I hadn't thought about Ikidomari that way. I'll need to spend some more time trying to figure him out.
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I hadn't thought about Ikidomari that way. I'll need to spend some more time trying to figure him out. | ||
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On January 29 2016 13:19 Eden1892 wrote: Two separate issues. I tried to fix one through the other, evidently that didn't work.Also, I'm going to elaborate on what I mean by newer mafia tending to post in the way that Ikidomari did. I cited something from Ver's analysis of Mafia XXX in discussing his post, but I don't think anybody bothered to go read it. I suppose I can't blame you if you didn't bother to go look yourself, but now I'm posting it so you have no excuse. + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2010 13:07 Ver wrote: Day 1 Analysis: Basically I'll point out the posts that are great for analysis, either finding reds or greens. In doing analysis most posts will be worthless, it's the gems you want to search for unless you want to do a full analysis profile on that person (dragging up all their posts and looking in context for patterns). That unfortunately takes a lot of time and thus can only be done on a few people at a time. Thus for those stretched on time, it's much easier to look for mistakes/bad posts and then do a thorough inspection of said person. That's how I'll present the red analysis. Misder : Here is a great example of a mafia slipping up very obviously in day 1. These are two posts full of flagrant errors. This is the first easy mafia catch the town could've had; let's go through it: -Note the multiple apologies, excuses, the specific mention that he is still learning, and overall meek tone. Newer mafia players will try to emphasize their inexperience as a way of overcompensating. Think about this from the angle of being a townie: why would you want to say all this? What's the point in painting yourself to be some noob who is useless and shouldn't be listened to? If you want to be of use to the town, apologizing a bunch and acting all sorry for doing nothing wrong is hardly going to make yourself listened to. In fact, it will make people ignore you instead. Someone who can't even convince themself is hardly going to convince anyone else. That would be great for a mafia who wants to hide though, wouldn't it? On that angle it makes perfect sense from the mafia's perspective. You want to find reasons that make you look less suspicious without looking like you are trying too hard to do so. See how Misder isn't even suspicious before this but he's trying to make himself look less suspicious. That's entirely mafia rationale. A townie might want to defend himself if someone accuses him, but only a mafia feels inherently guilty and has a need, perhaps even a desire to defend himself before he's even a blip on anyone's radar. It's a very common pattern that I've seen many, many times. [[Redacted from post; paragraph was a separate argument against Misder that is irrelevant to Ikidomari.]] -Lastly, dock another point against Misder for his extremely mild statements about his suspicions and refusal to vote. Why would voting be impulsive? Bolded for relevance. This is a very common tell for newer mafia players that's been generally true since the dawn of online mafia. You're welcome to disagree that these behaviors make him more likely than null to be mafia, or to think that this behavior is NAI, or what have you, but your opinion flies in the face of actual years of recorded evidence to the contrary. In light of that, Trfel, I still do not understand what you struggle to see in my case, and I certainly do not understand why you felt the need to submit your concern with my case as this apparent grand enigma that makes you unable to understand what I'm doing this game. Such massive overstating of a simple difference of opinion as you "not being able to understand where [I'm] coming from this game," especially when I cite my publicly-viewable source of my tell for you to read, makes me suspicious of you -- you just look like you're trying to paint my argument as this completely unreasonable push and discredit my play this game for it, which sits very poorly with me. Your read seems to be based on two main arguments:
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Eden, you're really confusing me, I was much more okay with Ikidomari before his latest list post.... Anyway, are we so sure that PepperMintTea is town? I had a very strong town read early, but I worry that they have fallen off and have been in the background. Despite pointing out interesting things. I'll be filter diving. | ||
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When PMT finally posts scumreads, they seem willing to lynch most anyone, including all suspects. This seems really strange given how aggressively PMT was shooting down non-definitive scumreads earlier. The exception to this is the scumread on Tumblewood, which was an original thought scumreading. In regards to scumreads and the lynch, I feel that PMT has been very much in the background and non-influential. But the critical thinking is there, so I'm very unsure. Thoughts? | ||
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The transition from townreads to scumreads is very pronounced. It's the post where PMT explains scumreads on four people iirc me, Onegu, Tumblewood, and JesusIncarnate. Before that are lots of talk about townreads and discounting other scum reads. After that it feels like a leaf in the wind, just going wherever with the scumreads and lynch. It's really weird that PMT doesn't discuss reasoning used to narrow down the lynch. Seems like PMT doesn't care to convince people about the lynch. Why did the reasoning stop? Maybe because everyone was townreading? I don't know ![]() | ||
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PepperMintTea, please answer my statements when you get a chance. A sensible and plausible explanation means that PepperMintTea is probably town. There should be an explanation for town. | ||
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And the rest between Onegu, Ikidomari, and PepperMintTea, pending an explanation. | ||
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Also it is generally agreed upon for town to continue scumhunting as normal during the night phase. The extra 24 hours is worth more than giving mafia more info for nightkills. If mafia nightkills for wifom, it almost always doesn't pay off. So that isn't something to worry a lot about. | ||
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Alur, mafia can shoot themselves. So Eden doesn't have to be town to get killsd. | ||
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Unoriginal Name Mini Mafia Eden had a 9 page filter. The game ended early in Day 4. He was town. | ||
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I kind of feel like Onegu, as mafia, wouldn't do something irrational like this or push "wildly". I don't feel like you're an easy target for mafia to push, so I'm not sure what Onegu's aim as mafia would be. | ||
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Can you specifically state what happened that changed your mind? Did you see something different, or was it the continuation, or what? | ||
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