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On January 31 2016 02:22 darthfoley wrote:
Yo Trfel. I'm not sure of anything this game. Especially given that 3 VTs have died with nothing to show for it. I'm going to be busy for much of today at a smash tournament, but I will definitely give Eden's filter a closer look.
Off the top of the dome:
I'm not sure I really understand the motivation behind mafia!Eden to go so aggressively after Onegu. I guess it could be because Onegu is a veteran and would be more likely to find inconsistencies in his posts? I mean Onegu was hardly anyone's TR... he was either null or scum read iirc. Would've been a relatively easy lynch (might've taken a couple cycles) and he probably wouldn't have had to put his finger on the scale as much. Seems like a much safer play as mafia to push Onegu, just not to the extent Eden was doing so. Even if mafia were scum and knew there was a vigi, I highly doubt scum expected the vigi shot on Onegu N1. I think that it's much easier for scum to hard-push someone than soft-push them. I know that this is true for me, anyway.
I feel like Eden would hard-push Onegu there because it's something that's easy to do and makes himself look active, and also to influence the vigilante to shoot Onegu. The big thing to me is the reaction after Onegu died, which I'm really having a hard time understanding from town. Basically:
"I have a scumread on Onegu, he's 100% scum! I could be just biased though, because I'm really biased, but Onegu is scum anyway!"
"YOU SHOT ONEGU! YOU'RE THE BEST!!!"
instead of....
I'm biased, why did you sheep me and shoot Onegu?
Which is what I'd expect from town who was just hard-pushing someone and they got shot N1.
I guess I also don't see why this can't come from mafia!Eden. It's not a difficult thing for mafia to do, and it's at least somewhat aligned with mafia motivation (I'd say very, but it's subjective I suppose).
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On January 30 2016 14:52 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.
idk tbh what to think about it I didn't predict that darth was breadcrumbing, it was just my best explanation for a really off-putting post.
My mistake then.
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On January 30 2016 20:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##Vote JesusIncarnate
I literately just checked your filter to see if you did anything after this post. You didn't, you still have yet to explain anything and now you hope on (at the time of this post) the person with the most votes.
I am pretty sure you are scum at this point.
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On January 31 2016 02:42 Shapelog wrote:I literately just checked your filter to see if you did anything after this post. You didn't, you still have yet to explain anything and now you hope on (at the time of this post) the person with the most votes. I am pretty sure you are scum at this point. Nooooo  bad Shapelog.
Wait and see what PepperMintTea does next un-prompted
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On January 31 2016 02:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 02:42 Shapelog wrote:On January 30 2016 20:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##Vote JesusIncarnate I literately just checked your filter to see if you did anything after this post. You didn't, you still have yet to explain anything and now you hope on (at the time of this post) the person with the most votes. I am pretty sure you are scum at this point. Nooooo bad Shapelog. Wait and see what PepperMintTea does next un-prompted
Would you rather me pressure her instead? Like she has also said that she post/do shit today at EOD to get out of talking about why she voted Kura. And now the first thing she does is vote the person with 2 votes on them.
I am not going to wait for someone to post at this point.
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On January 31 2016 02:48 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 02:43 Trfel wrote:On January 31 2016 02:42 Shapelog wrote:On January 30 2016 20:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##Vote JesusIncarnate I literately just checked your filter to see if you did anything after this post. You didn't, you still have yet to explain anything and now you hope on (at the time of this post) the person with the most votes. I am pretty sure you are scum at this point. Nooooo bad Shapelog. Wait and see what PepperMintTea does next un-prompted Would you rather me pressure her instead? Like she has also said that she post/do shit today at EOD to get out of talking about why she voted Kura. And now the first thing she does is vote the person with 2 votes on them. I am not going to wait for someone to post at this point.
you seem a little upset so i'm going to post in a little bit once you have finished having a tantrum.
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@ trfel Eden could push onegu like that as mafia but he could also do it as town.
You say the selling point is how Eden acted after onegu was shot.
Why would mafiaeden be more likely to express his happiness about the shot? I could see mafia being happy but to express it in the thread is not something mafia is more likely to do,
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On January 31 2016 02:49 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 02:48 Shapelog wrote:On January 31 2016 02:43 Trfel wrote:On January 31 2016 02:42 Shapelog wrote:On January 30 2016 20:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##Vote JesusIncarnate I literately just checked your filter to see if you did anything after this post. You didn't, you still have yet to explain anything and now you hope on (at the time of this post) the person with the most votes. I am pretty sure you are scum at this point. Nooooo bad Shapelog. Wait and see what PepperMintTea does next un-prompted Would you rather me pressure her instead? Like she has also said that she post/do shit today at EOD to get out of talking about why she voted Kura. And now the first thing she does is vote the person with 2 votes on them. I am not going to wait for someone to post at this point. you seem a little upset so i'm going to post in a little bit once you have finished having a tantrum.
By all means. You have the floor.
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On January 31 2016 02:48 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 02:43 Trfel wrote:On January 31 2016 02:42 Shapelog wrote:On January 30 2016 20:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##Vote JesusIncarnate I literately just checked your filter to see if you did anything after this post. You didn't, you still have yet to explain anything and now you hope on (at the time of this post) the person with the most votes. I am pretty sure you are scum at this point. Nooooo bad Shapelog. Wait and see what PepperMintTea does next un-prompted Would you rather me pressure her instead? Like she has also said that she post/do shit today at EOD to get out of talking about why she voted Kura. And now the first thing she does is vote the person with 2 votes on them. I am not going to wait for someone to post at this point. Often, not posting is more telling than posting. You don't need someone to post if all you need is to see their motivations. You're not "letting someone get off easy" if you don't scumread them for being lazy/doing nothing, you're just tightening the noose, but for a later date.
But anyway, it's a moot point. I agree with you that PepperMintTea is suspicious, but the drop-off was so fast that it feels almost beyond mafia motivation, so I'm not sure it's enough in and of itself...
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On January 31 2016 02:51 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 02:48 Shapelog wrote:On January 31 2016 02:43 Trfel wrote:On January 31 2016 02:42 Shapelog wrote:On January 30 2016 20:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##Vote JesusIncarnate I literately just checked your filter to see if you did anything after this post. You didn't, you still have yet to explain anything and now you hope on (at the time of this post) the person with the most votes. I am pretty sure you are scum at this point. Nooooo bad Shapelog. Wait and see what PepperMintTea does next un-prompted Would you rather me pressure her instead? Like she has also said that she post/do shit today at EOD to get out of talking about why she voted Kura. And now the first thing she does is vote the person with 2 votes on them. I am not going to wait for someone to post at this point. Often, not posting is more telling than posting. You don't need someone to post if all you need is to see their motivations. You're not "letting someone get off easy" if you don't scumread them for being lazy/doing nothing, you're just tightening the noose, but for a later date. But anyway, it's a moot point. I agree with you that PepperMintTea is suspicious, but the drop-off was so fast that it feels almost beyond mafia motivation, so I'm not sure it's enough in and of itself...
Hmm you might be right, lets she what shes says in a few. Atm there is a man named Tumble and he posted and i want to read them more closely.
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On January 31 2016 02:49 nooniansoong wrote:
@ trfel Eden could push onegu like that as mafia but he could also do it as town.
You say the selling point is how Eden acted after onegu was shot.
Why would mafiaeden be more likely to express his happiness about the shot? I could see mafia being happy but to express it in the thread is not something mafia is more likely to do, I'm not saying that Eden is mafia (not yet, anyway). This is by no means a selling point.
If Eden is mafia (well as town also), he really had to say SOMETHING after the deadline. It's generally easier for mafia to express motivations that they actually feel (but apply them to different things). I know this from personal experience, from watching The Shining play, DarthPunk in raynpelikoneet's small invite game, etc. So probably the easiest response for happy mafia to give is to let that happiness show in the response, and use the emotion to cover up the fact that your biggest scumread just flipped town.
Again, I'm not saying that Eden is mafia because of this, I'm saying that I find it a bit suspicious and that I don't have any great reasons to townread Eden right now.
Side note, I'm looking through Ikidomari's filter more closely and there are some suspicious things I hadn't noticed before. And the way he vanished after Shapelog and I said that he was town for that weird post was strange, I don't see why town would be like "so I don't understand this, what's going on? Oh, I was wrong, but these people say I'm town. Well, I guess I'm leaving, no need to make any reads!"
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This is getting complicated. I'm going to get lunch, I'll figure the rest of this out eventually.
I looked through JesusIncarnate's filter, but I just don't see him being mafia. I don't really think that the roleblock on nooniansoong means much now that I've thought about it more. There are too many potential flaws with that analysis.
1. Mafia doesn't always do the optimal play, for a wide variety of reasons
2. Even if mafia is trying to do the optimal play, they can see things differently than I/we do, this is a game of opinions
3. Other factors to consider (this basically is part of #2, but whatever)
So just going with my read on JesusIncarnate, he's likely town.
Which leaves three mafia in Eden1892, Ikidomari, PepperMintTea, and Tumblewood. Ikidomari was looking really scummy to me, but I think I need more time to think about it and read him correctly. I know that this is unflipped association, but Eden1892 and Ikidomari make more sense together as mafia than either of them individually (I have a bit harder time seeing either of them as mafia individually). This POE indicates that they are both mafia, but POE is bad and I'm bad, so I really need to think more about this and figure things out.
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On January 31 2016 03:28 Trfel wrote:
I looked through JesusIncarnate's filter, but I just don't see him being mafia.
This is ridiculous. I can understand a null read but what gives you such a strong townread on him?
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On January 31 2016 03:38 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 03:28 Trfel wrote:
I looked through JesusIncarnate's filter, but I just don't see him being mafia.
This is ridiculous. I can understand a null read but what gives you such a strong townread on him? Not a strong townread, sorry. A weak townread, and more of "if he's mafia, then I don't know why, and I definitely can't show it". And I don't lynch people like that.
He's not confirmed town my any means, I'm not scumreading him, and I don't want to lynch him.
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I hate my life. Is their a limit on how many Quotes you can use in one post? I am using a [/Quote] but it will not show up when i hit preview >_>
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Not in that post btw but in a reply that i am working on.
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Jesus is confirmed mafia based on his filter at this point.
Don't have anything else to discuss.
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I'd like to know if Jesus is going to get replaced or modkilled
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On January 31 2016 04:59 PepperMintTea wrote:
Jesus is confirmed mafia based on his filter at this point.
Don't have anything else to discuss.
I can't even ridicule you because I am writing a post that is almost 1 whole page. Someone else please do it for me.
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Vote count:
Tumblewood (1): Trfel
JesusIncarnate (2): Shapelog, PepperMintTea
Trfel (2): nooniansoong, _MexicanAlien
Not voting (5): Tumblewood, JesusIncarnate, darthfoley, Ikidomari, Eden1892
Currently, Trfel is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Sunday, Jan 31 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
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