Newbie Student Mafia XIX - Page 67

On January 30 2016 10:24 Ikidomari wrote:
Wait wait I'm confused how the hell was noon roleblocked?
It's pretty much confirmed that darth was vig and shot onegu
Therefore mafia killed alur if we believe darths claim

So.. You're doctor, you tried to save either alur or onegu, and mafia roleblocked you?

Could you please explain who you tried to save and why?
If I was the doctor my save would probably go to Eden or darth because they were far stronger town players.

Also why did I go from off your scumlist and then straight back on it?
Is it because alur mildly mistrusted me. And got shot. Or because I had a poor read on onegu (as did a lot of people)

This is WIFOM but why would I kill alur of all people the moment he got suspicious of me? There are stronger players to kill, who would raise less suspicion on me.

The only plausible reason I can think is that you think I'm mafia, and my team threw me under the bus for being weak, which would be a REALLY weird decision seeing how I got you on my side mere hours before the end of night

If you think I'm mafia because of the kills, I'm being set up.

P.s. I only have <10 minutes before I have to go back to work. I'll have an hour long break in ~ 3 hours

On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny?

I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain.

On January 30 2016 11:00 Ikidomari wrote:
Okay I'm confused as hell, does a person get a pm if they get roleblocked? Or do they have to figure it out themselves and announce it

On January 30 2016 07:00 Eden1892 wrote:
hmmmmmmm.

I'm a bit skeptical about this roleblock claim. I don't know how reasonable it is to be suspicious of kush for this though.

Basically, knowing there was a vig, and knowing the mafia know there was a vig, they had three possible roles to play around:

1. the vig (of course)
2. the veteran
3. the doctor

It's plausible to roleblock somebody to play around a vigilante, which is the main reason why I don't think the claim is too weird. I don't know why kush though.

But when you consider that they would also know about a protective role, wouldn't it make more sense to use the roleblock on that instead of trying to roleblock to maybe protect someone?

Like I can't imagine using the roleblocker to protect Jesus from vig!Kush. The number of things you'd have to have lined up to make that a reasonable play are a bit too high for me.
1. you'd have to have a good read on kush being the vig. I don't see how you would do that. Maybe reading kush lying low as a blue makes sense, but specifically vig doesn't really make sense to me.
2. you'd have to have a good read on kush wanting to shoot Jesus. if you read him as vig I guess that's safe.
3. Jesus would also have to be mafia. obviously, but still worth noting.

That's just a lot of moving parts. I don't think that's what did it.

And obviously, since they shot Alur, they weren't playing around a veteran.

So that leaves a doc. I don't remember kush being adamant about Alur being town... far from it, kush suggested Alur could be mafia at a couple of points. I guess if you just are trying to hit the doc at random then kush is an ok target for lying low...

but then that raises another question. If they reasonably thought kush was doc, why not shoot kush?


That leaves me with four possible explanations:
1. Mafia thought kush was the vig and roleblocked him to protect Jesus. This means Jesus is mafia and the mafia also didn't feel the need to play around a veteran. Lots of parts here but not impossible.
2. Mafia thought kush was the doc and roleblocked him to prevent him from protecting someone. This could be the case I guess, but it makes very little sense because I would basically always shoot the doc n1 if I had a good read on him.
3. Mafia didn't really think kush was anything and just roleblocked him. This is clearly suboptimal mafia play: if there's a vet in the game, you rb your kill if you don't think anyone else is a blue, and if there's a doc in the game and you don't think it's kush, you rb someone else to try to hit the doc.
4. kush is fakeclaiming rb.

(*: Obviously claiming roleblocked doesn't confirm you town, and is NAI, but sometimes townies take an illogical stance on the roleblock and incorrectly (from a process standpoint) confirm a townie to be town. Why risk that if you don't really have a lead on a blue?)

So basically, either kush is mafia or Jesus is. Because kush's rb claim can only be genuine from the standpoint where the mafia think kush is the vig, and they used the rb to protect Jesus from kush.

I'd have to go look and see if Jesus is the one. kush did seem to be mostly on Jesus.

Braglist version 1.1

2. Tumblewood
3. JesusIncarnate
4. Alur
7. Ikidomari
9. Trfel
10. Onegu
11. _MexicanAlien

Braglist 1.2

Tumblewood
JesusIncarnate
Ikidomari
Onegu

On January 30 2016 10:47 Shapelog wrote:
Like how the hell is mafia that lost from the thread. That disconnected.....

On January 30 2016 05:12 Eden1892 wrote:
Yeah fuck Onegu he's scum. Being an ass to people telling them to stop doing things, terribad reads and suspects, inactive and not doing anything even before IRL issues arose to explain that away.

This also means Trfel is town, which is fine, because I was starting to get some cognitive dissonance feels reading Trfel's most recent posts. This picture makes a lot more sense.

On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.

idk tbh what to think about it

On January 30 2016 09:23 Trfel wrote:
If I'm being scumread because I didn't explain my vote on Kuragari42:

Why would I explain my vote? I voted for the leading wagon who was gaining momentum. Convincing anyone was not needed. The only reason I'd need to explain my vote is for myself, and I already knew why I was voting. Explaining my vote doesn't accomplish anything.

If I'm being scumread because of asking questions:

Okay, imagine that all the questions don't exist. Questions are generally non alignment indicative (of course, this depends on the circumstances, for example directly pointed questions can often be more indicative). Ignoring that, I've been sharing analysis, pushing reads, and engaging with people to solve the game. Discounting my play as asking questions in an attempt to appear busy while not actually doing anything is extremely false.

If I'm being scumread because of missing one of nooniansoong's posts:

That's just stupid. I explained why above.

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Now I suggest lynching Tumblewood, because he is mafia. Allow me to take his latest post here to show why he is mafia. I won't quote things because that would be annoying.

First, like I already said, it doesn't make sense for him to townread _MexicanAlien for voting for himself (Tumblewood) instead of flipped town Kuragari42. A vote on town is a vote on town, lynching one is not better than lynching the other.... unless one of them isn't actually town. This read only makes sense if Tumblewood is mafia.

He criticizes Kuragari42's reads and then says that Kuragari42 is begging to get lynched, and seems disappointed. After the flip has already happened. Town doesn't think like this.

He says several times that both I (Trfel) and nooniansoong haven't explained some or all of our reads. He says that I am mafia because of this, and he says that he won't trust nooniansoong's reads until there is an explanation, implying that nooniansoong is town.

He lists JesusIncarnate, Shapelog, Trfel, Ikidomari, and Onegu as his scum reads. Way to cover all the bases there. Still no involvement or direction, and no original thought at all.

Tumblewood is mafia.