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On January 30 2016 07:17 Eden1892 wrote:
Skimmed kush's filter super fast. Incriminated by this claim are the following players:
JesusIncarnate
Tumblewood
Ikidomari
Especially Jesus, as kush had a quality want to lynch Jesus all game, but Tumblewood and Ikidomari were both in his lists from braglists 1.1 onward.
Think it's gotta be Jesus or Tumblewood.
I also just don't think kush is mafia, fakeclaiming rb'd doesn't do anything.
Kush is town, therefore kush's scumreads are correct? Kush doesn't know who mafia is any more than anyone else (except, of course, the mafia).
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What is up with the argument between Eden and Onegu? The way they're interacting does not look townie to me... let's have a look, shall we?
On January 30 2016 05:12 Eden1892 wrote:
Yeah fuck Onegu he's scum. Being an ass to people telling them to stop doing things, terribad reads and suspects, inactive and not doing anything even before IRL issues arose to explain that away.
This also means Trfel is town, which is fine, because I was starting to get some cognitive dissonance feels reading Trfel's most recent posts. This picture makes a lot more sense.
On January 30 2016 05:12 Eden1892 wrote:Stop being lazy mr "tryhard"
This case is actually just, "fuck Onegu he's scum." Eden has put herself against Onegu without actually making a case. Townies do not have a motive to do that. Bonus: Onegu's "case" against Eden:
On January 30 2016 05:25 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 05:23 darthfoley wrote:
Onegu do you have anything besides eden = scum to offer? Not currently... Did I mention eden is scum?
The vibe I get from this is that Eden and Onegu are distancing themselves from each other. Most of my knowledge of forum mafia is just looking through the Mafiascum wiki, is distancing a scum read here? Because it's sure as hell not a town read.
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The point from this game is that you should do what's fun.
If something stops being fun, don't keep doing it because it "should" be. Just do things that are worthwhile.
Tumblewood is mafia, and always has been, but whatever. Go on not caring about it.
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Actually hm.
Tumblewood, please explain what conclusions you draw based on your most recent post about Eden and Onegu. Not what you should think, but what you actually think.
Also, can you please explain how you approached voting for the Day 1 lynch? Basically, why did you vote as you did?
Thanks,
Trfel
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I should have consolidated better, but good night. Tumblewood, I'll get your answers in the morning.
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Instead of quoting Trfel's post, I'm just going to say that it's two posts above this one. Look at it and continue reading.
If Onegu had flipped scum, I would have immediately seen Eden as a scumbuddy distancing. Since Onegu is VT, though, the reasoning behind this is more complex. I don't think that this is enough for Eden to immediately become scum in my book, especially since I had a town read earlier, but these baseless accusations say to me one of 3 things:
1. That Eden is trying to start a wagon on Onegu. That wouldn't make sense, since it was night, and if Eden cared she would form a well-reasoned argument instead.
2. That Eden was OMGUS-ing Onegu. There's no town or scum motive I can think of for this, so probably not.
3. That Eden wanted to provoke a response from Onegu. The purpose of that response is to create grounds for a case against Onegu, since Eden wanted to lynch Onegu the next day.
The underlined case is the conclusion I draw from this.
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I'll be busy most of tomorrow, but I may be around before 2pm EST.
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I think Tumblewood's above makes a lot of sense.
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On January 30 2016 15:24 Trfel wrote:
The point from this game is that you should do what's fun.
If something stops being fun, don't keep doing it because it "should" be. Just do things that are worthwhile.
Tumblewood is mafia, and always has been, but whatever. Go on not caring about it.
Gee, and you call me uninvolved...
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So trfel the game isn't f fun anymore because you are under fire?
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On January 30 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:
So trfel the game isn't f fun anymore because you are under fire? Forget I said anything.
PepperMintTea, are you still around?
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Also, I'm tempted to back to my "Eden is mafia" read.
I don't feel that Eden has been invested in specific lynches, and has instead been willing to go wherever other people want. Looking at his most recent game, Unoriginal Mini Mafia, this was drastically different. In addition, I don't really see Eden scumreading Onegu so strongly before End of Night as he did as town.
The biggest thing that gives me pause is Eden's constant read shifting on Ikidomari. I don't see what the mafia motivation for this is, I would have expected Eden to just make up his mind and mostly stick with it.
Thoughts?
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My thoughts is that eden is town for the several cases he made.
Why wouldn't town Eden scumread onegu? It seems fine to me.
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Anyway, trfel, you are scum. Here's why.
All of your cases are scumcases, built upon bullshit, misrepresentation, and generalities.
Your case on tumble involving page 16 for instance. Point me to a good case of yours if you disagree.
Also your vote for kura wasn't backed up by any reasoning. You townread him the whole game then you say
On January 28 2016 05:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 05:21 Alur wrote:On January 28 2016 05:06 Trfel wrote:On January 28 2016 04:58 Alur wrote:On January 28 2016 04:33 Trfel wrote:
Alur, why are you scumreading Kuragari42? His initial series of posts suffered from being quite unoriginal, and his last set of posts throw flak onto Darthfoley for changing his opinions on things - and while that did occur, he was once again not the first one to bring it up. He also only stated he was "semi-suspicious" after Darth had thrown suspicion on him. But he's promised us a big post, so I'm not gonna lynch before he's had his word. Either way, I find it improbable that Darth and Kuragari are the same allignment. On a related note, Onegu does seem a little scummy to me (he very much deals in absolutes, I don't see why he'd be so standoffish as town, but once again him being rude town isn't impossible). And like Darth and Kuragi I don't see you being on a scumteam with Onegu. It seems to me like your reasons for scumreading Kuragari42 are based on "these things don't show that he is town" instead of "these things shoe that he is scum". Is this true? Did you look at the way that Onegu has acted towards Shapelog? About Kuragari: I think lack of original thought, and primarily relying on already existing tendencies is mafia indicative. His posts don't feel like they're coming from a town perspective (to me). However, his blunt admittance to the fact that he's bad at pushing original agendas could be town indicative. So I grant you that we can't rule out a townie without direction. I'll look into Onegu's interactions with Shapelog, sec. Thanks, I think I understand what you're saying. Perhaps my early townread on him was stronger than it should have been, I'm not as sure about him any more.
and that's the last thing you say about kura's alignment before you vote him.
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Don't get pissy. I'm not trying to piss you off, I'm just trying to play my role just like you.
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^there's other reasons why you're mafia but those are enough.
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I mean, do you want me to answer? Because I don't get that impression, but otherwise I'm not sure why you would write that post as you did.
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I'd really like more content from PMT, Jesus if he even exists, and Tumble. Also would like to see what MexicanAlien's scum reads are at this point
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Darthfoley, are you sure that Eden is town? Are you sure that they are unlikely/incapable of coming from mafia?
If so, what are they? If not, how likely do you think it is that Eden is mafia, and what do you think of the reasons I brought up?
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Yo Trfel. I'm not sure of anything this game. Especially given that 3 VTs have died with nothing to show for it. I'm going to be busy for much of today at a smash tournament, but I will definitely give Eden's filter a closer look.
Off the top of the dome:
I'm not sure I really understand the motivation behind mafia!Eden to go so aggressively after Onegu. I guess it could be because Onegu is a veteran and would be more likely to find inconsistencies in his posts? I mean Onegu was hardly anyone's TR... he was either null or scum read iirc. Would've been a relatively easy lynch (might've taken a couple cycles) and he probably wouldn't have had to put his finger on the scale as much. Seems like a much safer play as mafia to push Onegu, just not to the extent Eden was doing so. Even if mafia were scum and knew there was a vigi, I highly doubt scum expected the vigi shot on Onegu N1.
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Basically, here's where I'm at.
Confirmed town:
darthfoley: claimed vigilante
nooniansoong: very high post count, roleblock claim, and brag lists. Post count is a very strong indicator of town, and nooniansoong's posting rate in this game is significantly higher than I've seen from him in the past year. Mafia isn't likely to claim roleblock, and also the brag lists don't fit mafia motivation (mafia would prefer to give reasons/push reads or just not post them). I'm very confident in nooniansoong being town.
_MexicanAlien: very driven early on and seems to care about solving the game instead or surviving. His posting has dropped off lately, as would be expected from generally townread mafia, but I feel like he is more likely to be town, and I have one other secret reason that is extremely strong. And no, it's a secret, so you can't have it.
Shapelog: post count and free, relaxed play
Everyone else:
PepperMintTea
Tumblewood
JesusIncarnate
Ikidomari
Eden1892
Three of the above are mafia. I'll try to work through this today, any thoughts and/or feedback is much appreciated.
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