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1st few posts,
On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:
Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog
My reasoning on Shapelog:
Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are:
and
In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before.
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:
Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog
My reasoning on Shapelog:
Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are:
.and
In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before.
On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:
I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel.
I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel.
On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.
First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog
Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)
The bolded section, the main reason for townreading, makes no sense. It's basically, "It doesn't make him look like town, and scum wants to look like town, so he must not be scum." I'd appreciate if you'd explain that point to me.
Next, about the other consistently active players: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien, and Trfel
Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.
Anything I say on darthfoley will be a weak point. He hasn't done much of anything this game to give me a strong opinion on him, so I'm going to call this one a null read.
MexicanAlien looks like a complete townread if you ignore his first ten posts. He started the game off with things like, "We need to figure out a strategy" and "We need information", which would be a sure scumread if he weren't a complete newbie or if he continued like that. Those first few posts set off alarm bells in my head, but I think I was wrong on that one, because he's been a normal contributing member of the town since then.
And everyone else
I have nothing to say about Kuramari and Ikidomari because of how little they've posted and how little they've said. Opinions pending.
JesusIncarnate is weird to me because he was away for the first 15 hours of the game then came back and said half good points and half "sick meme". I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's definitely suspicious in my mind if he doesn't do anything more for the next several hours.
Eden and Alur read town for me, because they seem to be the ones with the most desire to hunt scum in the town. Alur went quiet for a while, but my opinion on him hasn't changed yet. Eden is the more town-leaning of the two.
Nooniansoong (kush?) is a sliiiight scum read for me because he's gotten by doing very little so far. There's definitely not enough, though, there to base a lynch off of.
TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Eden, Alur, MexicanAlien look town. I need to read through this again and see what everyone else did because it's sort of lame having null / very weak reads on 6/12 other players.
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.
First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog
Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)
The bolded section, the main reason for townreading, makes no sense. It's basically, "It doesn't make him look like town, and scum wants to look like town, so he must not be scum." I'd appreciate if you'd explain that point to me.
Next, about the other consistently active players: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien, and Trfel
Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.
Anything I say on darthfoley will be a weak point. He hasn't done much of anything this game to give me a strong opinion on him, so I'm going to call this one a null read.
MexicanAlien looks like a complete townread if you ignore his first ten posts. He started the game off with things like, "We need to figure out a strategy" and "We need information", which would be a sure scumread if he weren't a complete newbie or if he continued like that. Those first few posts set off alarm bells in my head, but I think I was wrong on that one, because he's been a normal contributing member of the town since then.
And everyone else
I have nothing to say about Kuramari and Ikidomari because of how little they've posted and how little they've said. Opinions pending.
JesusIncarnate is weird to me because he was away for the first 15 hours of the game then came back and said half good points and half "sick meme". I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's definitely suspicious in my mind if he doesn't do anything more for the next several hours.
Eden and Alur read town for me, because they seem to be the ones with the most desire to hunt scum in the town. Alur went quiet for a while, but my opinion on him hasn't changed yet. Eden is the more town-leaning of the two.
Nooniansoong (kush?) is a sliiiight scum read for me because he's gotten by doing very little so far. There's definitely not enough, though, there to base a lynch off of.
TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Eden, Alur, MexicanAlien look town. I need to read through this again and see what everyone else did because it's sort of lame having null / very weak reads on 6/12 other players.
Very different approach then from here.
, I like you breaske. But it was not actually directed at Eden as it was mainly directed at the fact if millers were not aware, mafia could take that option without resistance.
