidbit that I'll quote: "This is flailing at best, I mean he's agreeing with a post UN made, to conclude that UN is scum? This story also makes 0 sense, because Damdred's claim would MOST likely cause the wagon on Anal Prolapse to grow, and there is no way that Damdred would survive the game after fakeclaiming. This also TOTALLY ignores that Damdred suggested lynching FF in his EoN post. It makes 0 sense for FF and Damfred to be a team, but Sand is trying to scramble kus of my push." What Sentinel said is a fact. Apparently if someone states that fact it can no longer be used to create an hypothesis about said person being scum. What you said in the second phrase was exactly my point. There is no way damdred would survive much longer or at all after fakeclaiming, so it stands to reason that he can't let his teamate be lynched in his stead can he? And you are saying it's nonsensical that scum would choose to distance bus their teamate in such a precarious position? Honestly I'm starting to think it's more plausible that it's VE/bum (check above post if you didn't already), but the theory I presented earlier makes total sense, heck, even Sentinel admited it did. | ||
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On March 01 2016 22:46 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: damdred/thecow thecow is being tight-lipped for the most part. I checked this out: He's talking about these quotes: I think it's a smart way to describe what FF is doing. As for damdred, he's reading the thread closely so that gives him townpoints. Verdict: town enough Evidence numero uno. THAT SHIT IS GOLDEN. "smart way to describe what FF is doing" when FF is being snarky defending himself. And "Veridict: town enough". Mind you this was trying to discredit part of my case while not adressing the other points, and giving the veredict: townie enough. I'm going to dive deeper, but I feel we found our man. | ||
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On March 01 2016 22:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @SENT what is he hiding? Just the fact that he's scum or something more to this? On March 01 2016 22:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: but that thing that he is hiding would be his alignment? On March 01 2016 10:43 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Spikasaur do you have any suspicions? Or do you not know what to think about anything? I'm not being sarcastic or anything with my second question btw. I'm just curious on your thoughts while marv is away. On March 01 2016 11:08 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I don't want to bring down the full wrath of xXxSHAPEMASTA420xXx upon VE yet. As for Rels, do you know what he looks like as scum? He is uncommonly good, I hear. | ||
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Later when asked to vote on one of his suspects (by koshi, on marv) he says : Why? he is only one of 3 shit reads. Only real read he give is that cow is town. And his reason for voting FF On March 01 2016 23:08 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Team xXxSHAPEMASTA420xXx is officially giving their support to the Sent/FF wagon. ##vote Team Anal Prolapse -I liked thecow's point against FF -Sent focused too much on his 1 lurker/1 active point -focusing on things that he should know are inconsequential: -I find the reasoning in this omgus really weak, especially the part about FF: -what is this? an accusation? fucking liked cow's point against FF. For reals? Cow said one inconsequential thing and he liked that? That's a tough one to swallow. Also notice that d1 he went totally out of his way to explain cow's post and how there was nothing wrong. Multiple times, even before cow had a chance to say something. And somehow kush KNEW what cow meant by philosophy, even though cow never explained it, and suposedly it was something from the very begging of the game no one was talking about. | ||
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On March 03 2016 20:21 VisceraEyes wrote: When does D3 start? in 13 and 1/2 hours | ||
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On March 01 2016 02:10 Fecalfeast wrote: qob is new but trying hard to throw scum on my partner because he was aggresive and voted me. Wowie On March 01 2016 02:11 Fecalfeast wrote: I like that you're trying qob but you're off to a bad start These are the posts in question that TheCow was refering too, that kush found "smart" and "townie enough". @shapelog I know kush didn't town read FF, the veredic town I was talking about was refering to Qob. My point is his veredict is out of place and a ridiculous conclusion, he ignores most of my case on TheCow and says this piece. If you look at what FF did he did nothing of what Cow said, FF actually pointed out that Qob was making a mistake going after them for that reason and he liked his agression, but he should look into other people. Tha's how FF's post should be interpreted, not what TheCow said. And kush saying that that makes TheCow townie enough and it's smart and makes FF look scummy is completely bizarre. He goes for with this terrible explanation to vote on the wagon building against TheCow's wagon! He even tries to undermine my case on TheCow further by saying I wasn't understanding part of TheCow's post and THAT is why I thought it was scummy. But HE knew what TheCow was talking about with the "philisophy" line, somehow, without thecow ever explaining it, and went out of his way to defend thecow based on his explanation without thecow ever confirming it. It is very clear that kush has an agenda here and is hiding something. The man is mafia. | ||
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On March 04 2016 03:03 Koshi wrote: the nk happened and I instatnly posted "this nk suggests sandroba in our QT" that's because you have been sucking balls so far koshi. you were like MARV SCUM!!!!11!!!. w/e other reads you had were dead wrong, you never voted on the fucking excelent case on mafia I made d1, etc. You are saying KUSH IS TOWN 100%. You are just OFF this game man. And I am fucking confident you are town. So just take a step back and read the fucking things I'm saying. | ||
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On March 04 2016 03:03 Koshi wrote: I also think sandroba really respects marv and a lot of the interactions between qob/marv and the nk suggests that. That's rididculous. Every fucking team here respects marv and would kill him n1. Marv was town reading me 100% and was like thinking exactly as me and was supporting me on every opportunity going along with the things I was pushing. If anything I'm one of the teams that has very little reason for wanting him dead. | ||
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On March 04 2016 03:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Sandroba..that philisophy point, if i'm scum how do you see that going down? In the QT: me-yo thecow what were you talking about with that philisophy bit? cow-oh i was talking about post number whatever me-cool now ill use that in my defense of you ?? You are scum. I suppose what you did is assume thecow was talking about w/e and just jumped to his defense. What matters here is not how it happened in the scum QT, it's that you were NOT INTERESTED to know his explanation for it, jumped to w/e conclusion you saw fit and defended him for it. YOU IGNORED ALL MY POINTS ON HIM AND FUCKING TR HIM. I can see a person like not finding my case 100% danming and maybe the dude is just new, but to fucking TOWN READ him base on the couple post he made is simply unfathomable. It does not compute. Thus, you must have been pushing an agenda. The dude posted 4 posts, fucked off and you insisted on defending him at MULTIPLE OCASIONS. You weren't even like "yeah cow, what's up with this post, can you explain some shit or post some more?" NOPE. INSTANT TR. Have a nice day cow you townie, don't need to post anymore. | ||
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On March 02 2016 00:57 Felkyr wrote: You say Damdred has made decent posts, but his one post that was actually trying to do something you called out as a scum-slip: Can you elaborate more on your Damdred read (which posts do you think were good?) cause I have difficulty reading him. Also, you said you like TheCows post: But you missed his other post significant post: I don't like this post at all. Even is Sandroba is mistaken about the point of TheCow's post, Sandroba's post was good and the pressure on TheCow is justified. So his reason to find Sandroba scummy is very weak in my opinion, but he does so regardless. It's just a bad reaction to being called out. However! He can read Qob and he feels town, so the slot must be town, right? But! Sandroba is still scummy, because of that one reaction post. He is trying to discredit Sandroba's post by calling it scummy, but at the same time doesn't dare to call him scum. Not a real defense and no progression either. Do you not agree that this post is bad? Why did you leave it out of your analysis? Reading through the game again and your other your partner is making a lot of sense koshi. Look at this post by him. He is questioning kush on exactly the BS I'm trying to point out. | ||
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On March 02 2016 01:15 Felkyr wrote: I think Sandroba understood TheCows post very well and I fail to see why TheCow would think otherwise. Sure, maybe Sandroba's conclusion about him being scum is incorrect but that's just early pushing. I feel like TheCow's overall reaction and mindset is more likely to come from mafia than town, regardless of the contradiction in the post itself. On March 02 2016 01:21 Felkyr wrote: That's not the same... I think he very well understood what TheCow was saying, he just dismisses it as being crap. Still doesn't change the nature of TheCow's reaction though. On March 02 2016 01:27 Felkyr wrote: How do you come to that conclusion? I don't think that is true. But even if it is true, again, it doesn't change anything about TheCow's reaction. That was only one part of Sandroba's post. Why are you defending TheCow like this? Again your partner showing who is boss. This line of questioning happened and kush never gave a reasonable explanation for it. | ||
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On March 04 2016 03:43 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: read in reverse: + Show Spoiler + kush 03-01-2016 11:40 AM ET (US) but i do that a lot when im town 74Shapelog 03-01-2016 11:38 AM ET (US) /m73 that is what i thought at 1st, but then he contradictions himself about fixing it. It also would be nice if he had explain them instead of going. They are scum, Now they are, No maybe they are. No I am back to think they are. 73kush 03-01-2016 11:36 AM ET (US) that's why he has too many scum reads, because ha has scumread everyone except rels. Having too many scumreads is a townie trait I think. You look at your reads and you have too many scumreads so you're like, "hmm im doing it wrong" and you reassess. 72Shapelog 03-01-2016 11:34 AM ET (US) /m71 it just does not make sense that he does not want too many scum reads, but has practically scum read everyone in his posts expect Rels. :/ 71kush 03-01-2016 11:28 AM ET (US) his read progression looks like mine. have a list one hour and have a totally different one the next. 70kush 03-01-2016 11:28 AM ET (US) whys that scummy 69Shapelog 03-01-2016 11:28 AM ET (US) Idk what to think of that team. Damdred I want to TR TheCow i want to Scum Read. 68Shapelog 03-01-2016 11:17 AM ET (US) Another point of the cow, He had a lot of postings about scum reads and left the thread to revised them due to having to many. I fail to see how that proves anything. You can easily keep up a fake QT throghout the game pretending you are talking about shit. And why shapelog does not show his concerns about cow on the thread? You can see that pretty much every other team have people disagreeing with each others' reads all the time and voicing their concern independently in the thread. why does shapelog never comments on my case on cow then, if he was thinking he was scummy? | ||
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On March 04 2016 06:42 Tictock wrote: Shortest, sweetest way I can try to make my point. Probably my last post. Sand was certain that there was a cop out there and trying to get them to claim so he could lynch Damdred. Only reason Town would even think of talking about a cop at that point is if they were one, and they would NEVER say that a cop claiming is grounds to reexamine Damdreds claim, kus it's totally possible town has both. Sand knew town did not kus he knew Damdred's claim was fake, thats why he kept talking about a cop. Mafia at this point in the game were dead sure that a Cop was the only role town could possibly have. The fucking capitalized IF for sure demonstrates certainty. | ||
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On March 04 2016 08:49 Koshi wrote: qob. I am 100% voting you guys tomorrow btw. Too many reasons why you 2 are mafia. koshi I want to hear you explain why I'm mafia. | ||
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On March 04 2016 12:23 Koshi wrote: Sure. But it's not that. It's about how you didn't touch VE at all and just went for Kush. I wrote I thought it was him right before he brought up kush again. I right before that I thought it was sent. For sure I'm jumping around like crazy, but that's just how my head works. And if kush hadn't got himself modkilled I'm sure we would have sorted it out eventually. | ||
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On March 04 2016 12:26 Koshi wrote: I think it is you. The only way I wont pressure Felkyr into voting you is when you can give us reasonable doubt it is VE. Maybe something with Rels his read and VE his opportunistic vote to get rid of Rels. That vote kinda bothers me. wtf? you were thinking it was VE yourself. How is me pressuring people and trying to firgure out the game suddenly makes me mafia? What about everything else I've done this game? Try fitting that into a mafia perspective. I'm really trying hard to understand why you are not just fucking reading my filter and realising there is no way in hell I'm mafia. | ||
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On March 04 2016 12:26 Koshi wrote: I think it is you. The only way I wont pressure Felkyr into voting you is when you can give us reasonable doubt it is VE. Maybe something with Rels his read and VE his opportunistic vote to get rid of Rels. That vote kinda bothers me. Honestly I'm not discarding the possibility it's you. That's why I want us to no lynch today, because at this point I'm not 100% town on anyone. | ||
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On March 04 2016 12:26 Koshi wrote: I think it is you. The only way I wont pressure Felkyr into voting you is when you can give us reasonable doubt it is VE. Maybe something with Rels his read and VE his opportunistic vote to get rid of Rels. That vote kinda bothers me. If you are town you should be concerned with that yourself, since I'm not the only one losing if everyone decides to lynch me. | ||
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On March 04 2016 12:38 Koshi wrote: You have been pleading to me the last 500 posts and now you type "if you are town" unfortunately I find myself in this position where i have to plead people not to lynch the most obvious town there ever was. | ||
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On March 04 2016 12:34 Felkyr wrote: Sandroba can you tell me who you would lynch right now? Rereading the game I don't think FF's team can be mafia because cow, who I don't believe was bussing at that point, said he was suspicious of them. As much as they are not playing the game as I think that is the hardest evidence pointing to someone's innocence. So right now I'm thinking it's VE, but I want to hear what he has to say. As I said I'm not discounting the possibility it is you team. As I recollect your team never voted team cownadow day1 and the town tell I had on you for pushing what I said about cow, you used it to pressure kush, which is understandable, but now we know he was town. You never actually went after cow and never voted for him d1, despite saying that you thought my post had merit. On the contrary koshi pushed a ton of people who were not cow d1. I did and I do have a town read on you guys, but at this point I have things that point to town on all teams remaining, so someone must be doing a good job. So that's my position as of now. | ||
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On March 04 2016 13:14 Felkyr wrote: Koshi is town. If anything, he is more town than you because Qob has been useless and I haven't been (allegedly). You should tell Qob to be more active. Koshi has coached me very well which is why he hasn't been in thread as much. I would only consider that to be true if you are mafia. Then hats off to him. | ||
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On March 04 2016 13:15 Koshi wrote: Page 1-85. Sandroba/cob never said anything about Koshi being mafia ever. I am going to assume they had reasons for this read. Reasons they deducted from the thread. Page 86. Koshi is actually possibly mafia. Because in the previous 85 pages they never found 1 reason why he is town. You said all game I was town. suddenly marv dies and you are like hur dur sandroba mafia. TT goes like yes yes hur dur sandroba mafia. then I have to keep fucking arguing against this moronic idea and can't seem to trust anyone. So yes I prefer to believe you are mafia and playing well, than you are an obnoxious townie who is dead wrong at every chance he gets. | ||
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On March 04 2016 13:17 Felkyr wrote: Sandroba's reaction to all pushes this game has been extremely bad. Like, he is saying he is trying to solve the game but refused to accept anyone else is? Such childish behavior. He actually got someone modules with his pushing, lol. But then when somebody pushes him town can lose? Doesn't sound like town to me. I didn't get nobody modkilled. People who posted something who they were specifically told by the host not to post got modkilled. It's not childish behavior. I care about this game and I want to win and when I see people throwing it away it pisses me off, because this is not a solo game and I depend on them. I get that you may not like my personality or the way I play this game, but to have read my filter, the effort I put in and say I'm mafia is completely absurd. | ||
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right about someone being town is like 7/9 chance. didn't you fucking lynch Rels of all people d1? I guess you must have something against people playing the game and making sense. | ||
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On March 04 2016 13:25 Felkyr wrote: Sandroba, at the beginning of night two you were convinced FF was mafia. Now you think it is VE. Nothing had changed in that time; they haven't been here. Why has your read changed? If you would explain these kind of points so that the newbies here can understand it, we would be happy. Unlike you I have been reading this fucking game over and over, because I'm not sure who the mafia is. So despite nothing happening in the thread I read the game again and try to look at it differently to see if some other hypothesis makes more sense than the previous one. There were 2 teams doind absolutely jack shit (VE and FF) and 2 teams who both went against cow's lynch (you and kushmasta). Like none of you pushed the dead mafia. Only people who did this were me and marv, and to a lesser extent FF's team right before team cow claim. So the game is not as easy as it seems. Ironically the only team who is supposed to be confirmed town in all this situation FROM TRYING TO GET MAFIA KILLED is now the main consideration for being lynched, so pardon me for being pissed off. Like I shouldn't need to fucking explain myself at every corner. The notion that you guys are comming after me is simply astounding. | ||
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On March 03 2016 13:15 sandroba wrote: Yes, but that even fits tbh. I'm pretty sure when they claimed JK they thought there was a extremelly high chance they would get counter claimed and lynched. Now you ask: Why would a scummer employ such a high risk tactic when they had like 3 votes on them and 3 hours to argue themselves out of the hole? The easiest explanation and the only one I can find that fits the whole picture: Because their partner was the second wagon up for lynch. Using a suicide tactic in this situation would be win-win, because in the worst case scenario would be the status quo. Throwing their vote on their partner in this situation is the most sensible thing to do, for distancing and giving them the best chance of winning the game after they get lynched. After typing all this out I'm pretty certain Team ANAL is the last mafia. It also explains why I kept getting the feeling FF was gloating the whole time, it was because they had escape a double mafia lynch intact. It all makes sense. Who's your daddy? On March 03 2016 18:45 sandroba wrote: I guess TT's strategy is trying to dodge a bullet by saying the dumbest shit ever. The funny thing is in your own TLDR, which is the one I read, none of your bullet points actually point to me being scum. Anyway I've been thinking and I found another theory that explains the Rels lynch shenanigans, pehaps better than the other one. If VE/bum is cownadow's partner, then it would make sense that after damdy's gambit payed off he would leverage his "confirmed" status to get rid of Rels, because he was the main threat against VE at that point and it wasn't looking like he would ever let go. Also the fact that Rels was afk drunk made it an easy thing to do. Also that would also explain why marvelocity got killed, because even after arguing with VE for 2 pages he wouldn't let him off the hook. The only thing that this fails to explain is why damdred/cow gave up and went with the claim plan so early. One possible explanation is that cow was gone and damdred got flustered by the bad start and just decided to suicide with added value of unearthing a blue. That would kinda make sense because after he miraculously got away with his claim he didn't actually tried to abuse his position at all during the night, meaning he was ready to give up and stop playing the game. All of this coupled with the very weird reasoning and voting by VE eod 1 question by marv, the refusal to play the game by his partner bum, the busted meta case on TT on the begging of the game makes team OMGUS pehaps even a better inicial lynch than team ANAL. Those were the 2 relevant theories I thought about those teams being scum. Multiple things kind of clear FF though. Damdred/cow went after him from the get go. When damdred came back to the thread he again tried to push the lynch onto FF's team. It was only after he realised me + marv were not buying his thing and were not going to let go of him that he claimed. So his first plan was to try to lynch FF's team which really points to FF's team being town. | ||
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On March 04 2016 13:39 Felkyr wrote: Again, then tell us who we should vote instead. Also, FYI we've always had a scum lean on Dam/TheCow. You have quoted several of my posts in your cases against them. My vote on Dam is probably what made him fakeclaim. And I am rereading the game continuously, so please be not as obnoxious. You're not as town to us as you think. Deal with it. Sorry for taking out on you. | ||
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The logic says FF/Sent are unlikely mafia, but their behavior does not. FF only ever posts anything when his ass is on the line. He just went and agreed with some case on my team, saying that qob is rash thus mafia, without even comenting on me who has been posting non stop this game and should have made my alignment very clear. Now that he sees the tides are turning Sent just pops in saying they are willing to reconsider and probably vote for VE. I don't get the same townie tone I get form VE at all when I read FF's posts. Considering you guys think it's possible somehow for me to have bussed damdred in the way it happened day 1, it should be even easier for mafia to do what Damdred and FF/Sent did to each other. I've commented on how fake sounding and shallow were the explanations they gave for voting each other and that's likely mafia's ultimate sin: when they bus they are a bit afraid of exposing their partner true colors for everyone to read. I'll go with my gut on this one and change my vote to team anal. | ||
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On March 05 2016 04:28 Felkyr wrote: Nice summary/rephrasing of my post. =D Dunno if you will believe me, but I didn't even read your post. | ||
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On March 07 2016 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I like how two people got modkilled for inappropriate actions, yet I'M the one who feels like I cheated to win even though I brought motherfucking sandroba with me to MYLO and won fair and square. The level of salt for this level of game is disproportionate. You played well, you did enough so that you were a cut above other inactive people, but that mylo came in earlier than it should have under normal circumstances. If anyone should be proud of this victory is you I guess, the rest of the scum team and most of the town including myself played subpar. I think it's fair to be a bit salty over this =P, I don't think the salt is as much as you imply. | ||
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