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On February 26 2016 04:29 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 22:22 nooniansoong wrote:
I would expect a town TT to think, "wait a minute. My read on breshke is not based on very strong evidence. I need to reasses it since kush is looking pretty townie and everyone else is townreading him." Lol... Expect I don't give a shit that everyone town reads you, everyone could be wrong. Do you have strong evidence that Bre is scum? It would be better if you can tell me why you scumread him, not accuse my townread of being bad. You haven't backed-up all your townreads with meticulous detail have you? Why should I?
I looked at an old scumgame of yours and you had no problem having fluid reads it seems like.
Your stubborness is actually pretty townie.
Fuck no I don't have strong evidence that Bre is scum. All I have is a lack of evidence that he is town.
The point against shape he made in the beginning of the game that you liked--I did not really like it.
So about breshke, I dunno. He is AFK in other places as well. ahem... Really, I dunno.
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tumble woudl you be down for a no lynch?
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/out something unforseeable happend
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On February 26 2016 04:35 boxerfred wrote:
/out something unforseeable happend Lol?
Nooniansoong, I don't get why you've been saying that Tictock and Breshke are mafia for a while, and you largely ignore me in my discussions last night, and suddenly decide that Tictock is town. Why wasn't this anything you would have liked to talk about last night? And what are your actual reasons, or is it just "mafia is the least suspected people"?
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On February 26 2016 04:13 nooniansoong wrote:
tt talk to me if you're here. how do you feel about this?
Here but not quite caught up, assuming you mean who do I think could be scum...
Tumble - Most likely scum, weak accusation against me for doing tarot, not doing anything to figuer out alignments
Rsoul - Seems to be looking at the game fairly, kinda tagging along with townleaders though. D1 vote suggests she can only be scum with Tumble.
Bre - Feels town, but hasn't done anything yet today. I know he is playing in another game but I'd expect him to put more focus on this game since we are in MyLo.
Kush - Probably town since he is trying to solve the game today, still a bit uneasy kus of some of the stuff I was seeing
Trfel - Has been trying to solve the game, questioning a lot and doing rereading, also feels natural and isn't pushing out cases to get his lynch. Easily town.
I think that's pretty much where I am at.
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ignore me wrong thread sorry!
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I'd really prefer to lynch today if possible. Reason being that in less than 24 hours I will be leaving, and I'll probably barely be present after that. I'm worried that if we no-lynch, I might get modkilled, and that would be a really stupid way to end the game.
Yes, I screwed up. Yes, it was really stupid. Yes, I'm sorry. But I'd still prefer to cut my losses.
If you're fine with no-lynching, thus going into LYLO with me barely being present, then I guess that works, but I don't think it's smart, especially since rsoultin's schedule also works better with no-lynching.
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And nooniansoong, I haven't made an actual case, or actually pushed anything (except the scott lynch at the end of Day 1). Believe me, when it comes time for a case and a push, you'll know 
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On February 26 2016 04:32 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 04:29 Tictock wrote:On February 25 2016 22:22 nooniansoong wrote:
I would expect a town TT to think, "wait a minute. My read on breshke is not based on very strong evidence. I need to reasses it since kush is looking pretty townie and everyone else is townreading him." Lol... Expect I don't give a shit that everyone town reads you, everyone could be wrong. Do you have strong evidence that Bre is scum? It would be better if you can tell me why you scumread him, not accuse my townread of being bad. You haven't backed-up all your townreads with meticulous detail have you? Why should I? I looked at an old scumgame of yours and you had no problem having fluid reads it seems like. Your stubborness is actually pretty townie. Fuck no I don't have strong evidence that Bre is scum. All I have is a lack of evidence that he is town. The point against shape he made in the beginning of the game that you liked--I did not really like it. So about breshke, I dunno. He is AFK in other places as well. ahem... Really, I dunno.
That's fair, were you talking about this?
On February 17 2016 11:29 Breshke wrote:ehh I have a problem with these two posts. Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 09:27 Shapelog wrote:On February 16 2016 09:17 Trfel wrote:Shapelog, why do you not care that I caught mafia  I am actually writing a reply to your questions Lol. But about Eden, tbh not a whole lot to go off of (I mean like 4 posts not counting the miller softclaim joke). In those two posts: Set up speculation, Rosukl Town read, Asking if people abject to Miller claiming, Miller claiming. Like why would mafia push Miller claiming AND while speculating that a DT is in a game? Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 23:19 Shapelog wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Sick Mafia Stat that while it has not…] +
OK so this is great. I was reading R-Girl's Filter and This pop into my head. This is comptlely Off topic and I highly suggest to you to NOT reply to this. IT will clog up the thread and my filter with useless crap. Only thing worth noting is the end.
SUPPOSE THAT THE MILLERS are NOT Aware. Cheekey right? I mean we have had everyone post and no one claimed. What if mafia posts a list like Eden's. Saying the Millers sound aware (while knowing somehow either by mafia knowledge or host question). and THEN having their partner claim Miller? Sure, they might run into problems later on. But that would be a amazing play.
IMPORTANT INFO
So, While I am all for Millers to claim if they are aware. I think we need to be careful since we do not actually know if Millers are really Millers. And if we have a DT, they can not check. Further more, we need to see if there is any associative behavior with the person who claims Miller and with people like Eden who assumes Millers are aware.
the first one shows meaningful insight into why edens "setup speculation" wasn't scummy. This makes me think that he has obviously thought about what eden is saying and realised millers are self aware. then the second post he suddenly backtracks and says a bunch of words about not much. I know dumbtells almost always come from town and mafia hardly ever fake them but this isn't really a dumbtell because it isnt about the mafia roles. Like I don't get how the same person wrote these two posts. Scum lean on Shape
I thought it was a decent point about Shape agreeing that millers should claim (knows they are aware) and then suddenly makes a tinfoil about them not being aware. I thought his(Shape's) tinfoil there was pretty weak since he could have easily checked the OP and seen Millers are aware.
Looks legit to me still.
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On February 26 2016 04:46 Trfel wrote:
I'd really prefer to lynch today if possible. Reason being that in less than 24 hours I will be leaving, and I'll probably barely be present after that. I'm worried that if we no-lynch, I might get modkilled, and that would be a really stupid way to end the game.
Yes, I screwed up. Yes, it was really stupid. Yes, I'm sorry. But I'd still prefer to cut my losses.
If you're fine with no-lynching, thus going into LYLO with me barely being present, then I guess that works, but I don't think it's smart, especially since rsoultin's schedule also works better with no-lynching.
Ok, well assuming we HAVE to lynch today then.
If I were suddenly mod-killed or whatever, who would you be voting for?
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On February 26 2016 04:50 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 04:46 Trfel wrote:
I'd really prefer to lynch today if possible. Reason being that in less than 24 hours I will be leaving, and I'll probably barely be present after that. I'm worried that if we no-lynch, I might get modkilled, and that would be a really stupid way to end the game.
Yes, I screwed up. Yes, it was really stupid. Yes, I'm sorry. But I'd still prefer to cut my losses.
If you're fine with no-lynching, thus going into LYLO with me barely being present, then I guess that works, but I don't think it's smart, especially since rsoultin's schedule also works better with no-lynching. Ok, well assuming we HAVE to lynch today then. If I were suddenly mod-killed or whatever, who would you be voting for? No idea. Currently I think that Tumblewood is town and you are mafia, but I haven't been able to look too closely at anyone else yet.
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@TT
why did you want to lynch me over tumble today? doesn't mesh with how hard you've been pushign tumble all game long and been on the fence about me.
@trfel
looking at bresh should be your top priority imo.
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Glad to know what you think my priorities should be
My top priority right now is catching up in my classes. You know, because I've been sick and unable to go to class. I think I found one scum and have presented reasons, and I'm more than willing to discuss this read with anyone (including them). We're only allowed one lynch per day.
I'll look at Breshke eventually, but on my time, not yours.
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@TT,
Why make this long as post about GB when he's obviously going to be lynched anyway? Like why waste the time if his lynch is already an inevitability?
+ Show Spoiler +On February 21 2016 05:13 Tictock wrote:Not going to take a lot of time looking at GB's past games, I'm not a strong believer in meta but maybe it will be relieving to take a look. Ok apparently I forgot GB was in the Nutcraker game, starting with that one kus it's pretty recent and I was in that game (albeit as scum). + Show Spoiler +I'm seeing a lot of similarities in GB's play between the 2 games. One thing that jumps out is that GB made a very similar push on Kush in both games. On December 14 2015 22:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm voting Kush because he deserves it On December 16 2015 03:49 GlowingBear wrote:
But to be fair I prefer kush to die today. For the reasons of I don't want to relive Avogadro's Number mini Mafia On December 16 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow the vote count is horrendous
Townies, if we keep the vote count this way, Madia can easy manipulate it
If we are so torn apart we should vote someone who is at least a queation mark
I'm driving. I suggest you all move to kush Overall I think things look pretty similar to this game, but GB did seem more interested in making reads in Nutcracker than in this game. When GB was getting lynched though he wasn't anywhere as emotional as he has been here. On December 16 2015 07:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh I'm dying On December 16 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi, I'm not Mafia. You're again doing the same mistake you did last game if you're town.
And it's a shame you can't give me more time to prove myself even when I repeatedly said I would've been busy these days. He was also town in NSM XVIII which I think is his most recent town game. + Show Spoiler +This is a large filter and I wasn't in the game so I'm just skimming and then checking the end of his filter to how he reacted to being lynched. In general I notice a bit more of a carefree attitude from GB, he's giving thoughts and reads pretty freely and just seems kinda friendly when interacting with people. His reaction to being lynched in this game is markedly different than the others, biggest thing relevant to this game now... he's not very emotional even when being lynched. On January 07 2016 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, lynch me today
When I flip town lynch my scum reads
They are Giygas/mderg/?
Also remember what I said on NM before
I'm getting ready to work and I'll be AFK during the entire day.
I hope you guys do the right thing. If you don't, do NOT ignore my reads. On January 07 2016 00:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 00:28 Kmatt wrote:
While I can't pin the vote switch yesterday as being inherently scummy, the fact that GiygaS skirted by for so long with so little contribution to the thread is troubling. I've only got about 20 minutes before I head out for the rest of this day phase (curse you Wednesday morning shifts) so if anyone has anything to run by me I need to hear it and now. If my math is right another mislynch today and we're six kinds of screwed. Not that I doubt my reads but I want to be as sure as possible since I can't respond to any shenanigans. Argh this post isn't good. Guys lynch me, I can't deal with this thing of not being able to decide if Kmatt is town or Mafia On January 07 2016 01:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm late for work, I gotta go
I'm voting Giygas.
I'm town.
Do the right thing On January 07 2016 02:23 GlowingBear wrote:
The only reason I'm not flipping out is because this is a newbie game lol Last town game I'm gunna look at is Haunted Mansion, note that he was rolled town that game even if the mechanics of the game caused him to become mafia-aligned after death. + Show Spoiler +Just for reference, I was in this game as town with town!GB and got super tunneled on him thinking he was the final member of the mafia team after we lynched mafia D2 and D3. Even after I died I left a last will that told people to lynch GB. This was some of his reactions that last day before he got mislynched and town lost the game. On December 09 2015 07:20 GlowingBear wrote:
I won't repeat the reasons myself for why I'm town, if you wish to disregard my defense and lynch me GG and farewell, I don't have the patience to fight my lynch. On December 09 2015 13:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 13:15 sicklucker wrote:
like screw you koshi if we went h my plan to lynch gb and oo we probably had auto =[. how dare we let this terrible mafia player have a chance Also, I'm not Mafia. Care to read what I write now that I am actually defending myself? On December 10 2015 10:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 07:53 Koshi wrote:
I actually wanted to vote chrom for pressure but TT/marv take rrsponsability.
I will auto vote gb tomorrow Ok GG On December 10 2015 21:45 GlowingBear wrote:
I think I've brought enough points on OO and Chrome. I certainly am suspicious of Chrom especially because he is still alive at LYLO and didn't require a lynch on him before anyone else after two days of mislynches.
In the other hand, I'd rather lose to mafia Chrome than lose to Mafia ObviousOne. So I'm voting him.
On December 11 2015 23:13 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2015 13:51 Chromatically wrote:
RIP game?
I guess everything has kind of already been said though, people just have to make the decision.
Are you set on GB Koshi? You're mafia On December 12 2015 06:53 GlowingBear wrote:
I would try to survive but I'm working and I can't
GG Wp scum Quite similar to the NSM game before this, again though very little emotional reaction to being lynched. And then the contrast check with a recent scum!GB game from Outlaw. + Show Spoiler +This is another game where GB has over 10pgs of filter, so I'm just focusing on the last page or two where he is getting lynched. On January 05 2016 00:26 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll be reading the thread later and I'll give some inputs. On January 05 2016 06:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, why am I being votes? On January 05 2016 07:25 GlowingBear wrote:
The only reason you guys have to vote me is my recent inactivity. Other than that, why am I scum? On January 05 2016 07:38 GlowingBear wrote:
OWS could be scum There isn't any emotion but the similarities in how GB is asking why he is being scumread is rather uncanny to this game, also the first quote here is a lot like some of GB's posts D1 here.
This Game: (Today in particular) First lets talk about that Fake claim I've been simmering on the back burner. + Show Spoiler [Relevant Posts] +On February 19 2016 08:05 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm the vigi and I shot SL On February 19 2016 08:19 GlowingBear wrote:Why are you voting confirmed town? On February 19 2016 08:39 GlowingBear wrote:
MY GOD SHINING YOU CAN'T BE THAT STUPID On February 19 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:
##vote: The Shining So while I will note that GB did not ACTUALLY vote for TS, this doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean that as either alignment it makes very little sense. If this is a fakeclaim from town!GB then why does he flip out and vote(fakevote?) Shining? He knows he's fakeclaiming and a CC is almost for sure going to be the real Vig, so either GB doesn't think Shining is a vig or he's flailing hard. If this is scum!GB why does he even bother to claim? Getting the real vig to claim means nothing for scum and Shape has already claimed his role. If he does claim, why backoff so fast? Like it was clear that Breshke and I were instantly more suspect of The Shining than GB so a scum!GB would have kept his claim and gone for the 1v1 right? Bah this is why I wanted to ignore this, kus it legit just doesn't make sense as either alignment. I guess I can almost believe GB was going to move to eat a bullet, especially kus if he was scum he would have known that SL was not the Vig shot. Now we have GB's more recent burst of activity and his anger over being scumread for his lackluster play. Overall I see that easily coming from either alignment, the anger does seem fake though as I think GB understands that being lynched is part of the game ans can self-evaluate his own play enough to understand why he is being scumread here. His reads list wasn't terrible though. Show nested quote +On February 21 2016 02:35 GlowingBear wrote:
I've already gave my reads, the strongest read I had once was Eden being town and sicklucker and Kush being Mafia.
I think Truffle is townie although his push on me is weird
I think Tictock is townie for the way he is engaging the game.
Shapelog is town.
Shining is town.
I don't know about Breshke, he sounds townish but he doesn't look very engaged to the thread. Sometimes he comes, comment things and disappears.
I thought Kush was Mafia but I'm not sure anymore after reading his filter. He seems very engaged in finding scum especially on how he faces Tictock, so he might be town after all.
I think Tumblewood could be Mafia out of PoE. Not really strong reasons against him because nothing stands out from his filter but his images, that can be easily done to get towncred. He has done nothing with those "lots of information" after he posted them, and some of them are distorted interpretation of what people say in thread.
I think Rsoultin is Mafia because she can read me well and her flip on me doesn't make sense and is very opportunistic considering she is following thread sentiment.
I have no idea about scott but I also don't understand his scum read on me which also feels very opportunistic considering I'm his counter wagon and he hasn't commented a single post from my filter Honestly the only problem I have with this post was that GB wasn't just freely sharing these reads, it was like he churned them out upon request.
Conclusions:Fuck if I know, but GB has a pretty good chance of flipping red here, probably goon or shadow, or w/e. I only had the one scum game to look at so idk if he does bouts of fake emotion as scum, but there was a clear similarity in how GB is asking "Why am I scum" both in Outlaw and here, whereas in his town games he is more focused on his reads or is trying to convince people he is town. Maybe GB has just been playing this game with the idea of being too scummy to be scum and then decides to put in the effort for a few hours before EoD to try and wiggle the wagon off him. Seems like a pretty shit play as scum though... but I suppose it's even worse as town... Sigh, I swear GB if you are town here I will highly consider doing the unspeakable things I almost typed here. ##Vote: GlowingBear
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On February 26 2016 05:01 Trfel wrote:Glad to know what you think my priorities should be My top priority right now is catching up in my classes. You know, because I've been sick and unable to go to class. I think I found one scum and have presented reasons, and I'm more than willing to discuss this read with anyone (including them). We're only allowed one lynch per day. I'll look at Breshke eventually, but on my time, not yours.
i mean in terms of who you are looking at in the game. Not over real life. Don't get snippy with me.
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On February 26 2016 05:02 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 05:01 Trfel wrote:Glad to know what you think my priorities should be My top priority right now is catching up in my classes. You know, because I've been sick and unable to go to class. I think I found one scum and have presented reasons, and I'm more than willing to discuss this read with anyone (including them). We're only allowed one lynch per day. I'll look at Breshke eventually, but on my time, not yours. i mean in terms of who you are looking at in the game. Not over real life. Don't get snippy with me. Seeing as I clearly said that I would look into Breshke last night, , I don't see what your point is.
On February 26 2016 04:40 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 04:35 boxerfred wrote:
/out something unforseeable happend Lol? Nooniansoong, I don't get why you've been saying that Tictock and Breshke are mafia for a while, and you largely ignore me in my discussions last night, and suddenly decide that Tictock is town. Why wasn't this anything you would have liked to talk about last night? And what are your actual reasons, or is it just "mafia is the least suspected people"?
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Well since I opened Bre's filter to find that post...
On February 17 2016 22:34 Breshke wrote:
Hi shape
It is actually hard because yes i still don't see how you could make both of those posts but I don't see why you do it as mafia. Dumbtell obviously but that is jsut a MEH reason. I also get the same kinda vibe rsoul said she got where you seem like "fake happy" but that might just be you and im far too lazy to look at your other games to see if that's true.
Some people want to lynch shining. What is your opinion on that shape?
This looks like town!Bre interacting with his scumread (this is right after that post I just quoted). Explains his position and what he meant, but asks Shape about an unrelated matter to remove potential bias and further the read.
He votes Shape after this, which as I discussed way back in my tinfoil post looks pretty legit.
On February 18 2016 04:07 Breshke wrote:last few pages from shape seem really really scummmy. Especially this Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 03:20 Shapelog wrote:On February 18 2016 03:19 nooniansoong wrote:
um shape why are you voting trfel for a joke...? Because I am tired of voting off GB L33t. But Srs. he is prob mafia. I'm not sure if he is reffering to trefel or GB here im fairly sure it's trefel but he doesn't bring it up again when he should 100% be trying to push a counter wagon especially if someone is "prob mafia". I get that he also scumreads SL but it just seemed like the easy way out and he ahsn't explained this read at all. ##Vote ShapelogAlso trefel it might not be important now but how do you think that no one responds to you when you point out my early questions went nowhere and correctly idenify this as something I do as scum. Makes me feel that there is scum in people that are more familiar to me and are resigned to not lynching me. Is this a bad assumption?
I like these reactions from Bre, re Shape claiming blue.
On February 18 2016 04:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 04:52 Shapelog wrote:
Is everyone in agreement with Kush? no, its my opinon that you don't claim what blue you are
On February 18 2016 04:55 Breshke wrote:
Shape post your read post
More interested in Shapes reads/Role, pretty likely this comes from town. Kush had already opened the door to pushing shape to claim, it would be easy for scum to jump on the chance and push the blame onto Kush.
Humm this post is the opposite of that though...
On February 18 2016 05:05 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 22:57 sicklucker wrote:On February 17 2016 11:42 sicklucker wrote:On February 17 2016 11:33 Tumblewood wrote:
Pretend I quoted rsoul's question.
At the beginning of the game (aka when I made that post) the active people (rsoul, Trfel, Eden, kush, TT, SL, Shape, Breshke) were about equally active, and few of their posts at the time provide anything of substance. Since then, rsoul, kush, and TT have taken on a role of facilitation-- that is, making sure the game progresses. I think that mafia are more content just to let this day pass slowly and quietly and would not actively try to prevent that. In mafia theres also a thing called poweroles. When one receives a powerole they want to fly under the radar On February 17 2016 17:21 sicklucker wrote:
little chance ill be here for deadline tbh. so if im getting lynched let me know soon for obvious reasons On February 17 2016 17:23 sicklucker wrote:
its just a general good rule of thumb to not lynch people afk at deadline on day 1 I made all these posts and people are probably still trying to lynch me. I expect to return to the thread later dead one way or the other. gl with that I have no time today SL confirm this was a blueclaim. There is no point not talking about it
Also iirc Bre was one of the few people who seemed to legitimately think SL was blue, and mafia did kill SL almost for sure because they thought he was blue...
then right back to this:
On February 18 2016 05:06 Breshke wrote:No stop. Why does everyone want him to claim his role? How is that the good play GB unless you are very sure he is mafia. SHape said he was working on a reads list. If you think he is fake claiming it is also very likely he has no such reads list. Shouldn't this be a higher priority for him to reply to.
Eh I'm tempted to say that's a disconnect between how he was treating Shape and SL but maybe it's just kus SL was softing blue and Bre picked up on it whereas Shape outright claimed. I could also see town!Bre just being caught up in all the blue talk at this point.
Actually this leads me think Bre couldn't have been scum who killed SL.
On February 18 2016 05:16 Breshke wrote:
Like I don't hate that reads list from shape, not to say i agree with it and think a lot of it is weak reasoning but it is enough for me to show that as scum he wasnt just relying on his fake claim to get through the lynch and makes me sure that he doesn't claim here.
I have problems with SL but it is better I talk about it D2
I have no idea who we lynch but im fairly sure it will be one of the less active players.
Bre hinted multiple times that he was holding back a read on SL and then said D2 he was planning to push him hard for taking back the blue claim N1.
If scum did kill SL N1 kus they thought he was blue then why would Bre be holding back his SL read like that?
Gunna stop this kus I don't want to make a giant WoT (and this was all only one page on Bre's filter >.<).
I'm seeing a lot of stuff to support Bre being town though... even just reading one page of his filter here.
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On February 26 2016 04:59 nooniansoong wrote:
@TT
why did you want to lynch me over tumble today? doesn't mesh with how hard you've been pushign tumble all game long and been on the fence about me.
@trfel
looking at bresh should be your top priority imo.
Are you referring to my Tarot post?
Actually even if you weren't I thought It would be more interesting to try and push you more directly today, though at this point I'm thinking you are town. You didn't even OMGUS me for the fake vote on you, so it seems like you are actually invested in determining people's alignments tday.
You were a pretty strong scumread coming into today though... and the cards suggested you might be GF.
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Tictock, I'm not sure I understand. To me, your post made me feel more suspicious of Breshke, not less, as you say.
You feel that he is town because of how he interacted with Shapelog, and because he didn't talk about his read on sicklucker before he died, right? Did I miss anything?
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On February 26 2016 05:27 Trfel wrote:
Tictock, I'm not sure I understand. To me, your post made me feel more suspicious of Breshke, not less, as you say.
You feel that he is town because of how he interacted with Shapelog, and because he didn't talk about his read on sicklucker before he died, right? Did I miss anything? Well, I'm heading out for a while, but I don't see much reason to go one way or the other on Breshke based on the posts you quoted. And mafia wouldn't want to share their read on someone who they're about to nightkill because it's less efficient than sharing a read on someone who will still be alive, a read which you'd have the opportunity to use later.
Basically, I feel that both of those reasons are extremely poor. And how this affects your read on Breshke, or if you disagree with my statements.
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