[M][N] Unoriginal Name Mini Mafia

On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.

darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not.

On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking.

On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote:
I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far

On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote:
I don't like darthfoley so far because of this:




Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people.

On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game.

On January 09 2016 23:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


I find this post very scummy.

It feels like you're being excessive with how 'obviously' you know Rayn is town and the word choice of 'towniest towner ever towned' seems contrived, like you're trying to appear silly and nonthreatening.

Also I personally am not so chill when people accuse me of disappearing when I clearly had to go to work/sleep in a game but I don't detect any irritation in your post (unsure what to make of that but it strikes me as weird as well).




This is a narrative/explanatory post of another's play in quite a bit of detail which I find scummy in-of-itself. Maybe I don't quite understand what your goal is here, so if that's the case feel free to correct me.

With regards to Eden, I just want to trust him as town his posting just gives me vibes of genuine town honestly trying to project town and solve the game. I trust him.

On January 09 2016 23:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


I just personally get really irritated when someone does something like that to me it always strikes me as stupid because I never intentionally disappear as either alignment. Maybe it's just me though -shrug-

On January 10 2016 04:06 slOosh wrote:

mderg, vayne, tubesock in that order

On January 10 2016 10:17 Koshi wrote:

That's because they easily could be mafia.

On January 10 2016 10:02 Koshi wrote:
Unless they outplay us really hard here the mafia team boils down to max(?) 5 names. (Sloosh, Tubesock, VA, Sloosh, Kmatt)

There is nothing VA is doing to incriminate these 4 others except for SloOsh. Which he adamantly claimed when I scumread but him and SloOsh, it isn't in his meta to do that indeed. But he could still be mafia with the 3 others. (2 of them obviously)

SloOsh on the other hand is putting himself in such a bad situation with the 4 others. He scumreads 1 of them as 3rd (Tubesock), hard townreads boxerfred, Kmatt is joker mafia, and then him and VA are distancing.


So therefore my conclusion was:

Because I am hoping the joker is town.

On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: GiygaS



My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction.

The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes?

GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!"

Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing.

GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them.

GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters.

On January 10 2016 19:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So is this a reason for you to scumread GiygaS?
If it is, what in GiygaS' answer to the concerns here does not make sense?

On January 10 2016 17:00 GiygaS wrote:

That would have helped, when your filter is that short its hard to say much else when there's basically nothing else in your filter. There's nothing of substance in that except for that post, and the one just now where you scum read me because I scum read you for the wrong reasons.

On January 10 2016 04:00 darthfoley wrote:
mderg- You conveniently missed my follow up post re GGTemplar and how I misread what he wrote. I thought he was talking about toning down day 1 accusations, not early read defending in the late game. I don't have a read on mderg but I'm surprised you missed a post that doesn't follow the narrative of me being scum

On January 10 2016 03:01 slOosh wrote:

I like darth's posting thus far. He engages in topics that are relevant to the thread at the time and gives fleshed out explanations.


I believe that mderg's read shows that he isn't reading the thread closely.

If he was, (or if he was at least reading darthfoley closely), he should have seen this post.
I would also suspect that he should also have been able to point out darthfoley's mistake in time order, as Koshi posted what he did before my spurt of posting, before I was an "active poster".

Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances.

On January 10 2016 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Basically this post comes down to:
- "My reads are essentially the same as GiygaS' yet he scumreads me for it."
- Rest of the post is inventing a narrative and then finding reasons to fit it.

On January 10 2016 21:10 Tubesock wrote:


Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well.

The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it.

On January 10 2016 21:37 Tubesock wrote:


It's wrong because when I die I'll flip green. But those are perfectly logical conclusions based on my 3 posts prior.

On January 10 2016 21:42 Tubesock wrote:


Ok. So semantics then. What is your question?

Was that quote really wrong?

On January 10 2016 22:13 Tubesock wrote:


Uh It would be a pretty logical case. And I don't fault anyone for casing me on those points. Hell, if GiygaS did I wouldn't have anything to argue with at all. So, sure it could be right.

Now what?

On January 11 2016 04:30 Koshi wrote:
It's ok. I know you are town.

On January 11 2016 05:30 GiygaS wrote:

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. HE CALLED HIMSELF SCUMMY HOW DO YOU NOT LYNCH THAT

On January 11 2016 06:02 GiygaS wrote:
The point that tubesock is self-aware is an understatement. The only real analysis he's done all game has been on himself and me purely based on my read of him.

On January 11 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:

No. I didn't like his conversation with Giygas. I liked everything before that though. But my read on Eden isn't anything serious. Just disappointment maybe.

On January 11 2016 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And yes slOosh, it is a fact that it is impossible for a townie to say scummy things.
If you are not purposefully throwing the game then every single thing you say has a townie agenda that you can explain. It must have, there is no other option. Telling people why they should reasonably scumread you is not an explanation -- because you already claim you are doing something that is not townie. It's really simple. Townies do townie things. Townies never do scummy things. Townies don't say the things they do are a reason to scumread them, they EXPLAIN why the things they do are townie.

On January 11 2016 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's all about the mindset. I guess you guys don't get it.

On January 11 2016 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Normally people react to the accusations on them the following way: "why the fuck does this guy call me scum? i am town and i am clearly trying to help the town." or even if they are more "sensitive" in a way they produce their posts it's something along the lines of; "okay so i can get why this guy calls me scum. i am not scum though, so i will try to make my best to explain why i said what he scumreads me for".

The way Tubesock does it is completely different. First of all he is using his "scummy" (which isn't scummy for him after all?) behavior to promote his case on GiygaS in a shitty way, like "this is not a reason to call me scum -- this would be understandable".

It is hard to explain, the last time this happened many people didn't ever get that... It's like, he is downplaying himself to saying "yes i was playing bad" but at the same time saying he wasn't really playing bad. Fuck.. idk how to explain it.

What would your reaction be if i called you scum for any post of yours? (not to even mention Tubesock kinda covered all his filter at that point -- and said HIMSELF he was playing non-optimally).

On January 11 2016 07:19 Koshi wrote:
I guess Eden might be mafia after all. Let me reread his filter.

On January 11 2016 06:06 mderg wrote:

What was it that you didn't like in that conversation?

On January 10 2016 16:42 Eden1892 wrote:
I understand the point you're making.

I still have a distinctly separate, stronger, desire to kill you, in no small part for the behavior you ascribed to yourself.

Perhaps you're missing my point. Your argument about GiygaS is reasonable. To this outside observer who already believes he's town and you're scum, it's not compelling enough. Why should I switch my vote?

On January 11 2016 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

no

On January 11 2016 08:05 Koshi wrote:

24h only.

In which we should all talk about how awesome I am.

On January 11 2016 08:12 slOosh wrote:
They way that the lynch worked out, I wouldn't be surprised if the counter wagon of noonian was also scum. I still would like not-rayn people to help me understand not-meta reads. Because I don't / can't meta.'

Right now I have him null leaning scum for low post count. But I can't see how you can get totes mcgoats scum or totes mcgoats town without meta.

On January 12 2016 03:30 nooniansoong wrote:
Anyway during lunch i went through some filters.

Mderg looking scummy.

- pressure on darthfoley that goes no where
- sheeped TS onto gigyas
- jumped ship on gigyas when wagon looked like it was going to falter. He gave no reason except that he thought about it more.
- left a scumlynch a the last second for me. Again without any reasoning, except my lack of content.

But boxerfred had even less content then me so I don't buy this reason to switch off boxerfred.

On January 12 2016 04:41 Koshi wrote:

That is shit then. Staying is way better.

On January 12 2016 05:10 nooniansoong wrote:


by everyone you mean 3/12 people?

On January 11 2016 10:58 GiygaS wrote:
My "blue hunting" was me genuinely not knowing how a named VT works in the average game. I read it on the mafiascum wiki that their claim is very important, so I thought it might be worth asking to generate some non-joke discussion.

To explain my townread on boxerfred, while it was light, and dropped continuously as he didn't show up, was that he seemed to be reading posts very carefully to make analysis. He was picking out tiny things like the medic dodge specificity that I missed and thought was interesting, esp. when I was suspicious of Koshi at the time.

Updated reads for me is that ggtemp, koshi and sloosh are confirmed for the time being. Rayn is still very town in my eyes, and mderg has moved up since I don't think he would have swapped to a 1 vote wagon if he was scum trying to save his teammate (he would have swapped to one of the two vote wagons).

It's worth noting that we know boxer wasn't around as there's no way he wouldn't have either swapped votes or talked in the thread otherwise. So there was max 2 mafia in the thread at the time of the lynch.

On January 12 2016 05:31 nooniansoong wrote:
So mderg if the wagon on me was clearly doomed why did you move there?

On January 12 2016 05:40 nooniansoong wrote:


Here you say it woulnd't have made a difference.

On January 13 2016 03:49 slOosh wrote:
Like, if we all agree that darthfoley is scum, then it seems like the right play to lynch him first. I think him flipping scum would be strong enough to exonerate Tubesock, despite the redcheck, given how D1 voting played out.

Am I making sense?

On January 13 2016 04:13 nooniansoong wrote:


the way i see it is darth think sloosh was active enough already when koshi started in on him and so koshi's pressure looked fake.
then he didn't like the "pivot" koshi did to an inactive poster. It has nothing to do with the timeline you are presenting.
I woudl be super super impressed with darthfoley was mafia, just because I never see mafia coming up with weird cases like.

Tubesock as for your mafia abilities, I suspect you were towned for a megapost/tinfoil which is not what I'm basing my townread on here.

On January 14 2016 04:44 Tubesock wrote:


Yup.

Do you think town is in a good or bad position right now?

Do you think Koshi's frustration is justified?

On January 14 2016 04:51 Eden1892 wrote:

Yeah. It's a perfectly logical, reasonable decision that's also the wrong decision to make. I fully understand what people are doing lynching him, but he just seems so town to me.

On January 14 2016 05:13 Tubesock wrote:


People should think about this post.

On January 14 2016 07:19 Eden1892 wrote:

Why would he do that as a caught scum? It's a gigantic waste of his time if he's scum. It's clearly not self-preservation because he keeps telling us to kill him.

Are you telling me you're unconvinced that someone who is active and giving involved reads is town? And that that's a bad town case?

And that with a known framer in the format, a red check is enough to convince you?

Why do you think the mafia didn't frame Tubesock innocent?

On January 14 2016 07:39 Eden1892 wrote:
What does that even mean? How is that "WIFOM"? It's a fact that if he flips scum, no one is taking any heed to anything he said in the thread. It's also a fact that self-preservation isn't what's going on since he's literally telling us we should kill him as he says all this. Neither of those scum motivations (confusing the thread and self-preservation) make sense.

Why can't you explain why scum would do what he's doing? Is it that hard? Maybe there's a reason it's so difficult to figure out why scum would do this? Like him not being scum??

How were his cases on Giygas or ray scummy? You're basically just saying that his D1 was a wash by saying "it's not the scummiest thing but it's not insanely towny." So it's not obviously town or obviously scum. Insightful.

And sure, there's a "good chance" he wasn't framed, I guess. Whatever that even means. It's so inexact that I'm not sure there's an actual idea being conveyed behind it, but there's a "good chance" I guess.

And who are those few others, then? If they were more sensible cop checks and you think the mafia framed them instead why aren't you trying to lynch them?

On January 14 2016 08:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
and with that flip I now agree with koshi that eden is incredibly suspicous

On January 15 2016 14:10 scott31337 wrote:
Got really busy at work guys - but I wanted to put out my thoughts. I'll try to jump on more tomorrow.

In order from town to scummy

1. GiygaS - Cop not CC'ed (I feel for ya bud, I was a two shot tracker that claimed one shot, and got disrespected too)
9. Koshi - He's shitting his town rainbow style, he's angry - yes, he does this when his town fails him.
11. GGTeMpLaR - He's playing well, and shooting it out -
2. Eden1892 - He feels town - I know he was trying to prove everyone wrong with the "TS was town" - but it needed to happen.
7. darthfoley - He did so well D1 - I need to read him more -
10. VayneAuthority - I want to believe in Rayn's meta read on you - from what I've obs'ed - it's rarely wrong, but he isn't perfect either.
5. Nooniansoong - he is nothing but one liners. I'm happy to vote him.
4. mderg - I'm his D3 mislynch from my view - speaks very little about me and now would be happy to lynch me. I still don't like his late vote d1 - the vet's say it's NAI, ehh, Milo bit me in the ass before on this.

On January 15 2016 19:12 GiygaS wrote:
Koshi you're green. I'm an idiot for checking you, I know.

On January 16 2016 08:33 nooniansoong wrote:
Hello?!
ANYONE THERE!
Damn it's like im the only one playing this game.

On January 19 2016 07:37 Eden1892 wrote:

explain like any of this

On January 12 2016 21:25 nooniansoong wrote:
Scumteam Eden mderg for post game bragging rights though

On January 13 2016 03:46 nooniansoong wrote:
Defense of darthfoley:
First thing is his first game and he uses a lot of reasoning and explains his thought process in a way that I wouldn't expect a first game player to even come close to faking. Yes, a lot of his arguments are bad (scumread on koshi for starting discussion), but I think bad arguments like that commonly come from noobs.

Changing your read a lot day 1 strikes me as a very townie thing to do. Scum pick a suspect then go with it. His reads show he is thinking about things and changing his mind based on the arguments people are presenting.

And he mentioned boxerfred only because he was asked about him.

On January 19 2016 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
I better vote at least. Lynch mderg after I flip town, someone do vca, you really think it was scum vs scum on the last day?

On January 19 2016 08:06 Eden1892 wrote:







You think he did.
Well... did he? And why does that matter? You can go look at the very beginning of kush's filter and see him address like five straight townies and then start defending giygas too. Giygas flipped cop.


Let's have fun and assume I had a greencheck on scott and just revealed it right now. What do you do then?

On January 19 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
The biggest mistakes he made are his really fake scumreads. Which all boil down on things people do that are odd. But never really scummy. It's never clever.

On January 19 2016 19:13 Koshi wrote:

What do you mean with the bolded?