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Rsoul do you like breshke's point against shape?
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2016 11:29 Breshke wrote:ehh I have a problem with these two posts. Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 09:27 Shapelog wrote:On February 16 2016 09:17 Trfel wrote:Shapelog, why do you not care that I caught mafia  I am actually writing a reply to your questions Lol. But about Eden, tbh not a whole lot to go off of (I mean like 4 posts not counting the miller softclaim joke). In those two posts: Set up speculation, Rosukl Town read, Asking if people abject to Miller claiming, Miller claiming. Like why would mafia push Miller claiming AND while speculating that a DT is in a game? Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 23:19 Shapelog wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Sick Mafia Stat that while it has not…] +
OK so this is great. I was reading R-Girl's Filter and This pop into my head. This is comptlely Off topic and I highly suggest to you to NOT reply to this. IT will clog up the thread and my filter with useless crap. Only thing worth noting is the end.
SUPPOSE THAT THE MILLERS are NOT Aware. Cheekey right? I mean we have had everyone post and no one claimed. What if mafia posts a list like Eden's. Saying the Millers sound aware (while knowing somehow either by mafia knowledge or host question). and THEN having their partner claim Miller? Sure, they might run into problems later on. But that would be a amazing play.
IMPORTANT INFO
So, While I am all for Millers to claim if they are aware. I think we need to be careful since we do not actually know if Millers are really Millers. And if we have a DT, they can not check. Further more, we need to see if there is any associative behavior with the person who claims Miller and with people like Eden who assumes Millers are aware.
the first one shows meaningful insight into why edens "setup speculation" wasn't scummy. This makes me think that he has obviously thought about what eden is saying and realised millers are self aware. then the second post he suddenly backtracks and says a bunch of words about not much. I know dumbtells almost always come from town and mafia hardly ever fake them but this isn't really a dumbtell because it isnt about the mafia roles. Like I don't get how the same person wrote these two posts. Scum lean on Shape
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On February 18 2016 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
:/ i resent that, scott
shape is mafia cause tone (i.e. forced) which even he admits and cause i can't seem to get half the game to even talk about him though i mentioned my read like half a dozen times @.@
bresh started so yay bresh! and i think truffle looked briefly too if i recall
Lol, no i did not admit my tone is forced. I say i wasn't happy except for TT.
If you want to me to fake emotions i can.
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Meh, Shapelog hasn't seemed to be doing much. I only remember one actual suspicion from his filter, which is strange given that he's been relatively active. So much conversation, so little scumhunting.
And I'm still not sure about Breshke being town. I feel a bit hesitant about his first question and response to Tictock, I don't feel like it was very useful or had followup. I also don't find his question to Shapelog very insightful at all, it feels like there's no point to it. And I don't feel a drive from Breshke to figure out the best lynch, though I'm not sure if that's normal from him as town.
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@shape
aww why aren't you happy?
Perhaps you should deep read shining's post before you judge it.
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On February 18 2016 01:30 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 04:23 scott31337 wrote:
Palmar/Shape/Trfel leaning town
Rsoul/TT lighter not has hard but townside of null
GB/Noon/Shining/SL - not enough information
Tumble/Breshke leaning mafia since Tumble looks just like his last game I played with him - and Breshke should have more
light and shining and it's just not there.
Eden usually shits town rainbows but there's a lot of fluff in his filter - so I'm still on the fence on him - wouldn't be the lynch today ye so cause i'm biased and don't think i'm ever fucking useless so want to call bs on your read instinctively >> i'm going to ask you about your TT and shape reads instead i think shape is scum ^^ you should be a hero and lynch him with me! \o/ or show me how i'm wrong
Idk much about Rsoul, but i do know it is common knowledge of how to get a ML as scum. Like if she was town (and maybe she is and this is normal.) but she seems to not care about a lynch. Maybe it is Bias from thinking I am scum or something.
I am town sadly :/ So i have to point out these things.
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On February 18 2016 01:46 nooniansoong wrote:
@shape
aww why aren't you happy?
Perhaps you should deep read shining's post before you judge it.
No rest for the wicked. Also I just watch 3 hours of BS.
Also yeah, time to get on with it.
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Shapelog, why aren't you being useful and pushing stuff?
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OH I MISSED THIS:
Shape, can you make your read on Tumble more clear?
Sure Shining.
Tumble as mafia was very, whats the word, active annalist? He tried to post big reads, big posts, Blah blah blah. This time, he is the oppersite. He has a low drive which is the opposite of his /in post, which you might ask means anything? Because at the time he just stop/was playing scum. Which he was very happy to do. Now he is the opposite.
He has not done anything though, so I am kinda of speculating. I knew their might of been a risk by giving him a Town lean, and was hoping that he would do something by now. But he is because not doing anything. He is suffering from lack of info symptom as he claims. As scum, he could of saw my TL on him and decide to follow it. IF that is the case, than pat on the back for the trap.
Plus he is just poking the thread without actually helping it.
On February 17 2016 15:12 Tumblewood wrote:
No one's thoughts feel coherent, which means that my thoughts probably aren't coherent, so it's time for me to get some sleep. See you all in 8-9 hours.
So he uses our problems to delay shit.
I wouldn't mind lynching actually, but there is prob. better people to lynch and at best, he is a little more then a coin flip. A course, I still wouldn't mind.
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On February 18 2016 01:57 Trfel wrote:
Shapelog, why aren't you being useful and pushing stuff?
Because quite honestly I don't have a fucking clue anymore. My mind is muddied. Plus You people TR me, so in the stake of my filter, i decided to leave the game for a few hours instead of "OMG YOUR SCUM TRYING TO BUDDYZ!!!!!!!!!."
Prob. going to filter dive in a few mins. and post reads and push from there.
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Also Unbiased scum played wore onto my Town bias Play. Trying to be this rational being is hard :/
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On February 18 2016 02:01 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 01:57 Trfel wrote:
Shapelog, why aren't you being useful and pushing stuff? Because quite honestly I don't have a fucking clue anymore. My mind is muddied. Plus You people TR me, so in the stake of my filter, i decided to leave the game for a few hours instead of "OMG YOUR SCUM TRYING TO BUDDYZ!!!!!!!!!." Prob. going to filter dive in a few mins. and post reads and push from there. When Tumblewood says exactly the same thing (my mind is muddied), why do you scumread him for it, if you're thinking the exact same thing?
Also for the sake of clarity, I'm getting closer and closer to lynching you.
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On February 17 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:Don't like Shining's reads now that I bothered to read the larger post. Not with the conclusions -- nobody is screaming lock-scum to me either -- but it felt like he came to null/null-ish conclusions about several players despite posting enough info to come to a firmer conclusion. Like comparing his reads to mine, since we both ended up not having a lot of clear suspects, I make it clear what I find suspicious or not suspicious about people, and what I find validating or not validating about people. People don't do scummy and townie things, or at least, I don't think they have yet in this game. Look at this... Show nested quote +Tictock - I kinda liked TT for town at the beginning tbh, but his recent posting worried me and made me backtrack. His early posts were short but the tone seemed pretty relaxed from the jokes with Shapelog, while also mixing some good posts, mainly the one about Trfel and his TR on him. I'm still working on my Trfel read due to how he's treating me, but I will say I really liked TT's Eden read and see pretty much what he sees. His GB read seemed pretty accurate, too, I've also played with a lackadaiscal, non-caring GB town multiple times before which has ended in GB being prime lynchbait. I could probably see where he's coming from, though I wish GB would actually play. What I don't like is TT immediately calling his GB read shit because of a one-liner from Kush in which Kush didn't even explain WHY that TR was bad. Also a red flag is the fact that I can't really find where or who TT is scumreading. The closest thing is a list of people that need to post more, myself included. I feel like TT would be more confident and focused on finding scum after his last good performance. The line "I don't have any strong scumreads but I'm pretty confident we'll hit scum" feels off. Slight scumread here, since imo scum is a lot better at giving townreads as opposed to fabricating scumreads. Basically, he lists a lot of reasons to like Tictock. He likes Tictock's town reads, and maybe only has real issues with how Tictock came to the GB read. But then he says that because Tictock doesn't have clear scumreads, that Tictock is a scum lean? I don't get how a guy can be considered to be pretty townie based off of having a lot of reasonable townreads, but then can end up being net-scummy due to not having clear scumreads. It'd seem to me that you would conclude that the unclear scum reads is a big red flag, mafia can just make up reasons to townread people (especially if you agree with those reads and think the people being townread are actually town, then they're just saying correct things which is easy to do), and so the townreads don't mean anything and he's clear scum. Or, you would say that the townreads are a great reason to townread him early, because they make sense and show that he's engaged with the game. At that point, it would be more reasonable to assume that a relative lack of scumreads is the byproduct of an early game without anybody doing anything obviously suspicious, and is NAI. But surely you can't just say both things and call it virtually a wash (slight scum lean)? If either of them didn't matter you would conclude the other one is important and read Tictock accordingly. If both didn't matter then you would just not have a read. And they're not really constructed in a way that you can think both do matter -- since both of them are good reasons to read someone a certain way, and both lead to divergent conclusions, it stands to reason that one of them is wrong and thus shouldn't matter, and that, coming to this realization, you would review the player and decide which one matters. I felt several of his reads that conclude null/null-ish have similar issues: he describes various behaviors by the player that look like they would be alignment-indicative, but they conclude opposite things, so instead of digging into the players in more depth and detail to resolve the divergent conclusions, he just calls them "null" overall even though they shouldn't be null. He's cited enough behaviors to come to some conclusion about a player, but then manages not to do so. Coupled with the posting style -- few, longer posts, with minimal proactive interaction -- I'm actually inclined to think this guy could be a good lynch.
Phone posting, but this is the Eden I've been waiting for. Marked for later, Eden goes into the townhouse.
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On February 18 2016 02:03 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 02:01 Shapelog wrote:On February 18 2016 01:57 Trfel wrote:
Shapelog, why aren't you being useful and pushing stuff? Because quite honestly I don't have a fucking clue anymore. My mind is muddied. Plus You people TR me, so in the stake of my filter, i decided to leave the game for a few hours instead of "OMG YOUR SCUM TRYING TO BUDDYZ!!!!!!!!!." Prob. going to filter dive in a few mins. and post reads and push from there. When Tumblewood says exactly the same thing (my mind is muddied), why do you scumread him for it, if you're thinking the exact same thing? Also for the sake of clarity, I'm getting closer and closer to lynching you.
Because he buggered off While I am actually trying to do stuff. It is not like I am saying, "I AM LIKE THIS, LOLOLOLOL" and bail.
Also Yeah I know, my town play is garbage this game lol. Got to work hard.
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Yeah if i get mislynched, my fault internally for the last few hours of play.
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Vote Count - Day 1
Sicklucker(2): Ticktock, Palmar, GlowingBear
GlowingBear(2): nooniansoong, scott31337
Palmar (1): nooniansoong, sicklucker
scott31337 (1): sicklucker
The Shining (1): Eden1892,sicklucker
Breshke(1): Palmar
Shapelog (1): rsoulting
Eden1892 (0): Trfel, sicklucker
Not Voting (5): Shapelog, Tumblewood, Breshke, The Shining, Trfel
At this time, sicklucker is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
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My math class ends in an hour. Standby because lynching me d1 is stupid, especially for tryharding. I'll get to edens post after class but SL is probably scum for a shitty metaread using a scum game we had together that he didn't even know we played in together last game.
How does he suddenly know what my scum game is like when he couldn't even remember we played in that game together recently? Seems ridiculously opportunistic.
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On February 18 2016 01:17 nooniansoong wrote:
@GB did you read all of SL's filter or are you just going to stop there because you're 100% on him being scum already?
I'm catching up. I saw that post and adding his earlier posts to it I felt he was scum.
I'm at page 10 now. I took a break for lunch. But I will catch up entirely until deadline
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Oh nvm he jumped off as easily as he jumped on and omgus Palmar. Haha
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On February 17 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:Don't like Shining's reads now that I bothered to read the larger post. Not with the conclusions -- nobody is screaming lock-scum to me either -- but it felt like he came to null/null-ish conclusions about several players despite posting enough info to come to a firmer conclusion. Like comparing his reads to mine, since we both ended up not having a lot of clear suspects, I make it clear what I find suspicious or not suspicious about people, and what I find validating or not validating about people. People don't do scummy and townie things, or at least, I don't think they have yet in this game. Look at this... Show nested quote +Tictock - I kinda liked TT for town at the beginning tbh, but his recent posting worried me and made me backtrack. His early posts were short but the tone seemed pretty relaxed from the jokes with Shapelog, while also mixing some good posts, mainly the one about Trfel and his TR on him. I'm still working on my Trfel read due to how he's treating me, but I will say I really liked TT's Eden read and see pretty much what he sees. His GB read seemed pretty accurate, too, I've also played with a lackadaiscal, non-caring GB town multiple times before which has ended in GB being prime lynchbait. I could probably see where he's coming from, though I wish GB would actually play. What I don't like is TT immediately calling his GB read shit because of a one-liner from Kush in which Kush didn't even explain WHY that TR was bad. Also a red flag is the fact that I can't really find where or who TT is scumreading. The closest thing is a list of people that need to post more, myself included. I feel like TT would be more confident and focused on finding scum after his last good performance. The line "I don't have any strong scumreads but I'm pretty confident we'll hit scum" feels off. Slight scumread here, since imo scum is a lot better at giving townreads as opposed to fabricating scumreads. Basically, he lists a lot of reasons to like Tictock. He likes Tictock's town reads, and maybe only has real issues with how Tictock came to the GB read. But then he says that because Tictock doesn't have clear scumreads, that Tictock is a scum lean? I don't get how a guy can be considered to be pretty townie based off of having a lot of reasonable townreads, but then can end up being net-scummy due to not having clear scumreads. It'd seem to me that you would conclude that the unclear scum reads is a big red flag, mafia can just make up reasons to townread people (especially if you agree with those reads and think the people being townread are actually town, then they're just saying correct things which is easy to do), and so the townreads don't mean anything and he's clear scum. Or, you would say that the townreads are a great reason to townread him early, because they make sense and show that he's engaged with the game. At that point, it would be more reasonable to assume that a relative lack of scumreads is the byproduct of an early game without anybody doing anything obviously suspicious, and is NAI. But surely you can't just say both things and call it virtually a wash (slight scum lean)? If either of them didn't matter you would conclude the other one is important and read Tictock accordingly. If both didn't matter then you would just not have a read. And they're not really constructed in a way that you can think both do matter -- since both of them are good reasons to read someone a certain way, and both lead to divergent conclusions, it stands to reason that one of them is wrong and thus shouldn't matter, and that, coming to this realization, you would review the player and decide which one matters. I felt several of his reads that conclude null/null-ish have similar issues: he describes various behaviors by the player that look like they would be alignment-indicative, but they conclude opposite things, so instead of digging into the players in more depth and detail to resolve the divergent conclusions, he just calls them "null" overall even though they shouldn't be null. He's cited enough behaviors to come to some conclusion about a player, but then manages not to do so. Coupled with the posting style -- few, longer posts, with minimal proactive interaction -- I'm actually inclined to think this guy could be a good lynch.
Meh this a really large post to try and convince yourself to lynch me. Mostly all of those reads were progressively being typed and made as I made it through filters and I like to think out loud. I didn't feel like erasing what I had said about Tictock so far so I just added as my thoughts progressed. It's a progressing read. Early in a game, I wouldn't expect him or many others to have a strong scumread. But as I continued reading, I found more townreads, some really simple, but no scumreads, which started the red flag. And i did decide that the overall content of his filter warranted more of a scumlean whereas had I been around, early, he would've been a townlean that developed into a scumlean once I realized he was lacking scumreads.
All I did was make my read progression from one way to the other transparent as I was making it through his filter. Next time I'll just make a current read and not explain it since that seems to be okay on d1.
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On February 16 2016 08:26 Shapelog wrote:
Damm, I did not roll scum. Saddness....
So has the spawn of Satan done anything on theme with the game?
On February 16 2016 08:46 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 08:39 Tictock wrote:On February 16 2016 08:31 Shapelog wrote:On February 16 2016 08:27 Eden1892 wrote:On February 16 2016 08:26 Shapelog wrote:
Damm, I did not roll scum. Saddness....
So has the spawn of Satan done anything on theme with the game? miller softclaim noted thanks I need that back door....Mines broken Humm, are you burnt-out after pulling out the win for your last mafia team? If i was scum, this statement would be true in this case. But i am no scum so no. Also I can toy with Tumbledore since i just played scum with him 
Shape in one post you say you are sad you aren't scum.
In the next you say you'd be burnt out if you rolled scum.
Can you explain this contradictory psychology?
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