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When I first read Disformation, I felt like he's town. Why: because he started rather active, tried to answer everyone's questions, explained himself in a decent manner. His tone feels like excited town ready to hunt scum, which is basically the impression I get of him as a person. Ritoky on the other hand starts to push disformation kinda hard. His reasoning to call disfo's post bullshit is weak though: On February 04 2016 12:16 ritoky wrote: 1) notifying that he is going out of his way to post from an inconvenient place -> notice me senpai 2) "almost forgot" -> something he must tell us! must be important 3) deferring to nocturnemage a) now confirmed not important b) if town is deferring to someone who's alignment he doesn't know for no reason 4) trying to discredit meta which CAN be a useful tool 5) smiley face cuz clearly "i'm joking gaiz" nothing about this post is good in any way. all of it is legit hot trash. re 1: this is no "notice me senpai", this is a simple information. He was active in the thread before so he explains why he backs off now. I can see disformation in his bed, still posting. And why shouldn't he tell us that he's in bed? Also, a bed never is inconvenient. It's convenient as hell! re 2: "nearly forgot" - that's pretty much why he's posting instead of just reading. Went to bed, read up, said "oh I forgot this", so he posts. He says "yo I forgot this" because he's kinda afraid to be scumread because he said he'd go to bed, not because he wants to put emphasis on what he's saying. re 3, a.: it's beginning of D1. What level of importance are you expecting? re 3, b.: I don't even understand this sentence, there seems to be a verb missing? re 4: how is disformation trying to discredit meta reads? Looks more like "tell me again what you think of meta reads, I don't think you like them?" which does not imply that disformation wants to discredit meta reads. re 5: what kind of argumentation is this even? I have the strong impression that ritoky pushes a towny. Which is not a bad thing by itself, it happens all over again. However, the way he does it feels very shady: constructing a whole lot of reasons over a four line post. And then, if you pull out a rather big reasoning, why do not go the road down until the end and call disfo out as scum? Finally, this: On February 04 2016 12:32 ritoky wrote: your post is bad. you said "remind me" which means you already know the answer so you're not waiting for anything, you're just handing someone who hasn't posted a free entry excuse into the thread for no reason, and this post is just as bad. i am gonna lynch this guy if i keep reading his posts regardless of how i feel about his alignment. i think i am just gonna not read his posts, and when i get a TR sheep their read on him. "I am gonna lynch you even if you're town"? "I am going to ignore your post because I just made up a bad reasoning on why they suck"? Plus, I have the impression that ritoky interacts with a lot of people, however he doesn't settle on someone yet. I think that's enough for me to place my vote. ##vote ritoky | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote: I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously. When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah. I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet. | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:47 ritoky wrote: you don't have time to read the thread, only time to skim a couple pages, but then you have enough time to type a multi-paragraph case on someone? mhmmmm. i don't even understand your post. why does anything you said make me mafia? especially considering you have 0 context for any of it. "ritoky interacts with a ton of people"? what does this even mean for a reason? i ask questions and push for reads and thus am mafia? likewat? I read the thread fully. Maybe the word I use is bad: "skim". I think it means that I've read the thread, however I didn't put too much emphasis on everything but instead concentrated on what feels important to me, which in this case would be the interaction between you and disformation. How do you not understand my post? here's a tl;dr: you make up reasons to call disfo's post shit. I have all context for it that I need Oo, the context of the interaction. Regarding the interaction with others: you don't push for reads, you ask random questions to seemingly push for reads imho. You do not follow up, only if you're forced to (as you were when someone asked why you call disfo's post shit). I don't think that's town indicative. Even now you don't reasonably argue why what I say is wrong, instead you say "I dont understand, you lie". The only real argument you say is the last one, and it's a weak one so far. | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:55 Rels wrote: What I called out was something similar to " fly under the radar", why is it not scum indicative here ? I don't feel he is "pushing anyone too hard" too ? Meta off one game (his first scum game too ?) is kinda irrelevant anyway. Of course it's scum indicative but we have D1. How about letting the thread develop some more ours and then start to look into what darthfoley's doing? | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:03 Rels wrote: How is that not what I'm doing ? I'm calling out what I see and asking question, not advocating people to vote for him. I only talked more about him because you and ritoky answered my post. I don't understand why you are calling me out on that. I'm not calling you out on that, I simply said what I'd to. I voiced my opinion on your thoughts. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word. What? I townread disformation Oo | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:13 Palmar wrote: by he I mean ritoky the point is, he broke down every single thing ritoky said and I didn't get the impression any of it was just "meh" If ritoky is mafia because of the post he made it's because one of his reasons or something is bullshit. nvm my last post then, sorry | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:10 ritoky wrote: because i think there is a problem in translation here is why i don't understand it. i called his post bad because it is bad. but bad does not necessitate mafia. it is a poor post regardless of alignment and i am undecided on his alignment partially because it was so bad. here's what his post did in an expanded version: 1) contrary to what a lot of coaches teach these days about keeping the thread updated on when you're leaving, what you're doing, etc; i find that shit to rub me the wrong way and just be a pile of "notice how much extra i care everyone". maybe that's residual shit from when BH owned me by faking he was moving, but it always reads scummy to me. 2) he then says "oh i almost forgot". this implies that the thought he had while in bed on his phone was so important that he had to post from a state of inconvenience in order to notify the thread of what it was. now this is crap already cuz the game is 5 hrs old, but i will entertain it. however he then addresses nocturnemage who hasn't posted at this point with his post......something super important but directed at a person with 0 posts. 3) firstly he is giving NM a free entry into the thread, when mafia often times find entries particularly difficult and you have players like me and like palmar in the game who are quite good at spotting bad entries (if palmar is town obv). secondly instead of making a point or joke about metas like he wants to instead he is trying to defer to someone else who historically doesn't like meta reads to shit on them for him. what point does this have? what does this serve? it gains us nothing and loses us information. if you want to make jokes about meta and shit on meta then just do it instead of trying to bring someone else in. 4) then the smiley at the end just so everyone knows it was all a joke.....sight. that said disfo's enthusiasm, tone, and filter length indicates he is town. but some of his posts are turds. so he is neutral, but i know myself; certain people and the way they play the more i read of their posts the more i am gonna wanna lynch them for the way they post/talk/act/type; regardless of its bearing on their alignment. the posts were bad, they were net negative posts regardless of his alignment, and he shouldn't post like that. I mean, okay, you elaborated on your first explanation on why disformation's post was shit, okay, granted. But I can't find new information in that huge chunk. You basically repeat what you said the first time already. And I don't understand why you go at him so hard yet refrain from a scum read! You basically say "well guys, he's so bad, here is reason #1-#5, and yeah, I'm going to ignore him" - why don't you just say "well boxerfred is bad, I'm going to ignore him"? Instead you even defend your points although that doesn't make sense, since he's a - what, a town read of yours? I don't understand this. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:24 Rels wrote: BF: (1) You think people that puts"big reasonning" should be calling their targets scum. (2) I put some reasonning as to why darth could be scum, I'm not even calling him scum mind you; but you still think my read on him is too strong. Can you explain why you react differently to two situations that seems extremely similar ? Yes. In (1), ritoky lists a whole lot of reasons, making a "big reasoning". I simply do not think that (2) is some kind of "big reasoning" but more of a side note. It's "this guy is really bad and anti-town but I'm not drawing conclusions out of it" vs. "I think this is mafia indicative but I'm not drawing conclusions yet" imho. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:37 Koshi wrote: This sentence I can agree with. Also for the amount of posts ritoky made I don't know about him yet. Which is odd. Thanks for putting emphasis on this, it almost went unnoticed. This "I'm going to ignore disformation" thing is strange for various reasons: 1. ritoky has no reason to not think that disformation will be a valuable towny, especially since he said he's town reading him (he did so, didn't he?) 2. the part of ritoky's post I refer to in that sentence seems to be kinda angry, but not really. Where's the point then? It just derails town. 3. ritoky completely ignores this part of my case when he answers, up until now | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:48 Palmar wrote: I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh. It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter. But you do realize that this "overquote" thing you say is part of my case against ritoky, right? He went overboard with his explanation to why disformation is bad. | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:06 ritoky wrote: because in my heart i am an educator, i want people to get better; people won't learn to rid themselves of terrible play or bad habits unless they are informed otherwise or punished for them. While this is nice, it doesn't change a thing. | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:07 Palmar wrote: Also bf sort of doesn't really sound like mafia. I find it weird that he would go after the entirety of ritoky's post, it's a massive stretch, but I guess there's not really much that has happened in the game, so maybe stretches are the best he's got. He's at least actually trying to do something. I like that he actually is keeping the pressure on ritoky despite some pushback, this last post about ritoky just rehashing the information sounds like genuinely believes that he has something there. Could you then, instead of looking at me, look at ritoky and review my case? | ||
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I see a pattern: push someone, and as soon as the realization happens that noone is quickly jumping the train, refrain from the final "you're scum" call and instead go down the "bad town" route, which is not constructive nor helpful. | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:19 ritoky wrote: boxerfred, you're wrong. move on. On February 04 2016 20:11 boxerfred wrote: Thanks for putting emphasis on this, it almost went unnoticed. This "I'm going to ignore disformation" thing is strange for various reasons: 1. ritoky has no reason to not think that disformation will be a valuable towny, especially since he said he's town reading him (he did so, didn't he?) 2. the part of ritoky's post I refer to in that sentence seems to be kinda angry, but not really. Where's the point then? It just derails town. 3. ritoky completely ignores this part of my case when he answers, up until now | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:24 marvellosity wrote: that's silly. we talked about this on irc, multi-family teams are almost designed for mafia to be able to look super good. pun intended Hm yeah, I can see this scenario. However one push doesn't make a tunnel. I have time for Mafia, I even scheduled time windows to be able to fucking play. So I won't limit myself to one case D1, don't worry. Also, if I die N1, your pretty screwed imho, so if this is really town on town, it goes both ways, whoever dies of us. If it's one of us. | ||
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Koshi I like that you townread me but what about scum? | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:44 justanothertownie wrote: Did you pledge to post less this game? This isn't like you so far. Why is everyone talking about bf making some points against ritoky which is completely nai instead of talking about the arguments instead? Palmar is the main culprit here. You don't get to generalize like this and then call bf potentially mafia for it. Your backtrack just now doesn't make it better either. Yep, why do you do it? I mean, you talk about Palmar instead of referring to my points, while you blame everyone to not talk about my points. Why? And what do you think about my points about ritoky? Also, disformation, I expect huge things now. You're so silent now, are you not awake? Not reading? It's weird that you're not here. | ||
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I say that if I die, ritoky does not look good because he was pushed rather hard by me. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:21 boxerfred wrote: I say that if I die, ritoky does not look good because he was pushed rather hard by me. ebwop: "If one of us dies next night, the other one will look bad", to explain the "it's one of us" part. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:23 disformation wrote: I got up like 25mins ago and am drinking my first coffee. Also have some stuff to do so I can't play 24/7. No clue why anyone would expect great things from the worst player in the game, but sure I can try. You have a lot of town cred going for you, live up to that. What do you think about ritoky's push on you? What do you think about Palmar's reaction to my case? | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:21 boxerfred wrote: I say that if I die, ritoky does not look good because he was pushed rather hard by me. Erm I think I mixed up a quote here. I was going to quote ritoky's "If I die N1, you're gonna get lynched D2" post but I guess I confused some tabs. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:32 Rels wrote: I'm pretty you meant to answer this post: And instead you answered to this post that is just above: I have no idea how you managed to do that. Yeah, you sniped me. It's easy. Browsertab 1: thread. Then I open "quote post" in a new tab whenever I feel like I want to answer something. Must've changed tabs or missclicked the wrong post. | ||
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ritoky - scum palmar - dunno, don't like his reaction to my post, scumlean disformation - town jat - he came in and it felt like he read the thread but answered to very specific things only. it's a stomach feeling but it's a bad feeling. problem is that I actually like what he's saying. hmm i dunno. rels - seems focused on darthfoley and me, didn't drop any other reads (afaik, i went over his filter real quick, might've missed something). I'd townlean him. marv - drops some town reads but isn't too scumhunting too much. last time he rolled scum he made a game to be rerolled which got him banned (or so?) so I'd actually give him a scumlean. high expectations vs. reality and so on. nocturnemage, darthfoley: both disappeared a little bit, not liking that. scumleans I think those are most thoughts on people that I have. Noct | ||
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trying to do it until eod. | ||
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On February 05 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote: I don't know what you mean with that semi-quote. You're saying I dictated how the town played in my first game ever while rolling scum, all while not pushing anyone too hard? "this is how we play now, okay"?? I think you're forgetting that I got lynched and lost the game with like 7 town left lol. Could you explain this better? I tried flying under the radar or I tried establishing myself as town? Aren't these strategies (generally) mutually exclusive? I bring this up not to harp on an old game, but I do think it's a bit weird the way you've framed my scum play. I find it pretty false actually. Perhaps Kush can comment on this, considering he's now played two games with me? [...] Yeah, I just re-looked at Unoriginal Name mafia, and you're right. I remembered you playing like "Hey guys, this is what I am going to do now since that's what a good townie should do". I did not mean to say that you lead town to do stuff. I remember your thread entering in particular, it was all like naive "hi guys, I'm new, blabla". Bad wording on my side, plus a false memory. | ||
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This PM stuff kinda sucks. I mean, disformation could've sent a PM and got the answer, which would mod-confirm him as town aligned. Or, he could not have sent a PM at all and instead just pretended that he doesn't know, pretending to send a PM. I think disformation has just been modconfirmed town or pulled the boldest scum play in the history of ever. | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:31 marvellosity wrote: i'm inclined to agree although this is why host interactions shouldn't be talked about in the thread Yes, exactly this. | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:34 Chezinu wrote: Confusion is of the darkside... Can we lynch this guy? He's not contributing, just derailing the thread, and there's no need for someone like this to survive a day where chances to hit scum are the lowest anyways. | ||
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On February 05 2016 22:22 justanothertownie wrote: Why him and not Kush, Onegu or Moosy? He's actively derailing the thread. Reactions to his posts are pure bullshit and do not help. Basically "doing nothing" (Onegu, MD) vs. "actively derailing town and doing nothing else" (Chezinu) | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:55 nooniansoong wrote: I will usually start off playing a more standard scum game, then I'll try to do some bold stuff to make up for my lack of actvity. So d1 = standard. d2+ = bold. But this game is under special circumstances, so I'm not arguing that you should be townreading me. Because I could easily do this as scum. IN fact if I were scum this game, I'd probably be playing exactly how I'm playing now. Nevertheless, I'll defend myself. 1 There are probably people who have put less effort than even me into this game. You might want to lynch them instead of me. 2 There is a slight possibility that d2 or 3 I will start to care. The caveat to this is that I will still be pretty useless because I'll have no idea what's going on. This is so bad. 1) gives a feeling of "lazy scum". "Hey guys, lynch the afk'ers. I mean, yes, you could lynch me, but there are still the afk'ers." 2) "slight possibility I will start to care"? At this point, if you're town, I want you to play for your fucking win condition. Which means, a) read the thread and WORK, or b), replace the fuck out. | ||
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On February 05 2016 22:27 justanothertownie wrote: Well, Kush is posting and not contributing. Basically the same as chezinu according to your logic. Same goes for moosy. The only hardcore lurker is Onegu. Give me a second. I'm on page 35. I'm not liking Kush even a tiny bit (see my latest post). Don't pin me down on that "who'd you prefer" thing, I don't really see the sense of that question. I'd prefer to lynch a scum member over an inactive one (especially since Onegu said in this and in the other game he's in that he's ill (afaik, might confuse something) so I believe him). | ||
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On February 05 2016 08:06 ritoky wrote: my town is something like: ritoky, rels, jat, disfo, darth maybe town is like: damdred, marv, koshi, kush fuck you is: boxerfred and i think there's probably a mafia between VA and NM. wow almost missed this gem. can I put this in my tl sig? | ||
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On February 05 2016 08:10 disformation wrote: I got parroting, looks constructed and pushing/scum reading the most convenient target in noon. Also the timing of that post + lotsa excuses. Did I miss something? Gut agrees with one scum between VA and NM. Head can't figure out which one is more likely. Can you guys (ritoky, disformation) elaborate on why there is one scum between VA and NM? | ||
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On February 05 2016 08:12 Damdred wrote: The post is cherry picking things to make people look bad in a simplistic way. For w ample when he looks at me he takes my first post of the day and acts like I have no reads after that? Why do I have to talk about town reads specifically. The Ritoky scum lean is also bad because it's over simplistic approach to how Ritojy is handling the game just isn't true. Rit has been pressuring people and giving space to some etc. To say what he did is just a misconception And kush feels like low hanging fruit at this point and the thread is going against him. Overall it doesn't feel like he's really read the thread in context I totally agree with this except the ritoky part. I feel like he's getting away too easy from my points. Kush being the top lynchbait currently makes sense, yep, but I'm wondering why noone jumped on him easily if he's town. I mean, scum could easily push him now. | ||
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On February 05 2016 22:36 boxerfred wrote: Can you guys (ritoky, disformation) elaborate on why there is one scum between VA and NM? Okay, seen ritoky: On February 05 2016 08:21 ritoky wrote: idk i have never been town in a game with NM in it. i guess i expected him to be more compelling and i am thus far underwhelmed. On February 05 2016 08:22 ritoky wrote: plus their fighting just doesn't feel like town v town. it's not super tunnely, it's not shitfighting, it's not full of conviction...it just lacks that edge of someone who is married to a terrible read fighting with someone for a clearly dogshit reason. hm. not sure if those are good or bad explanations. | ||
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On February 05 2016 14:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: VayneAuthority Onegu Koshi And we have our Mafia ##Vote: VayneAuthority afaik we have four mafia | ||
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On February 05 2016 22:45 marvellosity wrote: no it doesn't. and you should know better than to think that I know but I'm pissed at this shit | ||
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On February 05 2016 14:50 Damdred wrote: Surprised you and nm didn't catch it playing the game. moosey scum team is va, oneg and koshi. Ehats wrong with that team yeah | ||
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On February 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote: A little over the top, don't you think? no. I failed at my last two or three games early on since I haven't had time. Now this happens. I'd love to vote for MD/Chez and I can isntantly pop up questions like "why those guys now, why not ritoky, why not kush?" those guys ruin the game. No way Onegu, Chez, MD, Kush are all mafia. So every single townie among those four should get the fuck out of this game. | ||
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On February 05 2016 22:53 marvellosity wrote: especially from a player who occasionally does less than nothing as town himself....... oh, same goes for scum, check my last scum game. | ||
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Basically, the way Chezinu and Moosy approach this game pisses me off. Given that nooniansong also seems to not give a fuck makes me re-think if I really want to put in the (little) time I already have in those games. I signed up for this game to have fun and participate a lot. Contrary to my latest games, I've fully read the thread despite rolling town which I normally do not like that much. I tend to not put any effort into the game if I am town, instead I go really low and don't watch the thread too closely. I do not have a problem with low activity players but I do have a problem with people that just screw up the thread. I can't believe that all four of Onegu, Chezinu, MoosyDoosy and nooniansong are mafia. However, Chezinu's and MD's posting styles make it really hard for me to stay calm and analyze shit. My case on ritoky might've not been the best one, but it was solid. The kind of one-liner conversation that we mainly had in the last 25 pages is something that I think does not bring town on a good way to find scum. So, to stay constructive, I'd even refrain from my ritoky case now and leave it standing. People can bring that up later in the game. I strongly recommend to lynch between Chezinu, nooniansong, MoosyDoosy and Onegu, and I'd actually add Koshi to that list since I have the impression that he doesn't do much for town. Among those four (five) players, nooniansong is the obvious lynch target. Bad defence, no contribution for town. Same goes for Moosy and Chez, those guys even derail the thread into plain bullshit. Onegue, while being sick (which I believe), is someone who I can hardly read anyways. MoosyDoosy has his dumbtell of 3 vs. 4 mafia going for him, can't see this guy actually pulling this play as scum. So there's Chezinu and nooniansong left. Well, nooniansong should IMHO, if he's town, indeed replace the fuck out of this game, while I don't feel that Chez will be usefull anytime soon. Given that I agree on ritoky's/disformation's idea of one scum between NocturneMage and VayneAuthority, I feel like we should lynch one of them and shoot the other one at night. NM vs. Vayne didn't feel like town on town. Especially NM felt forced, his arguments weren't too good. However I liked his later explanations of them. So. I'd say we lynch nooniansong. He's the "most likely to be mafia" player of all in my eyes. Chez is not worth a vig shot (yet), I'd rather use the vig shot to kill NM or Vayne. I'd prefer to lynch NM and shoot Vayne or the other way around. Oh yeah, and I still haven't read 42+. | ||
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On February 05 2016 20:52 marvellosity wrote: well, it's just like. at the start i liked bf's zeal in going after ritoky. i can't tell if the continuing certainty is quite warranted, and if it's not warranted, i'm not sure that's scummy, but it's a little something. kinda raised my eyebrow at him bringing up him being shot and ritoky looking bad. that's kinda a level or two too much for what's going on between them. again, could be pretty zealous town or mafia making too much out of that whole read also i feel his treatment of disinformation is a little weird. like he's SO CERTAIN THAT he's town, SO EARLY AND CONSISTENTLY. saying he has "huge amounts of town cred" and also a post where he says he's "surprised disfo isn't here". Why? Why is he surprised? Should he be there at all times? Does it matter if he's not there if boxerfred is heavily townreading him? It's just kinda odd tbh. | ||
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On February 05 2016 20:52 marvellosity wrote: well, it's just like. at the start i liked bf's zeal in going after ritoky. i can't tell if the continuing certainty is quite warranted, and if it's not warranted, i'm not sure that's scummy, but it's a little something. kinda raised my eyebrow at him bringing up him being shot and ritoky looking bad. that's kinda a level or two too much for what's going on between them. again, could be pretty zealous town or mafia making too much out of that whole read also i feel his treatment of disinformation is a little weird. like he's SO CERTAIN THAT he's town, SO EARLY AND CONSISTENTLY. saying he has "huge amounts of town cred" and also a post where he says he's "surprised disfo isn't here". Why? Why is he surprised? Should he be there at all times? Does it matter if he's not there if boxerfred is heavily townreading him? It's just kinda odd tbh. Overall, disformation's posting style feels town to me. The mod thingy just made that stronger. I was surpirsed disformation wasn't in the thread because it was afternoon in germany, same timezones and shit, and I expected him to be in the thread. And, as you can see if you read the following posts, he indeed was in the thread. And yes it does matter because disformation can basically lean back on my hard townread, rub his hands and say "look at this bf fool, he's townreading me, lol I don't even need to post shit". I expected him to instantly post after this if he really was town. which he did. | ||
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On February 05 2016 23:16 marvellosity wrote: If you think we very likely have a mafia between 2 people, why would you want to lynch outside that basically on policy? I'm not lynching nooniansong on policy, I'm saying we lynch him due to his bad defences and his idgaf approach which makes me think he's the scum guy in the four guys I initially mentioned. Regarding NM and VA, I have no idea who of them is the scum one. If we lynch between them, we should shoot the other guy if the lynch flips town. I'm describing scenarios, I have not decided yet (or did you see a ##vote nooniansong somewhere?) stop nagging on me and instead get to the content on my psots, or just vote me and shut the fuck up | ||
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On February 05 2016 23:21 justanothertownie wrote: I don't understand. Why is chez not worth a vig shot exactly? Why should we lynch NM? Gut. If we decide between NM/VA, i'd lynch NM because I feel if there is indeed a scum between those two, it's more likely to be NM than VA. Chez is not worth a vig shot because while he's being bad, he can still be ignored and lynched/shot later. | ||
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On February 05 2016 23:24 justanothertownie wrote: Could you please explain in your own words why you think there is a mafia between NM and VA? Basically, gut. And the fact that VA disappeared while NM had to defend himself heavily. Makes me think that one of them enjoys the other one being attacked. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:30 Palmar wrote: I think hero is a bit pompous for my taste, I think maybe a "savior" would be better suited for me. uh-oh palmar, nomen est omen you better not be a tr8tor | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf[ritoky] might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word. This post is good. On February 04 2016 19:19 Palmar wrote: ritoky did you ever explain why you have a dumb reason to TR jat? This post follows up on an inquiry to ritoky. It is good. On February 04 2016 19:28 Palmar wrote: I am also somewhat close to starting to try to lynch marv, it's almost noon his time. On February 04 2016 19:41 Palmar wrote: I do like how I summoned marv though This is also good. On February 04 2016 19:48 Palmar wrote: I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh. It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter. Another follow up on the initial "ritoky is scum because of his shit about disformation" and it is good. Wants marv, gets marv, tries to get marv started, it's good. On February 04 2016 20:01 Palmar wrote: bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit coming back on me when I ignored one of his questions, this is good. comes back to ritoky, doesn't drop it although thread sentiment already dropped the ritoky topic, this is good. And most interestingly: On February 04 2016 22:50 Palmar wrote: No, why not? There is a very easy explanation (and there's also a reason I say technically). When I'm town and marv is mafia, he doesn't like dealing with me. He generally sort of avoids it and tries to take the high road of "i'm always shit early / day 1". There's also a tone thing (which is usually how I catch him, he just sounds off) which often involves him lacking the standard marv sass, if only just slightly. So when he actually sort of engages with me and questions me, while also remaining sassy enough to fire back a joke like that (it's a reference to me saying the same thing to him earlier in the game), it feels both tonally right and situationally right. now the problem of course is marv is good at mafia, but seeing as he quit a game recently just because he rolled one, it's super hard for me to believe he'd actually try this game as scum, instead of just trying to afk through a day or two in hopes of picking off players who might get him lynched,. Do you genuinely believe that this is irrelevant or do you think my explanation is reasonable? tbh I don't see Palmar being scum for the reasons marv says. But I'm not impressed by marv so far. And Palmar says that marv doesn't like dealing with him, boom, Palmar not here, marv sets up Palmar for the lynch. marv are you scum? | ||
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oh sorry for correcting myself without having to do it sorry for not misleading town into further discussion about a wrong topic wow koshi get out | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:15 disformation wrote: Shennanies onto no vote?^^ xD What's wrong with you? Read into Palmar/noonian and drop some reads. | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:17 NocturneMage wrote: He already did, and he couldn't read Noon for shit prior tbf. Do it again then? Look into others? | ||
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On February 06 2016 05:00 Zyrre wrote: Voting Palmar for now. Aaaand scum confirmed | ||
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On February 06 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote: Really bad post. Feels like you are scrambling to find your "own" reason to scumread him so you can join the wagon while it would be perfectly enough to just blatantly sheep. Absolutely yes. Shennannies be onto Zyrre! | ||
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On February 06 2016 05:08 justanothertownie wrote: No. To me it seems like YOU and Palmar will be the 2 wagons. Although Zyrre wouldn't be a bad lynch either in case something changes my mind about Palmar. Why exactly Palmar? In your own words, please don't give me a "marv said blah" | ||
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On February 06 2016 05:11 justanothertownie wrote: I made several posts about that in "my own words". I made posts about Palmar being scummy before marv did anything in that regard. Read the goddamn game. I did, that's I say "exactly". Basically I want to know why you lynch Palmar over Kush in like 3 sentences. | ||
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b. lynch the player who is afk but known to be a decent townie, who had a good and townie looking start I can't understand why you all go for Palmar over nooniansong. I'm out. I'm cop. Bye. | ||
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On February 06 2016 05:14 justanothertownie wrote: And why? Do you think I am mafia or what? It's all in my filter and I don't really care to repeat myself any more than I already did. ![[image loading]](http://45.media.tumblr.com/bcd76a477235b372075f68a6ad6992ac/tumblr_o1tty2Gd3u1re3x32o1_250.gif) | ||
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On February 06 2016 05:18 justanothertownie wrote: a. all true and fine but there is a chance that Kush does this as town b. how wrong can you say something? Palmar did NOT have a good and townie looking start. The opposite is true and that combined with the fact that like you said he is known to be a decent townie is a very good reason to lynch him. okay you're right lynch him ![[image loading]](http://49.media.tumblr.com/bc33066f057d7b6ec01574212f8e0ca7/tumblr_o1a2opxp7R1re3x32o1_250.gif) | ||
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On February 06 2016 05:21 ritoky wrote: i am content with marvs case on palmar, and palmar's lack of thread presence + clear indication of target or person he plans to sheep is an okay reason to lynch him. noon is probably town for reasons i am not allowed to speak about yet. i am kinda considering a koshi lynch tbh, he doesn't scream town. plus he left saying he "100% disagrees with the lynch" while doing nothing koshi-like to fight it. that's super hipster of him, and town koshi burns with passion, isn't a hipster. what might those be? ![[image loading]](http://49.media.tumblr.com/4405cc227c8748e5d68153c79b7df7a1/tumblr_o10sseWBYO1re3x32o1_400.gif) | ||
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Wait. So if it's against the rules, but you draw conclusions from something that's against the rules, does that mean you broke the rules? ![[image loading]](http://49.media.tumblr.com/4be84b72d560e0341d0abea2ad092848/tumblr_o10s6zEj681re3x32o1_500.gif) | ||
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On February 06 2016 06:03 disformation wrote: Is it just me or did a bunch of ppl gtfo of the thread as soon as Palmar hit a lot votes? -.- OH REALLY do you want to imply that Palmar is a bad lynch? YES! | ||
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On February 06 2016 06:10 disformation wrote: zyrre, boxer, ritoky, noon Tells me that apparently all the ppl are pretty with where their vote is or they do not care. Which makes me nervous. what the fuck im still here i never left here ##unvote #vote Zyrre or nooniansong or whoever | ||
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On February 06 2016 06:18 justanothertownie wrote: Noon is off wagon. And I don't see ritoky really trying to get another wagon going at all. Koshi is not a realistic wagon and he knows that himself. Or which one are you talking about? Boxer is continuing to act extremely erratic and weird. and he's going to continue that until people start lynching nooniansong over Palmar. Or Zyrre. ![[image loading]](http://45.media.tumblr.com/197c474d96441836474ac9659b9d912c/tumblr_nyt3j7Mr5d1re3x32o1_250.gif) | ||
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On February 06 2016 06:21 disformation wrote: Wasn't I super town just earlier? At least I got the thread to talk again. Mission accomplished.  Yep and then you failed to contribute a single thing. | ||
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On February 06 2016 06:41 nooniansoong wrote: remember when you were the roleblocker and you died d1... fun times. Yes it was so fun! I absolutely enjoyed it! It was great! gtfo | ||
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On February 06 2016 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: aaaand boxer still can't read me lolol @_@ You think you're a cool kid because after three games of mafia, you go down the unreadable road, right? Lol. ##vote MoosyDoosy locked until you're dead. | ||
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On February 06 2016 21:07 Rels wrote: boxerfred any update on your Palmar read after his last posts ? No. Why would "I'm not mafia" affect my read in any way? I don't care too much tbh though I'm still pissed. I'm going to vote for MD day 2 and be useless, joining chez/MD/kush in that matter. | ||
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On February 06 2016 21:27 Rels wrote: Dunno, it's your read not mine. It changed my read on him from "scum" to "100% scum". So you still townread him. Why do you want to vig shoot a super valuable town if you townread him ? Right, doesn't make sense. Guess I'm not townreading Palmar anymore then for whatever reasons? Lol #tilt like I care | ||
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On February 07 2016 02:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: I forget how ritoky read Palmar earlier in the day and its progression throughout. Palmar is probably scum. boxerfred is probably scum. noon is very poor right now. You keep being bad, it's so fun. | ||
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Basically, if Palmar flips scum, I'm fucked since I said he's town. If he flips town, I'm fucked since "HOW COULD YOU KNOW THAT BOXERFRED HOW COULD YOU BE SO SURE". Here are my mistakes for post-game: letting myself rage hard at people like Moosy, Chez and nooniansong and their styles of posting. If I consider to play some more mafia games, I should learn to deal with that. I think the vig shot is still better on nooniansong by the way. | ||
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Okay I'll cop-check confirmed town in disformation then so I can fin(n)d scum next night yo | ||
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Can you please answer that? | ||
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On February 08 2016 00:12 Rels wrote: I read Palmar's filter. He is the lynch today whatever happens. In addition of the "marv read" (him being active but with no direction the first 24 hours), the biggest thing is how he was AFK the whole Friday, and he never explained it. A townie would never do that; if he knew he needed to AFK 24 hours he would say it (especially since the pressure was on him before he disappeared), if it was unexpected he would have said a word in thread. This attitude is extremely scum indicative. This is what I and Superbia did during PyP; super active early, then having a much harder time to post all the time later. I'm not saying he didn't have something to do BTW, maybe he did; I'm saying his attitude regarding how he AFK was scum. This might indicate BF as town. It's early in the game, nobody is quite under suspicions yet, Palmar knows he's good at creating wagons, I don't think he would create suspicions on his teammate ? Plus I think he is known for not bussing, even if this can be broken for one particular game of course. Later he rescinded this read so I'm not sure it is very AI actually. Koshi explain your tell please. Rels this does not indicate me being town. in this post: On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word. Palmar refers to ritoky not me. | ||
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On February 08 2016 00:35 Rels wrote: Yep that's what I said. My point is: Palmar said you might be scum at a time when noone was really suspected => you're not scum with him. Maybe ? It doesn't feel super strong actually. I don't understand that. On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word. This is what Palmar says. Instead of "bf", he wanted to say "ritoky". So no, he doesn't say I'm scummy, he says RITOKY is scummy. Am I dumb for not seeing what you mean? | ||
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On February 08 2016 00:55 Rels wrote: He really said you were scummy. The sentence should read: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point ritoky made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word. You have to replace the "he", not the "bf". lol okay. That means I have understood that sentence correctly for the first time just now. | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:14 nooniansoong wrote: Lol rels you are going way too deep with this vca. To me it looks like scum killed strong town players who weren't likely to be protected. That would mean that scum hit with their weird big gun and no vig shot was fired. It feels a bit like TMI what you're saying. You're a bit too sure. | ||
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On February 08 2016 02:35 disformation wrote: The big gun only kills power roles. None of the flipped ppl were a power role. oh okay. lol what a bad vig shot then | ||
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On February 08 2016 02:41 Rels wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aoQJm6p.jpg) BF, there is a scum vig role. It was talked about in thread so I have no idea how you could miss it. looks like I should read more then :< | ||
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On February 08 2016 05:03 marvellosity wrote: So you think I just randomly attacked 2 of my buddies in Va and palmar? Are you totally insane? Why wouldn't you do this as mafia? Puts great light on you. | ||
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On February 09 2016 01:50 boxerfred wrote: Hey guys. Just came back from carnival, am kinda drunk, won't do a thing now since we're all locked on Palmar anyways. I tend to be mislynched as soon as I afk from the thread, so keep that in mind if someone considers me a better lynch than Palmar. On February 09 2016 02:05 Shapelog wrote: Vote Count - Day 2 Palmar (10): marvellosity, disformation, Koshi, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, MoosyDoosy, Rels, nooniansoong, darthfoley, boxerfred boxerfred (1): Chezinu Not voted (2): Palmar, Onegu At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched. Day 2 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. | ||
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On February 09 2016 07:15 NocturneMage wrote: boxerfred am I misunderstanding or why are you suggesting you'd be lynched? you're misunderstanding. I'm just saying that I tend to be mislynched once I afk because I'm not great at establishing myself as town. Chezinu voted me which feels damn scummy to me. Im in bed now, gnite. | ||
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Noted. This post is a great indicator that MD had not read the thread when he started to inquire reads from people. He also only follows others in his reads. Lots of pretended activity and participation. Koshi indeed feels wishywashy, would love to listen to his reads if there are any. Marv confirmed town after the Palmar flip, Rels and LightningStrike are not scum together for the reaction to the thread entry from Rels which makes me hard townread Rels. LS remains a null. Chez should be scum at this point. Scum probably Chez, nooniansong, MD, LS, Koshi. Maybe do some PoE? | ||
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On February 09 2016 18:10 Rels wrote: The bold makes no sense. "LS and Rels not together, LS null => means Rels is town!" This post feels scummy TBH. Yeah, it's kinda weird. Here's the thought process: Premises: Onegu => null/scummy Rels => town lean Actions: Rels goes nuts on LS' entry because he didn't realize he replaced into the thread. Conclusion: Rels and LS are not both scum. Why: Rels would've checked in scum qt for the replacement, I guess scum qt would be full of "where's onegu omg" so he'd check that first and would not be surprised at all. That makes me think that Rels is town, in disregard of Onegu's actual alignment. | ||
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On February 04 2016 13:13 Chezinu wrote: Red 3 standing by. His very entry to the thread. "Hey, my PM has some flavour to it, I am vanilla town." After that claim, he basically disappears into randomness. He's not participating in a good way D1. Here is a list of absolutely useless posts: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2016 14:54 Chezinu wrote: I'll be threading the Stone Needle. On February 05 2016 04:40 Chezinu wrote: I see a problem with this analogy. Did He need saving? Does one die to save himself or another? Well, one could die to self figuratively for the sake of another benefiting.. and by doing so.. loses himself and thus saves himself! It could be true for peoples... but for Him... He needed not saving to begin with. He died for another.. in fact for his enemies.. He showed the greatest love to his enemies. So dear Koshi, how does us lynching you bring you your salvation? On February 05 2016 04:45 Chezinu wrote: That's right guys. I R Chez. He is a story: In the shadows, lurks my follower. He watches as I play. He learns the effort in which I play. Free from death, Free from shame, I post without restraint. For Chez himself knows not what will come next, but knows the methods to which he takes. He knows not what it fully entails, but each day posting learns a little more. Who am I, what is my method? How do I play? How do I win? One day, in a life to come, Chez will know the way he plays. On February 05 2016 04:57 Chezinu wrote: Hey guys, Does anyone here know of any Jedi that can assist me? I was reading this book that says time is all relative and that the future can be the past or present. depending on the net time-forced applied on the system or medium you dwell. It speaks a a distance universe far far away. The author claims to have spoken to an inhabitant in a galaxy in this distant verse. I was wondering if a Jedi can help channel communication with this individual. I heard I needed to invest some resources and ship them to his galaxy in order to claim my interest in the future, but I lost the address when I lost the book. A Jedi would be useful to contact this individual. Could anyone here help me? This is followed by derailing and trolling with the whole "disformation vs. the Chezinu rule": + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2016 05:52 Chezinu wrote: ##unvote ##vote disformation So, unfortunate for you... Btw, you can help by finding me a Jedi so I can contact an individual in a galaxy far far away in a time long from now. I need to talk to him to find out the address, so I can send him my resources. He will have invest these resources and pay me more. I just need to send him money now. PLEASE HALPS! On February 05 2016 06:34 Chezinu wrote: Confusion is of the darkside... Followed by, wait for it, more uselessness: + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2016 06:36 Chezinu wrote: Welcome to the Brown Side, where Colors Do Matter! On February 05 2016 07:49 Chezinu wrote: Hey guys, Do you think the force is real? like you know... the Jedi force. On February 05 2016 07:57 Chezinu wrote: UUMMMMMMMM UMMMMMMM UMMMMMMMMM Jeeeediiiiii... Jeeediiiiii... Jeeeeeeediiiiiiiii... This is the force speaking! come and help Chez He needs you to talk Come to Chez JeeediiiiiUUMMMMMMMM JeeediiiiiUMMMMMMM JeeediiiiiUMMMMMMMMM I'm actually stopping to quote the useless posts now, because I do not want to paste the whole page 2 of his filter here. Some blahblah about "I graduated from Jedi Academy", more bullshit. But then, there's an interesting series of posts in his filter: + Show Spoiler + From a disformation vote (trolly or not, it was a huge derailing), he likes Palmar, the GF. Then throws in another name, nooniansong. Then ends up calling out Zyrre, a VT. And boom, at last, he says "I randomly copy pasted names" to render everything he just said useless. This is not "brown magic", this is not even non-valuable bullshit. This is clearly derailing the thread, actively creating confusion, trying to mislead people. I mean, those are his townreads, right? Well, after rendering his list useless by "i just copy pasted", he goes again to it: On February 05 2016 14:30 Chezinu wrote: Here is a list of answer Chezinu provided in the game: Chezinu Palmar nooniansoong Zyrre Interesting picks I must say. "Hey, here are townreads. Hey, no, kidding. Hey, yes, indeed." Had to think of this (00:59). Like, what is this even? A bit later, more on Palmar: On February 06 2016 06:38 Chezinu wrote: I don't like it when Palmar dies... it's makes me sad. Can't say if it's bold "he's my scum buddy so I townread him" or if it's a real townread. Given that he was the only one voting outside of the Palmar train D2, I think it's "it's too scummy to be scum so people will townread me for that move lol". Exactly the stuff I'd expect out of Chez as far as I got to know him. Note: up until now (D2), there is not a single scum read given from Chezinu. But, finally, here they are: On February 07 2016 22:17 Chezinu wrote: Marv boxer disformation On February 07 2016 22:30 Chezinu wrote: interest list. Marv and boxer scum team would be interesting. I wonder how this would make sense. Marv would've bussed the shit out of Palmar, while I would've hard defended Palmar D1. I mean, I townread him, right? While I made a huge case on ritoky which was entirely wrong since ritoky was town. How would the combination of marv and me make sense in any way? How would you draw such a conclusion? Interestingly enough, Chezinu paints a connection between a guy with a top reputation as town and someone who tends to be mislynched easily. If people had to decide between lynching me and lynching marv, I'd be dead. In that context, the next post makes even more sense: On February 08 2016 11:54 Chezinu wrote: Guys, Have you ever trolled a game and never have time to actually play the game? But every time you go to play, you end up trolling? Troll problems. Ok, it's time to get stuff done. Boxer why you mafia? Marv do you love me? PAAAAALLLLLLMAAAARRR!!!!!!! A direct attack on me - and an attempt to simply get marv's attention, almost like a 3-year-old running to papa, hugging him, "dad, do you love me? i love you too!". So at first, he says "boxerfred and marv, scum together, interesting", then he splits the scum dream team again into "boxer = scum" and "marv what you think of me"? If he really scumreads marv, why would he care for what marv thinks about him? Oh, and in true Chezinu manner, this tiny little bit of "giving reads" is followed up by more useless stuff: + Show Spoiler + On February 09 2016 06:09 Chezinu wrote: Some may say that you are not deep. Some may say that you are not an intellectual. Some may say that you are not an artist. Some may say that you are not a critic. Some may say that you are not a poet. Some may say that you just have internet access. Well, know this. Those some may sayers are not going to live with you long. So know that there are other some may sayers that can cheer you on. You can Deep! You can Intel! You can Art! You can Crit! You can Poe! You can and have internet access! Next up, his reaction to the Palmar flip: + Show Spoiler [wtf] + On February 09 2016 08:04 Chezinu wrote: PAAALLLMAAAAR!!!! NOOO!!!!! WHY!!!!! On February 09 2016 08:10 Chezinu wrote: Guys, I would like to say that it was a honor to help form a second wagon on Day 1 to aid in the detection of mafia scum. I was secretly hoping Palmar would have died Day 1 but I couldn't vote for Palmar cause I likes him. This was also an opportunity to gain more information. We are doing great guys! This post is so scummy. Remember: at this point in time, Chez has done exactly NOTHING to help town. He didn't drop any hard town reads, he didn't push anyone for being scum, he did not participate in serious discussions, he did exactly nothing to help town. On the contrary, partially, he even derailed the thread into pure unreadable and useless garbage. Then, suddenly, he comes up with this post. I take the following points out of this post: a. "I helped to form a second wagon on Day 1". This is weak. He's referring to the Zyrre wagon (imho). Yes, given that both have flipped now, we should indeed go back to some VCA of D1 votes. But was it indeed Chez' intention to create a second wagon to simply gain more information? And, way more important: did he REALLY help create that wagon? No! He did not. b. "I was secretly hoping that Palmar died N1". If that is the case, why didn't Chez vote for Palmar D2? And, way more important: Final Day 1 Vote Count Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): Not Voting (0): Tonight Zyrre had been executed. Day 1 has ended. Why was he on Zyrre if he wanted to lynch Palmar? He could've made the difference. He could've hammered Palmar, and he even said the he wanted to do it! But he did not do it. Here is the progression: D1: 1. He likes Palmar. Drops a townread. 2. Votes [color=green]Zyrre[/color], in a close 8-7 scenario, over [color=red]Palmar[/color]. D2: 1. Does not vote Palmar, being the only one not voting Palmar. "Too scummy to be scum", someone said. 2. Once Palmar flips, Chez says that he "secretly wanted Palmar to die D1". Which is an obvious lie. ...but, yeah, ends with: We are doing great guys! Now that is bold. ________________________________________________________________________________ Now, D3. Chez follows marv onto Koshi. On February 09 2016 08:21 Chezinu wrote: That Koshi hop on Zyrre on Day 1, then that defensive jump on early Day 2 on Palmar. I'm not believing this tbh. Like, if I go into a thread and decide not to read up, I at least read the last 2-3 posts. Your eye directly falls on it, and if you plan to say something about a guy, how can you ignore his bolded red name? So Chez scumreads Koshi, sheeping a guy who should be established and accepted town, marv. The same guy he tried to pocket earlier, by the way. Chez does nothing to add substance to his Koshi read. He's simply following thread sentiment by marv. And after this, he goes nuts about me, also without adding substance. Without mentioning even a single post besides my initial post where I have him in my scum list. And, look at that: On February 09 2016 16:32 Chezinu wrote: Come on Kylo Ren, you know you want to hit this. Show me your moves. Want to take this out the ring? "You must be scum. It's just like it." ##vote Chezinu | ||
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On February 09 2016 18:20 marvellosity wrote: RIddle me this: These posts are barely any apart in boxerfred's filter. In the first, he is assuming Palmar is flipping mafia and I could be mafia with him, and even asserts his read when i tell him he's insane to think it, because 'attacking Palmar puts me in a great light' Now Palmar flips mafia, I am 'confirmed town' despite the fact he was already working on that assumption when he put me in a team with him and told me i'd look good for attacking him. ??? I can solve this. The "marv is scum with Palmar" thought was dumb. You called me out on that, remember? I slept a night over it, and yeah, it was a dumb thought. | ||
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On February 09 2016 19:05 boxerfred wrote: oh, EBWOP to my case: Chez didn't want Palmar to be lynched, but to be shot N1. I fucking suck. I wanna cry now. EBWOP #2: No he indeed wanted him to die D1! Gosh I suck at reading and reading comprehension. Ignore last post. | ||
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"b. "I was secretly hoping that Palmar died N1". If that is the case, why didn't Chez vote for Palmar D2? And, way more important:" Not N1, but D1. | ||
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On February 09 2016 20:16 disformation wrote: @boxerfred : it is night you can't vote yet. =D oh. as I said, carnival :D I kinda lost track | ||
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On February 09 2016 20:26 marvellosity wrote: ugh.... more posts that don't go together. How can bf say he doesn't like Palmar's reaction to his stuff, and then goes on to call all Palmar's posts good and then I'm mafia and an afk-Palmar is town? how? Easy. Scumlean is a thrown out list of reads, mostly based on gut and first impressions. The hard defense comes from a filter dive at a later D1. Of course you can nail me on that, but I think it wouldn't make sense for scum!bf to slightly bus palmar and then go full defense mode once he's the lynch. | ||
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On February 09 2016 20:31 Rels wrote: Mm good find. One thing that makes me waffke on bf a lot too is that his meta is usually "serious : scum". I'm eating, will be there in like 2 hours to talk more yeah this too, I feel like marv and Rels got strong points on me here. I play way better when I'm scum. However you guys also know that I'm mislynched so fucking often. hm, can't say much against what marv called me out on regarding my palmar read besides what I just said. Also Rels' meta read on me is kinda what I think about myself, too. But, yeah, would be a shame if I get mislynched now that I put so much fucking effort in that completely disregarded case regarding Chez. Makes me want to puke that my case gets such great reactions. | ||
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On February 09 2016 20:47 boxerfred wrote: Easy. Scumlean is a thrown out list of reads, mostly based on gut and first impressions. The hard defense comes from a filter dive at a later D1. Of course you can nail me on that, but I think it wouldn't make sense for scum!bf to slightly bus palmar and then go full defense mode once he's the lynch. ebwop: I have no problem to bus scum teammates D1 as I've shown already. I would've pinned Palmar down I guess. | ||
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On February 09 2016 20:52 marvellosity wrote: it also doesn't make much sense for a townbf to dislike Palmar's reaction to what you said, only to later like it when nothing had changed. You literally said you didn't like his reaction and later called it good :/ hm. I kinda defended palmar for the sake of defence only since I didn#t even understand what problem people had with him. Guess it doesn't make sense. | ||
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On February 09 2016 20:56 disformation wrote: TBF I think BF's scum meta is to try and lurk as hard as possible. On the other hand self-metaing is a bit meh. This is wrong. When I'm scum, I'm precise, very "correct" (the british kind of correctness), even on point. I tend to play messy and emotional as town though (or completely inactive). | ||
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Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Koshi is currently scum read by some persons. He went late Zyrre. He put his vote on Zyrre when it was 6-6 split between Palmar and Zyrre, and he does it rather late: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503495-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken-voting-thread?page=3#48 On February 06 2016 07:42 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote zyrre Roughly 20 minutes before deadline. The situation we're in is that Palmar is on the very edge of being lynched. He is the Godfather, yet he is afk - a big scum role that can confuse town really hard (remember - Finncop works not like the standard cop!) would be a huge loss D1. Koshi seems to not care too much for this game D1. His reads are meager, he's not pushing anyone too hard, he feels wishywashy. But then it comes to his vote: initially, he forgets the "##unvote", then he corrects it, writing his vote in the correct way. However, it doesn't seem to be enough for him: On February 06 2016 07:43 Koshi wrote: voted zyrre Why is that so important, given that the previous post was absolutely correct? It's tiny, yep, and might not be alignment indicative, but I can see a nervous close-to-deadline-with-GF-close-to-being-lynched scum!Koshi acting nervous. That would bring us to: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Chez' vote on Zyrre would also make sense as scum. He said EoD2 after the Palmar lynch that he originally wanted to see Palmar dead D1 already - but he didn't vote him. marvellosity's switch feels weird to me but yeah...not gonna put the tinfoil hat back on again, he was the one to initiate the whole Palmar thingy. Rels feels townie to me. He's active and eager to do stuff, but the biggest thing is his genuine reaction to the LS replacement. On second thought though I'm not sure if that really was an alignment indicative dumbtell. I'd take it as that if LS would flip red, I'd lock Rels as town then. But - I do not know about LS' alignment, so yeah. Head and heart tell me though that Rels is town. disformation feels to me like he is playing a weak town game. He doesn't dare to push people, although he picks stuff every now and then. I wish he'd actually push some people, drop some committed reads, instead of just staying in his comfort zone. He's either a townie afraid to appear bad or a scum guy playing a very soft, careful game. His D1 felt very townie to me, but I think he got away with my town read too easy. However he ended up voting the Palmar train and went through with that - I don't think scum!disformation would have the guts for such a bus. So I'll paint him green here, too. VayneAuthority's activity level feels similar to what I learnt of him in other games. Town lean at this point, but not enough to paint him green in the PoE-kind-of-VCA I'm currently doing here. I paint him green because he was early on the Palmar wagon and did not leave at any point. This is not a 100% town read - but I want to simplify things. boxerfred is town, I know that. Gonna add the colours.. Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy nooniansong was scumread by me D1. I don't understand exactly why people like marv (?) started to townread him and I would really like to get an explanation on that from the guys who townread him. If he's scum, his vote was safe and sound on Zyrre. A solid no-risk-scum-play at D1. darthfoley really dropped off in activity. At least that's how I feel like. I need to filter-dive here and I'm glad for anyone dropping reads on those two guys. NocturneMage - can't drop a read, didn't look into yet. Gotta do this though to at least gain some impression. Only impression I have is from D1 where NM fought VA, and I'm not sure how to judge that. Last, but not least: MoosyDoosy. Voting outside both trains feels weird. But I think this is rather town indicative than scum indicative. The wagons were close, and the Zyrre lynch happened rather last minute. If he was scum with Palmar, I'm sure he'd have switched earlier - a last second switch would've put a bad light on him, especially given that there was no guarantee that Palmar would survive the night. Onegu got replaced by LightningStrike. LS should step up now and do something for town. If he remains rather low activity and lurky, he should be lynched sooner or later. No way to have this guy in LYLO. What do you guys think? | ||
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On February 09 2016 22:20 marvellosity wrote: Koshi's filter also makes me think kush is town. Hm this is interesting since I located him in a rather scummy spot in my post above. Koshi was voting nooniansong D1, I didn't pay attention to this. So if Koshi flips red, we have nooniansong in a safe spot. | ||
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On February 09 2016 22:44 LightningStrike wrote: Also bf you realized that I manged to get a bigger filter than Onegu did before he asked to replace out? I am quite sad that you didn't notice it This is you ask for reads but don't drop too many yourself. Also, you're a null, not a scum for me  . | ||
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On February 09 2016 22:48 LightningStrike wrote: To be fair I still collecting my reads a little bit but I need a little bit of time and I wanted to make sure if for some reason the people I asked for their reads get NK'd I could take a look on who they thought was scum and see why they got killed too. Calm down. I don't think you're the lynch today. I can see Koshi hanging though, or Chez. I'm fine with both but wouldn't lynch outside of them. | ||
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On February 09 2016 22:59 disformation wrote: That is basically as committed as I get. :p As you can see I agree on Koshi and Chez and there is no need for me to push either of them, especially since all my lock towns agree on that and I am pretty comfortable sheeping them. Also the point you made on Koshi's vote was already made by me, but got somewhat deflected by jat and marv. Need/Want to look at a bunch of filters this evening. Yeah, this is good. I should've filtered you before my list post/vca there so at least you have my honest gut read on you :D | ||
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On February 09 2016 22:59 NocturneMage wrote: boxerfred, are you here? I have some questions. I'm in and out today as I look through a few things. I'll be out just now but I'll be back before EoD. Have an appointment a 6pm, gonna be online at roughly 8pm or so. | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:16 NocturneMage wrote: Here is the vote count with strikethroughs: Here is your VCA (spoilered for brevity) + Show Spoiler [Your vote analysis] + On February 09 2016 22:41 boxerfred wrote: So here is what happened D1: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Koshi is currently scum read by some persons. He went late Zyrre. He put his vote on Zyrre when it was 6-6 split between Palmar and Zyrre, and he does it rather late: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503495-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken-voting-thread?page=3#48 Roughly 20 minutes before deadline. The situation we're in is that Palmar is on the very edge of being lynched. He is the Godfather, yet he is afk - a big scum role that can confuse town really hard (remember - Finncop works not like the standard cop!) would be a huge loss D1. Koshi seems to not care too much for this game D1. His reads are meager, he's not pushing anyone too hard, he feels wishywashy. But then it comes to his vote: initially, he forgets the "##unvote", then he corrects it, writing his vote in the correct way. However, it doesn't seem to be enough for him: Why is that so important, given that the previous post was absolutely correct? It's tiny, yep, and might not be alignment indicative, but I can see a nervous close-to-deadline-with-GF-close-to-being-lynched scum!Koshi acting nervous. That would bring us to: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Chez' vote on Zyrre would also make sense as scum. He said EoD2 after the Palmar lynch that he originally wanted to see Palmar dead D1 already - but he didn't vote him. marvellosity's switch feels weird to me but yeah...not gonna put the tinfoil hat back on again, he was the one to initiate the whole Palmar thingy. Rels feels townie to me. He's active and eager to do stuff, but the biggest thing is his genuine reaction to the LS replacement. On second thought though I'm not sure if that really was an alignment indicative dumbtell. I'd take it as that if LS would flip red, I'd lock Rels as town then. But - I do not know about LS' alignment, so yeah. Head and heart tell me though that Rels is town. disformation feels to me like he is playing a weak town game. He doesn't dare to push people, although he picks stuff every now and then. I wish he'd actually push some people, drop some committed reads, instead of just staying in his comfort zone. He's either a townie afraid to appear bad or a scum guy playing a very soft, careful game. His D1 felt very townie to me, but I think he got away with my town read too easy. However he ended up voting the Palmar train and went through with that - I don't think scum!disformation would have the guts for such a bus. So I'll paint him green here, too. VayneAuthority's activity level feels similar to what I learnt of him in other games. Town lean at this point, but not enough to paint him green in the PoE-kind-of-VCA I'm currently doing here. I paint him green because he was early on the Palmar wagon and did not leave at any point. This is not a 100% town read - but I want to simplify things. boxerfred is town, I know that. Gonna add the colours.. Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy nooniansong was scumread by me D1. I don't understand exactly why people like marv (?) started to townread him and I would really like to get an explanation on that from the guys who townread him. If he's scum, his vote was safe and sound on Zyrre. A solid no-risk-scum-play at D1. darthfoley really dropped off in activity. At least that's how I feel like. I need to filter-dive here and I'm glad for anyone dropping reads on those two guys. NocturneMage - can't drop a read, didn't look into yet. Gotta do this though to at least gain some impression. Only impression I have is from D1 where NM fought VA, and I'm not sure how to judge that. Last, but not least: MoosyDoosy. Voting outside both trains feels weird. But I think this is rather town indicative than scum indicative. The wagons were close, and the Zyrre lynch happened rather last minute. If he was scum with Palmar, I'm sure he'd have switched earlier - a last second switch would've put a bad light on him, especially given that there was no guarantee that Palmar would survive the night. I want to focus on a few things. First question - the read on Moosy - I don't quite understand this. IIRC, Moosy was entirely afk or nearly entirely AFK for end of cycle. His only vote came roughly 19 hours before the end when I was playing the "pick a townie" game with him in the middle of the night (our time). It was on VA, and he never pushed that vote. He just threw it down and left (quotes below, or read his filter) He placed his vote down on VA and never moved it (if you can see HTS votecount with all the cancelled votes), and was completely AFK so regardless of Palmar's alignment the vote looks poor because he escapes accountability altogether. This was his vote http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=40#791 This was his FINAL post before end of cycle about 18h before end of cycle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=42#838 This was his first post ~1h AFTER the lynch http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=73#1443 Here's the question - now knowing or possibly realising that Moosy was severely AFK and his non-push of his own vote, does this make him any more or less town to you? You assume that Moosy was AFK. I think he was lurking (ie. not afk). A lurky scum!Moosy would have switched to Zyrre at some point IMHO which is why in my VCA I say it's town indicative. Of course can just be idgaf afk, yep. Hm I'm gonna give two answers: Lurky, lazy Moosy: townish for not voting Zyrre AFK Moosy: scummy/nullish Given that he was in-thread one hour after the lynch I can see him being AFK. Plus, this: On February 06 2016 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: aaaand boxer still can't read me lolol @_@ Yeah I should scumlean him, minimum. Especially since I just saw http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=42#840 which paints you green af. How could I miss this lol? | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:21 NocturneMage wrote: Get back to post 2278 if/when you can, I'm going through your filter and a few others' at the moment. everyone else: I'm willing to buy into the general sentiment that scum Koshi pushing Noon is likely meaning Noon is town, but I'll run through the filter just to be sure... I just did. Decided to stay one more hour at the office, so I have one more hour of Mafia. ) | ||
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Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy I liked noonians new list post. So, let me pretend that all my town reads (in disregard if there are hard reads or slight leans or whatever) are locked and confirmed towns, we get this: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Would that make sense? | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:25 NocturneMage wrote: Yeah Noon, I'm pretty positive VayneAuthority is mafia. He is the most likely mafia on the Palmar train (and something tells me there IS one on the Palmar train), and there are several reasons related to the vote and unrelated to the vote that make him mafia. I also called out VA's poor townread on Koshi, let me show you his reaction to that. You might have missed it earlier. I can understand why people wouldn't scumread him though, he was on the Palmar train and nothing is a so-called slam dunk argument on him, but there are several "little things" that add up as I was going through his filter Day 1. Can you summarize in like a bullet list why that is? I'd sheep you for your Palmar stuff from D1 that I just discovered. And keep in mind that darthfoley is currently under everyone's radar. Dunno how much I like that. | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:30 LightningStrike wrote: boxerfred you should prob bold the flipped towns lol.......... On February 09 2016 23:27 boxerfred wrote: Let's update my VCA: I liked noonians new list post. So, let me pretend that all my town reads (in disregard if there are hard reads or slight leans or whatever) are locked and confirmed towns, we get this: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Would that make sense? | ||
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On February 06 2016 01:42 VayneAuthority wrote: I will warn you that BF is a trap player. I don't know what to make of him yet. On paper it makes zero sense and looks scummy but surely he would realize that right? Now when we look at the motivation for why he would want to post this, all I could think of is kush being his mafia buddy. He wants you to know that he does support the lynch of kush but thats the extent of it. so if you believe in a kush/bf team then go for it Would scum say such things D1? Dunno | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:37 nooniansoong wrote: i'm not going to read boxer's filter so ill just point out what ive noticed (in a list because those are my new favorite things)
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On February 09 2016 23:44 NocturneMage wrote: boxerfred, the second sentence is what you call hedging, which is mafia indicative. "I don't know what to make of him yet." is a noncommittal statement - not wanting to take sides. Granted in that quote alone, there is a possible town motivation, that he can be town being unsure, but mafia can say things like this and wait to see where thread sentiment goes. I think interpreting "dunno" as hedging is wrong here. I ask a question to bring attention to something. Maybe I should've said "I'm not too sure what to make of that quote so please give me your thoughts"? To the VA post itself: while the thought process of that quote appears rather towny to me, the last sentence in it ("if you believe... go for it") would be hedging, right? So this post becomes scum indicative. Do you think VA's post is scum indicative, NM? | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:45 marvellosity wrote: Seems to me maybe it's something like: Palmar/Koshi Chezinu/VA/boxerfred then a smattering of darth and moosey and LS if you mislynch me at any point in the game I'm gonna be so mad post game because I'm really trying here. | ||
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On February 10 2016 00:05 boxerfred wrote: if you mislynch me at any point in the game I'm gonna be so mad post game because I'm really trying here. Wait, are you putting me in a team with two guys I heavily scum read? In a team with Chezinu after I made a huge case on him that you actually like? That doesn't make sense. | ||
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On February 10 2016 00:11 marvellosity wrote: it makes perfect sense. Palmar was mafia. Koshi is going to flip mafia if you and chez are mafia, you're both going to get lynched and lose the game unless something changes. you making a big case on him fits that bill, it's one of the few ways if you were both mafia that one of you might survive. it's not like chez isn't already heavily suspicious I can understand that but there are a lot of "what ifs" in that thought. Also, do you think Chez/me would be capable of doing so? If so, why would I bus Chez and not he me? | ||
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On February 10 2016 01:51 darthfoley wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 09 2016 18:57 boxerfred wrote: Chez: His very entry to the thread. "Hey, my PM has some flavour to it, I am vanilla town." After that claim, he basically disappears into randomness. He's not participating in a good way D1. Here is a list of absolutely useless posts: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2016 14:54 Chezinu wrote: I'll be threading the Stone Needle. On February 05 2016 04:40 Chezinu wrote: I see a problem with this analogy. Did He need saving? Does one die to save himself or another? Well, one could die to self figuratively for the sake of another benefiting.. and by doing so.. loses himself and thus saves himself! It could be true for peoples... but for Him... He needed not saving to begin with. He died for another.. in fact for his enemies.. He showed the greatest love to his enemies. So dear Koshi, how does us lynching you bring you your salvation? On February 05 2016 04:45 Chezinu wrote: That's right guys. I R Chez. He is a story: In the shadows, lurks my follower. He watches as I play. He learns the effort in which I play. Free from death, Free from shame, I post without restraint. For Chez himself knows not what will come next, but knows the methods to which he takes. He knows not what it fully entails, but each day posting learns a little more. Who am I, what is my method? How do I play? How do I win? One day, in a life to come, Chez will know the way he plays. On February 05 2016 04:57 Chezinu wrote: Hey guys, Does anyone here know of any Jedi that can assist me? I was reading this book that says time is all relative and that the future can be the past or present. depending on the net time-forced applied on the system or medium you dwell. It speaks a a distance universe far far away. The author claims to have spoken to an inhabitant in a galaxy in this distant verse. I was wondering if a Jedi can help channel communication with this individual. I heard I needed to invest some resources and ship them to his galaxy in order to claim my interest in the future, but I lost the address when I lost the book. A Jedi would be useful to contact this individual. Could anyone here help me? This is followed by derailing and trolling with the whole "disformation vs. the Chezinu rule": + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2016 05:52 Chezinu wrote: ##unvote ##vote disformation So, unfortunate for you... Btw, you can help by finding me a Jedi so I can contact an individual in a galaxy far far away in a time long from now. I need to talk to him to find out the address, so I can send him my resources. He will have invest these resources and pay me more. I just need to send him money now. PLEASE HALPS! On February 05 2016 06:34 Chezinu wrote: Confusion is of the darkside... Followed by, wait for it, more uselessness: + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2016 06:36 Chezinu wrote: Welcome to the Brown Side, where Colors Do Matter! On February 05 2016 07:49 Chezinu wrote: Hey guys, Do you think the force is real? like you know... the Jedi force. On February 05 2016 07:57 Chezinu wrote: UUMMMMMMMM UMMMMMMM UMMMMMMMMM Jeeeediiiiii... Jeeediiiiii... Jeeeeeeediiiiiiiii... This is the force speaking! come and help Chez He needs you to talk Come to Chez JeeediiiiiUUMMMMMMMM JeeediiiiiUMMMMMMM JeeediiiiiUMMMMMMMMM I'm actually stopping to quote the useless posts now, because I do not want to paste the whole page 2 of his filter here. Some blahblah about "I graduated from Jedi Academy", more bullshit. But then, there's an interesting series of posts in his filter: + Show Spoiler + From a disformation vote (trolly or not, it was a huge derailing), he likes Palmar, the GF. Then throws in another name, nooniansong. Then ends up calling out Zyrre, a VT. And boom, at last, he says "I randomly copy pasted names" to render everything he just said useless. This is not "brown magic", this is not even non-valuable bullshit. This is clearly derailing the thread, actively creating confusion, trying to mislead people. I mean, those are his townreads, right? Well, after rendering his list useless by "i just copy pasted", he goes again to it: "Hey, here are townreads. Hey, no, kidding. Hey, yes, indeed." Had to think of this (00:59). Like, what is this even? A bit later, more on Palmar: Can't say if it's bold "he's my scum buddy so I townread him" or if it's a real townread. Given that he was the only one voting outside of the Palmar train D2, I think it's "it's too scummy to be scum so people will townread me for that move lol". Exactly the stuff I'd expect out of Chez as far as I got to know him. Note: up until now (D2), there is not a single scum read given from Chezinu. But, finally, here they are: I wonder how this would make sense. Marv would've bussed the shit out of Palmar, while I would've hard defended Palmar D1. I mean, I townread him, right? While I made a huge case on ritoky which was entirely wrong since ritoky was town. How would the combination of marv and me make sense in any way? How would you draw such a conclusion? Interestingly enough, Chezinu paints a connection between a guy with a top reputation as town and someone who tends to be mislynched easily. If people had to decide between lynching me and lynching marv, I'd be dead. In that context, the next post makes even more sense: A direct attack on me - and an attempt to simply get marv's attention, almost like a 3-year-old running to papa, hugging him, "dad, do you love me? i love you too!". So at first, he says "boxerfred and marv, scum together, interesting", then he splits the scum dream team again into "boxer = scum" and "marv what you think of me"? If he really scumreads marv, why would he care for what marv thinks about him? Oh, and in true Chezinu manner, this tiny little bit of "giving reads" is followed up by more useless stuff: + Show Spoiler + On February 09 2016 06:09 Chezinu wrote: Some may say that you are not deep. Some may say that you are not an intellectual. Some may say that you are not an artist. Some may say that you are not a critic. Some may say that you are not a poet. Some may say that you just have internet access. Well, know this. Those some may sayers are not going to live with you long. So know that there are other some may sayers that can cheer you on. You can Deep! You can Intel! You can Art! You can Crit! You can Poe! You can and have internet access! Next up, his reaction to the Palmar flip: + Show Spoiler [wtf] + On February 09 2016 08:04 Chezinu wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1IXEL_6RE8 PAAALLLMAAAAR!!!! NOOO!!!!! WHY!!!!! This post is so scummy. Remember: at this point in time, Chez has done exactly NOTHING to help town. He didn't drop any hard town reads, he didn't push anyone for being scum, he did not participate in serious discussions, he did exactly nothing to help town. On the contrary, partially, he even derailed the thread into pure unreadable and useless garbage. Then, suddenly, he comes up with this post. I take the following points out of this post: a. "I helped to form a second wagon on Day 1". This is weak. He's referring to the Zyrre wagon (imho). Yes, given that both have flipped now, we should indeed go back to some VCA of D1 votes. But was it indeed Chez' intention to create a second wagon to simply gain more information? And, way more important: did he REALLY help create that wagon? No! He did not. b. "I was secretly hoping that Palmar died N1". If that is the case, why didn't Chez vote for Palmar D2? And, way more important: Final Day 1 Vote Count Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): Not Voting (0): Tonight Zyrre had been executed. Day 1 has ended. Why was he on Zyrre if he wanted to lynch Palmar? He could've made the difference. He could've hammered Palmar, and he even said the he wanted to do it! But he did not do it. Here is the progression: D1: 1. He likes Palmar. Drops a townread. 2. Votes [color=green]Zyrre[/color], in a close 8-7 scenario, over [color=red]Palmar[/color]. D2: 1. Does not vote Palmar, being the only one not voting Palmar. "Too scummy to be scum", someone said. 2. Once Palmar flips, Chez says that he "secretly wanted Palmar to die D1". Which is an obvious lie. ...but, yeah, ends with: Now that is bold. ________________________________________________________________________________ Now, D3. Chez follows marv onto Koshi. I'm not believing this tbh. Like, if I go into a thread and decide not to read up, I at least read the last 2-3 posts. Your eye directly falls on it, and if you plan to say something about a guy, how can you ignore his bolded red name? So Chez scumreads Koshi, sheeping a guy who should be established and accepted town, marv. The same guy he tried to pocket earlier, by the way. Chez does nothing to add substance to his Koshi read. He's simply following thread sentiment by marv. And after this, he goes nuts about me, also without adding substance. Without mentioning even a single post besides my initial post where I have him in my scum list. And, look at that: "You must be scum. It's just like it." ##vote Chezinu So I like this post, but it's also rather obvious. In fact, i'm almost to the point of a plynch against Chez because he's either blatant mafia, or the most anti-town townsperson ever. Either way, he's making mafia's lives easier with his conscious stream of bullshit. I, however, still have reservations about you. As Marv obviously pointed out, it's quite clear that given Palmar's flip, scum is going to have to bus each other and make moves to establish town cred they sorely need right now. With Chez such an easy target, I think it's perfectly within your capability to make that play. I also don't really understand why you keep trying to bang us on the head with how this Chez case establishes you as town. Like the answer to your question is so obvious, that you even answered it earlier And Chez has scum read you multiple times so... This is actually the first time I look bad for actively scumhunting since it's considered to be a bus. So we lynch Koshi, Chez, then I am the mislynch, then next scum. 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On February 10 2016 03:50 Rels wrote: Exactly. Like I would hate to lynch you if you're town and trying, but you being so tryhard points at your scum meta + your palmar don't make sense at two different points on time + you're playing pretty robotic here I think ? Like the only real emotional stuff was the "I am cop" post which felt fake as shit. Plus I don't think you've ever made a case as town ? Maybe I'm wrong. Need to check that later. Okay. I'll note this post. When the game is over, I can reference this post when.. a) someone says I don't make cases as town and b) someone says that me being emotional is "fake". The discussion revolves currently around a townie, guys. I think that on me, everything is said now. I can be scum for good reasons, cool, but I also have townish things going for me. What about looking into others then? Because if I flip scum (which I am not going to do!), you'll have to find the last scum (ie. if Koshi+Chez are indeed scum). | ||
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I feel like I messed up the cycles completely. 24 night 48 day, right? I thought this would be first 24h of day 4? | ||
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If I get lynched before this super constructive player of here who's probably scum I will laugh so hard at town. | ||
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On February 10 2016 04:30 darthfoley wrote: It's fine to bring my name up, because it's true that I have been kind of set aside as town-lean by most people besides you. I find this point to be a mini town read towards you. Feel free to question me, but I think it's clear that although my activity is lower than in the Newbie town game I just finished, my play has been quite different from the one game I was scum. Not a big sample size to consider tbf. The only thing is, you've brought up my name multiple times as potential scum, but your only reason has been my filter length/activity, which I think is easily understandable in this sort of game: there are lots of experienced good players, so I have no problem taking a step back and being more introspective in my posts than leading the town. It wouldn't really make sense tbh. Activity needs to be complimented by other stuff if you're serious about potentially scum reading me... otherwise, it is kinda pointless imo Nah, I never brought you up as a scumread of mine, I brought you up as a low activity guy I need to look into to get a grip on him. As of now, I'll just sheep town since i'm lazy anyways. | ||
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On February 10 2016 04:33 NocturneMage wrote: This is night 2, ends tonight midnight CET, then begins 48h day 3. boxerfred, what do you think about my post on page 117 (post 2333). You asked for it. Just now got to read in more carefully. I fully agree with (3). Regarding (4) - Had to think about that a second, but here's my conclusion: I guess it does make sense that a named VT is a potential target for the strongarm shot, or at least that's a debatable move. However the "lead town D1" stuff is extremely shitty. Also, let's be honest - a named VT can be quite strong endgame, right? So it wouldn't make sense to out D1. Also, bluehunting is considered to be scummy, so yeah. Regarding (2) - his reactions (the quoted ones, didn't get back into his filter) do not feel like the VA I got to know. In the games I played with him, he was low activity but seemed to not give a fuck about people pushing him. VA, can you disprove me here? The Palmar vote is awkward, but I think it's not necessarily scum indicative. He's 3rd on that wagon, bit early to bus. And (1) - yeah, true. So actually, VA is not on top of my lynch list after that, I can see him being scum though. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:05 Rels wrote: I have a hard time deciding on that. He's been doing it a few times already The cycle stuff isn't even an alignment indicative dumbtell boys. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:21 marvellosity wrote: Except as mafia you'd really know it was night So it's genuine and you're town, or you're faking it oh holymoly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cologne_Carnival I live at Cologne. Guess what I've been doing mainly the last days | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:24 marvellosity wrote: bf, I think you made a pretty valid point in your post at the bottom of the last page about VA's reaction to being scumread. There was a game I played in sometime last year I think and I (correctly) scumread VA on day 1, and he just poured so much scorn on me, it was actually quite amusing to watch. And there's been times I scumread him as town and he kinda... just ignored me, or was deliberately annoying, but it was different, he didn't insult me for my play there. Some food for thought On February 10 2016 06:12 boxerfred wrote: Just now got to read in more carefully. I fully agree with (3). Regarding (4) - Had to think about that a second, but here's my conclusion: I guess it does make sense that a named VT is a potential target for the strongarm shot, or at least that's a debatable move. However the "lead town D1" stuff is extremely shitty. Also, let's be honest - a named VT can be quite strong endgame, right? So it wouldn't make sense to out D1. Also, bluehunting is considered to be scummy, so yeah. Regarding (2) - his reactions (the quoted ones, didn't get back into his filter) do not feel like the VA I got to know. In the games I played with him, he was low activity but seemed to not give a fuck about people pushing him. VA, can you disprove me here? The Palmar vote is awkward, but I think it's not necessarily scum indicative. He's 3rd on that wagon, bit early to bus. And (1) - yeah, true. So actually, VA is not on top of my lynch list after that, I can see him being scum though. This, I assume? | ||
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Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy This is my world. I sheep darthfoley green now while moving VA from initial green to red. So it looks like I should settle on VA vs. MD, right? We're all d'accord in Chezinu and Koshi so far. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:45 marvellosity wrote: on the other hand, VA would be 100% dead at this point if he had switched off late in the day. why is that? I switched off late in the day, and so did (afaik) others. | ||
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what about fucking Poe Dameron? You're so locked on your scum vig theory, why is that? | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:52 Rels wrote: All these dumbtells are unbelievable. BF CANNOT make the same mistake he made 24 hours ago. I actually didn't. 24 hours ago, I was sold on the idea of a scum vig. Now, I'm thinking that there's a town vig in, too. | ||
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I said some time ago that we have a bad vig. Rels told me there's a scum vig role in the game. Now I say again maybe there's a bad vig in. This time with the realization that we have poe dameron, a vig role for town, in. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:54 Rels wrote: No you said: You didn't mention the possibility of the scum vig. You said "did I miss stuff" oh true I actually forgot about the scum vig because I was looking at Poe Dameron. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:55 marvellosity wrote: what insane town vigi do you think would shoot any of those players instead of Palmar? why are you even thinking this?! oh cmon, people make bad decisions sometimes. heck I forgot about possiblity of scum vig too so yeah ignore last page. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:56 Rels wrote: BF is scum. End of case. Please don't tunnel on me and PLEASE don't be in lylo with me because you're so gonna lynch me | ||
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yes. after I said "yoyo vig shot bad yoyo". I'm not going to help you dig your tunnel, leave me alone please. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:59 marvellosity wrote: we need to neaten up the play after the phase shift. Lots of this is inconsequential titter tatter and doesn't actually go anywhere. it's night now so it's okay but let's not keep it as a precedent Koshi - Chez - VA/MD | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:02 darthfoley wrote: koshi/chez/va/bf or md okay can you please sheep marv yo | ||
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im not going to react to your tunneling. Just one thing: remember that game where I was scum - and we all called you SCUM MVP because you TUNNEL THE FUCK OUT OF A TOWNIE which helped us a fucking lot? You're doing it again. | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:23 Rels wrote: I also remember games where I tunneled scum. Sry bud. Like, if you first reaction after your post in point 2 had been "oh yeah I'm dumb I forgot about the scum vig again", it was kinda unbelivable but maybe town possible. BUT YOU TRIED TO ARGUEE YOU WERE REMEMBERING OF SCUM VIG WHEN CLEARLY IT IS NOT THE CASE So you lied to explain yuor actions. Scum. why would I lie to explain a dumbtell, ever | ||
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##unvote ##vote VayneAuthority next up koshi, then chez. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: So was this the strongman? I'm guessing scum used their vigilante N1 then. okay Rels can you get mad at MD now and also scum read him | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: I actually think we are in good spot. Vayne/Koshi then boxer is probably last tbh. You haven't even read the thread, please stop playing if you're town or shut up if you're scum. Actually, I think if VA indeed flips scum, we have with Chez and Koshi two great targets to finalize. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:25 Rels wrote: Scum post. I need you to explain exactly why and how the fuck you lied in yuor posts I quoted in point 3 of my case. I cannot udnersatnd. oh c'mon. 1. I was dumb and didn't read. That was yesterday. 2. I was dumb and didn't remember what yesterday was. That is it. The next few posts are an embarassed boxerfred laughing at himself. Thank you for your attention. Anymore questions before I go to bed? | ||
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Boom, scum plan: get bf mislynched get chez mislynched win | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:27 Rels wrote: Yes. You didn't explain anything that I asked. I didn't even read your questions tbh because I said I wouldn't react to your tunnel. Ask the question again, I'm not gonna scroll back for this bullshit | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:28 Rels wrote: It's clear you forgot about the scum vig. And in those posts right after I calkl you scum you say you knew there was a scum vig. ???? Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. | ||
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You know what? PLEASE ANSWER IT NO SHUT UP BOXER you know what go fuck yourself Rels and fuck your attitude go ahead lynch me im outta here | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:34 Rels wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. THEN THE FUCKING NEXT POST SHOULD BE "OH I FORGOT ABOUT HIM" NOT: Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" NOT: Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" NOT: Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". OH LOOK THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION HAPPENED IN A TIME WHERE THE THREAD WAS SACTIVE AND PEOPLE WROTE AT SIMILAR TIMES Gosh Rels lemme help you ##unvote ##vote boxerfred | ||
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Take your time to type out your posts. Stay readable (comprehensive). Calm down. I'm still a bit afraid that LS is scum. TBH if we go purely after activity, he should be dead. He hasn't contributed too much, too. LS, I would like you to drop your reads on darthfoley, MD and Chez, and I really want those reads to have substance. Do some work. I mean you have 72h+ time for that now since VA is gonna be the lynch today, a flipped blue called us to do so. Also, please explain to us what thus far makes you town. MoosyDoosy, what makes you town in this game and why should we not lynch you? Chez, who's scum? What makes you town? Darthfoley, do you think the last mafia is LS, Chez, or MD? Also I think I have quite a good idea on who else in this game is blue. | ||
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Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred justanothertownie (1): Onegu/LS VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy Hm. We have a Palmar train D1, and MD votes completely outside of it. VA is pretty much confirmed scum now. Moosy randomed his vote in that weird "elimination game" that he played D1. What I think is interesting is this quote from Damdred: On February 05 2016 14:42 Damdred wrote: Guys moosey dumb yelled himself town. life is easier On February 05 2016 14:50 Damdred wrote: Surprised you and nm didn't catch it playing the game. moosey scum team is va, oneg and koshi. Ehats wrong with that team 3 vs. 4 scum. I think I believe that dumbtell. | ||
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On February 05 2016 14:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: Last one ritoky. Take it away. 3 justanothertownie 4 VayneAuthority 8 Onegu 13 Koshi On February 05 2016 14:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: VayneAuthority Onegu Koshi And we have our Mafia ##Vote: VayneAuthority This feels genuine to me. Like, really genuine. | ||
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On February 10 2016 19:36 Rels wrote: I read both Chez and Moosy's filters and if we had to lynch someone today, it 100% should be one of these two. I would push for Chez, but NM's points on Moosy were good too. Do you disagree that they should claim immediately if they're a role ? By doing that we eliminate the possibility for them to fakeclaim later if they are scum. AND if they have a role, we don't really care that they get killed by scum as it actually helps us. I guess LS should do it too if you're unsure. I simply want everybody to play. That would already help a lot. | ||
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On February 10 2016 19:38 Rels wrote: Yeah that was my main reason to townread Moosy too, but marv made me doubt about that. It would absolutely match the afk pattern. Can we say we lynch Chez first, then moosy? | ||
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regarding onegu: On February 08 2016 15:59 Onegu wrote: I am in the hospital overnight, haven't been feeling good for a few days now. I have a small medical procedure on Friday and need to pack for my trip to Thailand on Sunday. Shouldn't have signed up and will take my ban but I have asked to be replaced. I apoligize to everyone Shit I missed this, hope he gets well soon. He claimed VT in the beginning and since he even went to the hospital I'm pretty sure that this was no lie. LS to the townpile, locked this time. okay. so as long as darth isn't scum, we won. VA, Koshi, Chez/MD. Since we have a mislynch, I don't care too much anymore. I'd even say we start with Chez or MD next day instead of Koshi so scum can concede? | ||
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Onegu claimed VT day 1, see my above post, too | ||
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last blue role then. | ||
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##vote Koshi I'll auto Chez then. Concede please. | ||
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On February 13 2016 08:20 disformation wrote: I bet he was protecting marv or nm N1 and was not able to protect the same person N2. So he protected the one who got shot with the strong arm thing, which pierces protection. -.- I really feel like role distribution and night actions flowered us over so damn incredible hard this game... 3 kills D1. How would that have happened? | ||
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On February 13 2016 08:33 Chezinu wrote: The Brown Force be like disform and boxer be the same alignments.. It was late... but it was tolds... my psychometry is rather noobish. a disfo checks make sense given he was rather townish from the beginning, even commonly read as town. so four blues vs. four red power roles? weird but hey okay md is the lynch then. fuck this anyways, gonna afk 48 more hours. will read though. | ||
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On February 15 2016 05:53 disformation wrote: But yeah nobody cc'ing is a good point in Chez's favour. only if we have 3 red power roles | ||
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so basically Chez should be the true cop and a bad townie then. So MD is the locked lynch for the next day. | ||
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Only thing we have to decide is not what to do with the time that is given to us (hey Gandalf) but instead who to lynch if MD flips town which to me is highly unlikely. Chez, before you die this night, can you provide a full list of checks? CHEZ PROVIDE A FULL LIST OF FREAKIN' CHECKS | ||
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On February 15 2016 21:06 disformation wrote: 3 actions + results. checks make sense for chez. You are aware that Finn is a parity cop, not a normal cop, right? Ah I see my mistake. I thought the game progressed much farther than it actually did and expected more than two checks (and one roleblock. I missed the roleblock claim). So yeah, it makes sense. Also it makes sense that you and me have the same alignment. I do know that we have a parity cop. So Chez is confirmed town. So are disformation and myself because there is only one scum member left. Disformation and myself have the same alignment and are both still in the game. | ||
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nooniansong/kush had a really bad D1. I also scumread him I think but dropped it later, sheeping marv (? if I remember correctly). Koshi and VayneAuthority, both having rolled scum, were pushing kush (based on disformation's quotes from above at least). boxerfred disformation Chezinu darthfoley MoosyDoosy nooniansoong LightningStrike Those are the 7 players left in the game. This night, we have a kill which will not be prevented. 5 1 - ML, Kill 3 1 - ML, Kill 1 1 - Scum wins. We may mislynch once. Chezinu is going to be the nightkill, no way he'll get to surive another night. On February 06 2016 08:05 Half the Sky wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): Not Voting (0): At this time, Zyrre is slated to be lynched. Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. darthfoley and nooniansong both voted Zyrre, the townie. That would mean we'd have had 3/4 scum on the town wagon. Or, one scum being completely outside of all wagons in MoosyDoosy, who wasted his vote on VayneAuthority. Having dived MD's filter, I am actually not too sure if he's indeed the last scum. Although: On February 10 2016 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: I would actually rather be one of the mislynches as I in no way wish to be in lylo. I also have very little commitment for the game as I signed up to troll in the first place. xdddd Unfortunately, shit hit the fan very quickly with Damdred dying and NM going after me. If this is true, I hope that the hosts ask for a severe punishment post game. If this is not true, MD should be scum for that statement. Right? | ||
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On February 15 2016 23:16 disformation wrote: darthfoley had a very organic read progression D1 and I am not sure a scummer would want to lead a new wagon in this place. Why not just try and push noon some more? noon had some better posts after D1 and got attacked by Koshi super hard. Why do you think MD might be town after reading his filter? His idgaf stance feels legit. It's more uncertainty than a town read, I'm totes fine with lynching him. I'm just being paranoid about darth/noon. | ||
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Assuming last scum is a power role, we'd have 3 red roles plus strongman vs. 4 blues AND unaware miller? feels imbalanced to me. | ||
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On February 15 2016 23:52 LightningStrike wrote: This ofc is assuming it's a scum vig instead of town vig. this makes me think you're town. basically if MD does not flip scum it's darth or nooniansong imho but I'll look into that at LYLO then. | ||
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On February 16 2016 08:01 disformation wrote: chez fakeclaimed and we have a jk that jailed chez? or, moosy was afk all night and failed to submit a kill. | ||
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On February 16 2016 09:59 justanothertownie wrote: Balance would have been fine with 1 KP less for mafia. You played a really good game and were universally townread all game. I don't know where your problem is. In fact most of the townies played really well. Boxerfreds play was WAY improved this game, Rels and NM had very strong performances etc. etc. Does that count as "better than abysmal"? | ||
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