I literally gave him a smack down in a debate and he was saying random shit knowing I caught him. And we were both really mad at each other and you can see it in are posts.
On January 29 2016 13:11 sicklucker wrote: I swore on my grandmothers grave that if onegu flipped town I would afk vote him everyday 1. like wtf dude im sure were a team. im sure It was fake anger. im sure we didnt have a fight that lasted like 3 pages. your insane koshi. but we knew this
I honestly am amazed at how bad koshi is at reading me tho. Hes been hard convinced I was town like 3 times when I was mafia. And here I am super fucking town (and im pretty sure hes town) yet now im mafia even tho I spewed my self town so harrrdd
On January 29 2016 12:51 Koshi wrote: kita/vivax/gb/copcake onegu/sl/fefe/disfo
This is fucking absolutly bullshit there is no fucking way in all the heavens and the universe I would kill a teamate in the case I was mafia, there is no fucking way, ask Keirathi, I once blew up a whole fucking amazing game because I didn't want to lynch a teamate.
The only time I basically bussed hard as mafia was when moosydosy fucked our team but that's it.
This time i am not even near to be mafia, I have been busy, I am still working from home and probably will spend another 4 hrs on it.
When I am mafia I am absolutely dedicated and if you have any doubt, well the only two people who could have said something about me, is Keirathi (who might be mafia) and the rip Alot.
And I am going directly to you because you are not making any kind of sense about "me"
Now if you excuse me who I consider mafia:
Keirathi: Look at my interaction with him and onegu yesterday, they were like sheeping me to believe Onegu was town by night actions. (Tbh smart move, onegu saved townies) He also says I am active then I am sick I cant be active then I am at school coff coff when you know, shit is happening. In before cake but you do the same, check the times I log in: When I get at work, during my lunch time and at night when I arrive home, same pattern. The only days I could be active were my weekends. Also the whole "Oh kill me" was kinda odd.
Tiktok: I went to check my posts when I was talking to onegu and keirathi (needed to make sure it was keirathi and not sicklucker btw) and there is this gem that says " The vanilla virus is on me but will die after tonight.
Pretty sure the virus part is not a real RB though, just nullifies roles. it is like he is saying that he cant use night actions so rip. Also when onegu shared the sad news of his son onegu "gg" and tiktok also said "sorry to hear gg" to me it looked like both of them are in the same mafia team and knew that onegu wouldnt make a good case so gg"
There is one thing of palmar that is like in my mind and I would never forget "there is mafia in "me, this other guy this other guy etc" I guess I quoted it... dude like wtf, you should know for sure you are town you wouldnt say "there is mafia between me bla bla bla" you know for sure you are town and you dont list yourself there.
On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote: This is fucking absolutly bullshit there is no fucking way in all the heavens and the universe I would kill a teamate in the case I was mafia, there is no fucking way, ask Keirathi, I once blew up a whole fucking amazing game because I didn't want to lynch a teamate.
Can semi-vouch. You did hard refuse to bus SiRReN, but you also semi-bussed rayn but backed out of it when the wagon started rolling, which was part of the reason why I caught you
On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote: When I am mafia I am absolutely dedicated and if you have any doubt, well the only two people who could have said something about me, is Keirathi (who might be mafia) and the rip Alot.
I actually already DID say that, though.
On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote: Keirathi: Look at my interaction with him and onegu yesterday, they were like sheeping me to believe Onegu was town by night actions. (Tbh smart move, onegu saved townies)
What??? Where the fuck did you ever say anything about Onegu's night actions??
On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote: He also says I am active then I am sick I cant be active then I am at school coff coff when you know, shit is happening. In before cake but you do the same, check the times I log in: When I get at work, during my lunch time and at night when I arrive home, same pattern. The only days I could be active were my weekends. Also the whole "Oh kill me" was kinda odd.
What does being sick or having school have to do with me being scum? You can look and see that the vast majority of my posts are from 4pm (when I get home from school) until 2am or so. With a few random posts while I'm at school. I fail to see how that has any-fucking-thing to do with my alignment.
On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote: Tiktok: I went to check my posts when I was talking to onegu and keirathi (needed to make sure it was keirathi and not sicklucker btw) and there is this gem that says " The vanilla virus is on me but will die after tonight.
Pretty sure the virus part is not a real RB though, just nullifies roles. it is like he is saying that he cant use night actions so rip.
Huh? How does that make him scum if he's just saying how he thinks GB's role works now that it's on him?
On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote: Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.
I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
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These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.
I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
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Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
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Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?
On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote: Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.
I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
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These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.
I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
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Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
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Wow TT is scum.
He makes a list of his reads, and is convinced the 3 people at the bottom are scum. We know he is that sure because of this sentence:
1. disformation ( Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.) 3. Rels (I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for) 4. Onegu (honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.)
So for all of these reads he states variations of "I need to check his filter". This is not how townie operate: here TT is giving his reads BEFORE doing the filter dives that should conclude in his reads. He is preparing his reads progression without doing the work to back them up. In short, they are fabricated.
Furthermore, where is GB in all this ? He's been the scummiest player for a long time and he doesn't appear in this post.
I'm kinda not caring for the game since it's already won. Palmar Superbia Koshia and I are town. I will protect them all tonight, so they can't be killed; so the only possible kill out of the obvious townies is me, which: 1 - is the best kill among the obvious townies since some people suspects me 2 - only happens if disfo is scum anyway, since if he's town he protects me while I protect the other. We're just going to CPR kill / lynch all the remaining person in the game until the win.
Btw, Onegu flipping mafia is why I killed VA, and why I would do it again every time.
Onegu was mafia because he did mafia things. Even if my read waffled near the end of the day on him, the fact that he did scummy shit (like picking a scum role, and wasting a town role) made him mafia. His actions speak louder than any kind of a gut read I have.
VA lied about his role. He should have died on n1, but he got protected somehow. I figured no townie would ever protect VA due to activity and standing so I was sure it had to be a mafia protection. It turns out it was his own protection because he lied about the role. I killed someone who lied, and I would do it every time.
Palmar Koshi Superbia sicklucker Rels --------------------------- <--- Tryhard line Keirathi The Shining CopCake Tictock disformation
It is of absolute greatest importance that the people below the tryhard line try their absolute hardest to prove their innocence and to find mafia. The reason is very simple. At this point in the game, if you get lynched as town you're a massive liability. DO NOT GET LYNCHED AS TOWN.
We cannot afford mislynches this game, so please, please, don't despair or be shit, you have to tryhard.
I know the game is rigged because there's minimum 3 mafia left and I have a semi-townread on everyone but the bottom two. This means I am wrong somewhere.
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