EPTWhat do you think about Kuragari42?
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Trfel
7015 Posts
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 27 2016 14:25 darthfoley wrote: Sure. I think that Shapelog's first few posts were pretty bad from a town standpoint. What I mean by that, is that I could see an eager player latching onto Shapelog's questions about the blue roles and believing that he's just being terribly obvious scum. I actually disagree with MexicanAlien's read re Shapelog, but I can see why another newer player could interpret it as simply obvious mafia play. If you want to know my reasons, look at my reply to Alur + I don't think an inexperienced mafia player who was on the hot seat right off the bat would respond by continued activity and the longest filter in the game so far. I hesitate to give MexicanAlien anything more than a slight town read now. I think he's null town lead. I also have some suspicions of my own, but like you, I would prefer to keep them to myself until more people have joined the conversation. Looking at this from a new angle, I see your point. I'm not ready to dismiss Shapelog as a suspect, but I get how he just might be "too scum" to actually be scum. Either he's clique noob scum, or he's simply bad at focusing, too talkative, and a noob. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
Although I think Shapelog has been way more reliant on the "oops i'm noob" posts compared to me, so i'm a little puzzled why those posts wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb, but mine would. Not sure I like the "he's a troll so I have no read on him, even though he has the longest filter so far" argument. Mixed feelings | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
I have vividly read the thread and people are questioning my playstyle. I am a trollish player D1, as the Shapelog beast needs content. In my past experiences, lack of content = mafia win. I generally get better towards late game and near the dead line at D1. I am also great at scum hunting when i get drunk. So basically I use it to generate content early game. My humor will keep going through the night. I also like to point out something: On January 27 2016 07:13 Shapelog wrote: I Know your not talking to me, but i suggest we start organizing the town/Find a direction to go into for lynch and D2 (and n1 actions i guess). A course I am not sure how to do it, since half of the players have not posted and it is only a hour into the game. One the talk about the blue actions came from me saying "I guess we could do this blah blah blah" I was more worried/wanting to do the first think listed which is Organizing the town/Find a direction to go into for lynch and D2. I just like to point out the fact that i didn't go "well we should organizing the blue roles tonight!" Two @Mexicano yeah don't expect me to defend myself often. I am a submissive person in general. Also Why do i need to defend my self heavily? Sure above I just defended myself, but in it I am not saying your wrong I am just saying that isn't all that was said. Unless I in Danger of costing town a mislynch then there isn't a need for me to heavily defend myself. I also want to learn how to do D1 better and other than a coach I have to rely on the game. Three: Prince LoneMeow has not posted the voting thread | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
I mean how does strong townies (from what i seen from other games) like Trifel doesn't have a read on me. Unbelievable. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
On January 27 2016 13:19 Trfel wrote: Kuragari42, thanks for answering my questions. I think I understand where you're coming from. I was questioning a logic thing, but I don't think that it is important given your answers. If anyone has any questions for me, please feel free to ask. I have a suspicion or two that I don't want to share quite yet, it will be clear soon enough. Also, I am currently townreading both Shapelog and PepperMintTea, but I don't want to give them defenses in case they are mafia. I'm very willing to discuss other players  But Why am I town when you just said a hour or so before this that i was unreadable? Then you don't post anything about your read? Really? Also can you generally tell me why PeppermintTea is town? To me shes mafia for a reason i already explain earlier. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
On January 27 2016 13:29 _MexicanAlien wrote: [Q]On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote: 2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien. He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs). Talk about other players. Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed. I actually did know that Mafia knew the setup, but I forgot when I posted about giving away info. I thought the pattern I was referring to seemed clear. Shapelog thought of something, harped on that topic, when others said it was counterproductive he suddenly switched sides and heeled put down his own suggestion. For the most part, Shapelog seems to be too eager too agree with whatever anyone proposes. Also looks too helpful to me, ignores his own defense, sutly defending me with cheap townie reads.[/QUOTE] So the fact that i town read you because you are solving the game in a manner in which a townie would do, and backing those up with quotes of showing what i meant is cheap? What about it is cheap to you? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On January 27 2016 14:55 Shapelog wrote: I feel that it's pretty obvious that you are town. And thanks, but I'm not a very strong town player. Eden1892 is an extremely capable town player, though. I never said that you were unreadable, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. I acknowledged that other people say that you are unreadable, though I don't feel the same way.Is my Trolling really this godly at causing mass chaos lol? I mean how does strong townies (from what i seen from other games) like Trifel doesn't have a read on me. Unbelievable. @Shapelog, there is no voting thread for this game. @darthfoley (and all): I think that Kuragari42 is town. There are a few tonal indicators in his filter that make me think this. One example is that he is very open by saying that his reads didn't logically make sense, while adjusting his reads as he receives new information. This is not the natural approach for mafia to take. I was very confident in _MexicanAlien being town, and while I'm a bit less confident now, I do think he is town. Give me a bit about PepperMintTea. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
On January 27 2016 15:04 Trfel wrote: I feel that it's pretty obvious that you are town. And thanks, but I'm not a very strong town player. Eden1892 is an extremely capable town player, though. I never said that you were unreadable, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. I acknowledged that other people say that you are unreadable, though I don't feel the same way. @Shapelog, there is no voting thread for this game. @darthfoley (and all): I think that Kuragari42 is town. There are a few tonal indicators in his filter that make me think this. One example is that he is very open by saying that his reads didn't logically make sense, while adjusting his reads as he receives new information. This is not the natural approach for mafia to take. I was very confident in _MexicanAlien being town, and while I'm a bit less confident now, I do think he is town. Give me a bit about PepperMintTea. For me Not being able to be read = unreadable. And don't doubt yourself, you seem like a person who can lead a town in the right direction. Also I have sent Prince LoneMeow a Pm letting him know. What has happen to make Mexican Alien go down on the town list in your mind? If anything he is prob. the hardest working one out of everyone right now. Was there a post or train of thought i missed? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
I've also gone through a similar progression with MexicanAlien | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I feel that PepperMintTea's reads show critical thinking and an attempt to solve the game, making me think that PepperMintTea is town. I won't elaborate at this time. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On January 27 2016 10:58 Shapelog wrote: Yo USP is the bomb. Got me my motherboard a day early :D I've read the TR on me. I think it is the worse possible town read on me period. Let me explain. He/she calls my town lean on Mexican Alien farfetch. I town lean that came from: There is no way that a mafia make the first post and then makes the second. He could of easily pushed a mafia agenda right here. Hell he could of taken Thread control here forcing townies to listen to a strategy that really doesn't have any merit to it (too early in the game IMO). Also the "we need infomation" also seems townie to me (though i will admit it can defiantly be NAI). Tell me what is the purpose of saying this as mafia? Like at all why would he want the blue talk to end? Sure, maybe he wanted cred for it. But this is a very pro-townie statement, In fact, mafia benefits NONE from it. This shows he is reading the thread and is trying to actively solve the game. Patterns are usally the first thing the brain notices when Analyzing things. So My town read on Mexican is good. The fact he is solving the game should be a clear indication. But here is why you don't town read him: Ok, First off I could see where you come from. Maybe (Just maybe) you think he is trying to draw attention to me, and possibly forcing a mislynch on me. Ok lets ponder this: Sure, i'll admit that I am prob. the best mislynch target for mafia at this point. I mean god, look at my posts. A lot of things that can be used for a case. And sure, while I did tried to help town, i ended up failing epicly. Also who would trust me? honestly who? But the thing is, the above post from him doesn't push me. Sure, it could be taken as that. But that is more of a playstyle question then "I think this guy could be scum b/c of X" statement. And lets also ponder the fact you can be mafia. You come into the thread "lolly lolly, I am peppermint" read the posts and you get to the end. Who stands out? Prob. me and mexcian. You see that everyone is sus. of me. I can totaly see you town reading me (since you know I am town b/c your mafia) so when i get lynch (or if i get lynched) you get cred for it. You also benift if mexican gets killed because he is a strong player. So no matter what you win either way. Finally, lets discus your town read on me: Initial: "hes overexcited and nervous" So you drop the overexcited part? Ok, I will admit, I do have anxintry disorder. But, I have not felt nervous or overexcited about this at all. sure, i am happy that i am playing, but i am not like OMG YES YES YES. What also is funny is that you decide is that my town lean was weak, BUT your town read was not. I mean at least mine I could prove and it made sense. All yours is on is tone, period. Honestlly, Right now, you have a good chance of being scum. ##Vote  epperMintTeaThis is why I hate reading your posts... Big post incoming from me with stream of thoughts. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
People who have posted and peace: Eden: Posted once asking about Specifics about my "plan" post. PepperMintTea: Posted a small WoT saying how my town read on Mexican wasn't strong and how i was town. She did give warning she was going to leave thou. JesusIncate: No posts so far. Kush: Comes in asking questions. After PepperMintTea posts votes her. Explained it a bit. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
On January 27 2016 15:11 Trfel wrote: Yeah, sorry, I'm not going to give a detailed explanation of my read on PepperMintTea right now because if I'm wrong, that would be a free defense. Which is a pretty stupid thing to do. I feel that PepperMintTea's reads show critical thinking and an attempt to solve the game, making me think that PepperMintTea is town. I won't elaborate at this time. Fair enough. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Initially, _MexicanAlien seemed very eager to solve the game, but then has stagnated a bit. It's seemed like he's focused on his read on Shapelog, but has felt a bit less interactive. I still feel confident that _MexicanAlien is town, my statement just shows how convinced I initially was. I really need to go to bed  Onegu, once you catch up, I'd really appreciate an answer to my question to you in this post. Thanks! | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
On January 27 2016 15:14 Onegu wrote: This is why I hate reading your posts... Big post incoming from me with stream of thoughts. Uh Oh.....I am going to use my magic 8 ball. Magic 8 ball is he going to call me scum?  | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
On January 27 2016 15:17 Trfel wrote: I mean, this game won't use a voting thread XD Votes are made in this thread. Initially, _MexicanAlien seemed very eager to solve the game, but then has stagnated a bit. It's seemed like he's focused on his read on Shapelog, but has felt a bit less interactive. I still feel confident that _MexicanAlien is town, my statement just shows how convinced I initially was. I really need to go to bed Onegu, once you catch up, I'd really appreciate an answer to my question to you in this post. Thanks!How is trying to read the person everyone has mixed emotion on a bad thing? I guess I could see what you mean by less interactive. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
At least this WoT will prob. help me read Onegu. | ||
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