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Continuing Bre's filter,
I don't think scum ever makes a read like this, and he pushes it like he believes it too.
On February 18 2016 05:39 Breshke wrote:
I read scotts filter and don't understand why he is voting GB and not me
On February 18 2016 05:57 Breshke wrote:
Rsoul swap to scott.
Seriously look at the resons for lynching scott and the reasons for lynching palmar. They are both weak as shit but noone is interested in the scott wagon but me and trefel who if i remember right are your two biggest townreads
On February 18 2016 05:58 Breshke wrote:
oh you did it already oops
SOMEONE ELSE SWAP TO SCOTT
Would scum!Bre say this if he knows GB is wanting to fakeclaim?
On February 19 2016 06:40 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 06:37 nooniansoong wrote:
vig you suck for shooting SL over scott or GB/ vig probably is GB
Humm, prob not. If GB's claim to be vig was something they planned then GB prob would have stuck with the claim to maybe get the mislynch out of it. Seem more likely GB saw this post and realized he could fakeclaim on a whim.
His reactions though when GB does claim don't look very good. Votes Shining right off, asks about what people think GB's alignment is based off the claim (without coming to a conclusion himself), and then realizes Eden was the Vig shot? Idk that line of thinking doesn't track.
After that I kinda get a sense of Bre dropping off a little, this also looks a little odd:
On February 22 2016 12:17 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:On February 18 2016 05:26 Breshke wrote:On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:On February 18 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote:
Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game.
Maybe just lynch him? This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options. Who are the valid options? I think trefels post is perfectly justified. Right now my lynch list is shining, GB, scott and palmar. I have not mentioned any of these people before and it is mostly based on activity and how this EoD is turning out. SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind. Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:
Wow I am regretting my Palmar vote more and more by the hour. The reason I voted was because there were three wagons sitting at two votes (Scott, Shining, and... GB, I think) and I thought they all sucked. They were all effectively p-lynches on people who hadn't been active, and those hit town more often than not. Tumbles filter really confuses me. Top post was pre D1 lynch second post was post lynch. First of all im fairly sure the lynches were never at 2 votes each especially not when tumble ended up voting for palmar and also in the first post he calls people good lynches and in the second he says the same people were bad wagons. I know there was a lynch inbetween so we got more information but i don't really see him using any of that information to make this change of reads. Ive pointed out other disconnects in his posts before and im not sure if it is just because he is a new player or not but he also doesn't feel very involved in the thread and when he is around i feel like he just takes pot shots at people. Still want to lynch scott first because cant risk bringing him to mylo
Seems to have a scumread on Tumble, but wants to lynch Scott becasue "we can't bring him to mylo" which seems like a really weak reason to vote Scott over Tumble to me.
I'm about out of time (have to get ready for work) but Bre's reactions around the fakeclaim were a little off and he seemed to drop off his posting a fair bit after that point. His reasoning for voting scott was also kinda weak, especially since he was one of the people who agreed N1 that the VCA suggested it was TvT.
Maybe my read on Bre was influenced too strongly by his play D1, his reactions to the fakeclaim and drop off in play after that could suggest that he is scum and was worried about associations so started posting less.
I'd still lynch Tumble first, and need to check Rsoul better but Bre could be scum here (even if my gut still says town).
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Shit I might be out of time today, I gotta get rdy for work and I go from one job to the other tonight so only time I might have to check in is during my breaks and maybe I'll be able to put in some time tomorrow morning.
I'll see what I can do.
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I'm seeing all of these posts on breshke and realizing more and more that my scumread on him is really weak. I'd switch back to a no-lynch, but that could end up costing us the game with Trfel 's situation, so I'm going to tictock.
+more reasons coming later, I'm phoneposting right now
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On February 26 2016 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm seeing all of these posts on breshke and realizing more and more that my scumread on him is really weak. I'd switch back to a no-lynch, but that could end up costing us the game with Trfel 's situation, so I'm going to tictock.
+more reasons coming later, I'm phoneposting right now When you get back, these posts about Breshke that you refer to, aren't they posts by Tictock?
If these posts are good enough to make you want to not lynch Breshke, why would this make you want to lynch the person who posted them?
Maybe Tumblewood is mafia after all.....
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On February 26 2016 11:46 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm seeing all of these posts on breshke and realizing more and more that my scumread on him is really weak. I'd switch back to a no-lynch, but that could end up costing us the game with Trfel 's situation, so I'm going to tictock.
+more reasons coming later, I'm phoneposting right now When you get back, these posts about Breshke that you refer to, aren't they posts by Tictock? If these posts are good enough to make you want to not lynch Breshke, why would this make you want to lynch the person who posted them? Maybe Tumblewood is mafia after all.....
Idk where this notion is coming from that I can't agree with someone if also I think they're scum. I'm not thinking this because TT said it, I'm thinking about it because he said it and coming to the same conclusion.
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On February 26 2016 12:04 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 11:46 Trfel wrote:On February 26 2016 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm seeing all of these posts on breshke and realizing more and more that my scumread on him is really weak. I'd switch back to a no-lynch, but that could end up costing us the game with Trfel 's situation, so I'm going to tictock.
+more reasons coming later, I'm phoneposting right now When you get back, these posts about Breshke that you refer to, aren't they posts by Tictock? If these posts are good enough to make you want to not lynch Breshke, why would this make you want to lynch the person who posted them? Maybe Tumblewood is mafia after all..... Idk where this notion is coming from that I can't agree with someone if also I think they're scum. I'm not thinking this because TT said it, I'm thinking about it because he said it and coming to the same conclusion. Sorry, to clarify, are you agreeing with Tictock in his conclusions only or in the arguments he used to arrive at his conclusion (the conclusion being that Breshke is town)?
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I wasn't convinced by his arguments, I was pushed to reexamine my read and decided that my cues on Breshke were not as damming as I thought.
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On February 25 2016 23:23 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 22:29 rsoultin wrote:On February 25 2016 22:22 nooniansoong wrote:On February 25 2016 13:41 rsoultin wrote:lol >< i cant decide whether i should lynch tt for trolling in mylo or give him town-points for going after someone who is never going to be lynched today (prob ever)...though "going after" is a bit of an overstatement in this case no town points then! + Show Spoiler +if he isn't trolling i have no clue what that is supposed to be o.0 bueno, noon, nh is a bit of a place-holder? like a grunt >> i do weird things and write onomatopoeias cause habit. sorry about the confusion do you not have a preference as to lynch order, noon? nnnnnhhhhhhhehhh...You bring up a point about how it looks townie that TT is pushing me, just becaue I'm an unlikely lynch. Who else is he going to push though? The obvious answer is bresh/tumble, but he's already townread bresh and scumread me earlier, so I think to keep his reads consistent he has to push kush/tumble. I would expect a town TT to think, "wait a minute. My read on breshke is not based on very strong evidence. I need to reasses it since kush is looking pretty townie and everyone else is townreading him." nah, i def agree his reads are super static lol >< should prob look up whether TT tends to tunnel or not just to be sure, but that's one of the biggest problems I've seen then why are you basing your sorta townread of him on it..
?? not sure where you get sorta townread from my post? translated into short it basically read:
i saw something that might make tt town
nvm disregard
-shrugs-
but maybe it'll help to explain where my head was at regardless...if tt is scum he basically has two options here...to give up or try to wriggle out of a lynch
if he gives up you can expect him to: (1) not post much, (2) buss for disassociation and/or (3) "push" a clear town to not give information
a trying tt scum would: (1) try to find a counter-lynch <- that was what i was thinking when i saw the post, and his townreading the easier of his two scumreads to lynch and then pursuing you, noon, is not a winning strat for getting someone other than himself lynched. it might get him townread, possibly, but who knows?
as i thought it through while typing, though, his lack of explanation and no follow-through as of the time i posted made me consider that it wasn't a strong town indication after all cause he could just be giving up
lol >< i don't know if that makes any sense at all? it does in my head! \o/
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On February 26 2016 04:32 Tictock wrote:
Rsoul can you tell me, in a couple of sentences why you townread Tumble?
I have a hard time finding stuff in your filter.
PoE
truffle/noon town...though i guess i can take another look at truffle even though i've never actually been fooled by him when he was scum lol >< can't hurt (re: noon i just don't care; if there's good reason to think he'd hard-buss i'll look into it after the second scum flips and probably not before cause it's tinfoily)
and just this thing where almost every time i see something i don't understand from him, either presently or in review, when i look back through his filter the thought process and logic is there and easy for me to understand :/
+ Show Spoiler +then this really bad association thing where if you or bresh were scum with tumble you've been bussing him all game 'cause why? actually, i think it's possible for bresh to be doing that just cause he's so absent i guess
@.@ i mean tbh tt i really don't even remember your points on tumble, they made so little impact
should prob go find them
also, as an aside, i'm getting twitchy about bresh :/ he was/is in two games and hasn't/hadn't posted since his last post here which makes me think something came up and his absence isn't related to his alignment at all
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blah truffle wuffle, you're not scum are you?
that would make me randomly proud and sad at the same time lol ><
like either this game is really super fucking easy and we're all over-analyzing everything and wifoming our way into stupid, or noon and/or truffle are playing kick-ass scum games
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On February 26 2016 13:44 rsoultin wrote:
blah truffle wuffle, you're not scum are you?
that would make me randomly proud and sad at the same time lol ><
like either this game is really super fucking easy and we're all over-analyzing everything and wifoming our way into stupid, or noon and/or truffle are playing kick-ass scum games I'm not scum 
I'm currently thinking that it's Tictock and then one of Breshke/nooniansoong, I guess. Heavily leaning towards Breshke over nooniansoong, but I haven't closely looks at either of them.
I could just be completely missing the mark, though, help?
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On February 26 2016 12:48 Tumblewood wrote:
I wasn't convinced by his arguments, I was pushed to reexamine my read and decided that my cues on Breshke were not as damming as I thought. Thanks, this makes sense.
I worry that I fed this out to you, though Paranoia check time.
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nh...so the sudden read flip on noon's part...
that comes from looking through his scum game to see if he had static reads or not? <- need clarification lol ><
tbf tt's scumread on you makes a fair amount of sense
tch
the problem with tumble being scum is then i'm living in a world where scum is bussing each other to oblivion OR i'm misreading truffle >< fuck
sidenote: tt pushing tumble is totally what he has to do if he's scum, though ^^
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On February 26 2016 13:50 rsoultin wrote:
nh...so the sudden read flip on noon's part...
that comes from looking through his scum game to see if he had static reads or not? <- need clarification lol ><
tbf tt's scumread on you makes a fair amount of sense
tch
the problem with tumble being scum is then i'm living in a world where scum is bussing each other to oblivion OR i'm misreading truffle >< fuck
sidenote: tt pushing tumble is totally what he has to do if he's scum, though ^^ So why is it not Tictock/Breshke? They're not bussing each other? Am I misreading?
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On February 26 2016 13:49 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 13:44 rsoultin wrote:
blah truffle wuffle, you're not scum are you?
that would make me randomly proud and sad at the same time lol ><
like either this game is really super fucking easy and we're all over-analyzing everything and wifoming our way into stupid, or noon and/or truffle are playing kick-ass scum games I'm not scum I'm currently thinking that it's Tictock and then one of Breshke/nooniansoong, I guess. Heavily leaning towards Breshke over nooniansoong, but I haven't closely looks at either of them. I could just be completely missing the mark, though, help?
well, frankly, i think we just need to read breshke's filter and decide once and for all if he's scum or not lol >< we kinda have to assume that he may not come back and we'll be playing with an inactive ??? next day phase, too, regardless of how this one goes
(and i have to say that i completely understand why noon's getting freaked out that you won't read a filter that short, even if you are busy)
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On February 26 2016 13:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 13:50 rsoultin wrote:
nh...so the sudden read flip on noon's part...
that comes from looking through his scum game to see if he had static reads or not? <- need clarification lol ><
tbf tt's scumread on you makes a fair amount of sense
tch
the problem with tumble being scum is then i'm living in a world where scum is bussing each other to oblivion OR i'm misreading truffle >< fuck
sidenote: tt pushing tumble is totally what he has to do if he's scum, though ^^ So why is it not Tictock/Breshke? They're not bussing each other? Am I misreading?
tt/bresh is what my gut tells me?
i'm trying to be open to the idea that i could be wrong on someone cause that kinda feels too easy and i know it's partially based on PoE/assumptions that there is no needless scum bussing
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Okay, so my paranoia check on Tumblewood showed that Tumblewood's scumread on Breshke is primarily based on Breshke's lack of activity lately. Which is something that has been discussed in the time of Tumblewood's read change.
It makes sense, even if it doesn't feel quite right to me? Meh. Not going to worry about it for now.
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On February 26 2016 13:54 Trfel wrote:
Okay, so my paranoia check on Tumblewood showed that Tumblewood's scumread on Breshke is primarily based on Breshke's lack of activity lately. Which is something that has been discussed in the time of Tumblewood's read change.
It makes sense, even if it doesn't feel quite right to me? Meh. Not going to worry about it for now.
the real question is does anyone see a scumteam without breshke in it?
lol >< that and i suppose we can discuss a no-lynch
i'm not in favor for:
- personal reasons...won't be able to be active after the weekend (<-may not be relevant)
- it doesn't give us another mislynch
- 3v2 mylo means literally every town has to be voting scum
i mean, if y'all want to anyway, go ahead lol >< i prob won't actually be alive by the time school starts kicking my butt again, assuming the game is even still going ^^
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I mean, Palmar said that Breshke is mafia.
If we don't lynch Breshke and he wins, Palmar gets to taunt us forever. Is that really what we want?
Seriously though, Breshke's filter may "only" be six pages, but that takes a while to go through I'll see how far I get.
Anyway, I guess you don't like my non-association, independent reasons for Tictock being mafia?
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I mean, you know I've been commenting about Breshke's questions not being as meaningful or having as much direction as I would have expected, and no one's cared about it (ironically, no one but Breshke)?
The only question is, is it important I kinda think that the "how insightful are his questions" read on Breshke isn't very good after all. But I'm not sure what to use instead. How much does Breshke push things when he's town? How involved is he with the lynch?
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