Newbie Student Mafia XIX - Page 14

Ignoring the read therefore, I typically see the excessive posting of nonsense as a town trait where he isn't being too careful about anything. So I would have Shapelog leaning town for now.

How do you know this when you have no experience to back it up? This being your first game of forum mafia and all.

PepperMintTea

187 Posts

January 26 2016 23:45 GMT

#263

On January 27 2016 08:44 nooniansoong wrote:

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How do you know this when you have no experience to back it up? This being your first game of forum mafia and all.

I have played mafia before; online versions and in real life.

Alur

Denmark3900 Posts

January 26 2016 23:49 GMT

#264

Hi boys!

First mafia game anywhere ever for me, should be fun. Got interested from watching the Dota 2 community mafia streams. Also casually ghosted a few of the recent games on TL.

My observations as of right now:

1. Shapelog is the most scummy player to me.

Reason A: Announcing you have some sort of tell on a player(noon), before he has even posted seems like a really bad idea. If hes mafia he can now attempt to replicate his his VT play from "the last two games", and even if he doesn't do "the tell" he'll be more prepared to defend himself from Shapelog.

Reason B: He was the first to bring up the possible setups. Before the game started I considered if there would be any merit for town to discuss setups on D1, and I concluded that talking about it before anyone had claimed anything would be probably be useless. Bringing up useless stuff doesn't further the town agenda.

Although the fact that he's done all this so fast is a little confusing.

2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).

3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:

On January 27 2016 06:43 darthfoley wrote:
he did help successfully defend me from a lynch that game tho so shoutouts to you kush

Going forward:

Talk about other players.

On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Is anyone else here seeing a pattern?

Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed.

PepperMintTea

187 Posts

January 27 2016 00:05 GMT

#265

I have to go, be back tomorrow

Alur

Denmark3900 Posts

January 27 2016 00:05 GMT

#266

*EBWOP: Talk about other players than just Shapelog, we have 3 scum to catch.

I feel like I end up editing 50% of my posts online, guess I'll be EBWOPPING all game.

Also Onegu seems intent on town not engaging in fruitless discussions. It seems towny, but I'm guessing any experienced mafia player would notice these types of town mistakes and try to capitalize for towncred. So I'm hesitant to townread him too much for it.

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 27 2016 00:17 GMT

#267

On January 27 2016 08:41 PepperMintTea wrote:

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Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue.

Ignoring the read therefore, I typically see the excessive posting of nonsense as a town trait where he isn't being too careful about anything. So I would have Shapelog leaning town for now.

but don't these points contradict each other?
(a) he's nervous, which makes him (b) talk a lot of nonsense.
(b) talking a lot of nonsense makes him (c)townie.
So then by the transitive relation, a=c, him being nervous makes him townie.

Why would townies be nervous?

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 27 2016 00:23 GMT

#268

On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).

What could be wifom and why is it wifom?
FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.

3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:

Why is it scummy to be casual?

Going forward:

Talk about other players.

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Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed.

He already explained it I think.

Alur

Denmark3900 Posts

January 27 2016 00:24 GMT

#269

Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.

Do you have any scumreads?

I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.

Alur

Denmark3900 Posts

January 27 2016 00:26 GMT

#270

It's 1.30 AM, but I'll answer your questions now Noon.

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 27 2016 00:30 GMT

#271

[b]##vote pepperminttea[/b

I can't understand her reads.

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 27 2016 00:30 GMT

#272

##vote pepperminttea

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 27 2016 00:37 GMT

#273

Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much.

Alur

Denmark3900 Posts

January 27 2016 01:01 GMT

#274

On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote:

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What could be wifom and why is it wifom?
FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.

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Why is it scummy to be casual?

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He already explained it I think.

Firstly #2 states: "The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!"

So yes, the mafia does know the setup.

MexicanAlien posted:

On January 27 2016 07:23 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Yes why talk about blue roles? This could possibly give the scum information. This may or may not help them but we shouldn't unwittingly give them any more

To me, this post suggests that MexicanAlien was not aware of the fact that mafia knows the setup. If he was mafia, he would know that mafia knew the setup. I think, it's WIFOM because it could be a gambit to make himself seem town.

Regarding being casual:
Not necessarily scummy, especially early on day 1. But when I look through his filter he seems too content on just making casual conversation (for my taste), but it's only as strong as any day 1 read can be, which is a caveat that I don't feel the need to post with my every read. I was also hoping for him to defend himself.

Regarding the pattern:
I don't think he explained it. He talks about a bunch of stuff after #235, but I can't tell if the observations he makes are different/unrelated to the pattern he claims to have seen in #235.

darthfoley

United States8004 Posts

January 27 2016 01:03 GMT

#275

Kush, i'm pretty sure that this wording indicates that mafia does know the specific setup, given that every mafia setup is the same.

The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!

Could be wrong, but that seems pretty explicit, no?

3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:

I am excited. To be fair, it's hard to be invested when only ~4 of 13 players have posted (when my quote you've used was written). I feel no pressure in terms of slip ups and stuff like that because i'm town, so I think it makes perfect sense that I come off as casual, especially on D1.

I like what Noon has thought up so far regarding PeppermintTea; I don't think it makes much sense to read someone's nervousness as a newbie town read. WIFOM but I was super stressed out and had no idea how to get my footing when I played mafia as my first game. If you're going to read someone as nervous, I think the right lean would naturally be scum.

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 27 2016 01:10 GMT

#276

alur yeah that point about MA makes sense.

Alur

Denmark3900 Posts

January 27 2016 01:12 GMT

#277

Gonna go to bed now. Making this reply wasn't the most fun thing ever, but I can see how asking me to elaborate on my reads is helpful for determining whether I'm town or not. Still not a big fan of helping the player I'm (softly) accusing defend himself. And I agree with Noon that pepper's post seems really wierd (as I alluded to in #269).

Looking forward to seeing more from the posters who have been inactive so far, maybe Eden will make his pretty looking early-game big post again?

I should be back in 10 hours.

Shapelog

United States5185 Posts

January 27 2016 01:58 GMT

#278

Yo USP is the bomb. Got me my motherboard a day early :D

I've read the TR on me. I think it is the worse possible town read on me period.
Let me explain.

On January 27 2016 08:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
A fairly interesting beginning. I wanted to share some of my observations

Shapelogseems to strike me as overexcited or nervous. I also do not believe he is reading the game carefully enough and he just spouts whatever comes into his head. At first his read of "town lean on MexicanAlien" seems rather farfetched

He/she calls my town lean on Mexican Alien farfetch. I town lean that came from:

On January 27 2016 07:07 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Alright enough about meta reads
we should come up with a strategy

On January 27 2016 07:17 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I have no freakin clue what to do.
We need information.

There is no way that a mafia make the first post and then makes the second. He could of easily pushed a mafia agenda right here. Hell he could of taken Thread control here forcing townies to listen to a strategy that really doesn't have any merit to it (too early in the game IMO).
Also the "we need infomation" also seems townie to me (though i will admit it can defiantly be NAI).

On January 27 2016 07:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:
no blue talk it is useless (to townies)

Tell me what is the purpose of saying this as mafia? Like at all why would he want the blue talk to end? Sure, maybe he wanted cred for it. But this is a very pro-townie statement, In fact, mafia benefits NONE from it.

On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Is anyone else here seeing a pattern?

This shows he is reading the thread and is trying to actively solve the game. Patterns are usally the first thing the brain notices when Analyzing things.

So My town read on Mexican is good. The fact he is solving the game should be a clear indication.
But here is why you don't town read him:

On January 27 2016 07:43 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Why does shapelog call his own play dumb? Shouldn't he be trying to play well? "Improve D1"?

Ok, First off I could see where you come from. Maybe (Just maybe) you think he is trying to draw attention to me, and possibly forcing a mislynch on me.
Ok lets ponder this:
Sure, i'll admit that I am prob. the best mislynch target for mafia at this point. I mean god, look at my posts. A lot of things that can be used for a case. And sure, while I did tried to help town, i ended up failing epicly. Also who would trust me? honestly who?
But the thing is, the above post from him doesn't push me. Sure, it could be taken as that. But that is more of a playstyle question then "I think this guy could be scum b/c of X" statement.
And lets also ponder the fact you can be mafia.
You come into the thread "lolly lolly, I am peppermint" read the posts and you get to the end. Who stands out? Prob. me and mexcian. You see that everyone is sus. of me. I can totaly see you town reading me (since you know I am town b/c your mafia) so when i get lynch (or if i get lynched) you get cred for it. You also benift if mexican gets killed because he is a strong player.
So no matter what you win either way.

Finally, lets discus your town read on me:
Initial: "hes overexcited and nervous"

On January 27 2016 08:41 PepperMintTea wrote:

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Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue.

So you drop the overexcited part? Ok, I will admit, I do have anxintry disorder. But, I have not felt nervous or overexcited about this at all. sure, i am happy that i am playing, but i am not like OMG YES YES YES.

What also is funny is that you decide is that my town lean was weak, BUT your town read was not. I mean at least mine I could prove and it made sense. All yours is on is tone, period.

Honestlly, Right now, you have a good chance of being scum.
##VoteepperMintTea