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Kuragari42
United States346 Posts
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Trfel
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Kuragari42
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Trfel
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On January 27 2016 10:03 darthfoley wrote: Kush, i'm pretty sure that this wording indicates that mafia does know the specific setup, given that every mafia setup is the same. Could be wrong, but that seems pretty explicit, no? I am excited. To be fair, it's hard to be invested when only ~4 of 13 players have posted (when my quote you've used was written). I feel no pressure in terms of slip ups and stuff like that because i'm town, so I think it makes perfect sense that I come off as casual, especially on D1. I like what Noon has thought up so far regarding PeppermintTea; I don't think it makes much sense to read someone's nervousness as a newbie town read. WIFOM but I was super stressed out and had no idea how to get my footing when I played mafia as my first game. If you're going to read someone as nervous, I think the right lean would naturally be scum. and On January 27 2016 07:06 darthfoley wrote: The infamous Eden. Thankfully in this game I can answer your queries without having to worry about scum slipping are the relevant posts. I noted these-- the reason for my slight scum read on him-- because of this too. Especially the second one: It's such a nothing post (says nothing of value) and directly alludes to himself being town. The wording is also really weird, too; it almost looks like breadcrumbing but it doesn't say anything. "I can answer your queries without having to worry about scum slipping" is such a weird and unhelpful thing to say that it sounds like an eight-year-old with a good vocabulary was saying it. | ||
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Trfel
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
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Kuragari42
United States346 Posts
On January 27 2016 12:48 Trfel wrote: Kuragari42, what about darthfoley's posts stand out as scummy? Also, what do you think about Shapelog overall, given that he's made multiple references to himself being town? As I was reading darthfoley's posts in question, I thought to myself that they seemed to needlessly reference his affiliation and that VoT did the same thing in my last game as mafia. Not sure why Shape's didn't until I read TW's mention. Maybe I just skimmed over them, idk, I'm pretty tired. Shapelog seems like a sort of troll player to me and since I have no grasp of his meta, it is hard for me to think much of him as of yet. Is this troll behavior normal for him? | ||
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Trfel
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On January 27 2016 12:58 Kuragari42 wrote: I don't know much about Shapelog, however I don't see him as a "troll player" like most players have expressed.As I was reading darthfoley's posts in question, I thought to myself that they seemed to needlessly reference his affiliation and that VoT did the same thing in my last game as mafia. Not sure why Shape's didn't until I read TW's mention. Maybe I just skimmed over them, idk, I'm pretty tired. Shapelog seems like a sort of troll player to me and since I have no grasp of his meta, it is hard for me to think much of him as of yet. Is this troll behavior normal for him? I'm a little confused by your statements: "Not sure why Shape's didn't [stand out as scummy] until I read TW's mention" "it is hard for me to think much of him as of yet" Am I interpreting these statements correctly? And if so, can you explain what you mean? | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
You said you think that Shapelog seemed "overexcited or nervous". If he was in fact town, why would he be nervous? He should be put off by accusations/scum observations. Also, what about being townie make him overexcited? I can see how rolling mafia would make a noob overexcited or nervous. | ||
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Kuragari42
United States346 Posts
On January 27 2016 13:02 Trfel wrote: I don't know much about Shapelog, however I don't see him as a "troll player" like most players have expressed. I'm a little confused by your statements: "Not sure why Shape's didn't [stand out as scummy] until I read TW's mention" "it is hard for me to think much of him as of yet" Am I interpreting these statements correctly? And if so, can you explain what you mean? I am unsure how you are confused. Maybe it would help if you explained what you are interpreting them as? I meant that, thinking back on it, I didn't know why darth's posts stood out as scum and Shape's did not considering they did the exact same thing. I have not been able to establish a worthwhile read on Shape due to his behavior and my lack of meta knowledge. | ||
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darthfoley
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Kuragari42
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Trfel
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If anyone has any questions for me, please feel free to ask. I have a suspicion or two that I don't want to share quite yet, it will be clear soon enough. Also, I am currently townreading both Shapelog and PepperMintTea, but I don't want to give them defenses in case they are mafia. I'm very willing to discuss other players  | ||
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Kuragari42
United States346 Posts
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien. He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs). Talk about other players. On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote: Is anyone else here seeing a pattern? Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed. [/QUOTE] I actually did know that Mafia knew the setup, but I forgot when I posted about giving away info. I thought the pattern I was referring to seemed clear. Shapelog thought of something, harped on that topic, when others said it was counterproductive he suddenly switched sides and heeled put down his own suggestion. For the most part, Shapelog seems to be too eager too agree with whatever anyone proposes. Also looks too helpful to me, ignores his own defense, sutly defending me with cheap townie reads. | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote: Hi boys! First mafia game anywhere ever for me, should be fun. Got interested from watching the Dota 2 community mafia streams. Also casually ghosted a few of the recent games on TL. My observations as of right now: 1. Shapelog is the most scummy player to me. Reason A: Announcing you have some sort of tell on a player(noon), before he has even posted seems like a really bad idea. If hes mafia he can now attempt to replicate his his VT play from "the last two games", and even if he doesn't do "the tell" he'll be more prepared to defend himself from Shapelog. Reason B: He was the first to bring up the possible setups. Before the game started I considered if there would be any merit for town to discuss setups on D1, and I concluded that talking about it before anyone had claimed anything would be probably be useless. Bringing up useless stuff doesn't further the town agenda. Although the fact that he's done all this so fast is a little confusing. 2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien. He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs). 3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times: Going forward: Talk about other players. Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed. Nice dude, this is my first ever game as well, I also got super interested after binge watching "The Town" with dota personalities. Anyway, relative to the game, Sorry for not posting until now, I was out socializing for Australia Day, then had a graveyard shift at work, and only just got back / read through everything. I don't have any major reads, mostly since I haven't slept in about 36 hours and can't put a coherent thought together. I'll definitely re-read the thread more carefully after I've had a decent sleep and post some more transparent observations, but for now I'll just be lurking. If anyone wants to direct some questions at me feel free. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote: Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu. Do you have any scumreads? I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost. I'm a little put off by the fact that you felt like you needed to spend quite a bit of time on your entry post | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On January 27 2016 11:04 darthfoley wrote: Darthfoley, can you explain by what you meant by this statement, and any conclusions you may have drawn from this?I'm also curious about MexicanAlien's pattern he mentioned. I'd like to hear more about that. I'm reading his aggressive stance vs. Shapelog as town lean right now, because I can see why a newer player would come to the conclusion that Shapelog is scummy given his posts so far. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
I didn't think someone would act this suspicious this early in on my first game I actually disagree with MexicanAlien's read re Shapelog, but I can see why another newer player could interpret it as simply obvious mafia play. If you want to know my reasons, look at my reply to Alur + I don't think an inexperienced mafia player who was on the hot seat right off the bat would respond by continued activity and the longest filter in the game so far. I hesitate to give MexicanAlien anything more than a slight town read now. I think he's null town lead. I also have some suspicions of my own, but like you, I would prefer to keep them to myself until more people have joined the conversation. | ||
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