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When I first read Disformation, I felt like he's town. Why: because he started rather active, tried to answer everyone's questions, explained himself in a decent manner. His tone feels like excited town ready to hunt scum, which is basically the impression I get of him as a person. Ritoky on the other hand starts to push disformation kinda hard. His reasoning to call disfo's post bullshit is weak though: On February 04 2016 12:16 ritoky wrote: 1) notifying that he is going out of his way to post from an inconvenient place -> notice me senpai 2) "almost forgot" -> something he must tell us! must be important 3) deferring to nocturnemage a) now confirmed not important b) if town is deferring to someone who's alignment he doesn't know for no reason 4) trying to discredit meta which CAN be a useful tool 5) smiley face cuz clearly "i'm joking gaiz" nothing about this post is good in any way. all of it is legit hot trash. re 1: this is no "notice me senpai", this is a simple information. He was active in the thread before so he explains why he backs off now. I can see disformation in his bed, still posting. And why shouldn't he tell us that he's in bed? Also, a bed never is inconvenient. It's convenient as hell! re 2: "nearly forgot" - that's pretty much why he's posting instead of just reading. Went to bed, read up, said "oh I forgot this", so he posts. He says "yo I forgot this" because he's kinda afraid to be scumread because he said he'd go to bed, not because he wants to put emphasis on what he's saying. re 3, a.: it's beginning of D1. What level of importance are you expecting? re 3, b.: I don't even understand this sentence, there seems to be a verb missing? re 4: how is disformation trying to discredit meta reads? Looks more like "tell me again what you think of meta reads, I don't think you like them?" which does not imply that disformation wants to discredit meta reads. re 5: what kind of argumentation is this even? I have the strong impression that ritoky pushes a towny. Which is not a bad thing by itself, it happens all over again. However, the way he does it feels very shady: constructing a whole lot of reasons over a four line post. And then, if you pull out a rather big reasoning, why do not go the road down until the end and call disfo out as scum? Finally, this: On February 04 2016 12:32 ritoky wrote: your post is bad. you said "remind me" which means you already know the answer so you're not waiting for anything, you're just handing someone who hasn't posted a free entry excuse into the thread for no reason, and this post is just as bad. i am gonna lynch this guy if i keep reading his posts regardless of how i feel about his alignment. i think i am just gonna not read his posts, and when i get a TR sheep their read on him. "I am gonna lynch you even if you're town"? "I am going to ignore your post because I just made up a bad reasoning on why they suck"? Plus, I have the impression that ritoky interacts with a lot of people, however he doesn't settle on someone yet. I think that's enough for me to place my vote. ##vote ritoky | ||
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boxerfred
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On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote: I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously. When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah. I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet. | ||
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No it isn't, read my post above  | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:47 ritoky wrote: you don't have time to read the thread, only time to skim a couple pages, but then you have enough time to type a multi-paragraph case on someone? mhmmmm. i don't even understand your post. why does anything you said make me mafia? especially considering you have 0 context for any of it. "ritoky interacts with a ton of people"? what does this even mean for a reason? i ask questions and push for reads and thus am mafia? likewat? I read the thread fully. Maybe the word I use is bad: "skim". I think it means that I've read the thread, however I didn't put too much emphasis on everything but instead concentrated on what feels important to me, which in this case would be the interaction between you and disformation. How do you not understand my post? here's a tl;dr: you make up reasons to call disfo's post shit. I have all context for it that I need Oo, the context of the interaction. Regarding the interaction with others: you don't push for reads, you ask random questions to seemingly push for reads imho. You do not follow up, only if you're forced to (as you were when someone asked why you call disfo's post shit). I don't think that's town indicative. Even now you don't reasonably argue why what I say is wrong, instead you say "I dont understand, you lie". The only real argument you say is the last one, and it's a weak one so far. | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:55 Rels wrote: What I called out was something similar to " fly under the radar", why is it not scum indicative here ? I don't feel he is "pushing anyone too hard" too ? Meta off one game (his first scum game too ?) is kinda irrelevant anyway. Of course it's scum indicative but we have D1. How about letting the thread develop some more ours and then start to look into what darthfoley's doing? | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:03 Rels wrote: How is that not what I'm doing ? I'm calling out what I see and asking question, not advocating people to vote for him. I only talked more about him because you and ritoky answered my post. I don't understand why you are calling me out on that. I'm not calling you out on that, I simply said what I'd to. I voiced my opinion on your thoughts. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word. What? I townread disformation Oo | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:13 Palmar wrote: by he I mean ritoky the point is, he broke down every single thing ritoky said and I didn't get the impression any of it was just "meh" If ritoky is mafia because of the post he made it's because one of his reasons or something is bullshit. nvm my last post then, sorry | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:10 ritoky wrote: because i think there is a problem in translation here is why i don't understand it. i called his post bad because it is bad. but bad does not necessitate mafia. it is a poor post regardless of alignment and i am undecided on his alignment partially because it was so bad. here's what his post did in an expanded version: 1) contrary to what a lot of coaches teach these days about keeping the thread updated on when you're leaving, what you're doing, etc; i find that shit to rub me the wrong way and just be a pile of "notice how much extra i care everyone". maybe that's residual shit from when BH owned me by faking he was moving, but it always reads scummy to me. 2) he then says "oh i almost forgot". this implies that the thought he had while in bed on his phone was so important that he had to post from a state of inconvenience in order to notify the thread of what it was. now this is crap already cuz the game is 5 hrs old, but i will entertain it. however he then addresses nocturnemage who hasn't posted at this point with his post......something super important but directed at a person with 0 posts. 3) firstly he is giving NM a free entry into the thread, when mafia often times find entries particularly difficult and you have players like me and like palmar in the game who are quite good at spotting bad entries (if palmar is town obv). secondly instead of making a point or joke about metas like he wants to instead he is trying to defer to someone else who historically doesn't like meta reads to shit on them for him. what point does this have? what does this serve? it gains us nothing and loses us information. if you want to make jokes about meta and shit on meta then just do it instead of trying to bring someone else in. 4) then the smiley at the end just so everyone knows it was all a joke.....sight. that said disfo's enthusiasm, tone, and filter length indicates he is town. but some of his posts are turds. so he is neutral, but i know myself; certain people and the way they play the more i read of their posts the more i am gonna wanna lynch them for the way they post/talk/act/type; regardless of its bearing on their alignment. the posts were bad, they were net negative posts regardless of his alignment, and he shouldn't post like that. I mean, okay, you elaborated on your first explanation on why disformation's post was shit, okay, granted. But I can't find new information in that huge chunk. You basically repeat what you said the first time already. And I don't understand why you go at him so hard yet refrain from a scum read! You basically say "well guys, he's so bad, here is reason #1-#5, and yeah, I'm going to ignore him" - why don't you just say "well boxerfred is bad, I'm going to ignore him"? Instead you even defend your points although that doesn't make sense, since he's a - what, a town read of yours? I don't understand this. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:24 Rels wrote: BF: (1) You think people that puts"big reasonning" should be calling their targets scum. (2) I put some reasonning as to why darth could be scum, I'm not even calling him scum mind you; but you still think my read on him is too strong. Can you explain why you react differently to two situations that seems extremely similar ? Yes. In (1), ritoky lists a whole lot of reasons, making a "big reasoning". I simply do not think that (2) is some kind of "big reasoning" but more of a side note. It's "this guy is really bad and anti-town but I'm not drawing conclusions out of it" vs. "I think this is mafia indicative but I'm not drawing conclusions yet" imho. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:37 Koshi wrote: This sentence I can agree with. Also for the amount of posts ritoky made I don't know about him yet. Which is odd. Thanks for putting emphasis on this, it almost went unnoticed. This "I'm going to ignore disformation" thing is strange for various reasons: 1. ritoky has no reason to not think that disformation will be a valuable towny, especially since he said he's town reading him (he did so, didn't he?) 2. the part of ritoky's post I refer to in that sentence seems to be kinda angry, but not really. Where's the point then? It just derails town. 3. ritoky completely ignores this part of my case when he answers, up until now | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:48 Palmar wrote: I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh. It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter. But you do realize that this "overquote" thing you say is part of my case against ritoky, right? He went overboard with his explanation to why disformation is bad. | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:06 ritoky wrote: because in my heart i am an educator, i want people to get better; people won't learn to rid themselves of terrible play or bad habits unless they are informed otherwise or punished for them. While this is nice, it doesn't change a thing. | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:07 Palmar wrote: Also bf sort of doesn't really sound like mafia. I find it weird that he would go after the entirety of ritoky's post, it's a massive stretch, but I guess there's not really much that has happened in the game, so maybe stretches are the best he's got. He's at least actually trying to do something. I like that he actually is keeping the pressure on ritoky despite some pushback, this last post about ritoky just rehashing the information sounds like genuinely believes that he has something there. Could you then, instead of looking at me, look at ritoky and review my case? | ||
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I see a pattern: push someone, and as soon as the realization happens that noone is quickly jumping the train, refrain from the final "you're scum" call and instead go down the "bad town" route, which is not constructive nor helpful. | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:19 ritoky wrote: boxerfred, you're wrong. move on. On February 04 2016 20:11 boxerfred wrote: Thanks for putting emphasis on this, it almost went unnoticed. This "I'm going to ignore disformation" thing is strange for various reasons: 1. ritoky has no reason to not think that disformation will be a valuable towny, especially since he said he's town reading him (he did so, didn't he?) 2. the part of ritoky's post I refer to in that sentence seems to be kinda angry, but not really. Where's the point then? It just derails town. 3. ritoky completely ignores this part of my case when he answers, up until now | ||
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