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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 00:46 GMT
#1101
Looking at Eden his posts they are beyond trash. If I would lynch anybody except Tubesock it is Eden.

He has the shitiest filter and he really shouldnt.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 00:49 GMT
#1102
That's what you get when you ruin a day by spoiling a redcheck when there is a framer in the game and there is no fucking chance you would ever die, so no more checks after this.... People like Eden get a free pass into the next cycle.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 00:49 GMT
#1103
Really annoying stuff boys. But Eden is far from town. far from. Remember it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 00:50 GMT
#1104
On January 11 2016 08:53 Eden1892 wrote:
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred

Not voted (1): Kmatt


GGTemplar, Sloosh, Koshi and mderg are for sure town.

Ray is also town. He had plenty of opportunities to drive one of the Tubesock/Giygas wagons home if he wanted to save boxerfred -- from the strict standpoint of saving mafia, his line was very inefficient -- and he would have also been okay bussing boxerfred if he felt boxerfred couldn't be saved.

Scott jumping in immediately with some knowledge bombs after replacing in doesn't mean anything. Dude probably had these notes all day from observing the game and updated them once he dropped in. If his activity keeps up then I'm not lynching him, but it's important not to give a pass just yet.

Really just do not give a fuck about VA or kush right now. ray is going to make me give a fuck before the night's over, and I'm fine with that. Will look into these guys next chance I get.

Still think there's probably one mafia between Tubesock and GiygaS, and that zero is only marginally more likely than two (which just isn't happening).

Aaaand that leaves darthfoley who I remember being ok.

Think my priority is:
(1) figure out how I feel about VA and Kush
(2) figure out this GiygaS/Tubesock thing
**(3) paranoid lynch ray way down the line because he's the only player here good enough as scum for me to totally whiff on.

(** 3 may not apply and I plan for it not to)

Then a redcheck happens by giygas and guess what? TUBESOCK WAS FRAMED BOYS.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 00:53 GMT
#1105
Read some filters before you make wall of texts that make 0 fucking sense. And don't type 3 sentences about every person. Type around 150 about 1 person. Do something fucking useful.

How the fuck is Eden (who is the N1 kill in many recent games apparently) suddenly the shittiest player in this game? Because let's be honest. That pressure on Giygas D1 was fucking HORRIBLE. That was so fucking bad I townread Giygas 1584654361 times harder.

And then he claims there is mafia between tubesock and giygas.

-5 seconds later-

Giygas claims a redcheck on Tubesock and what is Eden his reaction?? TUBESOCK PRETTY MUCH 100% FRAMED BOIS
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 00:54 GMT
#1106
Fucking Eden should be killed tbh.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 00:54 GMT
#1107
Wanted to give this some time and see what he did. But it is a fucking joke.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 00:56 GMT
#1108
Tubesock is going down today. If he flips town the cop we outplayed by mafia and towncop played horrible. If he flips mafia we will see. Pretty sure game is close to solved. Just need to lynch Eden or VA probably.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 00:56 GMT
#1109
Also Eden using rayn his nightkill to frame Kush in his reads.

So freaking pathetic.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 01:02 GMT
#1110
Fucking waste of a day.

- redcheck we can't trust and are forced to lynch
- a person getting lynched making cases on confirmed town by setup. Literally not doing anything else.
- some guy rehearsing things that happened. If nothing happened around a person he calls them town, if a person lynches mafia and is almost impossible mafia he calls them, wait for it, mafia. of course.
- VA, who is awesome but untrustable.
- Scott
- Some guy who can't read the OP, and probably will get misslynched.
- Top tier player who is trash
- Mderg who is lost somewhere, I am not sure if I should alert the cops.


Brilliant. At least we had D1.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 01:15 GMT
#1111
Riddle me this, who is mafia out of those 2

[image loading]

there is 1 guy who people thinks is a good player who has solely attacked (now) confirmed townies during the entire entity of D1 and only came back at the very end of the day to defend a mafia and suggest to lynch between giygas and Tubesock.
On January 11 2016 07:55 Eden1892 wrote:
Lynching boxerfred for being not useful feels like a massive cop out. But I'm too far behind to have a useful alternative so I'm not gonna object (and promise not to complain too much if he flips town, it's as much my fault as anyone else's).

I'd rather one of giygas or tube sock though. Pref giygas

who then during the night was completely useless but made a testament AGAIN saying there is mafia between giygas and tubesock, for reasoning he found during D1.

who then during the start of D2 when it became clear giygas was cop and got a redcheck on Tubesock, said that tubesock was very likely framed. But waffled on it a bit and waited and waited and waited and then just followed suit and voted Tubesock reluctantly because you know, "poker reasons"






Or the other guy who has been solving the game, lynched mafia, been attacked by mafia, been involved in everything, has the highest filter in the game, is generally townread, voted for the redcheck D1, and has really not made a single mafialike post in the entire game.



Who is the mafia guys? Who could it be?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 01:16 GMT
#1112
darthfoley is thinking about the second guy. He looks really bad I agree.
I had a good night of sleep.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 13 2016 01:24 GMT
#1113
On January 13 2016 07:54 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 11:50 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 12 2016 08:58 darthfoley wrote:
On January 12 2016 07:48 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 12 2016 07:22 darthfoley wrote:
On January 12 2016 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Updated thoughts from everybody's favorite townie.


I think Tubesock is town. I am not sure if GiygaS is town or mafia. Very willing to entertain that the argument was between two townies, am 100% sure it wasn't two mafia. If this isn't obvious to anyone at this point, I can elaborate, but I think Tubesock's posting throughout this phase speaks for itself. He had a mediocre/bad start, but that doesn't mean very much, and his recovery has me sold.


+ Show Spoiler [For Eden] +
Don't bother reading this, I was gonna do this but then I saw the stuff about darthfoley and found more interesting stuff to talk about. Typing all this with html tags was a bitch so I'm keeping this here for later.

Following from that, some vote count analysis. I'm filling in my reads as green and flipped boxerfred as red. I will keep my reads limited to the ones I think are uncontroversial so as to limit the number of leaps needed to accept my premises.



Vote Count (16.5 hours)

Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
Koshi (1): boxerfred
GiygaS (1): Tubesock


(9.5 hours)
Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
boxerfred (1): GGTeMpLaR
nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet


(1.5 hours)
Unofficial Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(1 hour)
Official Vote Count

Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(Final)
Final Vote Count

boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred



On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote:
Good morning

I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now.


On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh

##Vote: VayneAuthority


On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote:
I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town.

I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock.

##Unvote


darthfoley: What changed in between these posts for you? You retracted your vote on Tubesock about 6.5 hours before the lynch, saying that you were satisfied with Tubesock's defense of himself. You even felt that your argument on Vayne was better for the matter, since it didn't try to resolve a confusing situation between GiygaS and Tubesock.

But then just a few hours later, you say that because Vayne is "consistently not substantive as town" on D1, you're back to voting Tubesock? Even though you were satisfied with his defense?


What changed is that I went back and looked at Tubesock vs. GiygaS again. As GiygaS pointed out, Tubesock had basically only provided one read of substance (exluding posts like, "I like darth because his posts feel towny") the entire day: GiygaS. I also realized that his case of GiygaS regarding "our reads are the same but he says it's weird" is actually quite easily explained... because my original post that GiygaS quoted explained his reasoning in full.


So you reread Tubesock's posts, after your unvote, and found that Tubesock had only given one read all day?

That's odd. How much reading did you really do? Because before you even unvoted, Tubesock had plenty to say about other people in the game:

On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote:
On January 11 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote:
VA, Boxerfred, Sloosh need to be lynched if Tubesock isnt' happening.

Kush is a terrible lynch.
Giygas is just not mafia.

Tubesock is fucking hard to read.


I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though.

Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon.

I don't know how to help you with a meta read, but if you have some other questions I'm around because apparently I'm not sleeping for awhile.


On January 11 2016 01:56 darthfoley wrote:
Right now I'm most suspicious of GiygaS or VA for a red D1 lynch, but I'd also like to hear the case on boxerfred


I also question that you went back and reread the initial case Tubesock gave, as if you had, you would have noticed that GiygaS did not quote you in his original post. Tubesock filled in the posts from you to explain his case.

Would you care to resolve these discrepancies?


I said he only posted one read of substance. Regarding the reads you quoted, I explained at the time that it didn't make sense to consider Noon more towny than Rayne at that point in the game. I think being "onboard" for boxerfred or Kmatt is pretty safe at that point in the voting process, especially because at this time it was 4 to 3 for Tubesock vs. Boxerfred. Would've been tied 4/4 if he changed from GiygaS to Boxerfred. Boxerfred hadn't been very active and you would get lots of town cred if you supported a correct lynch day 1. I mean we've already confirmed town everyone who voted for Boxerfred, so losing an inactive mafia isn't the end of the world if it basically makes you an unlynchable for a while.

However, people then jumped off the Tubesock wagon and he didn't need to do this, while still getting towncred for being "okay" with a boxerfred lynch and consistency for sticking with GiygaS.

GiygaS didn't directly quote me, but he basically did "not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't"




That's great and all, but at the end of the day, you're not explaining why it is that Tubesock's posting, which was essentially unchanged between your unvote and your subsequent vote, no longer was townie enough for you. You've just gone in after being called on it and basically said some things that, if true, were already true of Tubesock before you unvoted.

Like if you felt his reads weren't substantive enough, that's fine, but you either decided that they were substantive enough when you unvoted him (as that was the reason you voted him initially), or you unvoted him despite them not being substantive enough. Either way there's a glaring discrepancy that your explanation fails to satisfy.


At the time I unvoted I did believe Tubesock's defense against GiygaS. However, as the day progressed I realized how easy I am to manipulate because most arguments seem more credible to me than they really are. I started to get this feeling because Rayne kept grilling Tubesock over it regarding details I hadn't thought of. I then voted on VA because I was suspicious of his inactivity and thought it was a safe bet. But because I trusted Rayne the most, I took his advice and looked through his D1 posts from other games. I saw his point and decided that I wouldn't vote VA EoD1, leaving me to either go back to Tubesock, or randomly vote for people I didn't have strong suspicions of: GiygaS, Boxerfred, slOosh or Koshi. I didn't find any of those people more suspicious than Tubesock, so I voted Tubesock. Even though Tubesock had 3 votes when I got back on the wagon, votes were spread thinly so I didn't want to screw up with some shot in the dark against someone else.

I'm gonna need a little more than "I'm easily manipulated" to explain your sudden dissatisfaction with Tubesock's defense. As someone who has the same issue of being easily swayed by credible-sounding arguments, I still don't flip for no reason. The reason may not even be GOOD, but there's a reason for the flip.

You haven't actually given me that reason.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 13 2016 01:27 GMT
#1114
Can darthfoley and Tubesock both be town?

I know they are never the scum team. So if they can't both be town then lynching either one is equally fine from an information standpoint.

Then I don't feel like a donkey for voting darthfoley instead of the copcheck.

I just have trouble with the concept of darthfoley being town, which makes it hard to answer the "can they both be town" question.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 13 2016 01:33 GMT
#1115
On January 13 2016 10:15 Koshi wrote:
Riddle me this, who is mafia out of those 2

[image loading]

there is 1 guy who people thinks is a good player who has solely attacked (now) confirmed townies during the entire entity of D1 and only came back at the very end of the day to defend a mafia and suggest to lynch between giygas and Tubesock.
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 07:55 Eden1892 wrote:
Lynching boxerfred for being not useful feels like a massive cop out. But I'm too far behind to have a useful alternative so I'm not gonna object (and promise not to complain too much if he flips town, it's as much my fault as anyone else's).

I'd rather one of giygas or tube sock though. Pref giygas

who then during the night was completely useless but made a testament AGAIN saying there is mafia between giygas and tubesock, for reasoning he found during D1.

who then during the start of D2 when it became clear giygas was cop and got a redcheck on Tubesock, said that tubesock was very likely framed. But waffled on it a bit and waited and waited and waited and then just followed suit and voted Tubesock reluctantly because you know, "poker reasons"






Or the other guy who has been solving the game, lynched mafia, been attacked by mafia, been involved in everything, has the highest filter in the game, is generally townread, voted for the redcheck D1, and has really not made a single mafialike post in the entire game.



Who is the mafia guys? Who could it be?

Well, there are multiple issues with your descriptions, like the part where I'm actually good, or have a reputation built off of anything besides being a loudmouth that talked way too highly of himself.

But mainly I wonder who you mean by #2. There's multiple people who have played better than me, like everyone who lynched mafia day 1.

If you're talking about yourself then you're clearly town and I have no clue what this crybaby tantrum is about because you're never being lynched.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 13 2016 01:47 GMT
#1116
This was of a day is all my fault fuckfuckfuck
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 13 2016 01:47 GMT
#1117
*waste
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 13 2016 01:50 GMT
#1118
Eden can you explain why you thought I was lying initially?
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 01:54 GMT
#1119
Not true. You could have done way more with your role. Just remember for next time. Imagine if you make a really good case on tubesock instead of calling the redcheck. You might just get so much information with who attacks you etc etc.

But today is on the players themselves. People are too lackluster while there is so much info in the thread.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 13 2016 01:56 GMT
#1120
On January 13 2016 10:33 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 10:15 Koshi wrote:
Riddle me this, who is mafia out of those 2

[image loading]

there is 1 guy who people thinks is a good player who has solely attacked (now) confirmed townies during the entire entity of D1 and only came back at the very end of the day to defend a mafia and suggest to lynch between giygas and Tubesock.
On January 11 2016 07:55 Eden1892 wrote:
Lynching boxerfred for being not useful feels like a massive cop out. But I'm too far behind to have a useful alternative so I'm not gonna object (and promise not to complain too much if he flips town, it's as much my fault as anyone else's).

I'd rather one of giygas or tube sock though. Pref giygas

who then during the night was completely useless but made a testament AGAIN saying there is mafia between giygas and tubesock, for reasoning he found during D1.

who then during the start of D2 when it became clear giygas was cop and got a redcheck on Tubesock, said that tubesock was very likely framed. But waffled on it a bit and waited and waited and waited and then just followed suit and voted Tubesock reluctantly because you know, "poker reasons"






Or the other guy who has been solving the game, lynched mafia, been attacked by mafia, been involved in everything, has the highest filter in the game, is generally townread, voted for the redcheck D1, and has really not made a single mafialike post in the entire game.



Who is the mafia guys? Who could it be?

Well, there are multiple issues with your descriptions, like the part where I'm actually good, or have a reputation built off of anything besides being a loudmouth that talked way too highly of himself.

But mainly I wonder who you mean by #2. There's multiple people who have played better than me, like everyone who lynched mafia day 1.

If you're talking about yourself then you're clearly town and I have no clue what this crybaby tantrum is about because you're never being lynched.

It was provoked by a guy who called you lock town and me possible mafia. Same guy who made a wall of text but said nothing new, rehearsed dumb shit and was recently called town by you for it.

Anyway. I need sleep.
I had a good night of sleep.
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