Newbie Student Mafia XIX

Shape log says darthfoley and eden1892 gave Ikidomari a back door or of the situation. Seeing as Darth and eden1892 completely dropped all accusation almost immediately, this is not as wild a point as it seems.

I still think you could have just pointed out the WIFOMness of my suggestion. Therefore making my suggestion null

or *insert blue role*. To seem valuable.

since claiming to be a blue role would not only be very suspicious, it would be counterproductive. The Mafia would now know one of the blues

Alur's feel for Kuragari is that his play shows mafia indicators. Not exactly reason for voting.


Alur has been 'gone' after "switching to dota". He was gone for less than 15 minutes, and the first thing he does is vote on Kura? What seems to prompt this vote was a VC by LoneMeow. I think Alur was simply trying to stop the bandwagon on Onegu (4 votes at the time).

This looks to be a simple sheep, as darthfoley has agreed with all of Alur's scum read reasons. I suspect darthfoley was a little bit irritated at Kura's dumb read on him.

BTW I still think Tumblewood is scum.

I'm not sure about nooniansoong

Someone please make a link to those posts(you know when you say 'here' and it's a hyperlink). I don't know how.

even though I believe I have caught the scum and this discussion, when analyzed, might prove useful. (Obviously I can't analyze it, it would be biased)

also, school. I'll find reasons to come back online every so often

Eden decided(with his town reads), that the Mafia must come from PepperMintTea, nooniansoong, and Tumblewood. {post #1691}
He went on to scum read Tumblewood and nooniansoong.

Eden saw that
•Ikidomari was flip floppy on Tumblewood
•Ikidomari thought Trfel was for sure Mafia
•Ikidomari attacked Trfel for Trfel's tumblewood read

He used this information to associate Ikidomari with Tumblewood.

Eden does the same thing with nooniansoong, using the weirdness of noon's attack on Trfel, his town read on Eden, and his being on IKidomari's null/watch list.

I actually this this is good case. Due to my association read of Eden1892 (which was completely wrong), I thought by more association that Trfel was scum. But definitely less likely now.

If reason #1,
I can believe a Tumble wood and nooniansoong scumteam.

Let's think of the people who would look less suspicious if Eden1892 were to die and flip town.

This would include:
• Eden's town reads
•People who had a lot of interaction with Eden (especially near the end)

The people who fit best into those categories are:
_MexicanAlien
Trfel
darthfoley

MexicanAlien.
Eden1892 flying off the handle at me (loads of useless talk) but near the end giving me a 'basically confirmed town' would really help me as scum.

Trfel.
This guy seems to have been really buddying Eden a lot, especially for having scum read Eden. He mostly stayed in the background early in the game without making many connections, but then came out and agreed with almost everything Eden says. Also, Eden was town reading Trfel for a good amount of time, so this could leave Trfel with still a clear name.

darthfoley.
He's vigilante. 'Nuff said.

I feel much less confident in this reason than in #1, mostly because of less powerful logic.

If reason #2, Trfel is Mafia.
I don't have any idea as to who his scummate would be, too tired at this point.

Early on in the game he refused to give explanations of his townreads time and time again, because he didn't want to ' give them a free defense'. This made a little bit of sense while the game was still young, but it doesn't later because you should want to prove to the rest of town that your townreads are true, so you can go on hunting scum.

With his scumreads, not posting them initially also makes a little bit of sense, but again, as the game goes on, you should be willing to prove/back up your reads. nooniansoong's play seemed very 'I read X, Y, Z as town and A, B, C as scum, but I don't want to tell you why. Because I'm too cool and I'm going to be right.'

It seems his apparent willingness to at least partially share his reasoning (however copied and repetitive it may be) now is the fact that he has been coming under increasing suspicion as the game moves along. So, to try to appear helpful and town, he posts a lot more.

also, nooniansoong seems almost too willing to let the newbs (me, shapelog, ect) direct the rest of town with bad reads and seems to go along with unspoken newb consensus. he seems to promote the suspicions and reads of the newbies as long as they don't conflict with his agenda.

@nooniansoong
You should come up with better scumreads than that if you want anyone to back you.
I apologize in advance if you are town, but you aren't doing an awful lot to stop it, now are you?

I was as helpful as I could possibly be for D1/N1, and my reads have gotten better and I have been on the scum trail more as the game progresses but I do admit the frequency of my posts has dropped dramatically since N3-ish

Votes Kuragari42
Votes Onegu
Votes Kuragari42

Result: Kuragari42 lynch

Votes JesusIncarnate
Votes Ikidomari (note: PMT was the last one aboard the Ikiwagon)

Result: Ikidomari lynch

Votes scott13733
Votes Tumblewood (last person aboard Tumblewagon)
Votes scott13733
Votes Tumblewood (last person aboard, again)

Result: Tumblewood lynch

Votes nooniansoong

Result: nooniansoong lynch

BTW, this is not some twisted scum tactic to try to evade guilt. I fully believe PMT is scum, and for the record, if I'm not around to vote for some reason and a she turns up town, I still want responsibility for lynching, because her play is bad if she's town, and I'm the only other suspect.

Especially Shapelog, Trfel, nooniansoong, and Eden1892