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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 29 2016 03:52 GMT
#4441
On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
)
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
)
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
)

These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
)
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +
Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
)
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
)
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
)

Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
)
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
)
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
)

Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?

I do. I said why here:

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.



Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 29 2016 03:53 GMT
#4442
On January 29 2016 12:51 Koshi wrote:
kita/vivax/gb/copcake
onegu/sl/fefe/disfo

kita/vivax/gb/disfo
onegu/sl/fefe/copcake

Could also be true
I had a good night of sleep.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 03:53 GMT
#4443
On January 29 2016 12:51 Koshi wrote:
kita/vivax/gb/copcake
onegu/sl/fefe/disfo

That's pretty tinfoily :p
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 29 2016 03:55 GMT
#4444
TT played so much scum lately I forgot if he is a good player.
He was a pain in the ass in the game we lost with the spirits.
In the next 2 games he wasn' a pain in the ass and was mafia.
This game he isn't a pain in the ass.

But still :/
I had a good night of sleep.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 03:56 GMT
#4445
On January 29 2016 12:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
)
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
)
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
)

These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
)
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +
Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
)
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
)
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
)

Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
)
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
)
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
)

Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?

I do. I said why here:

On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.



Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck.

That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia.

The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it???
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 29 2016 03:58 GMT
#4446
On January 29 2016 12:56 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 12:52 Koshi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
)
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
)
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
)

These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
)
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +
Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
)
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
)
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
)

Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
)
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
)
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
)

Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?

I do. I said why here:

On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.



Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck.

That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia.

The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it???

You think as mafia he would write something that insane?
That's why I am so hesitant.
It's so fucking insane to write down what he did.

I also think he has 2 really townie reads in there. Something only a townie would think.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 29 2016 03:59 GMT
#4447
Maybe there is a bit too much silly tinfoil going on with tt.
I had a good night of sleep.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 29 2016 03:59 GMT
#4448
On January 29 2016 12:51 Koshi wrote:
kita/vivax/gb/copcake
onegu/sl/fefe/disfo



ROFLORLROLF 1/100000000000000 CHANCE
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
January 29 2016 04:00 GMT
#4449
On January 29 2016 12:55 Koshi wrote:
TT played so much scum lately I forgot if he is a good player.
He was a pain in the ass in the game we lost with the spirits.
In the next 2 games he wasn' a pain in the ass and was mafia.
This game he isn't a pain in the ass.

But still :/


Uhh I was town in Outlaw dude...

You only played with me as scum in Nutcracker.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
January 29 2016 04:02 GMT
#4450
On January 29 2016 12:56 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 12:52 Koshi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
)
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
)
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
)

These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
)
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +
Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
)
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
)
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
)

Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
)
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
)
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
)

Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?

I do. I said why here:

On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.



Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck.

That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia.

The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it???


Don't be salty that I was totally off about his teammates but still correctly lynched your scumbuddy.
I can take that responsibility.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 04:03 GMT
#4451
On January 29 2016 12:58 Koshi wrote:
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On January 29 2016 12:56 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:52 Koshi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
)
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
)
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
)

These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
)
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +
Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
)
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
)
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
)

Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
)
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
)
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
)

Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?

I do. I said why here:

On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.



Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck.

That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia.

The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it???

You think as mafia he would write something that insane?
That's why I am so hesitant.
It's so fucking insane to write down what he did.

I also think he has 2 really townie reads in there. Something only a townie would think.

The read is a little tempered by the fact that onegu actually flipped scum. Could be tmi, but I kind of doubt it.

But yea, In general I think scum can and do make rambling posts like that and come to conclusions that don't line up with what they actually wrote.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 29 2016 04:04 GMT
#4452
Hmm. Tomorrow I will filter dive and see if some people have interesting conversations with flipped mafia. Could give me some townreads maybe.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 29 2016 04:05 GMT
#4453
or read mafia filters. Who knows. Maybe nothing.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 29 2016 04:08 GMT
#4454
I already asked but forgot. Who were the protective roles and what were they? I only remember rels being the captain.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 29 2016 04:08 GMT
#4455
Sleep time now.
I had a good night of sleep.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 04:08 GMT
#4456
@TT:

Please, what part of my post was "salty". I'm not attacking you or trying to start a fight, so why did you feel the need to say that?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 29 2016 04:09 GMT
#4457
On January 29 2016 12:30 Koshi wrote:
Everything points towards a sl + onegu mafia team.

Everything

The "slip" conversation, the hesitation, the not killing each other with roles, the not wanting to point out why the other one was scummy during the duel, etc etc etc.


RFOLRFORLFLOOMLAOMLAOLNMA
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 29 2016 04:11 GMT
#4458
I swore on my grandmothers grave that if onegu flipped town I would afk vote him everyday 1. like wtf dude im sure were a team. im sure It was fake anger. im sure we didnt have a fight that lasted like 3 pages. your insane koshi. but we knew this
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 29 2016 04:11 GMT
#4459
I dont even know what page it was. but if you find that interaction between me and onegu you will understand why we cant be a team
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 29 2016 04:11 GMT
#4460
For me there are only 4 options left for mafia and 2 really unlikely one.

tt, disfo, cc, sl

unlikely:
keir, rels
I had a good night of sleep.
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