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Eden,
Explain to me and the thread why you have been yelling for 96 hours that there is 1 mafia between Giygas and Tubesock. You have made 5 "quality" posts the entire fucking game and they all said "there is 1 mafia between Giygas and Tubesock". You even came back from afkness right before deadline to tell us boxerfred was a bad lynch and that there was 1 mafia between Giygas and Tubesock. In your testament post right before EoN1 you said: "1 mafia between Giygas and Tubesock."
But then when Giygas says Tubesock is a redcheck suddenly Tubesock is framed????
How?
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Koshi, is town in a bad spot right now?
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On January 13 2016 18:20 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 07:15 darthfoley wrote:Okay I've read the last couple of pages and I will try to respond to everything that's been presented against me. I'll provide my reads currently Confirmed town: slOosh (named VT and no one can counterclaim), GiygaS (cop) ~100% confirmed town in my mind: GGTemplar. As I posted earlier, GGTemp was on the boxerfred wagon from the beginning, and I can't see a mafia strat including bussing your RB from almost the beginning of day 1. I'm less certain (but would bet) that Koshi is playing a good town game. However, I've rightly caught a lot of flak for being wishy washy on my voting habits; Koshi voted for four people during the day phase (Nooniansong, VA, Tubesock, Boxerfred). While unlikely, is it impossible for him to be on Tubesock, realize it won't go through, and switch to Boxerfred because the town cred for being on the correct lynch wagon vastly outweighs the benefit of having a suspiciously inactive mafia around that could eventually be tied back to you, even if it's the RB? Boxerfred in his kill post even said he realized he couldn't be active. I think smart mafia may be able to use that to their advantage in their QT thing. May i'm getting too tin-foil hatty here, or perhaps i'm sherlock holmes. This would basically confirm town Tubesock though, unless we somehow had two correct lynch wagons going on D1. Regarding VA, I just want to point this post out near the beginning of the game from Koshi.
3) VA is a master of pushing mafia agenda. If Sloosh isn't mafia the agenda is very intact. What I mean is: his options are still completely open to do w.e the fuck he wants to reach his wincon and help his team win.
If VA is either a smart town or good mafia, it makes sense why he would target me coming out N1 with a hard read on me. I've clearly been wishy washy on votes, misread posts, and haven't really led town discussion on anything, which signals weak first game town that can easily be made into a *ding ding ding, darth checks off all the mafia bells.* I understand why his case is compelling, except I haven't "feigned ignorance" like he says I have. I fully accept that I haven't been a strong town, but I haven't relied on the newbie crutch at all imo. If you guys end up lynching me, take good look at him when I come back green. I've gone through mderg's filter and I think he is probably town at this point; I don't think it would make sense to get off the Boxerfred wagon at that point in the day if he were trying to claim town cred for a correct lynch. While his filter is shorter than most, I don't see anything incriminating him currently. With the setup confirmed A, I think Tubesock is a potential frame target, however the EoD vote was so scattered that I could see mafia team including Tubesock deciding to not frame Tubesock to green. Given how his wagon kind of collapsed near the end of the day, there seemed to be some consensus that Tubesock was acting more townie. Personally i'm not very sold on the WIFOM "lynch me!" because isn't that exactly what you would do to come off as a town, willing to die for the good of the order? Noonian - I'm not sure what I think of Noonian at this point. While it doesn't make much sense for a mafia to defend someone who is likely to be lynched in the next day or two, it could also maybe(?) establish town creds when I flip green. Noon hasn't really given any reads besides his mderg+Eden hail mary, so that gives me some scum vibes. Scott - I don't want to beat a dead horse, but Scott's number 1-7 thing is pretty questionable. His excuse that he hadn't updated it when he posted it is also kind of silly: GGTemp being the same as me at 5.5, even though he advocated hard for boxerfred, and I didn't? I don't know why, if he's been reading the thread like he says he has, you would only have a "light" town read on GGTemp. I also don't think his case against mderg has any legs to stand on, leaving him with little substance even though he's posted a fair amount. He's my #2 lynch behind Tubesock. Eden - I think he's been especially strong since EoD1, making me fairly confident he's town. His discussion of mafia teams/lynch strategy make a lot of sense if you agree that either (but not both) me or Tubesock are mafia-- and most of you do. I realize this is the dreaded wall of text, but I haven't been able to post for a while soooooo 100% town: sloosh, giygas, ggtemplar pretty town: me, mderg shrug: noonian lynch: tubesock, scott koshi is ?????? you say probably a good townie game but then spend the rest of the paragraph talking about how he's mafia... va is "smart town or good mafia" who we should look at This is pretty uninspiring for me. Obvious town reads are obvious, made only slightly spicy by somehow not town reading Koshi as strongly as some other town reads. Obvious lynches are obvious. The thing that would actually help us solve this game is sorting out the trio of darthfoley, Vayne and kush. darth gives us very little about this -- his read on Vayne seems to imply that he thinks Vayne is mafia (see "when I flip green look at this guy"), but he starts off by saying "If VA were smart town or good mafia," his behavior makes sense. So all I learn from this is that darth doesn't think VA is dumb town. Great I guess, but not really helping. It's also strange to me that darth combines a very conceding treatment of VA's arguments (stuff like "I understand I haven't been a great townie" and the like), but then still thinks we should suspect VA. If VA's arguments are reasonable enough to force a concessive "I understand I haven't been a great townie" type of reaction, then why would VA be suspicious for giving such an argument? Shocking, I know, but this seems like a mafia reaction to me. Acknowledge your opponent has a point, but still try to paint your opponent as suspicious for making it. Not liking it. And then there's just not a lot said about Noonian either way, looks like a light scumread but darth isn't initiating a lot of conversation with Noonian to sort out his read. Especially given how Noonian should be near the top of his suspects list given his reads and the game state information we have, I'm -- surprise -- suspicious of darth here too.
Regarding VA, I'm not sure what you think is wrong with pointing out VA's options. I literally just said why you should still be suspicious regarding VA: He is a smart player. That intelligence can easily make a mafia case out of a weaker town, because a lot of his points are true. That's my whole point! You act like as a town, I have to argue against points that are obviously true (I flip flopped on some votes, I followed people's lead, etc). VA being mafia and my acknowledgement that some of his argument is supported by fact, are not mutually exclusive events. My acknowledgement of SOME of his argument also does not mean that I am mafia. I think it should be clear to you why, at this point.
If you were mafia, and you knew that your name had come up multiple times in the previous vote phase for inactivity, AND people said they were voting for you if you didn't get more active in the next day phase, who would you target? You obviously wouldn't target more or less confirmed town, or some of the more ambiguous people. You have a newer player, who was wishy washy on votes, followed people's leads, and "feigned ignorance" of game mechanics right at your fingers tips. Why wouldn't you go after him first?
The reason I said this could be smart town or smart mafia play, is that it makes sense from both perspectives. From VA town, I look like mistake riddled mafia; from VA mafia, I look like the perfect target to lynch. You might still think that i'm scum, but don't feign ignorance as if my defense makes no sense.
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Vote Count
Tubesock (8): Koshi, VayneAuthority, nooniansoong, GGTeMpLaR, scott31337, mderg, darthfoley, GigyaS
Darthfoley (3): Tubesock, slOosh, Eden1892
Not voted (0):
Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Wednesday, Jan 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
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I am a damn genius.
At like 4am or something I had said we needed to settle darthfoley Vayne and kush.
I woke up this morning and said to myself on the way to work, "Vayne and kush haven't done anything since the red check." This is important because I tend to forget everything in a game when I go to sleep. So just randomly connecting them twice has to mean something right?
I am convinced Tubesock is town. I don't know how much I care to argue it when I'm pretty sure most of the town won't pass on lynching the redcheck. But he is town. Of this I am certain.
I think the "best" lynches are probably in that Vayne/kush duo. Both of them are too experienced at this game to be doing literal nothing. I am selfish and want my pet case on darthfoley to see a lynch though. Plus I don't have time before EOD to make a case worth a shit.
You guys should not vote Tubesock because even though he's being derpy and making town cases on town people, he's still trying to get his views out there. I think his posts are genuine and although he got massively REKT by giygas claiming cop, his argument on giygas was pretty reasonable and seemed to come from town to me. He just isn't doing anything I expect scum to do here.
You guys should vote darth because he has this weird flip flop on Tubesock d1 that doesn't make sense and his reads aren't doing anything to help us solve the game. You look past what I consider a lazy easy lynch on Tubesock and he has the weird spammy drunken replacement poster, who's still trying, as his #2 lynch, and nothing really to say about the likely mafia pool of Vayne and kush. He's probs mafia with one of them and is my pick for scum today.
Don't lynch Tubesock when we got a framer, I know it's statistically "unlikely" that he's not mafia, but this game isn't poker. It's not a game of statistics, it's a game of informed reads, and Tubesock is town
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Koshi stop being dumb. It's pretty obvious that I decided that Tubesock was town from all of my posting before day 2. I'm allowed to change my mind as more evidence presents itself.
Are you tellin me that because at one point I was sure there had to be mafia between Tubesock and Giygas that I am forever beholden to think that, even if I tr one of them later and the other claims cop? Because that's fucking dumb as as shit. You bitch about bad posting but what the fuck are you even doing? Not questioning Vayne or kush who are for sure the real top suspects outside of darth (and I guess Tubesock with the red check).
Quit harassing me every time I check in. You are so goddamned tedious to play with.
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There's a difference between not posting and doing nothing, I always keep up with the thread, I simply have nothing to add until we see that flip. I'm a believer in smaller the thread the better for town as it will be more compact. You can easily see where I stand on the game if you read my filter in under 5 mins.
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darthfoley is...town
Bah. I'm kinda running out of time for what I want to do today.
There were about 3 things that I saw that showed that darthfoley wasn't reading the thread. Little mistakes. I want to say slOosh or GGtemplar pointed out one early game which darth got heat on. He also was like "tube has only done GiygaS all day and night" and I responded pretty immediately with a quote of one of my quotes showing him he was wrong. Eden saw the same thing. Then his waffle voting.
This shows town viewpoints. Scum generally has an excuse for everything they do. You can catch scum by 1 or 2 little things, but if you can make a case for miles and miles it means he's not caring about any inconsistencies. Which means he's not focused on survival, he's focused on solving and finding the mafia.
Just trust me on this AFTER I am lynched and you know nothing I have done is WIFOM and is pure of intention.
+ Show Spoiler [entrance tr Ray scum GGt] +On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote:
Hi guys, just got back from The Revenant; it's badass if you're into the genre. A little long at times but Leo + Tom Hardy is great.
Anyhow, excited to play some mafia. This is my first time playing on forums, although I have played a lot of irl mafia so a lot of stuff should transfer hopefully.
Reading through the past 5 pages, so far I am getting a town read from rayne, He seems very logical so far in his thinking of Giygas and sloosh. I agree that Templar's opening was kinda awkward and confusing, but as an inexperienced player I feel where you're coming from.
I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far
+ Show Spoiler [votes Koshi] +On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter. Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. The Noonian vote would make more sense if we'd already gone passed some time for a low poster to be identified, so yea his reads have to be more than simply activity. On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.
##Vote: Koshi
+ Show Spoiler [likes this Eden fellow] +On January 09 2016 16:58 darthfoley wrote:
I like this Eden fellow, so crisply formatted
+ Show Spoiler [nulls slOosh, towns GiygaS] +On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.
##Vote: Koshi What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you. Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of.
+ Show Spoiler [VA vote, null mderg, town Boxer ] +On January 10 2016 04:00 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 22:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.
##Vote: Koshi What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you. Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of. I feel like you contradict yourself in the two bold statements. You wonder why he won't back off Sloosh when he says he won't target active towns people. Then he backs off Sloosh to target inactive towns people. Yea I see what you're saying. It was contradictory, because he does end up following the outline that he posted early on. I'm rescinding my Koshi vote for now. I have spun myself in circles trying to read some of the active posters, so here's what I think on some of the less active people: VA- I filtered his posts and I found very little substance. + Show Spoiler +logic dictates that we are playing on setup 3, as that is the most common number chosen on a 4 way choice.
I am getting scum vibes already from Sloosh just gonna throw that out there
just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work
He's struggling to create a filter
most likely mafia
i suck at mafia but i have one of the best memories on this site. I remember playing mafia with sloosh. " he plays like oatsmaster" is so troll if he actually doesnt remember playing with me lol. Not like it was THAT long ago First, he blindly comments on how logic tells us we're playing on setup 3, with no actual logic. Maybe this is a joke I missed or something? Then, he gets the ball rolling on Sloosh, tells everyone he's bad at Mafia, ties him to another player some people (e.g. me) don't know, and peaces out. He's generated pages of discussion on someone without having to contribute to it at all. This is pretty scummy to me mderg- You conveniently missed my follow up post re GGTemplar and how I misread what he wrote. I thought he was talking about toning down day 1 accusations, not early read defending in the late game. I don't have a read on mderg but I'm surprised you missed a post that doesn't follow the narrative of me being scum boxerfred- I like the way he has posted. He's analyzing/questioning peoples' judgments on the Koshi town read. He hasn't just given town reads or scum reads, he included both which is most helpful for the town. ##Unvote: Koshi
##Vote: VayneAuthorityThat's all I have for now
+ Show Spoiler [scums me] +On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.
Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong
GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.
the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.
I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread. This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum
+ Show Spoiler [Votes me after GiygaS case, before my…] +On January 10 2016 12:35 darthfoley wrote:
##Unvote: VayneAuthority
##Vote: Tubesock
On January 10 2016 15:30 rsoultin wrote:Edited Vote Count Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley slOosh (1): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (4): mderg, Kmatt, Raynpelikoneet, slOosh, Tubesock, VayneAuthority
Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler [Likes Tube defense, unvotes] +On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote:
Good morning
I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now.
+ Show Spoiler [most suspicious of Giy/VA] +On January 11 2016 01:56 darthfoley wrote:
Right now I'm most suspicious of GiygaS or VA for a red D1 lynch, but I'd also like to hear the case on boxerfred
+ Show Spoiler [Votes VA again] +On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh
##Vote: VayneAuthority
+ Show Spoiler [votes Tube] +On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote:
I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town.
I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock.
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On January 11 2016 06:49 darthfoley wrote:
Rayne is saying that if Tubesock were indeed town, he would respond to my post or GiygaS by saying, "I see why you think this is scummy, but this is why i'm town"
instead, he defends himself by saying "I see why you think this is scummy, but it's actually scummy in other ways." This seems counter-intuitive for a town to argue On January 11 2016 07:00 darthfoley wrote:
##Vote: Tubesock Granted, they are 30 minutes apart, i'm treating them as 1 post for hopefully obvious reasons. On January 11 2016 06:25 Trfel wrote:Edited Unofficial Vote Count Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (2): Kmatt,
Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
Couple examples of him not reading.
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Forgot to delete the page break and last header.
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Eden, do you seriously think lynching Tubesock is a bad decision?
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On January 14 2016 03:50 Eden1892 wrote:
Koshi stop being dumb. It's pretty obvious that I decided that Tubesock was town from all of my posting before day 2. I'm allowed to change my mind as more evidence presents itself.
Are you tellin me that because at one point I was sure there had to be mafia between Tubesock and Giygas that I am forever beholden to think that, even if I tr one of them later and the other claims cop? Because that's fucking dumb as as shit. You bitch about bad posting but what the fuck are you even doing? Not questioning Vayne or kush who are for sure the real top suspects outside of darth (and I guess Tubesock with the red check).
Quit harassing me every time I check in. You are so goddamned tedious to play with.
He's fake raging too.
There is no reason he should be mad.
Town lynched mafia day 1. And according to him we have a lock scum with a redcheck. He should be ecstatic. Further he complains about D2 being wasted. We've had 15 or so pages of content still with 4 hours to lynch. And no disagreement on who to lynch really. Why is there more than 2 pages? When I've seen redchecks it ENDS the day. Like essentially literally there would be like 8 posts maybe.
Most everyone knows that Boxerfred is super lurker as either alignments. It's not a leap at all that Koshi saw him as a partner and was like "hey, I might bus you d1 so I get confirmed". With that he can breadcrumb suspicion.
he didn't leave my wagon until 30 minutes before lynch and AFTER Rayn left me. If Rayn stayed and I died, Koshi could say that "well Rayn is a great player and was on him too!" That's a viable excuse to be wrong on me. But only if Rayn stayed. Rayn left, and Koshi saw 2 already on Boxerfred so it was kind of a viable lynch. And then bam, he's confirmed.
Plus, this anger about Eden. It's super clear that he was thinking I was town in the night. He thought GiygaS was more likely scum. GiygaS claims and Eden's second post after is "yeah I believe this". It was done in less than 10 minutes, and before anyone else and consistent with his read on me. How is that weird?
Koshi thinks I'm lock scum even without the redcheck. So, why is he mad when town lynched red D1 and I'm overwhelmingly the wagon? He also trying to sell the fact I did a case on named town (the only thing he did was town case a confirmed) yet when he said that there were already 2 other cases finished after.
I know none of you understand what I'm doing. But you will. Maybe not agree with it, but you will understand and it will be clear. I'm just not finished.
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I'm pretty happy with where we are. You will see if I mean that as town or mafia at the Night 2 post.
We killed mafia D1, and we have like 6 people who are essentially confirmed. (5 because I don't think Koshi should be considered anymore, but I feel strongly about darthfoley's innocence.)
If I were mafia, I would be uncomfortable as fuck. Wouldn't you?
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Why save Tube over Boxerfred?
Even without the redcheck, I was very much on the lynch table. He can have both untoucheable towncred and his mlynch. There is no world where Boxerfred lives very long.
With Rayn still on my wagon, Koshi has every excuse to explain any heat he gains away. If rayn bails, then most likely will have to answer.
I will never believe this isn't within his scum range.
I think town can keep him alive till m/lylo but if he's alive then you must lynch him. If he's town, then mafia will have to kill him at some point as he is a very real threat to solving the game.
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Your theory on koshi feels pretty similar to your case against rayn. I think it's pretty unlikely that koshi is scum but with some crazy narrative there's an off chance that he is scum.
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On January 14 2016 04:42 mderg wrote:
Your theory on koshi feels pretty similar to your case against rayn. I think it's pretty unlikely that koshi is scum but with some crazy narrative there's an off chance that he is scum.
Yup.
Do you think town is in a good or bad position right now?
Do you think Koshi's frustration is justified?
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On January 14 2016 04:44 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 04:42 mderg wrote:
Your theory on koshi feels pretty similar to your case against rayn. I think it's pretty unlikely that koshi is scum but with some crazy narrative there's an off chance that he is scum. Yup. Do you think town is in a good or bad position right now? Do you think Koshi's frustration is justified?
I'd say town is in a good position right now.
I think some frustration is justified but not quite to this extent.
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On January 14 2016 04:07 mderg wrote:
Eden, do you seriously think lynching Tubesock is a bad decision?
Yeah. It's a perfectly logical, reasonable decision that's also the wrong decision to make. I fully understand what people are doing lynching him, but he just seems so town to me.
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On January 14 2016 04:51 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 04:07 mderg wrote:
Eden, do you seriously think lynching Tubesock is a bad decision? Yeah. It's a perfectly logical, reasonable decision that's also the wrong decision to make. I fully understand what people are doing lynching him, but he just seems so town to me.
I agree with the point that compared to an average game it's pretty likely that he has been framed. That being said I won't be able to trust anything he's said unless he flips green.
Also what he's doing right now is pretty much how I would try to save my ass, if I was scum in his position.
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Jesus fucking don't lynch this guy.
I'll take Vayne or kush even. But this Tubesock guy is working so damn hard and if he's mafia there's no point. We would just ignore literal everything he said.
Like come on guys. There's a fuckin Framer in the game confirmed. Would ANY of you lynch him outside of the redcheck? Because if not the. The redcheck should mean NOTHING to you.
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I'm only goign to be here another 20 minutes or so and then I'm going to play some hockey so won't see anyone till postgame or obs chat.
I think town needs to kill redchecks. The only exception is if you 100% believe it's fake/wrong. I will always be a cloud of confusion for town while I live. I do not want mafia to use that. I want to win.
I did those cases for a few reasons. It's like a will and testament people who think they are dying at night. Hopefully, it's completely transparent and there isn't any question as to what I thought albeit weird. It's also in a way my fighting without conflicting with my honest belief that redchecks should die. I'm trying to leave town in a better position than if I just quit.
I also wanted some case building/writing practice. As it's obvious with how my GiygaS case and interactions went. I had to keep pushing it because I didn't think anyone understood my actual point. So, I need to learn to be more clear.
I already answered why I cased slOosh mostly. But another reason is I was planning on having one for essentially everyone. It's kind of like those players who post their spreadsheets for the thread. Maybe make something that you can go back to like a filter but it filters out useless posts or something. I did not like Koshi repeatedly saying that we shouldn't confirm slOosh because of VCA. Later I was thinking that maybe a clever and desparate mafia might counter claim or something. It was also a different kind of experiment.
I also wanted to wait for the posters that I think would provide more content so the case stays more relevant or valid. there is no reason to think that slOosh is going to do something in the next day that will change my read. But Scott, VA or darthfoley might. Noon I didn't think would do a lot anyway, it's just not the type of player he is known for.
I just voted Nooniansoong. Mostly symbolic. I think I should be the lynch. Tomorrow have the wagon be Noon and Scott. Then figure out VA the next day. See what Koshi really does and if it didn't help town then he's mafia.
to me locked town in order:
GiygaS, slOosh
Eden, GGtemplar
mderg
darth
ciao
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