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What are redirection abilities? The only one that comes to mind is the one from Artorias where he can "swap" ppl?
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On January 14 2016 22:16 disformation wrote:
What are redirection abilities? The only one that comes to mind is the one from Artorias where he can "swap" ppl?
Any ability that changes someone else's target. MIrror Man is and one of Yu Narukami's abilities are both examples, as well as Artorias.
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kitaman27
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In addition, you have just enough magic left to Quick Spin. Once per game, at night, you may deal 0.5 KP to all players who action on you that night. You may use this ability the same night you play a song.
Does this serve any purpose? 
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While we are at Yu Narukami:
The Lovers - Your target and whoever he targeted become lovers this night
Lovers means: if one of them dies both die?
The Fool - You and your target begin the day with ½ of majority of votes (rounded up).
Where do these votes come from? Like, are the remaining players divided into voting the target and Yu? Can they unvote? What does this ability do other than announcing that one of the two players with votes on them has this role?
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You build rockets, ja? You build most excellent rockets. You do notz care vere dese rockets come daun, dat eez not your department. At night you may launch wan of ze following rockets:
V1, V2, V3, Titan II, or Atlas V
V1: vat a panzy leetle rocket. Not efen a real rocket at all, ja?! Zis rocket vill land on somevan's head and knock him unconscious and incapable off doing ennysing at all zis cycle (roleblock)
V2: a masterpiece off modern ingenierung! Vat ein marvel! Zis rocket vill easily flatten all of London, bwahahaha! Traurig, London is not in zis game.You pick ze target for zis rocket and iv you die, it veel explode, killing whoever it vas above! (Mad hatter, you can change your rocket’s target every night)
V3: Nein nein nein nein nein! DaB ist also not ein rocket!!! It is just ein very big gun. I refuse to shoot guns, zey are for sissies! make somveone else shoots ziz rocket ja? (You may use this rocket at any time before the ½ of the day is done and rig the notification to show that someone else is firing it, it will do no damage)
Titan II: kaboom baby! Dis is ein schones ICBM! Nuclear launch detected, jawohl!!! Nukes someone, dealing 1 kp at the end of the day. Use by PMing a host a nuke target with ½ of the time left in the day. The thread will be notified that you are firing a nuke at your target. (ziz cannot ve used day von ja?) (this cannot be used day 1)
Atlas V: ve vill go to Mars, ja? Ve vill make new colony on Mars! Launches Werner von Braun and 2 persons of choice into space. This will open a QT for these 3 people. Because they are in space, their votes take a while to arrive, so they only have time to send in 1 (you and the players you send to mars may not vote switch). The Next night the ship arrives on mars. Whoops, Mars is boring and there is only space for 2 people to return to Earth. Closed voting system at night for who returns to Earth. Other 1 dies like Cohaagen in Total Recall. While in route and on mars, the players may not be targeted (they can still be lynched). You yourself cannot use your abilities while in route and on mars, because you need to fly the spaceship. There will be an announcement about the players launched and that they cannot be targeted.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"
Shouldn't the bold green part say that V1,V2 and Atlas are fired at night and V3, Titan II are fired during the first 24h of a day cycle? Or can I fire the V3 and Titan II during the night phase, too?
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On January 14 2016 23:10 disformation wrote:While we are at Yu Narukami: Lovers means: if one of them dies both die? Show nested quote +The Fool - You and your target begin the day with ½ of majority of votes (rounded up). Where do these votes come from? Like, are the remaining players divided into voting the target and Yu? Can they unvote? What does this ability do other than announcing that one of the two players with votes on them has this role?
(1) Lovers - this is correct.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lover
I'd recommend in general newer players when you enter themed games, mafiascum wiki can be your friend on the basics.
(2) Arbitrary vote manipulation. They are not attributed to specific players. It shouldn't affect remaining players unless the conditions specifically say "the lynch is decided between you and the target" - "or duel lynch mechanics" - which is the exact same thing.
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On January 14 2016 23:50 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 23:10 disformation wrote:While we are at Yu Narukami: The Lovers - Your target and whoever he targeted become lovers this night Lovers means: if one of them dies both die? The Fool - You and your target begin the day with ½ of majority of votes (rounded up). Where do these votes come from? Like, are the remaining players divided into voting the target and Yu? Can they unvote? What does this ability do other than announcing that one of the two players with votes on them has this role? (1) Lovers - this is correct. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=LoverI'd recommend in general newer players when you enter themed games, mafiascum wiki can be your friend on the basics. (2) Arbitrary vote manipulation. They are not attributed to specific players. It shouldn't affect remaining players unless the conditions specifically say "the lynch is decided between you and the target" - "or duel lynch mechanics" - which is the exact same thing.
2) this means you just pull a ton of votes out of nowhere and put them on yourself and the target? I call election manipulation strats.
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On January 14 2016 23:27 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +You build rockets, ja? You build most excellent rockets. You do notz care vere dese rockets come daun, dat eez not your department. At night you may launch wan of ze following rockets:
V1, V2, V3, Titan II, or Atlas V
V1: vat a panzy leetle rocket. Not efen a real rocket at all, ja?! Zis rocket vill land on somevan's head and knock him unconscious and incapable off doing ennysing at all zis cycle (roleblock)
V2: a masterpiece off modern ingenierung! Vat ein marvel! Zis rocket vill easily flatten all of London, bwahahaha! Traurig, London is not in zis game.You pick ze target for zis rocket and iv you die, it veel explode, killing whoever it vas above! (Mad hatter, you can change your rocket’s target every night)
V3: Nein nein nein nein nein! DaB ist also not ein rocket!!! It is just ein very big gun. I refuse to shoot guns, zey are for sissies! make somveone else shoots ziz rocket ja? (You may use this rocket at any time before the ½ of the day is done and rig the notification to show that someone else is firing it, it will do no damage)
Titan II: kaboom baby! Dis is ein schones ICBM! Nuclear launch detected, jawohl!!! Nukes someone, dealing 1 kp at the end of the day. Use by PMing a host a nuke target with ½ of the time left in the day. The thread will be notified that you are firing a nuke at your target. (ziz cannot ve used day von ja?) (this cannot be used day 1)
Atlas V: ve vill go to Mars, ja? Ve vill make new colony on Mars! Launches Werner von Braun and 2 persons of choice into space. This will open a QT for these 3 people. Because they are in space, their votes take a while to arrive, so they only have time to send in 1 (you and the players you send to mars may not vote switch). The Next night the ship arrives on mars. Whoops, Mars is boring and there is only space for 2 people to return to Earth. Closed voting system at night for who returns to Earth. Other 1 dies like Cohaagen in Total Recall. While in route and on mars, the players may not be targeted (they can still be lynched). You yourself cannot use your abilities while in route and on mars, because you need to fly the spaceship. There will be an announcement about the players launched and that they cannot be targeted.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" Shouldn't the bold green part say that V1,V2 and Atlas are fired at night and V3, Titan II are fired during the first 24h of a day cycle? Or can I fire the V3 and Titan II during the night phase, too?
Each ability specifies the condition when you can use it: V1 - "this cycle", or once that day/night cycle; V2, at night; V3, specific time during the day; Titan 2, specific time of day and not day 1; Atlas, send the request in at night and upon the daypost you get your QT with the people you requested.
In general, we tried our best to be as specific as possible with the how and the when of these roles, unlike most normal, there is a lot of stuff that can get used during the day or is expendable for an entire day and night cycle. There are restrictions on some abilities and do bear in mind for balance purposes some of this is possible so that both factions can use that, that is a key thing in PYP.
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On January 14 2016 22:57 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +In addition, you have just enough magic left to Quick Spin. Once per game, at night, you may deal 0.5 KP to all players who action on you that night. You may use this ability the same night you play a song. Does this serve any purpose?
It does. The question is whether we can trust you if you were to draft that role
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On January 14 2016 23:55 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 23:50 Half the Sky wrote:On January 14 2016 23:10 disformation wrote:While we are at Yu Narukami: The Lovers - Your target and whoever he targeted become lovers this night Lovers means: if one of them dies both die? The Fool - You and your target begin the day with ½ of majority of votes (rounded up). Where do these votes come from? Like, are the remaining players divided into voting the target and Yu? Can they unvote? What does this ability do other than announcing that one of the two players with votes on them has this role? (1) Lovers - this is correct. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=LoverI'd recommend in general newer players when you enter themed games, mafiascum wiki can be your friend on the basics. (2) Arbitrary vote manipulation. They are not attributed to specific players. It shouldn't affect remaining players unless the conditions specifically say "the lynch is decided between you and the target" - "or duel lynch mechanics" - which is the exact same thing. 2) this means you just pull a ton of votes out of nowhere and put them on yourself and the target? I call election manipulation strats.
Vote manipulation is a common thing in Greymist games, and in themed games, you may see slight vote manipulation such as stealing a single vote, donation of a single vote or duplication of a vote, (example: Ippo) but in such games it can go further than that. In Aperture 4, I multiplied my vote by the number of people that wagoned me from the previous night. So I had a shittonne of votes the next day.
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Mirror Man! (Catastrophe Mafia)
Before the end of Day 1, you must select a player. You will use your mirror powers to redirect all abilities that target that player to yourself.However, you are no mere mirror boy, you are Mirror Man! In addition to this redirect, you will also invert all abilities redirected to you. These abilities will do the opposite of their normal ability. Some abilities do not have opposites. If your target dies at any point in the game, you will be asked to pick a new one. Your selection will take effect the following phase. When you make your first selection, your target will be told: “A Mysterious Challenger approaches! You have been selected to choose his powers. Select a role for the player from the master list of roles. If you choose a role that has already been chosen, the player will randomize another role from the Mysterious Challenger list. You may not pick a role for this player that you have.” This message will confer no ability on that person to give you a power.
Right back-atcha!
Seems like the power picker text was copy pasted into the mirror man.
On January 14 2016 23:59 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 22:57 kitaman27 wrote:In addition, you have just enough magic left to Quick Spin. Once per game, at night, you may deal 0.5 KP to all players who action on you that night. You may use this ability the same night you play a song. Does this serve any purpose? It does. The question is whether we can trust you if you were to draft that role
I thought that was a joke ability.
On January 14 2016 23:58 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 23:27 disformation wrote:You build rockets, ja? You build most excellent rockets. You do notz care vere dese rockets come daun, dat eez not your department. At night you may launch wan of ze following rockets:
V1, V2, V3, Titan II, or Atlas V
V1: vat a panzy leetle rocket. Not efen a real rocket at all, ja?! Zis rocket vill land on somevan's head and knock him unconscious and incapable off doing ennysing at all zis cycle (roleblock)
V2: a masterpiece off modern ingenierung! Vat ein marvel! Zis rocket vill easily flatten all of London, bwahahaha! Traurig, London is not in zis game.You pick ze target for zis rocket and iv you die, it veel explode, killing whoever it vas above! (Mad hatter, you can change your rocket’s target every night)
V3: Nein nein nein nein nein! DaB ist also not ein rocket!!! It is just ein very big gun. I refuse to shoot guns, zey are for sissies! make somveone else shoots ziz rocket ja? (You may use this rocket at any time before the ½ of the day is done and rig the notification to show that someone else is firing it, it will do no damage)
Titan II: kaboom baby! Dis is ein schones ICBM! Nuclear launch detected, jawohl!!! Nukes someone, dealing 1 kp at the end of the day. Use by PMing a host a nuke target with ½ of the time left in the day. The thread will be notified that you are firing a nuke at your target. (ziz cannot ve used day von ja?) (this cannot be used day 1)
Atlas V: ve vill go to Mars, ja? Ve vill make new colony on Mars! Launches Werner von Braun and 2 persons of choice into space. This will open a QT for these 3 people. Because they are in space, their votes take a while to arrive, so they only have time to send in 1 (you and the players you send to mars may not vote switch). The Next night the ship arrives on mars. Whoops, Mars is boring and there is only space for 2 people to return to Earth. Closed voting system at night for who returns to Earth. Other 1 dies like Cohaagen in Total Recall. While in route and on mars, the players may not be targeted (they can still be lynched). You yourself cannot use your abilities while in route and on mars, because you need to fly the spaceship. There will be an announcement about the players launched and that they cannot be targeted.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" Shouldn't the bold green part say that V1,V2 and Atlas are fired at night and V3, Titan II are fired during the first 24h of a day cycle? Or can I fire the V3 and Titan II during the night phase, too? Each ability specifies the condition when you can use it: V1 - "this cycle", or once that day/night cycle; V2, at night; V3, specific time during the day; Titan 2, specific time of day and not day 1; Atlas, send the request in at night and upon the daypost you get your QT with the people you requested.In general, we tried our best to be as specific as possible with the how and the when of these roles, unlike most normal, there is a lot of stuff that can get used during the day or is expendable for an entire day and night cycle. There are restrictions on some abilities and do bear in mind for balance purposes some of this is possible so that both factions can use that, that is a key thing in PYP.
Yeah, I was a bit confused cause it said used during the night in the beginning as I highlighted, but thanks for clarifying how ze glorious rockets vork.
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In general, I recommend, you, and anyone else not familiar with how Grey runs his show, skim on the Aperture games (mind you that's a closed setup, but still), skim any of the games that he's derived any of the above roles from.
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On January 15 2016 00:13 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +Mirror Man! (Catastrophe Mafia)
Before the end of Day 1, you must select a player. You will use your mirror powers to redirect all abilities that target that player to yourself.However, you are no mere mirror boy, you are Mirror Man! In addition to this redirect, you will also invert all abilities redirected to you. These abilities will do the opposite of their normal ability. Some abilities do not have opposites. If your target dies at any point in the game, you will be asked to pick a new one. Your selection will take effect the following phase. When you make your first selection, your target will be told: “A Mysterious Challenger approaches! You have been selected to choose his powers. Select a role for the player from the master list of roles. If you choose a role that has already been chosen, the player will randomize another role from the Mysterious Challenger list. You may not pick a role for this player that you have.” This message will confer no ability on that person to give you a power.
Right back-atcha! Seems like the power picker text was copy pasted into the mirror man. Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 23:59 Half the Sky wrote:On January 14 2016 22:57 kitaman27 wrote:In addition, you have just enough magic left to Quick Spin. Once per game, at night, you may deal 0.5 KP to all players who action on you that night. You may use this ability the same night you play a song. Does this serve any purpose? It does. The question is whether we can trust you if you were to draft that role I thought that was a joke ability. Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 23:58 Half the Sky wrote:On January 14 2016 23:27 disformation wrote:You build rockets, ja? You build most excellent rockets. You do notz care vere dese rockets come daun, dat eez not your department. At night you may launch wan of ze following rockets:
V1, V2, V3, Titan II, or Atlas V
V1: vat a panzy leetle rocket. Not efen a real rocket at all, ja?! Zis rocket vill land on somevan's head and knock him unconscious and incapable off doing ennysing at all zis cycle (roleblock)
V2: a masterpiece off modern ingenierung! Vat ein marvel! Zis rocket vill easily flatten all of London, bwahahaha! Traurig, London is not in zis game.You pick ze target for zis rocket and iv you die, it veel explode, killing whoever it vas above! (Mad hatter, you can change your rocket’s target every night)
V3: Nein nein nein nein nein! DaB ist also not ein rocket!!! It is just ein very big gun. I refuse to shoot guns, zey are for sissies! make somveone else shoots ziz rocket ja? (You may use this rocket at any time before the ½ of the day is done and rig the notification to show that someone else is firing it, it will do no damage)
Titan II: kaboom baby! Dis is ein schones ICBM! Nuclear launch detected, jawohl!!! Nukes someone, dealing 1 kp at the end of the day. Use by PMing a host a nuke target with ½ of the time left in the day. The thread will be notified that you are firing a nuke at your target. (ziz cannot ve used day von ja?) (this cannot be used day 1)
Atlas V: ve vill go to Mars, ja? Ve vill make new colony on Mars! Launches Werner von Braun and 2 persons of choice into space. This will open a QT for these 3 people. Because they are in space, their votes take a while to arrive, so they only have time to send in 1 (you and the players you send to mars may not vote switch). The Next night the ship arrives on mars. Whoops, Mars is boring and there is only space for 2 people to return to Earth. Closed voting system at night for who returns to Earth. Other 1 dies like Cohaagen in Total Recall. While in route and on mars, the players may not be targeted (they can still be lynched). You yourself cannot use your abilities while in route and on mars, because you need to fly the spaceship. There will be an announcement about the players launched and that they cannot be targeted.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" Shouldn't the bold green part say that V1,V2 and Atlas are fired at night and V3, Titan II are fired during the first 24h of a day cycle? Or can I fire the V3 and Titan II during the night phase, too? Each ability specifies the condition when you can use it: V1 - "this cycle", or once that day/night cycle; V2, at night; V3, specific time during the day; Titan 2, specific time of day and not day 1; Atlas, send the request in at night and upon the daypost you get your QT with the people you requested.In general, we tried our best to be as specific as possible with the how and the when of these roles, unlike most normal, there is a lot of stuff that can get used during the day or is expendable for an entire day and night cycle. There are restrictions on some abilities and do bear in mind for balance purposes some of this is possible so that both factions can use that, that is a key thing in PYP. Yeah, I was a bit confused cause it said used during the night in the beginning as I highlighted, but thanks for clarifying how ze glorious rockets vork.
It was copy pasted to the mirror man role. That is on purpose.
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On January 14 2016 23:55 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 23:50 Half the Sky wrote:On January 14 2016 23:10 disformation wrote:While we are at Yu Narukami: The Lovers - Your target and whoever he targeted become lovers this night Lovers means: if one of them dies both die? The Fool - You and your target begin the day with ½ of majority of votes (rounded up). Where do these votes come from? Like, are the remaining players divided into voting the target and Yu? Can they unvote? What does this ability do other than announcing that one of the two players with votes on them has this role? (1) Lovers - this is correct. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=LoverI'd recommend in general newer players when you enter themed games, mafiascum wiki can be your friend on the basics. (2) Arbitrary vote manipulation. They are not attributed to specific players. It shouldn't affect remaining players unless the conditions specifically say "the lynch is decided between you and the target" - "or duel lynch mechanics" - which is the exact same thing. 2) this means you just pull a ton of votes out of nowhere and put them on yourself and the target? I call election manipulation strats.
With that role specifically, you will be seen during all points of the day as having a certain number of votes on you. Effectivly, this means that it will take less than a majority to lynch either you or your target.
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On January 15 2016 00:13 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +Mirror Man! (Catastrophe Mafia)
Before the end of Day 1, you must select a player. You will use your mirror powers to redirect all abilities that target that player to yourself.However, you are no mere mirror boy, you are Mirror Man! In addition to this redirect, you will also invert all abilities redirected to you. These abilities will do the opposite of their normal ability. Some abilities do not have opposites. If your target dies at any point in the game, you will be asked to pick a new one. Your selection will take effect the following phase. When you make your first selection, your target will be told: “A Mysterious Challenger approaches! You have been selected to choose his powers. Select a role for the player from the master list of roles. If you choose a role that has already been chosen, the player will randomize another role from the Mysterious Challenger list. You may not pick a role for this player that you have.” This message will confer no ability on that person to give you a power.
Right back-atcha! Seems like the power picker text was copy pasted into the mirror man. Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 23:59 Half the Sky wrote:On January 14 2016 22:57 kitaman27 wrote:In addition, you have just enough magic left to Quick Spin. Once per game, at night, you may deal 0.5 KP to all players who action on you that night. You may use this ability the same night you play a song. Does this serve any purpose? It does. The question is whether we can trust you if you were to draft that role I thought that was a joke ability. Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 23:58 Half the Sky wrote:On January 14 2016 23:27 disformation wrote:You build rockets, ja? You build most excellent rockets. You do notz care vere dese rockets come daun, dat eez not your department. At night you may launch wan of ze following rockets:
V1, V2, V3, Titan II, or Atlas V
V1: vat a panzy leetle rocket. Not efen a real rocket at all, ja?! Zis rocket vill land on somevan's head and knock him unconscious and incapable off doing ennysing at all zis cycle (roleblock)
V2: a masterpiece off modern ingenierung! Vat ein marvel! Zis rocket vill easily flatten all of London, bwahahaha! Traurig, London is not in zis game.You pick ze target for zis rocket and iv you die, it veel explode, killing whoever it vas above! (Mad hatter, you can change your rocket’s target every night)
V3: Nein nein nein nein nein! DaB ist also not ein rocket!!! It is just ein very big gun. I refuse to shoot guns, zey are for sissies! make somveone else shoots ziz rocket ja? (You may use this rocket at any time before the ½ of the day is done and rig the notification to show that someone else is firing it, it will do no damage)
Titan II: kaboom baby! Dis is ein schones ICBM! Nuclear launch detected, jawohl!!! Nukes someone, dealing 1 kp at the end of the day. Use by PMing a host a nuke target with ½ of the time left in the day. The thread will be notified that you are firing a nuke at your target. (ziz cannot ve used day von ja?) (this cannot be used day 1)
Atlas V: ve vill go to Mars, ja? Ve vill make new colony on Mars! Launches Werner von Braun and 2 persons of choice into space. This will open a QT for these 3 people. Because they are in space, their votes take a while to arrive, so they only have time to send in 1 (you and the players you send to mars may not vote switch). The Next night the ship arrives on mars. Whoops, Mars is boring and there is only space for 2 people to return to Earth. Closed voting system at night for who returns to Earth. Other 1 dies like Cohaagen in Total Recall. While in route and on mars, the players may not be targeted (they can still be lynched). You yourself cannot use your abilities while in route and on mars, because you need to fly the spaceship. There will be an announcement about the players launched and that they cannot be targeted.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" Shouldn't the bold green part say that V1,V2 and Atlas are fired at night and V3, Titan II are fired during the first 24h of a day cycle? Or can I fire the V3 and Titan II during the night phase, too? Each ability specifies the condition when you can use it: V1 - "this cycle", or once that day/night cycle; V2, at night; V3, specific time during the day; Titan 2, specific time of day and not day 1; Atlas, send the request in at night and upon the daypost you get your QT with the people you requested.In general, we tried our best to be as specific as possible with the how and the when of these roles, unlike most normal, there is a lot of stuff that can get used during the day or is expendable for an entire day and night cycle. There are restrictions on some abilities and do bear in mind for balance purposes some of this is possible so that both factions can use that, that is a key thing in PYP. Yeah, I was a bit confused cause it said used during the night in the beginning as I highlighted, but thanks for clarifying how ze glorious rockets vork.
I will edit the role for clarity.
Also, it appears as though I left off an ability on the Link, the Hero of Time role. I will add that to the OP and would draw your attention to it. (Might get rid of it later if I remember that I got rid of it for a reason, but I don't think thats the case)
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Yo folks excited to play 
I would prefer this to start Monday so I have time to properly read the op before the role picking day
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can I have a pizza with coke?
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On January 15 2016 04:25 Rels wrote:Yo folks excited to play I would prefer this to start Monday so I have time to properly read the op before the role picking day
Yeah, Monday would be great, give me a bit more time to fix RL stuffs.
If the Mysterious Challenger is picked voluntarily, the selector can designate ½ of the options that he does not want, and the role he gets will be randomized between the remaining roles. Roles that have already been selected from the list will be removed from the list. If for some reason all of the roles get removed from the list, all roles will be added back to the list.
If I was to select the Mysterious Challenger can I select up to 1/2 the options or does it have to be 1/2?
E.g. could I only exclude one of the roles from the pool?
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