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On February 28 2016 05:24 darthfoley wrote: Vote Rels if you want town to be up 2:0 brethren What happened to this ? On February 27 2016 11:06 darthfoley wrote: It's not fucking me. For people with more experience with town!Rels, I know this is not gonna hold completely true because of the theme to this game, but is he known for tunneling and clearing people based off of the type of stuff he's cleared LS? I'm gonna look into the way LS played in Star Wars once he replaced Onegu, but if I recall he was much more involved in clearing himself/finding scum. Will read his filter for that game "It could be LS scum actually, especially if Rels is known for this" On February 28 2016 05:14 Damdred wrote: Rels is known for it to some degree yes. Before Rels case who were you going to try to vote/case? Confirmation I am known for this. ??? | ||
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On February 28 2016 05:26 Shapelog wrote: post was made after 50/50. breshke post was b/4 50/50 IIRC, why did Rels not comment on it when it was posted and instead commented on it after the 50/50? I did. On February 25 2016 00:15 Rels wrote: He still didn't post relevant stuff unless being up for lynch though. His N0 posts are useless. His posts start of D1 are OK. Mm actually it's weird that he is looking through FF's past scum games to check the difference, and not VA who is more likely scum in his mind. | ||
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DF has spent the majority of this game defending himself. He became set on me after I've cased him, then went "maybe Rels is tunneled town and it's LS" when he thought he would have a better chance against LS, now he's 100% me it's me again. He's been 100% reactive today. Furthermore, I've been pushing Breshke from the beginning. This is NOT how I scum because losing your partner D1 is not how you win game as scum, ESPECIALLY in this setup when I'm out of the game anyway in 1 hour. | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:12 darthfoley wrote: i've already explained scenarios you bus your partner d1 if you're smart scum. stop saying that Of course you did, you want to prove I'm not town. STFU | ||
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On February 27 2016 11:06 darthfoley wrote: It's not fucking me. For people with more experience with town!Rels, I know this is not gonna hold completely true because of the theme to this game, but is he known for tunneling and clearing people based off of the type of stuff he's cleared LS? I'm gonna look into the way LS played in Star Wars once he replaced Onegu, but if I recall he was much more involved in clearing himself/finding scum. Will read his filter for that game Not 100% sure I'm scum anymore + gonna look iknto LS Star Wars filter On February 27 2016 13:21 darthfoley wrote: Idk, considering I need Rels to confirm what he meant. I wanna know what meant Rels by aggressive. I can't answer that until Rels does Waiting for confirm something After that, I confirmed this and Damdred c onfirmed I could tunnel as town But now he is back on me being 100% scum. He has NO reason to scumread me EXCEPT MY CASE ON HIM. This is the definition of OMGUS. | ||
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I don't awnt to be lynched again thoiugh. Fuck that | ||
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DF has no read on me except OMGUS. Fuck I'm not gopnna retype it actually, fucking reread it. On February 26 2016 22:30 Rels wrote: DF is scum and you should vote him 1. His townread on Breshke was bad His townread on Breshke was based on two reasons. First: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2016 16:05 darthfoley wrote: I know Breshke hasn't posted much but I liked this post of his Why would mafia not want an AFK party near the end? Also, didn't particularly like Kush's response While that's true, you're kinda just kicking the can down the road if you want to keep AFK people in longer. Wouldn't town benefit longer from having many active players left in longer? On February 24 2016 10:39 darthfoley wrote: I don't think any of these posts are bad, and they give me a towny vibe from Breshke. You don't have to be running for mayor to care about cell order. This sounds like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective. Breshke posted a few questions at the very beginning of the game. These questions were completely NAI if taken alone, and scum indicative as a whole as it's the only thing Breshke had done N0. DF townreading Breshke for this reason does not make sense: this read is fabricated. Second reason: + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote: VA I've never said that i'm set in my scum read of you. But when 8/15 people have already voted for Breshke, and there are 5/15 mafia in the game, I don't like the optics. To switch gears a bit, your post implies that you can't be convinced that LS is mafia, why? Too many people voted Breshke in a row, so Breshke has to be town. Well, first this number is wrong: 6 people voted in a row when DF made this post. This migth mean nothing but it's way less extreme than DF made it out to be. Secondly, he had kinda the same reaction to Palmar being lynched D1 in Star Wars; and Palmar flipped scum. He should have learned that several people piling on a guy doesn't m ean the guy is town. This looks like he used his star wars game town meta to create an excuse to townread Breshke. 2. His reaction to my VA read is not understandable DF is suspicious of me because of my "bad VA town read". But he's saying at the same time VA could be town. Vivax pressured him on that since why would I invent a reason to townread VA just to have an excuse to shit on my partner Breshke. His answer: He dodges the question and says "Rels could be town actually". No explanation as to why he thought my VA read made me scum. Later and even now he continues to be suspicious about me with the vague reason that I "did scummy stuff". Since he agreed I could be town and he just misunderstood my words on VA, I have no idea what "scummy stuff" he is talking about now. 3. He's making the difference between my VA read and ritoky's VA read when it's the same ritoky and I had the same read with different words on VA. It doesn't make sense that he townreads ritoky for it and scurmeads me in the same time. These reads are fabricated. 4. He's spending a lot of time self metaing to prove his townieness He's actually spending more time defending himself than doing anything else, especially lately. Here is a compilation of posts: + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 04:53 darthfoley wrote: I find it ironic that i'm playing pretty much EXACTLY how I played Star Wars D1 last game and was universally (correctly) town read for it, but here all of a sudden everyone scum reads me. I was sort of a devil's advocate in Star Wars because I really didn't like the way the Palmar wagon was shaping up. It was basically one wagon with no alternative and everyone was jumping on; I feel similarly regarding Breshke and VA right now. Everyone scum reading the same person, especially in a game with 5!!!! scum, makes me suuuuper uneasy. @Shapelog Meta reading me in Newbie vs. this game is completely different. This is themed, and I'm playing with much better and more experienced players. I am playing a similar game compared to Star Wars: I am willing to sheep people who are better at the game and I have read town, but I am also willing to point out logical inconsistencies and uneasy wagons when I see them. Maybe Breshke is scum who has just gone AFK or whatever and people are trying to jump on him and get town cred, but it makes no sense for scum!darthfoley to be the only one willing to defend/challenge conventional wisdom. On February 25 2016 05:01 darthfoley wrote: Okay, let's accept your premise that breshke is 100% scum. Why does my defense of him make me scum? You literally played with me last game and I did the same thing with Palmar when I was town. Not seeing why you are so attached with this being alignment indicative On February 25 2016 05:26 darthfoley wrote: well i think i've explained why I think things relatively thoroughly so far. Do you want clarification on something? Also @VA, people weren't really scum reading me in a serious way until I started to defend Breshke. From a mafia POV, what's the point of sticking your neck out for a cell that is almost certainly going to get 50/50'd if your scum partner is the heavily scum read person in it? Does this game remind you at all of my scum play in Unoriginal? I'd say it's about as different as you could be. On February 25 2016 17:09 darthfoley wrote: Yea exactly. I'm just gonna stop overthinking things in the future if Breshke is flips obvious mafia kinda like palmar in the Star Wars game lol On February 25 2016 18:30 darthfoley wrote: this is actually so annoying and i'm going to be quite peeved when either of the confirmed town LS or Rels comes back as mafia and we lose the cell. Rels I accidentally looked at the mayor count vote instead of the VA/Breshke vote. My point is still valid and idk why accidentally writing 8 instead of 6 makes me confirmed scum. I later explained my logic after that post Rels. I really don't know why you guys think I would choose my hill to die on D1 defending my completely afk scum teammate when I could just bus him for town points like probably the rest of mafia are doing right now. i t m a k e s n o s e n s e On February 25 2016 18:36 darthfoley wrote: Yes. It is similar to my Star Wars game D1 regarding Palmar/Zyrre. Granted I was wrong in that game, but I really don't like when someone goes AFK and all of a sudden EVERYONE is scum reading that person, ESPECIALLY with the other person (VA) not doing anything imo to warrant the town reads he is getting On February 26 2016 04:40 darthfoley wrote: Yea i'm frustrated. Because I spent half of my cycle wasting my breath defending someone who has turned out to be mega obvious mafia, while getting almost universally wrongly scum read for it. It's great if we successfully used our 50/50 and go up 1:0, but town would be in an amazing decision if we go up 2:0 after my cell and if I can't change people's minds, that won't happen. Can't remember who said it, but I endorse using the audience power for my group too unless there's some obvious reason i'm missing. Going up 2:0 should basically ensure a town win. On February 26 2016 06:56 darthfoley wrote: Just wanna say that the theory that i'm scum is: Breshke is read scum by people Everyone knows Ritoky will likely use 50/50 on the cell I decide to go super out of my way to reverse buss Breshke while my three other mafia teammates buss him I put a huge target on my back Breshke goes AFK Everyone scum reads me Breshke gets killed, town up 1:0 I get killed, town up 2:0 like this is really unlikely and super super dumb mafia play On February 26 2016 09:38 darthfoley wrote: I will filter dive Rels and LS. I'm more than willing to answer people's questions. As you said, i'm in a tough spot because people are meta town reading my cellmates, making me PoE mafia instead of actually having a mafia read on me which is rather annoying. At least that's the vibe i've gotten from everyone not in my cell. Even LS is PoE mafia me! Either way, Rels or LS is aware of their town meta and are exploiting it to great use so far. From what a few players were saying early game, I tend to think Rels is the more likely candidate to be able to emulate town play as scum-- at least that's what someone said early on who had experience with scum!Rels. My biggest defense right now is that if i'm mafia I've played a terribly stupid game. Now that might be believable in a regular mafia game, but there are other 4 mafia members who didn't tell me to cut it out early on. The smart mafia TEAM move is to buss Breshke, win cell 2 and consolidate from there. No way mafia sticks their neck out for a completely AFK Breshke. Think that was proven by Breshke not providing any information in the last 24h for town to decipher. I ask Kush, Shapelog or anyone who saw my scum or town play; does it really feel like i'm playing as mafia right now? Or are you just PoE stratting right now? I've been way more engaged, posted my thoughts-- even if they're unpopular-- and cared more than in my scum game in which I just went with whatever was hip and cool at the time. Anyways I realize this isn't enough, so I will accompany it with cell reads later. I have confidence that we can win this cell and I won't give up until the end of the day On February 26 2016 09:45 darthfoley wrote: That's fair. But no one has yet to "get" me on what my supposed endgame as mafia is from my D1 play. Kuragari and I with a bit of Vivax were the only ones who were skeptical of VA, and they are both in later cells. Why would mafia risk losing 2 cells in a row right at the beginning by trying to save a sunken ship? I might be less experienced than some players, but i'm not that dumb. This seems so obvious to me man. It's clear imo that mafia is in a less than ideal situation, and going down 0:2 is desperation mode. Breshke just takes one for the team and cell 2 becomes almost a must win for mafia. Who seems to be playing in must-win-this-cell mode? 5. His attitude before the 50/50 looked like he was scum with Breshke and waiting to see who the 50/50 ends up being on Here is my post on him at the time: 6. He's STILL undecided on who is scum between LS and I He started by shitting on my reads. Then when I fought back he switched to LS on the "LS scumread me when my reads align with him" thing. Since then he's been undecided. He doesn't know which one of us is scum. Like point 5 where he was undecided between VA and FF, it looks like he's waiting to see who is the easier mislynch between LS and I. Actually here is his last post in the thread: No answer. 7. NOT A REASON: him defending Breshke is NOT town indicative Him defending Breshke is not scum indicative per se (except it is since his reasonning for townreading Breshke is fabricated). But it is NOT town indicative. This is a game where you win when you get to three points. You scum team can have the best scum in the world, he is only going to bring his team 1 point if he's not lynched. He's not going to carry the game. In a standard game this defense of "I wouldn't defend my partner hardcore" would be a little more true. Just a little bit, as scum usually don't push or defend each other hardcore. But in this game, where if VA had been lynched scum team would have gotten 1 point, and DF is going to be out of the game after today anyway, there is NO advantages to bus your teammate, as the end result in the best case scenario is a draw. Conclusion Lynch him, gets free point. | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:28 Shapelog wrote: How does him not being sure you are scum have anything to do with him being scum? This is like the point you made to me about how I am scum because I didn't want to TR Damdred. Makes no sense to me. Yeah it is a OMGUS reaction I will admit, but he is going to scum read you no matter what if he thinks LS is town. Because he was undecided before the case. Then after the case he was 100% I was scum. | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:30 darthfoley wrote: LS is town for 1) THE FIRST PERSON ON BRESHKE 2) People who know him well town meta reading him 3) His play is quite similar to Star Wars, in which he was also town read rather quickly. My play this game makes 0 sense if i'm mafia. Wasn't I the only person to post reads for the rest of the cells today, even though both Rels and LS were asked? IT'S RELS Yeah you posted reads when asked. My reads are disaminated all over the day 'cause I played the game as a whole. They're evolving with the thread. I CANT believe I'm probably lynched over you. It makes me super mad. | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:31 darthfoley wrote: Rels it's not that OMGUS; it's that I think you deliberately mislead and cherrypicked information to look like it was one of your town cases. You also know this so just stop fuck you | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:37 darthfoley wrote: well we'll see who's right in the obs QT after  This is bullshit. If you're town and 100% sure I'm scum I have nothing to admit. | ||
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I'm sooooo mad being almost the lynch when the only proactive stuff DF has done has been protecting scum | ||
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So anybody switching to me is confirmed scum. Not that bad actually | ||
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ANYBODY SWITCHING TO ME STARTING NOW SHOULD BE AUTO LYNCHED | ||
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Fucking no. Apart from the "spewed ritoky town" thing which could be good but does not prove anything since ritoky is porobably never getting lynched anyway if hje's town. He's been defending himself and hesitating forever today. The only things he has done is defendsing scum and OMGUSing me after I've attacked him. | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:56 Vivax wrote: I hate being the tiebreaker You're not | ||
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Lynch anybody who votes me. | ||
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