EPTSad nobody laughed at this...
On January 27 2016 07:48 _MexicanAlien wrote:
So first shapelog suggests talking about blue roles, then he lists the reason for each blue role to not need help.
Very good reasons.
So first shapelog suggests talking about blue roles, then he lists the reason for each blue role to not need help.
Very good reasons.
yeah this could be Scum trying to make posts without actual content.
On January 27 2016 08:38 nooniansoong wrote:
This seems contradictory. Nervous people don't spout whatever comes into their head.
This seems contradictory. Nervous people don't spout whatever comes into their head.
This is actually a good point. The fact that it is a newbie doing it makes it even more true.
On January 27 2016 08:41 PepperMintTea wrote:
Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue.
Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue.
Not in a fourm. In person yes, but it is much harder to put those thoughts on paper.
On January 27 2016 08:45 PepperMintTea wrote:
I have played mafia before; online versions and in real life.
I have played mafia before; online versions and in real life.
Then you should know new mafia in fourm are much less likely to post than town. Paranoia is a thing.
On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
Hi boys!
First mafia game anywhere ever for me, should be fun. Got interested from watching the Dota 2 community mafia streams. Also casually ghosted a few of the recent games on TL.
My observations as of right now:
1. Shapelog is the most scummy player to me.
Reason A: Announcing you have some sort of tell on a player(noon), before he has even posted seems like a really bad idea. If hes mafia he can now attempt to replicate his his VT play from "the last two games", and even if he doesn't do "the tell" he'll be more prepared to defend himself from Shapelog.
Reason B: He was the first to bring up the possible setups. Before the game started I considered if there would be any merit for town to discuss setups on D1, and I concluded that talking about it before anyone had claimed anything would be probably be useless. Bringing up useless stuff doesn't further the town agenda.
Although the fact that he's done all this so fast is a little confusing.
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).
3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:
Going forward:
Talk about other players.
Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed.
Hi boys!
First mafia game anywhere ever for me, should be fun. Got interested from watching the Dota 2 community mafia streams. Also casually ghosted a few of the recent games on TL.
My observations as of right now:
1. Shapelog is the most scummy player to me.
Reason A: Announcing you have some sort of tell on a player(noon), before he has even posted seems like a really bad idea. If hes mafia he can now attempt to replicate his his VT play from "the last two games", and even if he doesn't do "the tell" he'll be more prepared to defend himself from Shapelog.
Reason B: He was the first to bring up the possible setups. Before the game started I considered if there would be any merit for town to discuss setups on D1, and I concluded that talking about it before anyone had claimed anything would be probably be useless. Bringing up useless stuff doesn't further the town agenda.
Although the fact that he's done all this so fast is a little confusing.
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).
3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:
Going forward:
Talk about other players.
Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed.
Reason A is fine
Reason B is NAI. Town or Mafia could do it. The problem with him talking about it is it doesnt move discussion forward in any meaningful way.
2: this is fine
3: No this is meta. Bad newbie, bad.
On January 27 2016 09:17 nooniansoong wrote:
but don't these points contradict each other?
(a) he's nervous, which makes him (b) talk a lot of nonsense.
(b) talking a lot of nonsense makes him (c)townie.
So then by the transitive relation, a=c, him being nervous makes him townie.
Why would townies be nervous?
but don't these points contradict each other?
(a) he's nervous, which makes him (b) talk a lot of nonsense.
(b) talking a lot of nonsense makes him (c)townie.
So then by the transitive relation, a=c, him being nervous makes him townie.
Why would townies be nervous?
Fairly happy to sheep kush on this.
On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.
Do you have any scumreads?
I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.
Do you have any scumreads?
I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.
Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine.
On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much.
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much.
Bleh. Can be caused by being busy...
On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:
Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog
My reasoning on Shapelog:
Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are:
and
In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before.
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:
Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog
My reasoning on Shapelog:
Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are:
.and
In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before.
I wish I rolled scum. Does this make me scum. No. Nor does it make shape scum.
And a list post as a first post with only one reason posted for people on the list. Really dont like this at all.
On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:
I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel.
I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel.
Then switches a read when questioned right away for a questionable read to begin with really fucking weird.
On January 27 2016 12:28 Trfel wrote:
Questions
@Alur:
How confident are you in Shapelog being mafia? Also, can you explain specifically what you didn't like/understand about PepperMintTea's post? Because I thought I understood it pretty well.
@Nooniansoong:
Which point are you referring to, and to what extent do you agree with it?
@Onegu:
What do you think about Shapelog's alignment, and why?
Questions
@Alur:
How confident are you in Shapelog being mafia? Also, can you explain specifically what you didn't like/understand about PepperMintTea's post? Because I thought I understood it pretty well.
@Nooniansoong:
Which point are you referring to, and to what extent do you agree with it?
@Onegu:
What do you think about Shapelog's alignment, and why?
Completely null. He has some things going for him like him and pepperminttea going at each other and I much more agree with kush that tea is scummy as hell. Yeah Yeah preflip association but here it is fine... I think. His trying to bring up discussion that goes no where is bad though.
On January 27 2016 12:54 Trfel wrote:
Tumblewood, why do you feel that Onegu is towny?
Tumblewood, why do you feel that Onegu is towny?
Trefl stop asking questions. That is all you are doing and is scummy as hell.
On January 27 2016 12:58 Kuragari42 wrote:
As I was reading darthfoley's posts in question, I thought to myself that they seemed to needlessly reference his affiliation and that VoT did the same thing in my last game as mafia. Not sure why Shape's didn't until I read TW's mention. Maybe I just skimmed over them, idk, I'm pretty tired.
Shapelog seems like a sort of troll player to me and since I have no grasp of his meta, it is hard for me to think much of him as of yet. Is this troll behavior normal for him?
As I was reading darthfoley's posts in question, I thought to myself that they seemed to needlessly reference his affiliation and that VoT did the same thing in my last game as mafia. Not sure why Shape's didn't until I read TW's mention. Maybe I just skimmed over them, idk, I'm pretty tired.
Shapelog seems like a sort of troll player to me and since I have no grasp of his meta, it is hard for me to think much of him as of yet. Is this troll behavior normal for him?
Meta. Bad Newbie. Bad.
On January 27 2016 14:09 Trfel wrote:
Darthfoley, can you explain by what you meant by this statement, and any conclusions you may have drawn from this?
Darthfoley, can you explain by what you meant by this statement, and any conclusions you may have drawn from this?
Fuck me the fact that all Trfel is doing is asking questions is bothering the fuck out of me. It is scummy as hell.
On January 27 2016 14:34 Trfel wrote:
I see, I misread your post earlier. Thanks for clearing that up.
What do you think about Kuragari42?
I see, I misread your post earlier. Thanks for clearing that up.
What do you think about Kuragari42?
Really still?
On January 27 2016 14:38 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Looking at this from a new angle, I see your point. I'm not ready to dismiss Shapelog as a suspect, but I get how he just might be "too scum" to actually be scum. Either he's clique noob scum, or he's simply bad at focusing, too talkative, and a noob.
Looking at this from a new angle, I see your point. I'm not ready to dismiss Shapelog as a suspect, but I get how he just might be "too scum" to actually be scum. Either he's clique noob scum, or he's simply bad at focusing, too talkative, and a noob.
Never use the last part. Never is to scum to be scum a valid excuse.
Onegu, once you catch up, I'd really appreciate an answer to my question to you in 
