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On January 14 2016 04:44 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 04:42 mderg wrote:
Your theory on koshi feels pretty similar to your case against rayn. I think it's pretty unlikely that koshi is scum but with some crazy narrative there's an off chance that he is scum. Yup. Do you think town is in a good or bad position right now? Do you think Koshi's frustration is justified?
I hope you look at his frustration post and see if those points jive with what is really going on.
He scums me pretty hard. Why does he really care if there is an early red check? Oh because the standard answer "you claim redcheck LATE so it doesn't shut down the thread!" So, YOU decide if this thread was shut down. It sure doesn't look like it to me.
He says I literally only towncased a confirmed. You think that's true? Would you be frustrated if a redcheck, and a highly likely scum did weird shit that made him look MORE scummy? What the fuck? Really?
Get my point?
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On January 10 2016 01:23 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 01:12 Koshi wrote:
Ok only on page 11. I see even more people are voting me. I like it.
One of the things that I will not do 100% this game is call people names or capslock. I'll take the lynch with gratitude. If it happens. I would be surprised. Pleasantly even. But that's how i know you're town...
People should think about this post.
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On January 14 2016 05:13 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 01:23 nooniansoong wrote:On January 10 2016 01:12 Koshi wrote:
Ok only on page 11. I see even more people are voting me. I like it.
One of the things that I will not do 100% this game is call people names or capslock. I'll take the lynch with gratitude. If it happens. I would be surprised. Pleasantly even. But that's how i know you're town... People should think about this post.
Can you elaborate on that?
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Fuck that Tube. You say you'll be "a cloud of confusion" as long as you're alive, but what about players like me? It's far from impossible to clear up that cloud without you being lynched.
You want to lynch kush? Lets fucking go!
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On January 14 2016 03:36 Eden1892 wrote:
I think the "best" lynches are probably in that Vayne/kush duo. Both of them are too experienced at this game to be doing literal nothing. I am selfish and want my pet case on darthfoley to see a lynch though. Plus I don't have time before EOD to make a case worth a shit.
Stopped reading here. Are you serious?
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Going to ignore Tubesock till he is dead. So bad. Incredible.
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So 2 people think I am mafia over Eden.
That is special. Really special.
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My case for Tubesock is straightforward, simple, but still powerful, I believe.
Why does he ever do this work on D2 as caught scum?
The answer is NOT to confuse the town. This town is smart enough to ignore everything he says after the redcheck if he flips scum. We would know it is all WIFOM bullshit and all of his work would be a waste of his own time.
The answer is NOT to save himself. Notice that he not only makes no appeals to setup, when it is known there is a framer and he could plausibly make that appeal -- no, not only does he not do that, he also actively asks town to kill him! And with the votes piling up, you would expect him not to use that tactic, since it's clearly not working.
Unless you submit that he's just trolling the game or bad at mafia (which is VERY weak -- NEVER underestimate your opponent when there is a better explanation), then there is no explanation for his behavior as caught scum.
The explanation on the town side is obvious. He knows he's innocent, but he's no fool. He doesn't believe he can argue his way out of a redcheck, and he knows his team can afford the ML. So, he instead focuses all his energy on productive casework that we can use after he flips green. It's a totally reasonable and savvy town move.
Based on that alone I am more than comfortable town reading him, I am stumping for him and will continue to defend him until the flip or until we lynch someone else.
"He got red checked" is not good enough when a framer is in the format given how much more likely than normal it is that he would be framed, REGARDLESS OF HIS ALIGNMENT! Earlier I posited that it is unlikely that the mafia would NOT frame Tubesock innocent. Who else would they frame? Who else was scum and under fire yesterday?
If your only reason for lynchingthis man is the red check then you MUST reconsider! Think about it! What else has he done that's suspicious?
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Vote Count
Tubesock (8): Koshi, VayneAuthority, nooniansoong, GGTeMpLaR, scott31337, mderg, darthfoley, GigyaS
nooniansoong (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
Darthfoley (1): slOosh
Not voted (0):
Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Wednesday, Jan 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
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So we don't lynch tubesock and let's say we lynch me or darthfoley or kush or w/e and they flip green, and now you by proxy look terrible scummy along with tubesock, eden.
Is that really the state of the game you want? I can't imagine so if you are town, that is a terrible place to leave town in.
It doesnt solve the redcheck and simultaneously spreads the lynch pool to be even more convoluted
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On January 14 2016 06:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
So we don't lynch tubesock and let's say we lynch me or darthfoley or kush or w/e and they flip green, and now you by proxy look terrible scummy along with tubesock, eden.
Is that really the state of the game you want? I can't imagine so if you are town, that is a terrible place to leave town in.
It doesnt solve the redcheck and simultaneously spreads the lynch pool to be even more convoluted
I don't give a damn how it "looks."
The red check is already solved in my mind. I am town and will be more than capable of proving it all game long. Why would I care about either of these things?
I want not to lynch Tubesock today. Tubesock is going to flip town. I am sure of it. If not lynching him, and lynching one of my suspects, is what happens instead, I will be more than happy with that game state, even if the actual lynch is incorrect.
I don't get the point of this post Vayne. Why would I care how anything looks? I would lynch a suspect and save one of my top town reads from being lynched. That's what matters.
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GGTemplar, mderg, scott, Giygas: Why are you voting for Tubesock? What do you have to say about my town case on Tubesock?
slOosh: Why are you voting for darthfoley? Would you be comfortable voting for another person out of the darth/kush/Vayne pool?
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If nobody answers ^^^ and nothing changes and he flips town I'm 100% going to afk until day 3 and take a break. I can't figure shit out this game, I finally get pretty sure on something and nobody's around to discuss it.
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I honestly don't think your town case on him is more convincing than the red check. It basically comes down to him being active and giving reads.
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On January 14 2016 07:15 mderg wrote:
I honestly don't think your town case on him is more convincing than the red check. It basically comes down to him being active and giving reads.
Why would he do that as a caught scum? It's a gigantic waste of his time if he's scum. It's clearly not self-preservation because he keeps telling us to kill him.
Are you telling me you're unconvinced that someone who is active and giving involved reads is town? And that that's a bad town case?
And that with a known framer in the format, a red check is enough to convince you?
Why do you think the mafia didn't frame Tubesock innocent?
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On January 14 2016 07:11 Koshi wrote:
switch to kush ffs
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On January 14 2016 07:22 Koshi wrote:
rips one lucky topdeck day 1 and thinks he's the king.
christ, man. where are your reads even at if Tubesock flips town?
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On January 14 2016 06:50 Eden1892 wrote:
GGTemplar, mderg, scott, Giygas: Why are you voting for Tubesock? What do you have to say about my town case on Tubesock?
slOosh: Why are you voting for darthfoley? Would you be comfortable voting for another person out of the darth/kush/Vayne pool?
Because I red checked him after being suspicious of him for a large portion of the game already, and I doubt that farmer targetted him. I honestly haven't done enough work to be comfortable with any other lynch today.
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