On January 14 2016 07:15 mderg wrote: I honestly don't think your town case on him is more convincing than the red check. It basically comes down to him being active and giving reads.
Why would he do that as a caught scum? It's a gigantic waste of his time if he's scum. It's clearly not self-preservation because he keeps telling us to kill him.
Are you telling me you're unconvinced that someone who is active and giving involved reads is town? And that that's a bad town case?
And that with a known framer in the format, a red check is enough to convince you?
Why do you think the mafia didn't frame Tubesock innocent?
There are two mafia, there's probably that he's goon and framer framed himself.
On January 14 2016 06:50 Eden1892 wrote: GGTemplar, mderg, scott, Giygas: Why are you voting for Tubesock? What do you have to say about my town case on Tubesock?
slOosh: Why are you voting for darthfoley? Would you be comfortable voting for another person out of the darth/kush/Vayne pool?
Because I red checked him after being suspicious of him for a large portion of the game already, and I doubt that farmer targetted him. I honestly haven't done enough work to be comfortable with any other lynch today.
Why do you doubt the framer targeted him, and why do you think the mafia wouldn't frame him innocent last night?
And does him tryharding all over the thread today with cases on everybody not change your view?
And trust me, I sympathize with being behind and having trouble finding a good non-Tubesock lynch. I've got a pool of 3 and I'm not super confident in any of them, but I am confident Tubesock is town and all three of them are much more likely to flip scum than he is.
On January 14 2016 07:15 mderg wrote: I honestly don't think your town case on him is more convincing than the red check. It basically comes down to him being active and giving reads.
Why would he do that as a caught scum? It's a gigantic waste of his time if he's scum. It's clearly not self-preservation because he keeps telling us to kill him.
Are you telling me you're unconvinced that someone who is active and giving involved reads is town? And that that's a bad town case?
And that with a known framer in the format, a red check is enough to convince you?
Why do you think the mafia didn't frame Tubesock innocent?
There are two mafia, there's probably that he's goon and framer framed himself.
If that's so then the framer must have been more suspicious than Tubesock. (after all you assume otherwise that the mafia framed the guy less likely to be copchecked -- not a reasonable assumption)
Who would that be? Who was more suspicious than Tubesock last night?
On January 14 2016 07:15 mderg wrote: I honestly don't think your town case on him is more convincing than the red check. It basically comes down to him being active and giving reads.
Why would he do that as a caught scum? It's a gigantic waste of his time if he's scum. It's clearly not self-preservation because he keeps telling us to kill him.
Are you telling me you're unconvinced that someone who is active and giving involved reads is town? And that that's a bad town case?
And that with a known framer in the format, a red check is enough to convince you?
Why do you think the mafia didn't frame Tubesock innocent?
First point is wifom
His "towniness" pretty much started with the red check. D1 I would have lynched him over lots of people and his biggest contribution was the case on Giygas. Then he made a case on rayn. While that's not the most scummy play I've seen it's also not showing insane towniness After the redcheck he locked much better, that's true but there's still a good chance he wasn't framed.
There were a few others who would have been sensible cop checks.
On January 14 2016 06:44 VayneAuthority wrote: So we don't lynch tubesock and let's say we lynch me or darthfoley or kush or w/e and they flip green, and now you by proxy look terrible scummy along with tubesock, eden.
Is that really the state of the game you want? I can't imagine so if you are town, that is a terrible place to leave town in.
It doesnt solve the redcheck and simultaneously spreads the lynch pool to be even more convoluted
I don't give a damn how it "looks."
The red check is already solved in my mind. I am town and will be more than capable of proving it all game long. Why would I care about either of these things?
I want not to lynch Tubesock today. Tubesock is going to flip town. I am sure of it. If not lynching him, and lynching one of my suspects, is what happens instead, I will be more than happy with that game state, even if the actual lynch is incorrect.
I don't get the point of this post Vayne. Why would I care how anything looks? I would lynch a suspect and save one of my top town reads from being lynched. That's what matters.
I am trying to gauge what you are doing, the obscene odds on a framer/cop hitting the same person are quite low. My true intention was to see whether you are trying to pull some sort of powerplay as mafia when tubesock flips town, using "I told you so" methods, because that is all I am really getting out of you atm.
What does that even mean? How is that "WIFOM"? It's a fact that if he flips scum, no one is taking any heed to anything he said in the thread. It's also a fact that self-preservation isn't what's going on since he's literally telling us we should kill him as he says all this. Neither of those scum motivations (confusing the thread and self-preservation) make sense.
Why can't you explain why scum would do what he's doing? Is it that hard? Maybe there's a reason it's so difficult to figure out why scum would do this? Like him not being scum??
How were his cases on Giygas or ray scummy? You're basically just saying that his D1 was a wash by saying "it's not the scummiest thing but it's not insanely towny." So it's not obviously town or obviously scum. Insightful.
And sure, there's a "good chance" he wasn't framed, I guess. Whatever that even means. It's so inexact that I'm not sure there's an actual idea being conveyed behind it, but there's a "good chance" I guess.
And who are those few others, then? If they were more sensible cop checks and you think the mafia framed them instead why aren't you trying to lynch them?
On January 14 2016 06:44 VayneAuthority wrote: So we don't lynch tubesock and let's say we lynch me or darthfoley or kush or w/e and they flip green, and now you by proxy look terrible scummy along with tubesock, eden.
Is that really the state of the game you want? I can't imagine so if you are town, that is a terrible place to leave town in.
It doesnt solve the redcheck and simultaneously spreads the lynch pool to be even more convoluted
I don't give a damn how it "looks."
The red check is already solved in my mind. I am town and will be more than capable of proving it all game long. Why would I care about either of these things?
I want not to lynch Tubesock today. Tubesock is going to flip town. I am sure of it. If not lynching him, and lynching one of my suspects, is what happens instead, I will be more than happy with that game state, even if the actual lynch is incorrect.
I don't get the point of this post Vayne. Why would I care how anything looks? I would lynch a suspect and save one of my top town reads from being lynched. That's what matters.
I am trying to gauge what you are doing, the obscene odds on a framer/cop hitting the same person are quite low. My true intention was to see whether you are trying to pull some sort of powerplay as mafia when tubesock flips town, using "I told you so" methods, because that is all I am really getting out of you atm.
I am trying to save my town read and lynch someone I actually suspect.
Really not sure why you announced pre-flip what you suspect I would do as mafia post-flip if I'm right, but I'm not the type of person to lord stupid shit over people. I'll probably bitch a bit at all of you for not seeing what seems obvious to me and I'll very likely go grumble in a corner and declare that I'm not going to do anything until day 3, and then get bored of being mad and come back and reread the thread and do stuff.
Alternatively if I'm wrong I'm still going to grumble in a corner and declare that I'm not going to do anything, but then do something later on anyway.
On January 14 2016 07:39 Eden1892 wrote: What does that even mean? How is that "WIFOM"? It's a fact that if he flips scum, no one is taking any heed to anything he said in the thread. It's also a fact that self-preservation isn't what's going on since he's literally telling us we should kill him as he says all this. Neither of those scum motivations (confusing the thread and self-preservation) make sense.
Why can't you explain why scum would do what he's doing? Is it that hard? Maybe there's a reason it's so difficult to figure out why scum would do this? Like him not being scum??
How were his cases on Giygas or ray scummy? You're basically just saying that his D1 was a wash by saying "it's not the scummiest thing but it's not insanely towny." So it's not obviously town or obviously scum. Insightful.
And sure, there's a "good chance" he wasn't framed, I guess. Whatever that even means. It's so inexact that I'm not sure there's an actual idea being conveyed behind it, but there's a "good chance" I guess.
And who are those few others, then? If they were more sensible cop checks and you think the mafia framed them instead why aren't you trying to lynch them?
the self-preservation thing is wifom.
Why would scum do that? self-preservation.
Not obviously town and not obviously scum. It almost takes a fucking genius to understand that's how I think his D1 was.
I never said anything about more sensible cop checks. I said other sensible cop checks. And why would I vote them just because they're sensible cop checks? Do you think noon, scott, darth, VA were not sensible cop checks?
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