Star Wars: The Mafia Awaken

On February 04 2016 08:02 disformation wrote:
Sup fellows.
present and accounted for.

good news for NM and MD: I am probably not going to shoot one of you N1. probably.

On February 04 2016 08:12 nooniansoong wrote:
yo watsup im town. im going to be voting exclusively for plynches day 1 and 2. That's my new strategy. If you don't like it you can lynch me.
##vote mooseydoosey

On February 04 2016 12:34 NocturneMage wrote:
yo....

up a bit late but let's see what I can get out of the first few pages before I crash

page 9/10

Zyrre - says he's town in the opening salve and then apparently bails. Don't know the guy, seems new to the forums. He could have gotten something of the rest of page 9 or at least something behind but didn't. For now a light scum lean. Contrast that with marvellosity who just checked in and I got a "whatever" vibe from him. Mind you it's late for both of them, so IDK.

ritoky I'm feeling town from the way he's interrogating disformation.

The Damdred/disformation interaction appears based on meta - I will defer to something else to read them (I don't like using meta I'm not sure of).

Don't have good reads on either Palmar/Noon/DF pages 9/10.

Koshi's behaviour through page 11 can come from either alignment.

Don't like VayneAuthority's post 238 asking Damdred's methodology. Why can't he just separate the pre-game whatever and judge what Damdred has actually done? Seems a bit forced there.

No good read on JAT either. Latter is saying he wants to hang back on day 1. Reactive games are usually a scum tell for someone I don't know that well, but he's not new either it seems. Not sure if this is his normal meta.

On February 05 2016 13:25 ritoky wrote:


useful. as always.

On February 05 2016 13:46 ritoky wrote:


while you're in a loving mood, you should state those reads you have. then maybe your love won't be unrequited.

On February 05 2016 13:47 Chezinu wrote:

I WANT TO PLAY A GAME!

On February 05 2016 13:50 Chezinu wrote:
We need two more for a mafia game.

On February 05 2016 13:51 Chezinu wrote:
Ok! My town read is Chezinu!

On February 05 2016 13:51 ritoky wrote:
i will only play if we RNG the order

On February 05 2016 13:53 NocturneMage wrote:
Chez I will. Am I next?

On February 05 2016 14:07 NocturneMage wrote:
Moosy can I ask you a question or does it have to wait until the game ends?

On February 05 2016 14:42 Damdred wrote:
Guys moosey dumb yelled himself town.

life is easier

On February 05 2016 15:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
wait what. there's 4 mafia?

On February 05 2016 15:11 NocturneMage wrote:


Why?

On February 05 2016 15:14 NocturneMage wrote:
"Right now?" I think I know what ritoky is trying to do but why is what he what he is doing potentially scummy?

And if you are sure he's scummy, describe the context of his overall play - does that change anything?

On February 05 2016 15:16 Damdred wrote:
4 mafia there are

On February 05 2016 15:18 NocturneMage wrote:
The other problem I have with that answer by extension is that you are (I believe via context) talking about Damdred and not ritoky - seenig the words "and ritoky by extension" - ritoky wouldnt' be talking about himself.

So what is wrong with ritoky? You really haven't answered.

On February 05 2016 20:22 Koshi wrote:

Do you have a scumgame of his? I only remember 1 town game. It was horrid.

On February 05 2016 22:23 boxerfred wrote:

He's actively derailing the thread. Reactions to his posts are pure bullshit and do not help. Basically "doing nothing" (Onegu, MD) vs. "actively derailing town and doing nothing else" (Chezinu)

On February 05 2016 22:53 boxerfred wrote:

no. I failed at my last two or three games early on since I haven't had time. Now this happens. I'd love to vote for MD/Chez and I can isntantly pop up questions like "why those guys now, why not ritoky, why not kush?" those guys ruin the game. No way Onegu, Chez, MD, Kush are all mafia. So every single townie among those four should get the fuck out of this game.

On February 05 2016 23:15 boxerfred wrote:
I should elaborate. Just had a cigarette, calmed down a bit.


Basically, the way Chezinu and Moosy approach this game pisses me off. Given that nooniansong also seems to not give a fuck makes me re-think if I really want to put in the (little) time I already have in those games. I signed up for this game to have fun and participate a lot. Contrary to my latest games, I've fully read the thread despite rolling town which I normally do not like that much. I tend to not put any effort into the game if I am town, instead I go really low and don't watch the thread too closely. I do not have a problem with low activity players but I do have a problem with people that just screw up the thread. I can't believe that all four of Onegu, Chezinu, MoosyDoosy and nooniansong are mafia. However, Chezinu's and MD's posting styles make it really hard for me to stay calm and analyze shit. My case on ritoky might've not been the best one, but it was solid. The kind of one-liner conversation that we mainly had in the last 25 pages is something that I think does not bring town on a good way to find scum.

So, to stay constructive, I'd even refrain from my ritoky case now and leave it standing. People can bring that up later in the game. I strongly recommend to lynch between Chezinu, nooniansong, MoosyDoosy and Onegu, and I'd actually add Koshi to that list since I have the impression that he doesn't do much for town.

Among those four (five) players, nooniansong is the obvious lynch target. Bad defence, no contribution for town. Same goes for Moosy and Chez, those guys even derail the thread into plain bullshit. Onegue, while being sick (which I believe), is someone who I can hardly read anyways. MoosyDoosy has his dumbtell of 3 vs. 4 mafia going for him, can't see this guy actually pulling this play as scum. So there's Chezinu and nooniansong left. Well, nooniansong should IMHO, if he's town, indeed replace the fuck out of this game, while I don't feel that Chez will be usefull anytime soon.

Given that I agree on ritoky's/disformation's idea of one scum between NocturneMage and VayneAuthority, I feel like we should lynch one of them and shoot the other one at night. NM vs. Vayne didn't feel like town on town. Especially NM felt forced, his arguments weren't too good. However I liked his later explanations of them.

So. I'd say we lynch nooniansong. He's the "most likely to be mafia" player of all in my eyes. Chez is not worth a vig shot (yet), I'd rather use the vig shot to kill NM or Vayne. I'd prefer to lynch NM and shoot Vayne or the other way around.

Oh yeah, and I still haven't read 42+.

On February 06 2016 04:21 boxerfred wrote:
I will locate scum among everyone who does not drop a fucking read now

On February 06 2016 04:53 Rels wrote:

/discuss
I feel that this kind of post is very hard to make for scum.

On February 06 2016 06:26 NocturneMage wrote:
I have never played with Chezinu, does he ALWAYS play like this?

On February 06 2016 11:11 nooniansoong wrote:
not convinced at all that you're town moosy

On February 06 2016 11:21 nooniansoong wrote:

i believe you.

On February 07 2016 02:28 NocturneMage wrote:


How are you getting a read on Chez either way?

On February 07 2016 02:32 NocturneMage wrote:


About what?

On February 05 2016 13:56 Chezinu wrote:
I likes Palmar...

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 07 2016 03:17 boxerfred wrote:
MD, why Palmar + me scum but nooniansong only "poor"? Feels like you're trying to shift attention away from noon, your scum buddy? Why do you start being reasonable now, at night? Why not D1? Do you suck? Are you scum?

On February 07 2016 06:06 disformation wrote:

You mean like my JAT+NM+MARV+1 of MD/Chez/Onegu/noon tinfoil should palmar be town?

On February 07 2016 08:44 Damdred wrote:
GG

On February 08 2016 05:03 marvellosity wrote:

So you think I just randomly attacked 2 of my buddies in Va and palmar? Are you totally insane?

On February 08 2016 06:08 disformation wrote:
other random thought I had about the night kills:
aren't all 3 of them players that can lead/drive town into a decent direction?

On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote:
phoneposting



So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for?

On February 08 2016 07:13 marvellosity wrote:

i kinda feel like you're absence/dgaf during most of d1 into some sort of relative productivity is kinda townie, but i wouldn't bet strongly on it

bet you're glad you asked

On February 08 2016 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
not particularly, but if it makes you happy to give it, fill your boots

On February 08 2016 07:17 NocturneMage wrote:


I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case.

On February 08 2016 07:22 marvellosity wrote:

my life is a bit different from normal. trying not to be too crazy as other half is watching. All my posts for the last 53 hours or so barring the last 3 have been made on a phone where normally i play on my work pc / on my laptop at home. Indeed I'm not at home now, i'm with my other half at his.

On February 08 2016 07:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:

mMMm, hope everything works out well lAd.

On February 08 2016 07:44 NocturneMage wrote:
Battle of the Drams, I observed.

MoosyDoosy - town roleblocker - didn't know how to play his blue role. But still, 29 pages of filter through three cycles.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=MoosyDoosy

Look at how he pushes scum Rels in that game towards the end. Or his filter in general there, after day 1.

On February 08 2016 23:00 nooniansoong wrote:
palmar ruined this game, not that it was his fault.

On February 09 2016 00:14 nooniansoong wrote:


when playing board games with the fam you want to spend a minimal amount of time looking at your phone.

On February 09 2016 08:14 Rels wrote:

That seems super forced dude. Especially this early after the lynch.

On February 09 2016 00:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
There was also the thing with NM where he says I am bussing palmar pre-emptively and at the same time paints me for things as scummy that would by proxy make him scummy! which is terrible hypocritical logic that is often used by scum.

On February 09 2016 00:46 Rels wrote:
I don't believe NM can be mafia with Palmar, and Palmar is 99% scum, so I'm pretty sure NM is town.
He was fighting pretty hard for Palmar to be lynched D1, he even might have been the reason Damdred switched.

On February 09 2016 00:43 VayneAuthority wrote:


not really, you'll see that I conceded that his meta case on palmar was good and I give him props when he writes things that make sense.

I know you dont care much but go look at his recent posting again and tell me its remotely close to his original cases, its borderline gibberish/english.

On February 09 2016 01:19 disformation wrote:
NM can be pretty emotional. Not sure if that is AI for him though.
In Dark Tournament town!NM was pretty emotionally invested in lynching scum!HtS and later went pretty close to yelling at town!Trfel and going on tilt over that.
Sample size is too small to verify if he does so as scum too.

On February 09 2016 01:50 boxerfred wrote:
Hey guys. Just came back from carnival, am kinda drunk, won't do a thing now since we're all locked on Palmar anyways. I tend to be mislynched as soon as I afk from the thread, so keep that in mind if someone considers me a better lynch than Palmar.

On February 09 2016 08:27 Rels wrote:
I really don't like chez and moosy starting to post right after the flip.
Like, it really seems like they waited to see if a miracle would happen before posting. Or that they didn't want to say too much about their teammates.
Moosy still feel like town a little bit though ... Maybe a good check.

On February 09 2016 03:00 Koshi wrote:

What about we send MD/Onegu/Chez and let them fight it out? The least we try to kill Koshi the better. I promise.

On February 09 2016 08:45 Chezinu wrote:

What is Koshi saying in the qt?

On February 09 2016 20:50 boxerfred wrote:

ebwop: I have no problem to bus scum teammates D1 as I've shown already. I would've pinned Palmar down I guess.

On February 09 2016 22:41 boxerfred wrote:
So here is what happened D1:

Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy

Koshi is currently scum read by some persons. He went late Zyrre. He put his vote on Zyrre when it was 6-6 split between Palmar and Zyrre, and he does it rather late:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503495-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken-voting-thread?page=3#48


Roughly 20 minutes before deadline. The situation we're in is that Palmar is on the very edge of being lynched. He is the Godfather, yet he is afk - a big scum role that can confuse town really hard (remember - Finncop works not like the standard cop!) would be a huge loss D1.

Koshi seems to not care too much for this game D1. His reads are meager, he's not pushing anyone too hard, he feels wishywashy. But then it comes to his vote: initially, he forgets the "##unvote", then he corrects it, writing his vote in the correct way. However, it doesn't seem to be enough for him:


Why is that so important, given that the previous post was absolutely correct? It's tiny, yep, and might not be alignment indicative, but I can see a nervous close-to-deadline-with-GF-close-to-being-lynched scum!Koshi acting nervous.


That would bring us to:

Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy

Chez' vote on Zyrre would also make sense as scum. He said EoD2 after the Palmar lynch that he originally wanted to see Palmar dead D1 already - but he didn't vote him.

marvellosity's switch feels weird to me but yeah...not gonna put the tinfoil hat back on again, he was the one to initiate the whole Palmar thingy.

Rels feels townie to me. He's active and eager to do stuff, but the biggest thing is his genuine reaction to the LS replacement. On second thought though I'm not sure if that really was an alignment indicative dumbtell. I'd take it as that if LS would flip red, I'd lock Rels as town then. But - I do not know about LS' alignment, so yeah. Head and heart tell me though that Rels is town.

disformation feels to me like he is playing a weak town game. He doesn't dare to push people, although he picks stuff every now and then. I wish he'd actually push some people, drop some committed reads, instead of just staying in his comfort zone. He's either a townie afraid to appear bad or a scum guy playing a very soft, careful game. His D1 felt very townie to me, but I think he got away with my town read too easy. However he ended up voting the Palmar train and went through with that - I don't think scum!disformation would have the guts for such a bus. So I'll paint him green here, too.

VayneAuthority's activity level feels similar to what I learnt of him in other games. Town lean at this point, but not enough to paint him green in the PoE-kind-of-VCA I'm currently doing here. I paint him green because he was early on the Palmar wagon and did not leave at any point. This is not a 100% town read - but I want to simplify things.

boxerfred is town, I know that. Gonna add the colours..

Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Onegu
VayneAuthority (1): MoosyDoosy

nooniansong was scumread by me D1. I don't understand exactly why people like marv (?) started to townread him and I would really like to get an explanation on that from the guys who townread him. If he's scum, his vote was safe and sound on Zyrre. A solid no-risk-scum-play at D1.

darthfoley really dropped off in activity. At least that's how I feel like. I need to filter-dive here and I'm glad for anyone dropping reads on those two guys.

NocturneMage - can't drop a read, didn't look into yet. Gotta do this though to at least gain some impression. Only impression I have is from D1 where NM fought VA, and I'm not sure how to judge that.

Last, but not least:

MoosyDoosy. Voting outside both trains feels weird. But I think this is rather town indicative than scum indicative. The wagons were close, and the Zyrre lynch happened rather last minute. If he was scum with Palmar, I'm sure he'd have switched earlier - a last second switch would've put a bad light on him, especially given that there was no guarantee that Palmar would survive the night.

Onegu got replaced by LightningStrike. LS should step up now and do something for town. If he remains rather low activity and lurky, he should be lynched sooner or later. No way to have this guy in LYLO.


What do you guys think?

On February 09 2016 22:44 boxerfred wrote:

Hm this is interesting since I located him in a rather scummy spot in my post above. Koshi was voting nooniansong D1, I didn't pay attention to this. So if Koshi flips red, we have nooniansong in a safe spot.

On February 09 2016 23:16 NocturneMage wrote:
Here is the vote count with strikethroughs:



Here is your VCA (spoilered for brevity)

+ Show Spoiler [Your vote analysis] +

I want to focus on a few things. First question - the read on Moosy - I don't quite understand this.



IIRC, Moosy was entirely afk or nearly entirely AFK for end of cycle. His only vote came roughly 19 hours before the end when I was playing the "pick a townie" game with him in the middle of the night (our time). It was on VA, and he never pushed that vote. He just threw it down and left (quotes below, or read his filter)

He placed his vote down on VA and never moved it (if you can see HTS votecount with all the cancelled votes), and was completely AFK so regardless of Palmar's alignment the vote looks poor because he escapes accountability altogether.

This was his vote

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=40#791

This was his FINAL post before end of cycle about 18h before end of cycle:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=42#838

This was his first post ~1h AFTER the lynch

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=73#1443

Here's the question - now knowing or possibly realising that Moosy was severely AFK and his non-push of his own vote, does this make him any more or less town to you?

On February 09 2016 23:23 boxerfred wrote:

You assume that Moosy was AFK. I think he was lurking (ie. not afk). A lurky scum!Moosy would have switched to Zyrre at some point IMHO which is why in my VCA I say it's town indicative. Of course can just be idgaf afk, yep.
Hm I'm gonna give two answers:

Lurky, lazy Moosy: townish for not voting Zyrre
AFK Moosy: scummy/nullish

Given that he was in-thread one hour after the lynch I can see him being AFK. Plus, this:


Yeah I should scumlean him, minimum. Especially since I just saw

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?page=42#840

which paints you green af. How could I miss this lol?

On February 10 2016 04:26 boxerfred wrote:
By the way, everyone's so sure on Koshi and Chez, yet I am the only person to actually have voted? Are you guys unsure suddenly or what?

On February 10 2016 05:10 NocturneMage wrote:
Nooniansoong, I just saw your Moosy read.

+ Show Spoiler [Your Moosy read] +

Do you see a pattern here?

Day 1 reads

+ Show Spoiler +

Day 2

+ Show Spoiler [Moosy Day 2 reads] +

Along with another point raised earlier to disformation about Moosy dodging questions:

+ Show Spoiler [addressing the question dodging of Moosy] +

Are we possibly seeing a pattern here? All in all, if you read Moosy's entire filter, he's not committing to much of anything in terms of scumreads (except the obvious town ones).

These points together? Alongside the solo vote, Moosy has a decent shot of being scum. Thoughts?

On February 10 2016 07:15 NocturneMage wrote:


Actually, no it wasn't. All of the points had references, some can doubt the subjectivity of number 3 but the rest of the points it is pretty clear if you read the filter and read the thread.

You might also consider addressing Nooniansoong's case against you too. He brought up some original points against you I think that I didn't consider when I first read them.

On February 10 2016 08:18 disformation wrote:
I am also super not liking the roles we got tbh.
If there is/are wanderer(s) on top of the GF I am going to be super mad, too.

On February 10 2016 08:05 Chezinu wrote:
But... I taunted the strongman.. the strongman didn't go after me

On February 10 2016 08:20 Rels wrote:
Going to sleep. See you tomorrow. Kinda grumpy at those flips.

On February 10 2016 08:21 Rels wrote:

You're thinking of TMI ?

On February 10 2016 08:23 boxerfred wrote:

okay Rels can you get mad at MD now and also scum read him

On February 10 2016 08:29 Rels wrote:

Shut up. Marv was killed because he's marv. NM was killed because VA knew he tracked him. Your argument is bullshit.

On February 10 2016 09:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea im just trolling im mafia.

But i actually did visit marv n1

On February 10 2016 09:16 Rels wrote:
anyway good night. I hope moosy is scum so nm can have 4/4 :D
Kinda think it's chez though

On February 10 2016 09:20 VayneAuthority wrote:


yea man great day 1 play here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=MoosyDoosy

On February 05 2016 14:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
VayneAuthority
Onegu
Koshi

And we have our Mafia

##Vote: VayneAuthority

On February 10 2016 09:25 disformation wrote:
problem:
both moosydoosy and chez play to have fun/troll a lot. THis will be so hard. xD
And moosy I know that you have 0 qualms about bussing your mates.

On February 10 2016 09:28 LightningStrike wrote:

NM thought she was as scum when he got in that game lol.........

On February 10 2016 19:27 boxerfred wrote:
Rels, take a step back, take a breather, stop oneliners, re-read filters. I know the attitude you're in from the game we played where I was scum. We were constantly cheering to you in our QT because the confusion your fast ideas created plus your tunneling was really great for us back then. It really feels like it's exactly the same as it was back then (which, well, means you're confirmed town, yeah, that's good).

Take your time to type out your posts. Stay readable (comprehensive). Calm down.

I'm still a bit afraid that LS is scum. TBH if we go purely after activity, he should be dead. He hasn't contributed too much, too. LS, I would like you to drop your reads on darthfoley, MD and Chez, and I really want those reads to have substance. Do some work. I mean you have 72h+ time for that now since VA is gonna be the lynch today, a flipped blue called us to do so. Also, please explain to us what thus far makes you town.

MoosyDoosy, what makes you town in this game and why should we not lynch you?
Chez, who's scum? What makes you town?
Darthfoley, do you think the last mafia is LS, Chez, or MD?

Also I think I have quite a good idea on who else in this game is blue.

On February 11 2016 07:53 Chezinu wrote:
The in crowd knows I'm town!

On February 11 2016 08:38 LightningStrike wrote:

To blue for you

On February 11 2016 08:52 disformation wrote:

Then he needs to stop lynching town in future games. duh.

On February 16 2016 07:03 disformation wrote:
Should I cease to be around, remember to try and get MD to explain/answer these: