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On January 23 2016 00:19 nooniansoong wrote: 1. PepperMintTea-newb 2. Tumblewood-smurf 3. JesusIncarnate-smurf 4. Alur-newb 5. Kuragari42-smurf 6. darthfoley -newb 7. Ikidomari -newb 8. _MexicanAlien -smurf What is a smurf? Is it lower than a newbie? | ||
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On January 26 2016 12:15 Onegu wrote: The newbies are all like wtf is going on here. ......yeah | ||
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^ This is the original movie. TheEyePoster.jpg32.2kB ^ This the remake of the movie | ||
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On January 26 2016 20:42 _MexicanAlien wrote: The-Eye-2002-poster.jpg25.4kB ^ This is the original movie. TheEyePoster.jpg32.2kB ^ This the remake of the movie Darn it the picture upload didn't work *confused * | ||
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Original Remake | ||
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Yeah no Pupa duplex has never been scientifically recorded. Yet | ||
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we should come up with a strategy | ||
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We need information. | ||
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One slip-up and your post is urined. | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:37 Shapelog wrote: I do something/suggest something dumb, Post something un relating Comment on someone elses post and do something dumb again, and then post something unrelating? WIFOM So the question is why is shapelog suggesting this himself? To throw suspicion elsewhere? To seem ignorant? He is not a noob so he's playing this way on purpose. Either troll or scum | ||
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Very good reasons. | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:57 _MexicanAlien wrote: Off for now be back at maybe around 04:00 GMT (+00:00) 6:00 AM CAT* didn't work properly | ||
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You said you think that Shapelog seemed "overexcited or nervous". If he was in fact town, why would he be nervous? He should be put off by accusations/scum observations. Also, what about being townie make him overexcited? I can see how rolling mafia would make a noob overexcited or nervous. | ||
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2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien. He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs). Talk about other players. On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote: Is anyone else here seeing a pattern? Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed. [/QUOTE] I actually did know that Mafia knew the setup, but I forgot when I posted about giving away info. I thought the pattern I was referring to seemed clear. Shapelog thought of something, harped on that topic, when others said it was counterproductive he suddenly switched sides and heeled put down his own suggestion. For the most part, Shapelog seems to be too eager too agree with whatever anyone proposes. Also looks too helpful to me, ignores his own defense, sutly defending me with cheap townie reads. | ||
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On January 27 2016 14:25 darthfoley wrote: Sure. I think that Shapelog's first few posts were pretty bad from a town standpoint. What I mean by that, is that I could see an eager player latching onto Shapelog's questions about the blue roles and believing that he's just being terribly obvious scum. I actually disagree with MexicanAlien's read re Shapelog, but I can see why another newer player could interpret it as simply obvious mafia play. If you want to know my reasons, look at my reply to Alur + I don't think an inexperienced mafia player who was on the hot seat right off the bat would respond by continued activity and the longest filter in the game so far. I hesitate to give MexicanAlien anything more than a slight town read now. I think he's null town lead. I also have some suspicions of my own, but like you, I would prefer to keep them to myself until more people have joined the conversation. Looking at this from a new angle, I see your point. I'm not ready to dismiss Shapelog as a suspect, but I get how he just might be "too scum" to actually be scum. Either he's clique noob scum, or he's simply bad at focusing, too talkative, and a noob. | ||
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On January 27 2016 15:21 Shapelog wrote: How is trying to read the person everyone has mixed emotion on a bad thing? I guess I could see what you mean by less interactive. Trfel is right in a way. My primary motivation is solving the game. To a player with my experience, Shapelog's comments and posts seem to very strongly suggest that he is scum. Therefor, in an attempt to solve the game (by convincing myself and others as to the identity of the Mafia), I became a little overeager and attached to Shapelog's trial. Also, when it was just Onegu, Darthfoley, Shapelog, and myself posting the game was quite simple. Simple to analyze, that is. When all these other players came on and started posting, the game became much much more complicated. Because of that, I am trying to come up with reads on different people through their opinions and posts. This is going to take me some time. Anyway, I have to go now. I will be back later in the day. | ||
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Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player. There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though. | ||
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Onegu as a townie veteran would probably know better, and not encourage interpreting bad play as scummy. Onegu as a Mafia veteran would have wanted to bandwagon Shapelog. Also, Onegu hardly puts forward any original arguments for Shapelog's guilt, instead he just reposts others'. This would allow him to not seem like scum if Shapelog was lynched and flipped Townie. | ||
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On January 27 2016 22:04 JesusIncarnate wrote: Good day lads. I already hate shapelog. I think they're scum. Quite clear they are trying to make themselves seem incredibly towny. No fear of putting a target on their back either. I mean, lol making a potential setup list is pointless. stupid Mexican seems town to me, I wouldnt expect a scum to do something in this tone with this little care for other people. okay so now im moving along and shape is calling his posts dumb after being called out. ResidentSleeper. quite the twist on peppers post. I think they were trying to spout "helpful" stuff (ie: the potential rolelists) i also like alur, there reads are pretty similar to mine. tumblewood has kind of similar reads to mine, but he is null on pepper. So what the fuck are you doing boy? My next post will be page 16 onward. Dude what do you expect from a newbie game? Why are you giving your irrelevant feedback on things that do not relate to what's going on? Read the whole thread before posting. Your opinions have [probably] already been expressed and you are spamming. | ||
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Relevant = what relates to the observation you want to share. It would be different if you quoted one person's long post. | ||
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Come on Shape log, maybe give some focus and do something instead of telling everyone what you are going to do next. You have told us you are gong to read this person's filter, then that person's filter. We don't care whose filter you are going to read or not. After you actually read the promised filters, maybe you can give us some original feedback and thoughts. | ||
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You voted to lynch her for the implied reasoning below: "I can't understand her reads." "she was in the thread for a very short period of time...." Then you took back your vote because of PepperMintTea's "point against onegu". What do you think about PepperMintTea now and why? | ||
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On January 27 2016 18:03 PepperMintTea wrote: .... To quickly answer a question I saw has come up a few times. Generally of the form "why does nervousness make him town?" I don't know the exact reason. Maybe he is nervous about being mis-lynched, maybe he is anxious to get town read by other players. The point being it is easy to be nervous or anxious if you are a new player. Whatever the reason, I viewed his haphazard posting as a result of over excitement and nerves and that this is typically town. .... This may be late in coming but I think it deserves some thought. I find it interesting how PMT rephrases this question. She says "why does nervousness make him town?", when more along the lines of what was asked is "why would nervousness make him seem town?" Or "why do you think being nervous makes him town?" It looks like PMT took it for granted that people thought Shapelog is town from that point on. She goes on to say "I don't know the exact reason." This "reason" is an opinion, not a fact! Shouldn't PMT be aware as to her own reasons for town reading Shapelog? He is obviously not nervous about being mis-lynched, and not stressing about trying to prove his townieness. PMT ends with the conclusion that Shapelog's "haphazardous posting is a result of his overexitment and nerves and that this is typically town." THIS IS RIDICULOUS. Since when is overexitement and nerves a symptom of being townie ?? PepperMintTea is Mafia! | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:21 PepperMintTea wrote: I was asked the same question more than once and that is the general form. Considering I read shapelog as town and these are the questions I was asked , my "rephrasing of the question" is in fact not interesting. It appears you have not understood what I said and I apologise for that. Let me simplify things for you. I don't know the exact reason behind ShapeLog being nervous or over excited. There could be many reasons, I gave a few. However I do think he came across as nervous or over excited, that is my opinion. As a result of this it caused his haphazardous posting. In my opinion Haphazardous posting of that form typically comes from town. hence my conclusion. If you don't understand that then I feel sorry for you. Let the readers decide what is interesting. Why did you exclude the most plausible reason for Shapelog's nervousness? He is Mafia. It's Occam's razor. The best reason for the way he is acting is that he is Mafia. And the most plausible reason for you excluding this very obvious solution is that you are Mafia too. So-called "haphazardous" posting is a great way for Mafia to Spam out important points and make people lose focus. | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:38 PepperMintTea wrote: People who say "Occam's razor" trying to be intelligent often achieve the opposite. in my experience lots of haphazrdous posting is That is irrelevant banter. My point still stands. If you have trouble understanding the reference, go to Wikipedia. Your experience is worth squat here. | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:41 Shapelog wrote: Yeah I am totally mafia with PepperMintTea. Totally because how I was the first person to make a mini case about her and i will totally push my scum mate into the lynch candidates (Kush/noon did talk about it, but he just asked questions and voted) Yeah Totally Brah. Dude no one trusts what you say. If anything, your illogical case against her actually helped her. | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:54 Shapelog wrote: Dude no one trusts what you say. If anything, your illogical case against her actually helped her. I don't care if no one trusts what I say. All i am focus on is finding mafia and getting a direction figured out for d2 (which i can only do after lynch) But How did my case help her. By saying all she has been doing is posing defenses and nothing else?[/QUOTE] If you can only do this after lynch then it's not relevant now. What happened to being "naturally submissive" and not defending yourself? Your case against PMT helped her since you have no cred, therefore people are more likely to dismiss what you say to be false/stupid. | ||
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Only if you are willing. I just want motives to be clearer. Top three suspects in order. If you want to include reasoning feel free. Thank you | ||
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2. PepperMintTea 3. Onegu | ||
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Shapelog was spouting some seriously scummy stuff in the early stages of the game. While you might say it's 'too scummy to be scum', you have to remember he's a newbie. So he is prone to make the 'obvious' mistakes as Mafia. Also, looking stupid is a bonus for him if he is scum. Let's pretend for a second that he is confirmed townie. Wouldn't he try to amend his bad rep from early on by trying to keep in-game focus, stop spamming, and find scum? You have to admit a good deal of his posts are SPAM, and what little input he does give seems hard on other people's reads. Or just lucky questioning. So why is Shapelog not trying to improve his gameplay, like he said he wanted to? | ||
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On January 28 2016 09:33 darthfoley wrote: Curious whether your mafia reads have changed at all since posting? Pepperminttea is in my town pile right now-- how confident are you in this list? I'm surprised that both Shapelog and MexicanAlien have been inactive the past 5-6 hours. Especially given the burst in activity from both in the first day of D1. Hey darthfoley, I have sleeping for the last 7 hours or so. There has been a lot more upheaval in opinions and reads and votes than I expected, so it's going to take me some time to try to analyze these new posts. From quickly skimming over the last few hours, Shapelog still seems a bit scummy to me, maybe because his almost lack of logic when it comes to countering scumreads against him. And most everyone seems content to defend him. May or may not be a bad thing. As for PepperMintTea, I am still waiting for an answer to my question. That is, paraphrasing, Why did you ignore the most likely explanation for Shapelog's nervousness/over posting? I'm suspicious of PMT because she seems to ask a lot of questions, disappear, refuse to add anything until questions are answered, gives very illogical rebuffs to questions asked of her. Onegu, I need to do some thinking. I'm not sure about him right now. | ||
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On January 28 2016 13:22 darthfoley wrote: I just want to point out how terrible JesusIncarnate's filter is right now. ........ 2. He disagrees with both on darthfoley... ... Isn't reactionary generally used to describe scum play? ....... I think JesusIncarnate is mafia My favorite thing about this read is the apparent lack of bias darthfoley shows. | ||
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7. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. | ||
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I'd also like to point out that while darthfoley has changed his vote a couple times, he continues to clarify his reads and doesn't contradict himself. If he's mafia, he's extremely good and may God save my neck. darthfoley is Vanilla Townie | ||
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On January 28 2016 15:07 darthfoley wrote: Can it actually be that simple Eden? Wouldn't a mafia coach specifically coach against some of the stuff (e.g. noob card, "he's either town or mafia" reads, etc.) that Ikidomari posted? darthfoley let's just wait and see what Ikidomari has to say for himself. Then decide from there. | ||
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I'm probably the weakest player in the game, so feel free to lynch me for that reason,... Falls back on "I'm the weakest player" when there are better candidates for that role (Shapelog....ect). He's trying to guilt us into not lynching him! This would be a horrible strategy for a townie, a last resort as Mafia! | ||
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On January 28 2016 15:19 Tumblewood wrote: My reads on Onegu and Trfel haven't changed, but you can add JesusIncarnate and Ikidomari to that list. JesusIncarnate is scummy IMO for being inactive and unhelpful. Ikidomari... I would have probably townread, but Eden has scumreading powers I am not yet blessed with, and I can't help but agree with her. On the subject of Onegu and Trfel, I think it would still make sense if they were scum together, but it's getting hard to picture Onegu as scum now (even without him saying anything) when there are four players I believe are acting scummier. This is a weird game. darthfoley asks Tumbleweed for his views on Onegu and Trfel, Tumbleweed says his reads haven't changed, but then goes on to say his read on Onegu is getting weaker. Tumble joins the Jesus wagon on grounds of "inactive and unhelpful", but he doesn't accuse others for any of these reasons, even though in his mind it should be solid ground. He implies his TR on Ikidomari, but then jumps on Ikidomari's wagon too! And he bases this on the fact that Eden1892 had better scumreading 'powers' than him. While this may be true, it is hardly reason for wagoning Ikidomari. | ||
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On January 28 2016 15:31 Ikidomari wrote: I agree, using the "I'm a noob" excuse is cheap, and should be disregarded. Lynch me for being useless. Again with the guilting. | ||
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On January 28 2016 15:38 Ikidomari wrote: I should clarify. Order of events is 1. I start writing my first long post 2. darth writes his case against jesus 3. I read darth's case [bold] after [/bold] writing my part on jesus 4. I post 5. I realize I have to vote 6. I vote for my least favorite person in the game so far- Jesus has contributed very little, his attitude annoys me, other players have a case against him too. that last point about other players having a case against him is important to me, I don't want to mis-lynch someone, in the off chance that it's a close vote, and my vote tips the scales. Here's my last point in defense for now. If I was mafia, I'm most afraid of Eden and Darth, and people in the thread know that. If I survive being lynched today, who dies in the night will pretty much confirm whether or not I'm mafia / town, and I'm an easy vote for day 2. This is WIFOM | ||
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1. darthfoley 2. Eden1892 3. Undecided | ||
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On January 28 2016 15:49 Ikidomari wrote: ..... the difference is that town has no motivation to gain towncred, town has motivation to solve the game. mafia need to gain towncred twice as much as town do. at least in my very limited understanding, that's the way I see it. One of the best ways to help solve the game is to establish oneself as townie, therefore narrowing down the potential mafia candidates. Townies also want towncred because then people will be more likely to listen to their reads, and therefore saving time for the rest of the townies. | ||
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On January 28 2016 15:46 Ikidomari wrote: what does WIFOM mean? and NAI for that matter. Wine In Front Of Me. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM | ||
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On January 28 2016 15:55 Eden1892 wrote: I am dumb, this isn't going anywhere. This guy's probably not mafia. ##UNVOTE .... But I believe you sincerely believe what you say, and if I believe this, then your explanation makes sense to me from your POV. Eden1892, I noticed something that slightly bothered me. You point out a ton of logical mistakes and backdoors in Ikidomari's long post. You show amazement at the apparent scumcatch oh my goodness its actual literal christmasland and lock for scum And you even find scummy motives in Ikidomari's wagonjump on Jesusincarnate. like he literal called Travel actual scum and Jesus town... Then when wagons are showing up to be Trfel(actual scum) or Jesus (unhelpful town) drops a vote to push the wagon on his town read ahead of his scum read. You seem to want other people to vote for Ikidomari and seem slightly annoyed that people aren't joining the Ikiwagon. Everyone stop trying to lynch the bait and lynch the mafia instead But then out of nowhere you start falling for Ikidomari's **** sigh hitting me right in the feels with "keep me alive so I can learn" Note- that last quote may have been sarcasm, I don't know You ask Ikidomari what changed his mind about JesusIncarnate (changed from 'unhelpful town' to scum) He says it was Jesus' attitude Sure. It was his attidue. I admit I am biased because I dislike the way he types, but I couldn't stop thinking about motivations as to why he'd be so arrogant, and how that arrogance could be used to his advantage. This sounds good. But I went back and looked at his initial read of Jesus. ....He's coming off as extremely arrogant, enough so that it has got to be some sort of act. ...my read is that jesus is an unhelpful town... You see? Ikidomari claims his read on JesusIncarnate changed while he was still writing his post, but the reason he gave for the read change is one of the original reasons for his original read! Ikidomari didn't change his read. He wanted to bandwagon JesusIncarnate to take the pressure of of himself. Eden1892, I want to know why specifically you believe Ikidomari's reasoning. What made you let Ikidomari off the hook so easily? | ||
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Ikidomari town reads Jesus because of Jesus' arrogance. Ikidomari votes to lynch his town read. Ikidomari says his read on Jesus changed. Ikidomari claims his read changed because of Jesus' arrogance. So according to Iki, Jesus being arrogant makes him 1. Unhelpful Townie 2. Mafia Scum CONTRADICTION | ||
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Also, the VI is asleep or busy. I don't know if the rest of us who are online are up for conversation. | ||
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I was going to save this for later, but maybe it's just best to share it now. Why were you saving it for later? Why not just say it? I don't know why people are townreading Alur, and I think there's a fair chance that he is mafia. His posting doesn't feel very involved. It feels like he's staying under the radar, and he's not driving things forward. I don't see him driving things forward from his perspective, either. His reads don't match well. One example of this is how he started by saying that he thinks it's wrong to townread Kuragari42, but doesn't say that he is scum. How is disagreeing with a TR but not accusing scum suspicious? Then he says that Kuragari42 and I (Trfel) are his top scum reads, and then says that maybe Onegu is a bit scummy. And then votes for Kuragari42 over Onegu (no mention of me). Well no duh he is going to vote for Kuragari42 (his top scum read) over Onegu (his maybe scum lean). The big thing is that he's been very under the radar since he started being townread. I do find this suspicious though. You would think if he was townread he would continue posting like a townie. He may just be sleeping or busy, though. | ||
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I would value your opinions and thoughts on the case I present in posts #711 and #712. Namely, Eden1892 vs. Ikidamari ----> Eden1892 + Ikidamari | ||
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On January 28 2016 18:36 PepperMintTea wrote: sorry I can't respond intelligently Get over yourself. Honestly though, I don't know why everybody ignores the point I made about how you purposefully ignore the possibility of Shapelog's guilt. Either you're lucky or I need to go back and see who spammed my post into oblivion. | ||
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On January 28 2016 18:38 Trfel wrote: I mean, I know you didn't ask me, but.... Ikidomari actually said that he was reading JesusIncarnate as both town and scum in the same post. I don't feel that this is scummy, and it comes across more like carelessly towny to me. His townread on JesusIncarnate wasn't very strong to begin with, and it is reasonable to go from a weak townread to a scumread. Ikidomari's explanation of his read changing in response to darthfoley's case on JesusIncarnate also makes sense. Quote where Ikidomari said he reads JesusIncarnate as both town and scum. It may have been a weak town read, but that's not the impression Ikidomari gave. READ my post. Ikidomari uses the same observation as a town read and a scum read. This doesnt make sense. Look at my post whet I quoted Ikidomari and his reasoning. | ||
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Your honest opinion was based on misreads and mistakes, so that particular opinion is worth nothing. This is not about JesusIncarnate's play. This is about Ikidomari's read. | ||
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On January 28 2016 19:11 Trfel wrote: Oh. Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari. Really sorry about that I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate. What about Ikidomari's play leads you to a town read? Please quote him when necessary. Also, if you find yourself quoting something out of his loooong post, kindly ready eden1892's response to it first. | ||
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Read Eden1892's response it it first. | ||
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On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote: If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads. I feel Eden1892's read of Ikidomari is quite good. Obviously the quality of his read is subjective, and I see how you could have reached your conclusion. Thank you for your response. | ||
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darthfoley Shape log PepperMintTea Alur My biggest scum reads: Ikidomari Tumbleweed Scum lean: JesusIncarnate | ||
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On January 28 2016 22:20 nooniansoong wrote: @trfel i agree with you about alur. I don't think we should pressure him until later in the game though. Your case on tumblewood regarding page 16 makes no sense to me. Tumblewood said shape was scummy before page 16. Then he gives quotes from after page 16 to demonstrate why he's scummy. That is what you are talking about right? The way I interpret that is he is looking at those quotes after page 16 as additional evidence, and he feels the pre 16 stuff has already been layed out. I agree with you about the tumbleweed case | ||
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On January 28 2016 23:05 Shapelog wrote: Catching up There was also someone who he said was town (pepper?) because they posted good questions, but then calls Trofl scummy because of his questions. There just seems to be a lot contradictions in his reads. If you read Trfel's filter, you will see what he means. Many of Trfel's questions are of no/low value, and could be designed to make Trfel active and interested in scumhunting. Kuragari42, what do you think this observation means? Having an answer to this doesn't help, as Kuragari42 made an observation and implied a read/lean/whatever. darthfoley, can you explain what you meant from this statement, and any conclusion you may have drawn from this? This was when Darthfoley wanted to hear more about my pattern and he stated that he understands why a newer player would think Shapelog is scum. There is no further explanation needed, and he stated his conclusion already. it seems a lot of people are suspecting Tumbleweed, can someone remind me as to why? Instead of just reading the accusations, he asks if someone could tell him again, which will result in long repeat posts. And these: what do you think of Kuragari42? give me a bit about Pepperminttea can you explain how your read on Shapelog changed as time passed It seems like he wants to constantly rehash information. | ||
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## unvote ## vote Tumbleweed | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote: Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know. The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post). I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers. You might want to show how darthfoley and eden1982 were not bailing you out or giving you backdoors. if you guys were a scum team you would ignore this point. | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:22 PepperMintTea wrote: The best thing the two of you can do is convince us you are town rather than just sitting there waiting to answer questions. I agree with PMT. This is 'guilty until proven innocent'. And you two aren't doing a whole darn lot to show your town alignment. | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:31 Ikidomari wrote: Sure, Here's why we aren't a scum team. If I was mafia, I fucked up bad, real bad. What I did was a horrendous play for mafia, and if eden and darth were my teammates, if they had two brain cells to rub together they'd immediately throw me under the bus and distance themselves from me, not try and rescue me. Sure, they'd be playing from behind 1 man down, but it's a far better option than losing the game then and there. Put yourself in Mafia's shoes, if your ally shits the bed, do you help him clean it up, getting dirty in the process, or do you pretend you don't know the guy? Haha. Turns out I was WIFOMing you. Mafia would never ignore the accusation in question+ Show Spoiler + Shape log says darthfoley and eden1892 gave Ikidomari a back door or of the situation. Seeing as Darth and eden1892 completely dropped all accusation almost immediately, this is not as wild a point as it seems. A Mafia would try to bail out scummates from being associated with himself, like you just did. Or tried to do Also think of it this way. If darthfoley and eden1892 were successful, you would get off scot-free. No one would suspect you. High- risk, high reward. | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:34 Tumblewood wrote: On phone so I can't quote, but Q: What don't you like about Onegu's big post? A: It was a huge post that would appear to be helping, but most of it was just "I'd sheep kush on that" and "Bad newbie, bad," so it was a huge nothing post. Q: You said Onegu was scummy but then said he wasn't. A: He's just as scummy, but there are four people I see as scummier, so I would suspect Onegu less anyway. Q: Why did you add JesusIncarnate and Ikidomari to your scum list when town did? A: Because I am an easily convinced man. For real, Ikidomari had only just posted, and JesusIncarnate I'd half forgotten about and half expected to post. If he doesn't post before EOD I think he's the scummiest. I have posted from a phone since the beginning, doesn't stop me. It's harder but still very possible. | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:55 Alur wrote: Rofl. What doc? How can you be sure this is setup A) or C)? He could be sure if he was Mafia | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:57 Ikidomari wrote: Let's take this a step further then. In the hypothetical situation where I'm mafia: either Eden or Darth aren't my Teammates, I've been caught as obvious scum. My best play to help my team at this point is to put a strong townie under suspicion. I "fall" for your obvious WIFOM, and either A) You believe my response and drop suspicion on me, or B) "you got me", and you now suspect a good town to be mafia. Don't tell me how WIFOM works, then expect me to immediately fall for it jesus. I made a bad play in my first ever game, but I'm not a moron. As to why I responded, Either I ignore the post, other people read your "if you don't respond to this you're scum", and conclude that I am, indeed scum If I do reply you pull this WIFOM shit on me, and I at least have a chance to retort it. If I'm still alive come tomorrow I'm going to be riding you hard If we believe your response, you still look like scum. The only thing you accomplish if to take suspicion off darthfoley and eden1892 . if we don't believe you, you, Darth and eden look like scum | ||
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On January 29 2016 04:02 nooniansoong wrote: Braglist version 1.1 2. Tumblewood 3. JesusIncarnate 4. Alur 7. Ikidomari 9. Trfel 10. Onegu 11. _MexicanAlien What in the the blistering blue barnacles does this mean? | ||
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Ikidomari, I apologize for the WIFOM. + Show Spoiler + I still think you could have just pointed out the WIFOMness of my suggestion. Therefore making my suggestion null My main problem wasnt with you per se, it was with Eden. Because I agreed with his scum read for you, but he took it back so quickly. I do not want to give a read based on this, but I do want a response from Eden. | ||
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Because he if he was Townie: He would claim Vanilla Townie If he was Mafia: He would claim to be Vanilla Townie + Show Spoiler + or *insert blue role*. To seem valuable. If he was *Blue Role*: He should claim Vanilla Townie. + Show Spoiler + since claiming to be a blue role would not only be very suspicious, it would be counterproductive. The Mafia would now know one of the blues | ||
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On January 29 2016 04:33 Kuragari42 wrote: READS: Slight Town: PeppermintTea - While I am not in complete agreement with everything they have said/done, I have gotten a pretty steady townie vibe from them. Trofl - While originally his questions bothered me and made me lean slightly scum, I now see that each of them had a point. Shapelog - His reads/refutations are sort of out-of-the-box yet still have sense and I am in agreement with a lot of his logic. darthfoley - I was suspicious of his early game but I did not scum-read him, I just wasn't content with the strong town-reads on him. Quite a few of his posts mid-game were pretty good. I'd say if this list was ordered he would be pretty low TR. Slight Scum: Eden - His posts are not aligned with how I expect a experienced town player to post. Pretty low SR. Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR. So what you're saying is, you thought all of your TRs were suspicious but now they're not. And your SR logic doesn't make sense (to me). Seems like you are not committing. Unless you have another post yet to come. | ||
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On January 29 2016 06:35 Shapelog wrote: Fuck! Why do i listen to my Gut? oh well, at least we did accomplish somethings by his death. Ikindo is my direction heading into tomorrow. Might post a synopsis of why he needs to get lynched in case I get NKed before the cycle ends. Dude. You voted for practically everyone that got 2+ scum reads. Judging by the way you constantly changed your vote, myslynch shouldn't be suprisin for you. | ||
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Wait my read reads? Like not having to do with the fake VCA? My general scum, town reads? | ||
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So Alur is the first person to seriously scum read Kuragari + Show Spoiler + Alur: His initial series of posts suffered from being quite unoriginal, and his last set of posts throw flak on darthfoley for changing his opinion on things-.... he was once again not the first one to bring it up Alur's feel for Kuragari is that his play shows mafia indicators. Not exactly reason for voting. Alur:I'll just do this before I start my game, I think he's a better option atm. ##Vote: Kuragari42 Alur has been 'gone' after "switching to dota". He was gone for less than 15 minutes, and the first thing he does is vote on Kura? What seems to prompt this vote was a VC by LoneMeow. I think Alur was simply trying to stop the bandwagon on Onegu (4 votes at the time). Right after Alur votes, darthfoley does the same. + Show Spoiler + darthfoley:I'm more than fine with that. ##vote: Kuragari42 This looks to be a simple sheep, as darthfoley has agreed with all of Alur's scum read reasons. I suspect darthfoley was a little bit irritated at Kura's dumb read on him. OK so here I was interrupted by the stupid TL server telling me I need TL+ premium or some balony. Basically I feel the second vote was definitely for legit reasons, the first as well. As I'm on a phone the formats took forever to do and I'm tired. | ||
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On January 29 2016 08:46 darthfoley wrote: Just wanna make sure I understand: you're saying you think both Alur and I voted for Kuragari for legitimate reasons? Yes. I think your sheep was with good reason and his vote was well based. | ||
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Post 504: Alur says (second time) Kura is not original. Post 505: Trfel makes loooong nonsense harping on Alur's original point on MexicanAlien. Post 533 + 534: Alur gives scumreads and more explanation. Post 535: Trfel asks why Alur SR Kura, even after Alur has already explained his reasoning twice! Post 536: Trfel giving a very long analogy for the MA point. Why is he still taking about this? Post 538: Alur says (third time) reasons for SR Kura. Gives more detail. Post540: Trfel dismisses Alur's read and asks what Alur thinks of Onegu. Why. Just why. Did he really need to know what everyone is thinking of Onegu?? Also, Alur already said what he thought about Onegu in post 533. Post 542: eden says he wishes he didn't have to read all the pages and scumreads Trfel Post 544: Trfel disagrees with eden (no duh) and says this: I generally try to leave things open ended and avoid putting things in people's mouths. it is useful to me to see how other people describe things It is useful??? This game is about town winning, but Trfel wants to collect as much information as he can while not giving any. He does this remarkably well, and since his thread presence is good, if you don't read his posts carefully, it looks like he is contributing!!! Post 549: PMT asks Trfel what his read on Tumbleweed is. This is Trfel's chance to give some original opinions and contribute to the thread. Post 553: I don't have a read on tumbleweed,to be honest. The only thing that stands out is that he seems to be very careful in his posts. a lot of people seem to be suspecting Tumbleweed, can someone remind me as to why? Travel says tumbleweed seems careful, even though not too long ago tumbleweed was making pretty wild accusations at darthfoley. Instead of reading people's reads, he asks some one to tell him what has already been said, clogging up the thread. He fails to give constructive comments. Post 567: Trfel asks Alur why he is SRing Shapelog. Firstly, Alur never scumread Shapelog. Alur never even scum leans him. So why does Trfel ask this???? Post 573+574: Alur and darthfoley vote on Kura. Post 575: Trfel immediately votes for Tumbleweed, ±20 posts after he "has no read on tumbleweed". I could go on, but seriously, Trfel has been playing to clog up the thread with his **** Trfel is MAFIA | ||
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On January 29 2016 09:03 Trfel wrote: Vote count analyses are very different depending on whether or not there is mafia up for lynch. If all of the wagons were town, mafia doesn't really care what happens. As such, people who seem invested at end of day and care about the lynch are more likely town. If there is mafia up for lynch, then obviously people who voted for the flipped town are more suspicious. But that's very poor preflip association analysis to simply assume that mafia wanted Kuragari42 to be lynched. I thought that Kuragari42 had slipped blue and/or was claiming blue, in which case it's always incorrect to lynch him. When I looked at his filter more carefully, this wasn't the case, so I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting. It didn't feel like Kuragari42 was trying to help further town and help catch scum, but instead just state his reads for the record. In retrospect, this isn't very alignment indicative. Tumblewood wasn't going to get lynched, and I already explained my reasons for scumreading him as well as I could. I don't really think that JesusIncarnate is mafia. So why did you think Kuragari42 NOT slipping blue was a good reason for a lynch??? "His reads didn't seem interesting"????? What the ****!! Well of course "just stating his reading for the record" is NAI! Why do you need retrospect to see this?! | ||
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I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting Courtesy of resident scumbag Trfel. | ||
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I noticed You ignored my very convincing post about you. Trfel for Mafia! | ||
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Kush posts reads with zero explanation. (Onegu, darthfoley, ext.) Mexican Alien sticks to his vote. (Shapelog, Alur, ext.) Judging Kura for 'begging to be lynched' (irrelevant now, everyone) Not suspicious of early voters (MexicanAlien, Shapelog, ext) Trfrl reads without reasons (Shapelog, daethfoley, Alur) Jesus not being here (Shapelog, eden, ect.) Alur townread- he's hunting scum (pretty much everyone) Trfel not furthering game and random Q's (MexicanAlien, Alur, darthfoley) Shape log saying he will do stuff and doesn't (MexicanAlien) Actually you have one slightly original thought. That is, you doubt my case on trfel because you don't scumread PMT, even though I don't either anymore. | ||
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The way he acts like it he doesn't need any defense leads me to believe he is scum and will convince his scummates to NK the biggest threat to him. If he was town, he should try hard to defend himself so that we don't lynch another VT. Pretending to not care or saying stuff like "that's all I have to say on the matter" is Trfel's way of trying to close the case against him, so that no new opinions are made. + Show Spoiler + BTW I still think Tumblewood is scum. | ||
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I have no trouble accepting the role of Trfel's wagondriver. Iknow this is seen as bad, but is actually neutral until the lynched flips. | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:12 Eden1892 wrote: Yeah fuck Onegu he's scum. Being an ass to people telling them to stop doing things, terribad reads and suspects, inactive and not doing anything even before IRL issues arose to explain that away. This also means Trfel is town, which is fine, because I was starting to get some cognitive dissonance feels reading Trfel's most recent posts. This picture makes a lot more sense. Hey guys just woke up I'm reading though the pages. Just thought it was interesting how eden gets accused, then starts retaliating with pretty bad arguments. Also, eden gives the impression that he is having doubt about Trfel, even though Trfel is scummy as hell, much more so than onegu ever was. Tfrel says people are ignoring his analysis, bit this is because they mostly nothing posts, just cooking back to topics wet have ashtray talked about. Also, trfel ignores people's analysis on him, so it still looks good to me for tfrel's lynch, until he gives some solid helpful stuff. | ||
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I think Mafia is: Tfrel Eden1892 Mafia lean: Ikidomari Jesusincarnate Town lean: darthfoley PepperMintTea Town: Shape log Null: nooniansoong | ||
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On January 31 2016 15:17 Eden1892 wrote: We are not lynching Trfel. That post is literal never ever coming from scum. I don't even know who we are lynching yet but it's not Trfel. Period. This re-enforcing my point that they have an aversion to lynching each other. Why would you assume that we will not lynch Trfel just because you don't want to. | ||
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On January 31 2016 16:10 Eden1892 wrote: In the middle of rereading Trfel's filter this game and comparing to his most recent town and scum game. I am inclined to think his play this game is actually more reminiscent of his last mafia game from what I did read, but I'm also really skeptical about how useful this information is, since the basis of the comparison is basically all tonal and there are several things that may affect that. I'd have to give a more complete reread of all his past games, after adjusting for how recent they are (since how he played months/years ago isn't representative of anything) and I don't really feel like doing that. This is nothing. You say you are *underlined *, and you think you'll have to *italisized*, but you 'don't feel like doing that'. I don't see why you'd have to read his past games just to get a meta. And we don't care what you don't feel like doing. | ||
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On January 31 2016 15:45 darthfoley wrote: I'm personally offended that you have Shapelog as more of a town read than me given that i'm the vigilante aka blue role lol I'm sorry, when i woke up this morning after not reading the thread for the whole of Saturday, I missed that Blue claim. If you did claim. | ||
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On January 31 2016 22:17 nooniansoong wrote: Also ma, Your primary scum reads are based on a connection theory. Connection theories before any scum have flipped are generally bad. I think both are being reasonable in not wanting to lynch the other . Eden is not lymchabe today because the support for lynching him isn't there. Trfel looks townie due to the size and quantity of his posts. (he's not but I think it makes sense that Eden thinks he is) My advice to you in regards to scumhunting is to look at people's arguments behind their scumreads. Do they make sense to you or do they seem fake? OK yeahi get it. Thanks for the tip. | ||
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On February 01 2016 03:47 Eden1892 wrote: Trfel how on Earth do you think I would be on the same team as Ikidomari... Because of how you accused him for very good reasons then suddenly dropped your case against him because he acted all sad and 'I want to learn'. | ||
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On February 01 2016 11:08 nooniansoong wrote: no. and no. Going back and forth with darth last game is relevant because he did the same thing with ikido. Why wouldn't he bring it up as town? He's adamant he can't be scum with Ikido because he sees himself as the principle pusher of ikido, which actually he was. There was a very complicated interaction with him in which he scumread ikido and then he didn't and then he did again. It's tinfoily to say that's scum vs scum. Then there's the fact that he brought up of how he could have easily killed you rather than ikido today if he were scum. Do you expect townEden to say "well I suppose I could be scum with Ikido"? Maybe but it would be kinda weird. Oh please, he took 5 minutes to OMGUS, then he had me and darthfoley backing him, but he decided 'oh shame poor little Ikidomari hes just a little noob.' He wanted to look like he was fully scumming ikidomari. Then, after iki came back under town suspicion, eden1892 pretended he was scum reading the whole time. | ||
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On February 01 2016 10:08 Eden1892 wrote: My working theory before actually reexamining his reads is that, as I noted initially, the 3-3-3 reads were fabricated. I doubt he townread any of his teammates unless they were widely townread. Probably he left one of them off and null'd the other. Of course the other thing to note is that he flip flopped on Jesus between his fabricated reads and his 3-3-3 reads. I can't reread that right now but I would bet it will clearly tell us Jesus's alignment. How can you even say what he 'probably' did? You cannot put yourself in his position, not if you gro how to be accurate. And a flip flop for Jesus does not mean his read will 'clearly tell us Jesus's alignment. Also, why can't you reread it right now? | ||
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On February 01 2016 10:43 nooniansoong wrote: @shape. yup all his town reads are turning up to be town. so all his scumreads are probably scum. Pssssht. Please. He TR'd the players who looked most VT to town consensus. Why he had me as a scumlean I don't know. Regardless, you don't know that. I agree it's likely he scumread at last one of his teammates, I think the other one is in his town leans or close watch. Namely, Trfel and Eden1892. Think about it. If the one in his scum reads got lynched, he could say 'I thought he was scum so I'm not scum'. If the town lean got lynched, he could say 'well I want completely sure about him' or some poop. | ||
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Either it's a bus (idk wouldn't that be the later voters as scum<eden>), or maybe it's nooniansoong scum(protecting scum with likely other candidate, then not switching vote to avoid suspicion.) And Trfel's just suspicious because... Bleugh idk why Trfel's acting the way he has been. | ||
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On February 01 2016 12:10 nooniansoong wrote: Mexican it doesn't mean much revel voted ikido. If you believe my scumteam ikido, jesus, tefel, those were the only realblymch candidates so there wasn't really a mislynch for him on the table. That's what I said "Which doesn't mean much". | ||
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On February 01 2016 12:13 Trfel wrote: Nooniansoong is correct. But _MexicanAlien, what do you mean by "the way Trfel's been acting"? (paraphrased) As in, what do you find weird about my actions? Well of course you think nooniansoong is correct. You don't have an objective perspective on the things people say about you, so of course you'll agree with anything anyone says that puts down scumreads of you, or builds up townreads of you. Really. Just really. You don't respond to any of my big posts about your suspicious play in late day1 and night 1, and now you have the audacity to ask me what I mean by your behavior?. + Show Spoiler + Someone please make a link to those posts(you know when you say 'here' and it's a hyperlink). I don't know how. | ||
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Take note of posts #1040-#1044 #1096 #1119 | ||
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On February 01 2016 12:25 Trfel wrote: I thought you were open to discussion. As in, a two way street. I guess not. So, never mind. Which is why I didn't respond in the first place, for the record. Also, I agreed that nooniansoong's point about my being the first one to vote for Ikidomari (in and of itself) saying anything about my alignment, as opposed to a townread. Which directly contradicts what you say. Please try considering what you are saying, and read things with an open mind, it will help you in the long term. This is an excuse. If you were town, you would want to defend yourself. I'm open to you (two way street), but not if you just ignore my points. Using the two way street analogy, I'm driving my Trfel wagon down the street, but going not too fast so as to be aware of Trfel and what he says in grits His defense. Trfel is just sitting on the side of the road refusing to do anything. Anything but complain. | ||
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On January 29 2016 09:43 _MexicanAlien wrote: Scum quote of the year: Courtesy of resident scumbag Trfel. I know this isn't relevant anymore to the case, but let's not forget this gem. | ||
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On February 01 2016 12:33 Trfel wrote: And if you want to know how to do the hyperlink thing: [ url=(link) ]visible text[ /url ] Without the spaces, and with a link in place of the (link). You can quote this post to see an example of the code for the link. example link How do you find the link? Post id? Is it possible from a phone? | ||
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On February 01 2016 12:45 Eden1892 wrote: Why are you being so goddamned difficult with everybody this game? Christ you're annoying. I was at work when I posted that, so I couldn't reread it right then. I can say what he 'probably' did because I've played a lot of games of mafia and have learned to recognize patterns in first-level scum behavior. It's how I caught Iki in the first place. I've more than proven myself on that front, so why are you being such a fucking twat when I submit a theory for review during a free minute at work? How am I supposed to know that? Really. | ||
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On February 01 2016 12:49 Eden1892 wrote: Don't do what? Rid the thread of a useless, toxic player? I knowi can't be objective with this, but getting rid ofa player because he's useless is alwaysa bad idea, unless you have scumread on him/her. Look at Shapelog. He's still in. Why have you not gotten rid of him? He's gotten slightly better since the beginning but still | ||
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On February 01 2016 12:51 darthfoley wrote: i'm sure mafia doesn't mind this back and forth bickering we're really getting closer to finding those other two mafia! Darn it sorry. I'll stop now. + Show Spoiler + even though I believe I have caught the scum and this discussion, when analyzed, might prove useful. (Obviously I can't analyze it, it would be biased) | ||
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On February 01 2016 12:56 darthfoley wrote: I think the lack of useful discussion is something to be mindful of. Don't think it's simply random Oh so like the scum are getting edgy because their teammate just got lynched, and now they want to promote useless talk. Makes sense, good thinking | ||
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I think the mafia is: Eden1892 Trfel Scum lean: scott31733 Tumblewood Town: darthfoley Shapelog Unknown: nooniansoong | ||
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Why did the Mafia kill Eden1892? How does this benefit the Mafia? I've thought of two answers. 1. Eden1892 was getting too close to the truth. 2. Killing Eden1892 somehow made scum less suspicious. On answer #1 + Show Spoiler + Eden decided(with his town reads), that the Mafia must come from PepperMintTea, nooniansoong, and Tumblewood. {post #1691} He went on to scum read Tumblewood and nooniansoong. Eden saw that •Ikidomari was flip floppy on Tumblewood •Ikidomari thought Trfel was for sure Mafia •Ikidomari attacked Trfel for Trfel's tumblewood read He used this information to associate Ikidomari with Tumblewood. Eden does the same thing with nooniansoong, using the weirdness of noon's attack on Trfel, his town read on Eden, and his being on IKidomari's null/watch list. I actually this this is good case. Due to my association read of Eden1892 (which was completely wrong), I thought by more association that Trfel was scum. But definitely less likely now. If reason #1, I can believe a Tumble wood and nooniansoong scumteam. On answer #2 + Show Spoiler + Let's think of the people who would look less suspicious if Eden1892 were to die and flip town. This would include: • Eden's town reads •People who had a lot of interaction with Eden (especially near the end) The people who fit best into those categories are: _MexicanAlien Trfel darthfoley MexicanAlien. Eden1892 flying off the handle at me (loads of useless talk) but near the end giving me a 'basically confirmed town' would really help me as scum. Trfel. This guy seems to have been really buddying Eden a lot, especially for having scum read Eden. He mostly stayed in the background early in the game without making many connections, but then came out and agreed with almost everything Eden says. Also, Eden was town reading Trfel for a good amount of time, so this could leave Trfel with still a clear name. darthfoley. He's vigilante. 'Nuff said. I feel much less confident in this reason than in #1, mostly because of less powerful logic. If reason #2, Trfel is Mafia. I don't have any idea as to who his scummate would be, too tired at this point. Just some reasoning. Really tired and need to do some application forms for summer programs, catch y'all later. | ||
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Also, if you look at her play, it has gone from "good analysis/trying to solve"(which looks very pro-town) to this sort of 'I don't care what happens I'll lynch whoever' attitude. From very pro town, good analyzing, little activity To bad/unexplained reads and votes, half-assed play, almost no activity. | ||
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If Tumblewood is scum, I think nooniansoong is the most logical scummate. If scott31337 is scum, I think nooniansong is a possible scummate. I think nooniansoong is a pretty good lynch candidate. | ||
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thoughts on nooniansoong + Show Spoiler + Early on in the game he refused to give explanations of his townreads time and time again, because he didn't want to ' give them a free defense'. This made a little bit of sense while the game was still young, but it doesn't later because you should want to prove to the rest of town that your townreads are true, so you can go on hunting scum. With his scumreads, not posting them initially also makes a little bit of sense, but again, as the game goes on, you should be willing to prove/back up your reads. nooniansoong's play seemed very 'I read X, Y, Z as town and A, B, C as scum, but I don't want to tell you why. Because I'm too cool and I'm going to be right.' It seems his apparent willingness to at least partially share his reasoning (however copied and repetitive it may be) now is the fact that he has been coming under increasing suspicion as the game moves along. So, to try to appear helpful and town, he posts a lot more. also, nooniansoong seems almost too willing to let the newbs (me, shapelog, ect) direct the rest of town with bad reads and seems to go along with unspoken newb consensus. he seems to promote the suspicions and reads of the newbies as long as they don't conflict with his agenda. | ||
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So awesome that we got Mafia ( cant really claim any part in that though)! Yeah so scott31337's claim on the blue role can be believed, as I'm Vanilla Townie. darthfoley is probably our MVP right now, I think his above list is spot on. For those who don't remember: I will post a quick list from best lynch to worst lynch. I'll explain why later/tomorrow Kush PMT Shapelog Trfel MexicanAlien Scott I stand by my nooniansoong suspicion, but as scott31337 put it, we have to look at other options as well. I think the last mafia (if it's not nooniansoong) will be more than happy to quick lynch kush. nooniansoong, I think you need to talk about your *cough*role block*cough*. | ||
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I still think it's nooniansoong but if its not we can still have one more day. ## vote: nooniansoong | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + @nooniansoong You should come up with better scumreads than that if you want anyone to back you. I apologize in advance if you are town, but you aren't doing an awful lot to stop it, now are you? | ||
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The fact that they are voting for each other makes me think one of them is scum though. | ||
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On February 07 2016 01:15 Shapelog wrote: You know its funny. We have 1 person who was very active d1 but has drop (had some RL things), MA We have 1 person who was not very active/helpful D1, but now is, Kush And We have a meh person thoughout, PMT 3 people, 2 lynchs, 1 scum. The only thing i agree with here is the thing about me. + Show Spoiler + I was as helpful as I could possibly be for D1/N1, and my reads have gotten better and I have been on the scum trail more as the game progresses but I do admit the frequency of my posts has dropped dramatically since N3-ish How is nooniansoong helpful now? As opposed to not especially helpful throughout (which is how he seems to me) what had he contributed in the last 36 hours that helps? PMT was not really active that much but it did seen like she was trying to be helpful on D1 and sort of D2 | ||
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Im pretty sure nooniansoong is scum.... But then again I was sure you and Eden1892 were scum too..... I feel like there are two roads to choose from and both of them could be town and both could be scum but we won't know unless we lynch one or the other. Does it matter which one we do tonight? We might lose a town..... I just think nooniansoong is the scummier one.... | ||
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On February 07 2016 05:25 Shapelog wrote: I do not like the fact that there is not any complaining of the lynch. Does this not concern anyone else. What do you mean | ||
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On February 07 2016 05:34 Shapelog wrote: Like if scum is getting lynched i feel they would be screaming out right now. Screaming out how? Like why? Also, what do you think prompted nooniansoong's filter explosion? | ||
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I just thought the most amazing plot twist of all would be if Shapelog is mafia. Think about it. He has been hiding in plain sight the entire time. That would be amazingness | ||
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Day 1: + Show Spoiler + Votes Kuragari42 Votes Onegu Votes Kuragari42 Result: Kuragari42 lynch Day 2: + Show Spoiler + Votes JesusIncarnate Votes Ikidomari (note: PMT was the last one aboard the Ikiwagon) Result: Ikidomari lynch Day 3: + Show Spoiler + Votes scott13733 Votes Tumblewood (last person aboard Tumblewagon) Votes scott13733 Votes Tumblewood (last person aboard, again) Result: Tumblewood lynch Day 4: + Show Spoiler + Votes nooniansoong Result: nooniansoong lynch In the cases of Kuragari42, JesusIncarnate, scott13733, and nooniansoong, PMT was always one of the first three voters. This makes it seen like she was semi-confident in these scumreads. And all of them are confirmed town. In the cases of Ikidomari and Tumblewood, PMT always made the last vote. This makes it look like she was not so sure about the scumread, but joined in (she already knew they were scum) to claim some responsibility for scumlynch. | ||
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Ikidomari then Tumblewood, Day 1. I didn't realize that until I was looking through the votes. | ||
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I see what you mean about having a few more days (24hr days) to figure it out, but if PMT doesn't say anything useful during these last hours then it will just be wasted time. Or do you want more time to filter dive and read the thread? | ||
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scott31337 Shapelog PepperMintTea (If I were doing this without the knowledge of my role, I would put _MexicanAlien in between PMT and Shape.) scott31337 He claimed Veteran. No counterclaim. Shapelog I find it hard to believe the immense volume of SPAM and utter nonsense coming from Mafia. It is just too illogical. I do not think a noob mafia could pull off that kind of insane stunt. Even coaching (sorry LoneMeow) could not get him this far. _MexicanAlien I honestly think I do seem the least town out of Shape and scott, and this is actually one of my personal reasons I believe PMT has to be scum. If I (knowing my own role) am the second-scummiest player, then the scummiest player has to be the Mafia. PepperMintTea She seemed helpful D1, have good analysis, but then Day2/Day3 she just lost all interest in making any sort of game progress, just came in regularly and said she was busy/only going to be there for a few minutes. She does not seem to care whether or not we lynch scum, just that we lynch. Also, had been ignoring the thread for the past few days (24hr days). She may have a good reason though. I'll be waiting for it. | ||
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Where in the World is PepperMintTea?(aka Carmen San Diego) Ah, the old days of geography. | ||
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On February 09 2016 04:45 nooniansoong wrote: :popcorn: :fail: ::fail:: | ||
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Maybe you've already worked this out now, but even if she got modkilled, it wouldn't change anything. It would be the same as if we lynched her. She would either be town or scum. Same as lynch. | ||
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On February 10 2016 03:44 scott31337 wrote: MA is there a reason why you haven't casted your vote yet? Yeah, I'm waiting until Pepper either does or does not show up. + Show Spoiler + BTW, this is not some twisted scum tactic to try to evade guilt. I fully believe PMT is scum, and for the record, if I'm not around to vote for some reason and a she turns up town, I still want responsibility for lynching, because her play is bad if she's town, and I'm the only other suspect. | ||
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Shape log change your vote to me before you leave. | ||
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Thanks to all the vets who played with us, for putting up with us. Without you we would have no clue what to do or how to play. Seriously, thanks. I probably won't be playing TL Mafia until later this year, I'll seriously have to consider the time commitment involved. I underestimated the time I could get away with. I would love it if any one of you guys have advice for next time. GG to all. + Show Spoiler + Especially Shapelog, Trfel, nooniansoong, and Eden1892 | ||
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