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On December 27 2015 04:01 Damdred wrote: Nm be my bro since town bro disf decided he didn't want to play with me i have been replaced | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I thought you were a true American patriot. This is highly disappointing  once upon a time i ate cheese on everything, gave 0 fucks about fuel efficiency, and told people in italy that they didn't know how to make pizza.....then i married a japanese girl and had a kid. lesson here: beware of women they eat your soul and steal your comfortable clothes. | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm... not sure I can process this kind of change just watch some tentacle pr0n, it'll help | ||
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CUZ SOME1 SAID THAT THEY ARE OCCUPYING THE SAME SPACE AND MAYBE USING THE SAME DEVICE AND MAYBE SHARING SALIVA SO THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW EACHOTHERS ROLES AND TOTALLY USE EACHOTHERS LOGINS AND HAX HAX HAX HAX OGI OGI OGI OGI OMFG REROLL SO MUCH CHEATZ | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Unfortunately we're a continent apart again just in time for christmas, how romantic. | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:21 N e s s wrote: Yes, glowing bear you haven't played any games with me before, so i'm just going to assume you're town right now. But you jumping to me as mafia for asking questions...? Tell me, why do you think i'm mafia in a logical manner. cuz you asked useless personal questions most of which can be answered by looking @ the DB that don't lead to mafia in any obvious way. tho town GB mostly just calls you dumb or worthless there instead of mafia, so GB might be mafia; juzzayin. | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:26 N e s s wrote: Mafia experience? Thats not a personal question. It shows how experienced someone is. Thats why i asked it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database you can look up everyone's names! see how many games on these forums they have played, get the results of those games, and even view their filters for said games. it answers almost all of your questions. | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:28 Koshi wrote: I am once again town. Jeez. How I will play this game: 1) If people call me mafia I will not rage at them. I will simply explain I am not. 2) I will keep my filter really low. Basically I will play how I would play scum. But then as town. Why? Because I need to learn to play under suspicion and be fine with it. will it last more than 12 hours this time? | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:39 Trfel wrote: Artanis, yeah I know the point, but I don't care XD Yes, I have a few reads. Nothing interesting, though tell me anyway my kid is asleep. | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:46 Tictock wrote: Can I get the towncred I was never able to cash in on for lynching him last game if I help? I don't care what he flips, just give me them town creds and nobody needs to get hurt. ![[image loading]](http://orig04.deviantart.net/645d/f/2013/111/8/9/_gif__chuunibyou_demo_koi_ga_shitai__1__1024x576__by_andydu72-d5h77nf.gif) | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote: this is a dumb angle since we all know each other and dont. Here is a smart angle, what is your mafia experience? this is a dumb post because he answered his own questions in his original post. | ||
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pocketing me: slam, rsoul mafia lean: gb, trfel | ||
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dumb=/=scum; that guy is ML bait for days. | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote: Hi rit can we be town bros this game? i'll tell you when i read your filter in 48 hours | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:30 Holyflare wrote: Perhaps defending the person that has a voice of their own and can respond how he or she pleases is not the best strategy in a game based on lack of information. Your argument is a classic misrepresentation and exaggeration of the situation, we have simply proposed questions to a person questioning how their strategy would come to fruition. He has also played mafia in other locations which may or may not come in to play. Why are you so eager to jump to this person's defence? I for one would like to hear his responses. because how many games in a row is it where we have a new player who enters in; says some dumb shit that is very obviously town and then people spend days babbling over how they could be mafia when they just aren't. last game was shapelog, game before that was moosy, game before that was cephiro. i know this is hard for you since you're out of practice and a firm believer in dumb=scum; but that ness guy is like always town. | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:41 GlowingBear wrote: Why is Artanis town? Why is slam buddying you (where did you get that idea?)? Do you think the guys that are buddying you are Mafia? Why am I Mafia? Why truffle is Mafia? artanis is freely posting thoughts instead of releasing them in blocks of text. artans waits, sounds calculated, and posts in paragraphs/walls when he is scum. slam and rsoul are doing things that aren't alignment indicative but make me like them; plus slam is just hot irl. you're mafia because town GB calls that guy an idiot or worthless, town GB doesn't call him mafia. trfel is mafia cuz he sounded whimpy. having played with trfel as mafia recently, i think his biggest tell is that he sounds meek and whimpy as mafia. we done with your shitter read? ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/c5d1933f5de28e7d39fe5405c65188fb/tumblr_mzb0vb9qKx1t7d0aqo1_250.gif) | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:50 ExO_ wrote: you like chu2 a bit too much, can we get some Haruhi gifs? chuunibyo makes some of the best gifs tho D: | ||
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i can get behind vivax for now. ##vote: vivax | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh.. It makes sense then why i missed the post. Maybe i should get my laptop.. ![[image loading]](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/761/975/f6f.gif) | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:27 sicklucker wrote: its just funny that you scum read me for making a sarcastic post. but if you ignore the sarcastic part im doing a very townie thing asking you about your mafia history pretty meh about this self-aware part of this post. could be mafia frustrated about not getting townreads for things he thinks he should be TR for. | ||
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meanwhile i am having panic attacks not wanting kid to get a cold. rip working in medicine | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:23 rsoultin wrote: D1 you were quite adamant when i couldnt see it. The problem is gb is posting but not being ADD at all...which is how i read him. like he seems pretty focused on a limited number of things rather than being volatile bear. if youre sure i can drop him for a day cause i like a viva lynch too pretty much that, he hasn't spazzed out and yelled at me for calling him mafia or tried to make love to me. he is just calm and focused posting. i may be slightly biased because he appears to be tunneling on me and it's pretty w/e. | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i don't think there is anything "contradicting" in that if that's what you want to say? And i am not calling you scum am i? oh you're not? i thought the whole "you should have opposite read" and "one game he was super town, but..." indicated scum lean. guess was assuming wrong. | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:22 Tictock wrote: Sure you have basically the same read as me on Kush but I'm scum for it Seems legit and your read on kush is: he's a smurf which he literally explained pre-game when he said "this is a smurf, cuz i can't view kush account at work" ...like wat? | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be honest i would prolly consider you scum if it wasn't for the read on BH in that one game.... I actually do think Trfel jumping to conclusions without proofreading what he says beforehand is is quite big of a towntell for him. It's like... he thinks something is true (which can be clearly seen from his posts), then figures out he is wrong (or something happens) and he backs off. I think it shows he is thinking about the game, and i have no idea why you think that is scummy. Also his posts were not bad at all on any level, as as i said it shows he is actually re-evaluating his reads. Him having much/few reads at the point of the game is not alignment indicative i think. i was mafia with him quite recently and he was rather meek and unsure that game. very non-committal, asking for advice, waiting to pick a side until later etc. some of that meek tone and play i see so far in this game. | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:50 GlowingBear wrote: I'm actually trying to further evaluate you. I didn't like that post I've quoted earlier but I was ok with your answer, and it seems people don't agree with me. I'm still waiting for your answer tho what post? i must have missed it | ||
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i told my 90 scum read to slam when he quit/got banned. he did 1 of the 3 parts of it. | ||
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EBWOP: i told slam my 90% meta read to slam when he quit/got banned.* | ||
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On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote: I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: who? | ||
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On December 27 2015 14:53 Trfel wrote: I think that Artanis is town for post count. Post count seems to be an extremely huge tell for him. I don't care if he knows that I will read him based on post count, we both know that he can't keep a high post count as mafia this game  The fact that he made this many posts early seems extremely town-motivated to me. I just don't see Artanis doing that as mafia, it's a futile effort that would be irrelevant to his survival (since his activity will drop off).Call me silly, but I think it's an easy read. what do you think of me and rayn and our disagreement on reading you? | ||
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On December 27 2015 15:00 Alakaslam wrote: "He's scum but I don't want to kill him now" Who says that you're being kind; it wasn't that decisive. | ||
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On December 27 2015 15:02 Trfel wrote: Didn't really read it yet, raynpelikoneet's townread of me felt a bit "easy", like I don't think he generally reads me with that confidence, and I don't think that my play has been notably good so far (or towny, outside potential meta that few, if any, know). This statement, however, is exactly the opposite of my "meta". This is not a reason to townread me, since my scum playstyle wasn't working and I need a new playstyle, but your statement here is factually incorrect. I mean, it's possible that you see my scum play as weak and wimpy, fine. Compared to my town play, though, it's extremely aggressive. I feel like you should know this, seeing as I kept mentioning that I was scared about hurting people's feelings in the scum QT? But there's no incentive for you to lie intentionally, so bleh. I'm going to reread the thread now, so yeah. i remember you not committing to a side like at all day 1 in that game and then backing down from a blue claim fight and getting pretty wishy-washy when people got salty. maybe you're right and i am wrong and the game we were mafia together in was just a bit of an anomaly. might got look at another one of your scum games to see if i get the feels. | ||
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On December 27 2015 15:07 N e s s wrote: I'm sure it was, buddy this game is no fun, more frustrating in that matter. you have no votes on you, multiple people think you're town, and 1 of your 2 scum reads is currently leading in votes and slated to be lynched.....why are you frustrated exactly? because everyone hasn't awarded you the title of town jesus? i don't mean to sound like a dick, but i am legit confused....it's 12 hrs into your first game here where most people have no information and some people's job is to actively lie and some people find your play questionable....how is that unreasonable or frustrating? | ||
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On December 27 2015 15:09 Trfel wrote: Seeing as I managed to defend my mafia partner by leading a mislynch on Day 1, and even pushed an un-cc'd blue trying to force the mislynch through? I'd really like you to explain how you could see my play in this way, and more importantly, how you can see my town play as more committal. Shit like this: On September 29 2015 07:05 Trfel wrote: My post isn't actually that long, if you actually care about the content you can just read it yourself..... And if you don't care about the content, then you can probably just not read the stuff inside the spoiler. Which is all of the post. So you're done! That wasn't too hard, was it? On September 29 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote: Anyway, this post is extremely scummy. Rsoultin is clearly mafia. Why does she not take a stance? She's just fanning the flames and waiting to see where everyone comes down instead of actually leading the thread. ##vote rsoultin From battle of drams where you're assertive and telling people how it is. Not weak in tone, but rather straightforward and terse. oh wow...i went back to read newbie student fullmetal and i am just wrong. you were super fucking aggro in this game. maybe i just have a fucked up perception cuz of the qt. well i guess that read is trash now. | ||
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On December 27 2015 15:15 N e s s wrote: The reason i find it frustration is because all of the scum reads people are doing on me. Like jesus the only logical scum read on me was HF's, and thats even been dissmissed. I feel like i'm spending more time right now having to defend myself then getting to enjoy the game. that or i'm just a whinney b****. as a bit of coaching advice: if you sit around defending yourself the entire time you are playing to not die/lose, which generally people will read as more mafia indicative (obv you need to defend youself some of the time). counter-intuitively making cases and trying to find mafia when you're under suspicion is more likely to get you town reads as you are playing to resolve people's alignments/find scum/win. | ||
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On December 27 2015 15:28 Trfel wrote: Thanks for answering my question. That makes sense to me for now, though I'll re-evaluate upon finishing the thread. I'm too lazy to check, why did you townread Artanis early in the game? If you already answered, I'll find it eventually, sorry. On December 27 2015 09:47 ritoky wrote: artanis is freely posting thoughts instead of releasing them in blocks of text. artans waits, sounds calculated, and posts in paragraphs/walls when he is scum. slam and rsoul are doing things that aren't alignment indicative but make me like them; plus slam is just hot irl. you're mafia because town GB calls that guy an idiot or worthless, town GB doesn't call him mafia. trfel is mafia cuz he sounded whimpy. having played with trfel as mafia recently, i think his biggest tell is that he sounds meek and whimpy as mafia. we done with your shitter read? he has kinda fucked off a bit after he got his town reads, but not enough to be outside of town yet/be concerning. | ||
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On December 27 2015 15:32 Alakaslam wrote: My grammar is just lazy-ass, if I bothered to punctuate it I would be more understandable Also it comes from having too professorial language for a while, trying to dumb it down, and deciding that wasn't with the drawbacks As well as starting to learn 3 languages. Korean loves to imply, 감사 muy mucho あなたは 귀여운 porque el ojo del chupazi | ||
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On December 27 2015 16:24 Onegu wrote: VT claim. Will read in a bit. Try and not be lazy... ##Vote: Koshi never again. afk 20 hours, sleeping then driving home from wannabe america + Show Spoiler + candada #rekt | ||
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Wow this thread kinda became a dumpster fire while I was away. | ||
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On December 28 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe ritoky coyld share some light on this. After all he correctly called him scum last game. Is this about tt? I can look after I catch up but I don't remember some super illogical read like last game off the top of my head | ||
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On December 28 2015 08:38 sicklucker wrote: hf might acualy be town for preventing a rage quit This is a clown read bro | ||
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On December 28 2015 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: Answer these questions. How much mafia experience do you have? yes How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? ok If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? me If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? ultraviolet sson Is it sad that the sson at the end makes me think you're slightly mafia? | ||
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On December 28 2015 11:40 nooniansoong wrote: Not trfel I mean tt Why do you think tt looks bad? | ||
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On December 28 2015 12:11 nooniansoong wrote: Why does tt look bad? Ask the people who are scumreading him. I believe, ows, you said tts posts are empty..something like that. Your posts are pretty empty too. Your content is similar to tt in its length and depth. So you can understand why artanis is voting ows and you think it is similar, you find them both empty posters and you're just content to let them do fuck all for what reason? Since apparently you don't scum read either of them | ||
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On December 28 2015 12:23 nooniansoong wrote: Why does null reading someone equate to being content to let them do fuck all? prior to your post while I was typing mine you hadn't engaged either when both are here to get a read plus you're not pushing for anything. From what I remember you're default sitting on palmar and content to let people fuck off. | ||
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On December 28 2015 12:40 Damdred wrote: I kinda think mush is town now to hrmm me too, i kinda like the defiance, although it isn't quite the being told to go fuck myself read. | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:51 Tictock wrote: Is nobody gunna discuss this obvious legit very real claim and self vote? Personally, I could TT was this serious or not? | ||
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On December 28 2015 12:32 The Shining wrote: I'm caught up-ish? But I'm really tired and work is dragging so I'm not sure how much registered. I skimmed thru Ness filter before my headache got the best of me. I'm going to get a good nights sleep when I get home later and probably break my Monday/Tuesday no-play meta tomorrow to finish filters and be around for EoD. I'm *kinda* here for the next half hour. Posts are in order. #959 and #1021. Ness, how serious was that gutread that you admitted had nothing to support it? What exactly gave you that gutread? Becuz post 1021 is a big change in town from scum gutread to town lean because of your interaction with GB. IMO GB didn't do anything outstanding in between these posts. and that makes him what? also why did you choose to read ness's filter? | ||
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On December 28 2015 13:41 The Shining wrote: Phone post. This, coupled with my other post replying to GB, makes me inclined to lean scum but I already mentioned in my other post that his activity with so many lurkers makes me hesitate. That's why I want to see his response. I picked Ness because I just caught up. I randomly picked GBs filter to read first because I've played with GB before, saw his interactions with Ness and him scumming Ness then saying he might be tunneled, noticed they were voting together when I checked the voting thread. So I wanted to see Ness read on a GB that was scumming him but that he voted with. This is all in my 5 post filter btw =/ so do you think he is scummy or null as of now without his response? and what exactly gives you pause regarding lurkers? i can understand that, but why i guess my question was more of why ness before someone in threat of being lynched? | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:51 Tictock wrote: Is nobody gunna discuss this obvious legit very real claim and self vote? Personally, I could Like is this a joke or is it serious? Normally I just assume this is 100% a joke, but GB is one of those assholes who would claim scum as scum or claim cop as cop just to dick around. He would also do both as VT for the same reason. So it very well could be him using some meta and taking it actually serious. And if it is not serious then it isn't really funny and it is a shitty joke...shitty jokes actually tend more toward scum. On December 27 2015 11:35 Tictock wrote: Caught up with the game, but I'm prob not hanging around. Could get behind lynching Ness or noonian atm. Exo seems ok despite his open. No real strong town feels from anyone yet, maybe a little from Koshi I kinda like GB's posts thus far, I prob won't hammer him today. Tone feels different from past couple games, though... not sure it means anything. Bold #1: Firstly I just disagree with this pretty strongly. Secondly, his eventual reason for this read is "you ask questions and then don't conclude things" (which btw after this post you don't really do either of those things) which is the most vague and gray goo accusation of a new player ever. It feels like you pulled it out of a box. Bold #2: This is the part that really blows my mind. Why the fuck koshi? Of all people, why koshi? I say this ENTIRELY because of the last game. To give you context: in nutcracker koshi opened the game with the literal exact same post basically and attempted to hold to it; after approximately 12 hours he crumbled and started spamming the thread (or the equiv of spamming in a post limit game). #1) If you're going to base your read off of koshi making the same play shouldn't you actually wait until a proper amount of time has passed for koshi to explode and fail at being quiet or succeed and then make your judgment from then on? #2) koshi had been fairly calm (for his standards) up until kinda recently where he posted some more which is the OPPOSITE of what happened in the last game. So I have a very hard time grasping this read, because I can only assume there is some meta behind it since koshi was nowhere near the most town in the thread from a play perspective. Like either you think koshi got better at being quiet and is town (in which case how the fuck did you make this read so fast?) or this read is manufactured. Bold #3: If the above was serious and based on meta (which to me this post kinda indicates it slightly was) then you backed out of a meta read about GB claiming scum super easy and at a time when I don't really think he deserved it in the slightest. In fact GB was pretty fucking scummy early and I think he still has a solid chance of flipping scum. On December 27 2015 13:22 Tictock wrote: Sure you have basically the same read as me on Kush but I'm scum for it Seems legit To me this part is weaker than the koshi part, but still scum indicative. Basically it is simple: he is not reading and doesn't care. Multiple points in the thread and the pages surrounding this, kush, rayn, and hf had all mentioned that kush was a smurf who admitted he was a smurf because he couldn't log on his original name from work. It is mentioned quite a few times, but TT agrees with the read made initially that kush = scum cuz admitting smurfing = nonsense. But he keeps standing by it in the face of facts. Facts that he hadn't read because he didn't care about making an informed read. It is only when I quote it for him a bit later that he says "oh". Also when your read goes from he admitted he was a smurf -> oh, nothing after 1 correction of facts....and it is your most prominent read; clearly he isn't interested in finding scum. On December 28 2015 12:11 Tictock wrote: My only issue with this thinking is that it could just be a very legit, NAI, question he asked there and you are way overthinking it. I will admit that the nature of the question is more town indicative, but this wont really change my opinion by itself. Like this, he is just shitting on someone's town read, but even in shitting on it he is being wishy-washy about shitting on it. However after dumping on it he provides nothing of his own. No indication of direction or wanting people to get on board with him lynching Ness. He simply shits to shit. I don't see how posts like this push town in any positive direction. Like where are you trying to find scum? Where are you gathering information? Where are you showing you're reading the thread? Where are you trying to get people to understand your point of view? You're doing none of that, so you're probably just mafia. Ouch is right. Currently I think TT is a better lynch than Vivax. Vivax is nibbling at the edges while actively reading which annoys me greatly and also engaging in riddles before gameplay which also frustrates me, but he has some LS in him....and that kinda makes me a pussy about it. ##unvote: ##vote: TickTock | ||
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wtf are you doing? the fact that you didn't extend the column to have ows's name fully inside pisses me off soooooooo much. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: You mean the chart? No, if you didn't have one you would be scum. If Vivax actually unclaimed we lynch him 100%. I don't fucking care if he is town or not but we lynch him. what do you think of hf being so heated @ gb that he didn't even give vivax unclaiming the time of day? | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:28 Holyflare wrote: I don't care about vivax's unclaim because night actions will sort it out and I think he's still the jk because: A) nobody said they wanted to lynch vivax after he claimed B) his thread participation has increased a modicum C) he's still shit and I ignore the majority of posts he makes atm doesn't the whole actually being JK but unclaiming to try and dodge a bullet/confuse scum thing usually happen during the night phase? | ||
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why is he town? | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:34 Vivax wrote: cant actually believe town rayn would scumread me here, regardless of any claims can believe town rayn policy votes you for doing something idiotic here, regarding your claims | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##Vote Raynpelikoneet Clearly misrepresenting Vivax. what in the fuck? | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:38 Holyflare wrote: I hate everything you stand for and you suck at this game. white knight to the rescue ![[image loading]](http://www.doctornerdlove.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/iStock_000018225297XSmall.jpg) | ||
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i really wanna vote vivax with rayn tho, but i pretty much agree with HF that i think he is just JK doing some dumb shit. | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:54 The Shining wrote: Because he showed signs of wanting to lynch my 1st largest scumread, which gives me doubts and makes me hesitate on both. And my 1st largest scumread AFKd the game after martyring and is voting an un-CCd JK, even though that JK unclaimed and now I just don't know anymore. I guess I'd rather not be wrong on either and since TT is around, I'm interested in what he'll come up with before DL I don't like this post, nor 1 of the previous ones. I would be willing to boot up shennanie.exe for this guy, and gb, and maybe rels | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:56 Holyflare wrote: I can't find Ness' off site game link, if someone can link me it that would be nice since the only thing preventing him from being mafia for me was his defence and his filter length. On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote: Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7 You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. it's in this post | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:59 Tictock wrote: You're gunna be dissapointed, I effectively gave up. Town is gunna lynch me and call be bad for days. who's mafia out of GB, shining, and rels? | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:01 The Shining wrote: Do what you gotta do. Just remember you suck at reading me and I've pointed this out before. I guess you really can't backtrack once you scum me, either, because you did that last time you rolled scum vs me and I caught you. You had to pretend you were wrong that game after our shouting match. I'm down to yell again if you are. And shenannying onto GB means you'd be voting with me, since out of those 2(not counting myself), that's who I'd vote. Decisions, decisions. Well i thought you were town earlier cuz you sounded pretty honest, but then you're all wishy-washy about your 2nd biggest scum read and refuse to vote when you really should have already voted if you believed your read and sound like you're pre-emptively distancing; which could mean you're TMI setting yourself up to look good post-flip. I don't wanna vote TT cuz he the only person voting my top scum read is a dumpster reason too. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:04 Tictock wrote: GB... though I haven't really seen Rels post so I don't really know. From the couple of TS posts I read he's town. Rsoul is right about GB's tone. Last 2 games as town he played something like I've been this game. But here GB is being rather diplomatic and trying to sound reasonable. When Town!GB was trying to lynch me in Haunted he was being pretty unreasonable spouting shit like "Give me my lynch!" and "I wanna be right!" Though outside of your question I prob wouldn't lynch him for that alone. GB got in a 5 page shouting match with HF.... | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:17 sicklucker wrote: trying to get the most likely mafia flip lynched you? tt is a good flip too which makes this a hard battle getting the guy i made a case on lynched and if not, then shennanying onto actual mafia, not town hf. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:19 Tictock wrote: I'm thinking I shouldn't have signed up for this game. I haven't tried very hard, but does that really mean I should be lynched? What have I actually done that is scummy? there's 2 cases on you which you gave 0 fucks addressing, you should know very clearly. plus you're sitting here saying idgaf instead of trying to find and lynch mafia. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote: I have no idea why you think I'm Mafia, then, and how you can't at least be a little suspicious of HF for everything I have said because HF was white knighting then got all pissy and fought with you; which falls in line with my: when HF is town he can't help himself read. plus you just lynch his ass if he is alive like 3 days in and hasn't lynched a million mafia in a row. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:26 Trfel wrote: Does anyone want to lynch nooniansoong here, or should I give up? he basically told me to go fuck myself and i thought it was town; why is he mafia? | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote: Ok guy let's just stop this pointlessness for a second. Let's be all nonchalant for a while and just give me a brief few people that you think are mafia and a sentence why and work from there. This. A million times this. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: Oh, wow, I was about to case Artanis but I guess he's actually town Artanis, what's in the rest of the chart? Like, not the specifics, but how do you go about taking notes for the game? Because he doesn't want to lynch Tictock, but he's not trying to do anything at all to vote for someone else or even explain why he's voting for Alakaslam (at least, I don't remember seeing anything). Rsoultin, did you see the quote I brought up about GlowingBear (this page, or last page)? I don't feel that GlowingBear's tone is robotic in this game, and I believe that's the only reason you are scumreading him. Please explain? why him over moosy, boxerfred, and onegu who are doing pretty much the same thing? | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:04 Tictock wrote: There is more than black and white rayn. If there wasn't these games would be boring as fuck. I never understand why you have to think in absolutes. rayn's response will just be: if you tolerate idiocy and let people do stupid shit without consequence, then you're encouraging terrible play and opening yourself up to losing even more than you should. well he will say it much more mean | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:06 Tictock wrote: Holy shit, what do I look like? A guy who's trying here? I'll do it before EoN but you better be happy with w/e you get. i would like the moon, the sun, and the stars too. in 20 minutes. thanks. | ||
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after posting this too: On December 29 2015 07:44 Palmar wrote: On phone don't think I'll be at a computer before deadline. Very willing to shennie onto gb or kush | ||
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1 of palmar and SL is mafia (probably palmar) koshi has a tinfoil shot of being mafia TT i don't even fucking know the rest are town. | ||
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add coag, rayn, hf, damdred; up to 11? fuck how many town do i have to find in this game holy shit it is fucking big. | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: ritoky what do you think of this? Ignore Vivax if you want to, i am not going to argue about that one because he should be lynched on D2 in case he is not dead. Let's also ignore TT because i have no fucking idea what to make out of him and i honestly don't care anymore, i hope he just gets copped and the problem is solved. Anything to add, subtract? the subbed player is a coinflip...probably just ignore until posts shit worth reading. i have no read on moosy so add him to the bottom tier. i also am not sold GB is town, so i would add him below ness. i remember kush kinda telling me to fuck off and i liked that, so i would move him into onegu/koshi/slam/moosy range | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:59 ExO_ wrote: I don't even know. I've been flip flopping on what I think all day but by the end I was pretty sold on a TT lynch. I cannot believe so many people switched votes in the last couple of hours. TT is talking so much now but I still tend to think he's scum. I think some of the people who switched off of TT are scum (Palmar is pretty glaring). And though I'm sure it'll change and he'll squirm and scream I think I'm going to tunnel Palmar. And if somehow it becomes obvious that Vivax isn't JK, should lynch him too, imo. Outside of palmar who else do you think is most likely scum flipper? | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm unhappy about your sudden arrival, mostly. On December 29 2015 07:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm actually laughing irl. Silly Rels. On December 29 2015 07:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This actually makes even less sense. On December 29 2015 07:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm super tempted to just up and do it, tbh. On December 29 2015 07:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: On the other hand I kind of want to just up and kill Tictock. Hrm. On December 29 2015 07:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Meh, it's not gonna happen. We can deal with this at night then. he kinda shits on rels when he comes in then pussies out on the swap. | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:16 ExO_ wrote: Ritoky care to explain: this is exactly what just happened. You called it, and yet you still switched. (I'm currently on page 93, but if you switched after saying this there better be a damn good explanation) i led a shennanie on rels because tt posted some shit that gave me pause, the EoD felt kinda stagnant which is kinda what it feels like when you're piled on town, and rels' entry felt opportunistic combined with his underwhelming play and unusual lack of sensible posting made him feel like a good shennanie target. | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:23 Palmar wrote: People can go fuck themselves. Do they have a reason? On December 29 2015 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way Palmar does neither of: (1) stay on TicTock when having claimed to sheep me (2) vote Vivax after unclaim ..as town. There is just no way and it makes Palmar 100% mafia. On December 29 2015 17:19 ritoky wrote: palmar has no read on me, he has no read on koshi. palmar says he is sheeping rayn (who both made a case and did an idiot policy vote both of which i think palmar stands behind). i then announce GOGOGO on the shennanies and he is there before me and only after koshi. he also makes no comment about rels. like wtf is that? | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:08 rsoultin wrote: Town v town heard it here first :-) no | ||
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On December 30 2015 01:04 Holyflare wrote: Also ritoky you better get here and respond to exo's call out. On December 29 2015 18:20 ritoky wrote: i led a shennanie on rels because tt posted some shit that gave me pause, the EoD felt kinda stagnant which is kinda what it feels like when you're piled on town, and rels' entry felt opportunistic combined with his underwhelming play and unusual lack of sensible posting made him feel like a good shennanie target. This post was what really gave me the pause I am referring to. On December 29 2015 07:45 Tictock wrote: Fuck you for your assumptions about my reading. Like you and rayn both are just asshats doing that. He is 15 mins from lynch, needs votes, people are discussing shennanies, and he still insults voters. He also stuck around EoD unlike last game where after he saved himself from lynch he fucked off on a magic carpet. | ||
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On December 30 2015 03:00 Coagulation wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ORETsvC.gif?noredirect) ![[image loading]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/46/56/da/4656dab023af7a8eda542b24644fb82f.jpg) can you stop pissing away being an inno child, it's kinda fucking infuriating at this point. | ||
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On December 29 2015 20:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways, I believe the mafia is: Palmar kush --> (shining) Onegu Boxerfred Ness/(tictock) (Vivax) I on't think i am going to do anything during this night phase unless something extreme happens. On December 29 2015 18:08 ritoky wrote: i can get behind rayn on (vivax*) palmar kush - if kush then strongly consider shining GB or Ness BF 1gu/koshi/slam/moosy | ||
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On December 30 2015 04:05 Alakaslam wrote: Anyone here so we can speak the way of HIJOLE? I try to refrain from speaking in hijole after that one game you got kinda mad at me and called me a copycat. The eye never goes away though. | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:30 Holyflare wrote: Btw we force ritoky to make a shot of our choice tonight. No excuses. you wanna get shot givin me dat lip? | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:32 Holyflare wrote: Son you're talking to the person that hammered mafia before you switched to your not mafia read after he made terrible posts. yes because saying shoot only x person is a sound strategy with a living roleblocker in the game, much sense, such wow. | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:43 Tictock wrote: Saying miller was stupid, but I'm blue not red so stuff it. Lynch me if you need to, but Onegu is 100% mafia. so you're a blue who didn't claim in the face of impending lynch, then claimed miller, then retracted, then claimed blue after being red checked? | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:49 Tictock wrote: Fine I'm gunsmith. I hate claims. Lynch me to prove it I can't pass out anymore guns after this either way. "I gave a gun to ritoky because..." finish the claim if you're gonna do it. | ||
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On December 30 2015 13:33 ObviousOne wrote: and finally regarding moosy and his also-suidical level of play i say we have someone with a gun shoot him or we just pretend he doesn't exist. it's dawning on my how many people are giving so few fucks in a non-banlist game, the last time i was in this scenario was a caller game where everyone had guns. Can you post some reads you feel strongly about? Even if they are TRs. I would like something that isn't maybe this, maybe that. Why would you prefer an afk be shot instead of someone who you scum read? And why moosy over BF/slam/ness anything in particular distinguish 1 of the unengaged over the other? | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:11 ExO_ wrote: For the most part. If I understand correctly: Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum. Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him. I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well. Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable? | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:21 ExO_ wrote: Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by. If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk. I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies. Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened. | ||
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I am having a hard time understanding how you think that is a much more real threat/world than just a cop has a red check on a guy, he got cc'd, his play doesn't make much sense with his claim, and he has kinda rolled over so we should lynch him; which is a lot of definitive information. Then we just shoot palmar and ride off into the sunset looking like badasses, | ||
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On December 30 2015 19:00 sicklucker wrote: ritoky never say who your gonna shoot it lets mafia play you perfectly.. If palmers town they rb/kill dandred and let you kill town. If palmers mafia they rb you Your no longer allowed to shoot palmar you fucked up sorry bud we can just lynch him and if they rb me another gun gets distributed and if they don't shoot me and i mind game them and hold my shot 2 guns are in play and they fucked up and if i say i am shooting palmar all phase then shoot someone else on my list and blow their minds 2 can play these wifom games. | ||
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On December 30 2015 19:16 The Shining wrote: I don't understand how kush being scum makes me scum when I'm suspicious of him and willing to lynch him and he apparently doesn't like me either. Same with TT and Ness being scum together, when Ness was like the only person TT wanted to lynch D1. And I couldn't decide between the 2 of them. Unless you think the majority of the scum team is just soft-pushing eachother? On December 29 2015 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah , the bolded is completely true, but the fact is he is not caring if he is town either, so he is just a fucking coinflip and the best vigi shot. 100%. I agree on OO. I think the way and the confidence he went on with HF makes more sense from town perspective than it makes from mafia. The thing with kush is -- he isn't really trying to find scum. It's like... ugh.. a meta thing where he just fucking disagrees with me for the sake of disagreeing based NOT on the argument, he isn't even trying to understand the argument.... It becomes even more likely he is scum if TT is town, as i said. Basically the only smart thing kush has said in this game is actually the shit he brought on Shining, which would (unfortunately for Shining) indicate that Shining is also mafia. kush has a tendency to ONLY make really good points on his scumbuddies when he is scum because he can't fabricate good looking reads on townies. When kush is town he sometimes actually plays really well, but here, when he ONLY calls one player mafia for REASONS -- after ~90 pages, it strongly indicates he is scum, and also that the player (Shining) is scum too. So yeah, i'd add Shining to the scumlist, especially when kush flips mafia. We should probably lynch him after Palmar and Vivax or only after Palmar if the Vivax issue is solved during the night. So like lynch: (Vivax) --> Palmar --> kush. Then look very very closely into shining and lynch shining/boxerfred (or both) Then lynch Ness if he continues doing what he has (or like... hasn't) Then look at Onegu/Koshi/Slam further.... Check TT to confirm his affiliation. That's what i suggest at the moment. as for GB or ness; rayn was far more firm in believing it was ness, i still hold my read that gb would have called ness dumb and not mafia when he did so i said it was gb, rayn didn't agree so i arrived at 1 between the 2. tt flipping red means more likely gb than ness but still probably 1 between the 2. also ness hasn't done shit in like 48 hrs so it's kinda hard to gauge who he was pushing and not pushing being that he wasn't around when it actually mattered. | ||
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On December 30 2015 19:26 Tictock wrote: I didn't want to claim. + Show Spoiler [Stuff you wont believe till later] + My dumbass decided to post "Lynch Onegu when I flip miller" Rather than just "...when I flip" At least I'm glad I gave the gun to you kus I'm certain your town based off stuff today. I almost gave it to Damdred. My EoD posts did have a lot of "You all are gunna be mad at me when I die" stuff. My perspective right now is that Rayn/Art were onto something with Vivax/Palmar. At least one of them is scum imo and prob an important role. Only reason it makes sense to have 2 people fake claims to get me lynched today. Onegu is prob goon and doesn't have much time so is making the 1v1 trade for me. Damdred Idk about. I'm fairly sure Onegu wouldn't fakeclaim on me outta the blue like this as town. There is some faint tinfoil ideas about Damdred faking a claim as town to get me lynched, it makes sense for him to be convinced I'm mafia here. Like it's a really stupid play for scum!Damdred to fake claim GS to get me lynched when there is already a red check on me. I'd still put money on SL being scum this game as well, possibly still Ness and Kush. Ness I'm honestly thinking might have legit stormed off from the game though... though I think that's more likely to happen is he's scum here feeling caught rather than a town who just felt under pressure. Idk be interesting to gauge his return. I need you to explain to me some things: 1) Why claim today when red checked but not yesterday when 7 minutes from lynch? 2) Why is onegu mafia? (other than I am GS and he claimed red) 3) Elaborate on your damdred tinfoil theories; he claimed your role, why isn't he mafia? 4) Why should I believe you when there's an uncc'd cop with a red check? | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I lied, I'm actually still here. I just perused OO's, Shining's, and Vivax's filters and haven't had issues with any of them. Considering Palmar is so high up on everyone's lists and I townread him earlier, can someone explain to me why everyone thinks he's so scummy? I'll be checking this thread intermittently throughout tonight but I'll try to respond to whoever is still trying to do things. On December 29 2015 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way Palmar does neither of: (1) stay on TicTock when having claimed to sheep me (2) vote Vivax after unclaim ..as town. There is just no way and it makes Palmar 100% mafia. On December 29 2015 17:19 ritoky wrote: palmar has no read on me, he has no read on koshi. palmar says he is sheeping rayn (who both made a case and did an idiot policy vote both of which i think palmar stands behind). i then announce GOGOGO on the shennanies and he is there before me and only after koshi. he also makes no comment about rels. like wtf is that? | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Ritoky I don't understand what you're trying to shoot for with your bottom quote. Can you elaborate more? basically palmar says "i am sheeping rayn cuz i am not really playing this phase". rels comes back and does a bunch of shit that was bad. i start discussing shennanies onto rels koshi votes rels i say gogogo in the thread i go to voting thread palmar has already voted rels i go to palmar's filter palmar has no read on rels, no read on koshi, and no read on me. why does town palmar not sheep rayn onto his case or a policy vote on a claim/unclaim, but instead follows a no-read onto a no-read? | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:01 Holyflare wrote: They're both probably town there's nothing to work out. Shoot slam please. are you so sure of this you wouldn't lynch their ass at lylo? | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:02 Vivax wrote: Methinks trfel is mafia tbh, need to narrow down my shit soon why? | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:07 Holyflare wrote: Damdred is too depressing and if he's playing the friendship card on me I will have no respect for him as a player from now on. I town read onegu day 1 and the claim doesn't really make sense in the way he did it from mafia but this isn't a be all and end all of reads. Slam anger at something he has been repeatedly told was very fake and he didn't even comment on the shit that just happened. Not to mention all the other stuff he did like being aggro to ness and town reading him etc. well when i read damdred's filter i called him soul read town, and i have a lot of faith in that read; but idk if i don't lynch him if he is sitting with me in lylo.....plus the part that gives me pause is that if he is mafia he is the perfect person to send out there for a cc since he always has an excuse to have given me a gun in that spot. | ||
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if shoot worst case: 10 - 5 after N2 9 - 5 after D3 7 - 5 after N3 6 - 5 After D4 -> lost unless save if not shoot worst case: 11 - 5 after N2 10 - 5 after D3 8 - 5 after N3 7 - 5 after D4 6 - 5 after N4 so missing costs us a ML right? can someone confirm? | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:38 ExO_ wrote: Really hard for me to want to continue playing for a couple of reasons. People on TL think they are too smart for their own good. Unless Damdred and Onegu are scum, then we had 2 players fuck over everyone else, because they're smart enough to fake claim. There was no scum hunting yesterday like at all. Part of it was the super long day, but I think I was convinced like most people that TT was scum. The only silver lining imo is that Damdred or Onegu is almost certainly scum, but if they aren't then Jesus Christ. And the second is I'm not sure how much help I can be. It's hard to play when you're demotivated. Clearly my thoughts about scum need to be reevaluated because I was sure TT was scum. TT's play didn't help but I'm not sure where to go from here. idk. Somebody point me in a direction because right now I'm feeling pretty meh :/ make a list of people you would not shoot tonight if you had a gun. | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:53 Damdred wrote: Why is the cc necessary the only people doubting the red were exo and SL while everyone else wouldn't change without a cc to onegu. Also the who got,the gun wasn't up to debate as you claimed it earlier in the day everyone had that information. Answer honestly red check on Tt him acting like he did no fake claim by me and no cc to onegu would you lynch Tt still. does tt still get lynched there without your cc? probably due to his play yes. does all discussion get shut down without your cc? no; your cc gave "overwhelming information" against tt which made discussing the lynch, the potential of a fake claim, if TT gives me a gun, if onegu is auto-lynch if tt flips anything but red, etc all a moot point because we all believed with certainty he would flip red since he had a double claim against him. that is what i meant when i said "securing the lynch" | ||
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On January 02 2016 10:03 Damdred wrote: I think I disagree that my claim shut the game down the red check shut the game down to an extent. You are assuming without a cc to him that people would discuss fervently and give more information when history tells us that just isn't a the case. knowing myself and it being a 72 hour phase, without your claim i would have at least tinfoil considered the fake claim possibility had your cc not been there. can't speak for others and maybe i am assuming things. | ||
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On January 02 2016 10:28 Damdred wrote: I'll make a brief version for now, Townish Nullish to scum Townish Town Should lynch Maybe town Town On January 02 2016 10:35 ritoky wrote: if you wanna explain those further the 3 i am most interested in are OO, moosy, and obi repost for respond shit | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:41 ritoky wrote: make a list of people you would not shoot tonight if you had a gun. i don't care if the list is like 2 or 3 people right now, i would just like to know. | ||
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On January 02 2016 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: Funny thing coming from the guy who twists what I say 100% of the games we play together On January 02 2016 05:28 ritoky wrote: gb post other reads, i am tired of reading your essay on HF. | ||
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cuz exo isn't responding and i think he is the most town of people currently posting outside of exo | ||
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town 100%: ritoky coag town 99%: exo_ town 96%: koshi town 95%: holyflare vivax: vivax slightly town pile: obi OO moosy shining no clue and probably not gonna get one: kush mafia list in no order: 1 of: gb or ness/NM palmar slam 1 of: onegu or damdred 1 of: sl or trfel if i am wrong in here (particularly on 1 between onegu/damdred is where i could easily be wrong) then it's probably moosy or kush? | ||
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read this conversation from a couple nights ago and consider it post-flip On December 30 2015 18:41 ExO_ wrote: Sure, but I was pretty much under the impression TT was a lock yesterday. I find it hard to imagine shenanigans happening again, as well, but I'd rather reduce the risk. I'm 99% on both TT and Palmar and would be okay with a lynch on either of them. I feel like Palmar lynch and shooting TT is safer, but I'm fine with it the other way. And I feel like in every TL mafia game I play, the logic by the end of a 48 hours period changes quite a bit. People can't stand sitting on the same target all day. I'm incredibly worried somebody is going to out-think themselves and we switch targets to another stupid target :/ there's a couple more posts not in the quote chain if you wanna go back and look at those too, but this discussion and me having to basically talk him into what seemed like a mechanical auto-lynch; plus the reasonable pushback he gave me (in hindsight) makes me think he is SUPER town. and if you're going to say "he could be doing it from a TMI perspective"; i just say no, i REALLY don't think so from tone, legitimacy of concern, feelings of honesty and the effort of response. | ||
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On January 02 2016 12:05 nooniansoong wrote: ritoky.. Still not getting why that conversation is town. Can you explain it like I'm five? The dumbtell.. he made masons prove they are masons. So? Scum know they are supposed to be suspicious. I think he was being overly and artificially suspicious if anything. 1) He confirms he has read the thread, and identifies that he understands that TT has been red checked and counterclaimed for his role. 2) Even though he understands that someone has been red checked and CC'd he wants to lynch Palmar because his dead TRs said so and would rather have a vigi (me) shoot TT. 3) I then explain to him why mechanically it makes no sense because 1 is from a source of definitive information (lulz) and the other is from a source of indefinite information. 4) He still resists saying he prefers palmar, and tries to justify why the alternative is bettter. 5) Amidst all of his explanation he has a underlying paranoia that another shennanie will happen if the lynch is on TT and that someone who he doesn't want lynched will get lynched so he would rather just lynch Palmar who is the person he wants. Why does this shit make him town? #1 pushback against a mechanically simple play, rather than accept something that at the time was accepted as fact he elects to push back. mafia are more apt to take the free lynch and not quibble a whole lot. #2 illogical fear of shennanigans doesn't feel like it comes from mafia #3 discussing alternatives when no one else was is a town trait. the thread had largely shut itself down to any other lynch. #4 wanting palmar lynched and tt shot dumb tell #5 quick and thought out responses that felt like they came from a place on honest concern. timers on responses: 11 mins, 5 mins, 9 mins. considering the amount he typed for each, i doubt as mafia he is that good at faking that much content that quickly and sounding that good. | ||
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On January 02 2016 12:22 Damdred wrote: I looked in the op doesn't say if shots are refunded or not where do you get that from sl? 4th line from the bottom, 1st post. | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:37 ritoky wrote: 19 players - 14-5 if shoot worst case: 10 - 5 after N2 9 - 5 after D3 7 - 5 after N3 6 - 5 After D4 -> lost unless save if not shoot worst case: 11 - 5 after N2 10 - 5 after D3 8 - 5 after N3 7 - 5 after D4 6 - 5 after N4 so missing costs us a ML right? can someone confirm? | ||
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On January 02 2016 12:37 nooniansoong wrote: 1. All this sounds like an easy way for Exo to contribute while not having to scumhunt. Scum can discuss mechanics like anybody else. Why does it matter to scum which of palmar or exo gets lynched and which gets shot? It doesn't So he picks what he thinks looks townier. 2. Illogical fear is scummy. It's illogical. It doesn't make sense. It's fake. 3. He did it because he thought it was an easy way to look town. 4. Don't see why that is townie. 5. He wasn't coming up with scumreads so it wasn't hard for him. 1. You don't read his posts as real conviction in wanting things to be done his way? I do, and it matters because I think palmar is scum and he wanted scum lynched before flipped blue. 2. Disagree, paranoia about shennanies happening on a red checked and cc'd person is the kinda fear that isn't scummy to me. 3. Could be. 4. Agree to disagree. 5. faking legitimacy takes time | ||
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On January 02 2016 12:59 nooniansoong wrote: Clarification to my earlier post: My angle is that ritoky shouldn't be scumreading you for that, not that you are scum because of that. who should i be town reading that i am not? (yourself excluded) | ||
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On January 02 2016 13:25 sicklucker wrote: you called me and gb scum why is gb town? cuz he thinks hf is mafia? | ||
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On January 03 2016 08:17 Damdred wrote: Let's move past this, you do always ignore my reads every game we play though just as a side note. Name your top 5 town today ritoky ritoky coag exo damdred onegu | ||
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On January 03 2016 08:26 Damdred wrote: I think onegu can be a sac here though let's say he's scum vig he has two outcomes, he either gets his target lynched and take his last shot get lynched today Or He gets cc by the real DT and we probably lynch TT to see who's lying or they kill TT and the outed DT and we have almost no confirms left. They don't really lose a ml in this situation meh and with our jk yeah. So I don't think he's a lock town but I do agree its unlikely he goes 1v 1 at that point. What do you think of sl idk i just think that if there's a risk of onegu getting shot there and clearly the mafia didn't know who was blue why isn't the rb on me to mitigate that risk? it wastes a town kp and it saves a mafia guaranteed. i have a hard time seeing either of you as mafia simply because my bullet was allowed through. mafia are risk averse, and that is not a risk averse play. my read on SL is that 1) he TMI'd the TT lynch and so i moved him to scum lean. he did it twice, once early and once late: On December 30 2015 20:31 sicklucker wrote: Also why is TT still trying does not make anysense. maybe hes just there vig trying to get another day On January 02 2016 07:46 sicklucker wrote: tictock if you somehow are town and didnt fight here your a very sad player because both dandred/onegu have faked claimed in this spot before as town and there is alot of wifmo 2) his read on me changes with the wind 3) his thread presence has increased as more town leaders have died imo which is a bit opportunistic he could be scum. | ||
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On January 03 2016 09:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm still hyper inclined to lynch Trfel, btw. cuz? | ||
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On January 03 2016 10:36 nooniansoong wrote: Harder to lynch in terms of who other people are willing to vote. why does that matter? a good case on mafia is a good case on mafia. | ||
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On December 30 2015 21:17 sicklucker wrote: I kinda feel like its too early to make lists but i like these people as town Coag gb dandred ritoky ness vivax obi koshi onegu Theres probably gonna be one mafia in there tops I think unless fake claims and im sure this wont be a popular opinion but its where im at On January 02 2016 12:00 sicklucker wrote: ritoky acualy definitely hold your shot. two reasons Your reads are shit If a vig's shot is roleblocked they do NOT get the bullet back. On January 02 2016 22:13 sicklucker wrote: Heres my confident towns. Its not a very big list Koshi - Never really seen his mafia play but this is so obvious tbh. Hes such an easy ready when he gets all salty Gb - I saw his thought process I see it coming from a paranoid town perspective. Pretty much everything that makes me town makes him town obi- your just gonna have to trust me on this one. I have played alot of games with him and for him his contributions are huge and knowledgeable dandred- He would not do his claim as mafia enough said. Its a bad meta but when he claimed I knew he was a. fake claiming instantly and b. town A unique suspicion I have on everyones favorite gif poster. He revealed his gun instantly. He has done this as mafia in the Christmas game last year as well. When he got a present which was also a 1 shot vig or something similiar he backed himself into a corner where I caught him when he claimed he had it when he shouldnt have. So there is some parelels here. im not saying I think hes scum but some food for thought. Im sure hf remembers this blooper well. He has done the same thing the last time he was given a gun at the same time of the tear.? COINCIDENCE? it's not like you've been progressively setting up to scum read me over the past 72 hours or anything | ||
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the plan is to spend a lot of the night trying to sound like i am shooting damdred or onegu so that if either is mafia i am likely roleblocked which confirms to me there is at least 1 between them. if i am not roleblocked it reveals mafia didn't care and both are likely town. it yielded tons of information giving me basically 2 confirmed towns so i think the play was overall fine, especially since the 2 confirmed towns are ML candidates for doing some dumb fake claim stuff. point b: damdred: "you never listen to me even though you can read me well" ritoky: "yup" point c: i snap claimed as vigi (within the first day/night cycle) too. i claim with a gun, i think it is superior in 90% of cases. point d: yes i am frustrated that the jk is not protecting obvious town. aren't you? oh wait, you didn't find those people obvious town. my bad, how's the holyflare push going? anyways i should have shot slam, and that's on me. | ||
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On January 03 2016 11:38 Trfel wrote: Why did you not consider Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, and nooniansoong? because obi, palmar, and kush will make posts from which i can actually get informed reads. slam and moosy will not. | ||
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1 - slam has almost perpetually posted from behind the thread. he is always "catching up" and never actually interacting with the thread and immediately responding to people. very rarely does he react to things and push town in a positive direction. 2 - slam had literal 0 major reaction to claim shitfest 2015. town slam is all up in this, whether it is laughter, anger, something. he has a strong reaction which may include a 2nd nuking of the great wifom bunker by the chupazitron 30000. 3 - out of place anger 4 - not enough non-sequitur: "this guy is mafia" reads 5 - he has not done my #1 town tell on him. palmar is probably still mafia cuz rayn said so too, but some of his posts make me weaken on that. | ||
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On January 03 2016 12:09 Damdred wrote: Rit please look at least what I'm pointing out instead of dismissing it. I do think slam is scum but nm is as well more than likely the NM stuff? i can in an hour | ||
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On January 03 2016 10:40 NocturneMage wrote: Onegu is probably going to be my top lynch, unless I can get a summary/case/link to a case on Palmar or Alakaslam that makes them more convincing. Voting Onegu for now. Do you think I am mafia? | ||
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On January 03 2016 15:15 Damdred wrote: Its how he approaches the game he is much more intent on scum hunting and even going against popular opinion if he thinks he is right. even tinfoiling excessively at points not so in scum games. okay let me read some more of the town one then with this in mind. | ||
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On January 04 2016 13:52 Trfel wrote: What? This really isn't a complicated idea. Like, not at all. More time means it's easier to read someone, regardless of what they are doing. However, in NocturneMage's case, more time is especially indicative because he's just replacing into the game. Like, seriously, I shouldn't have to explain this. Do you want an elementary school explanation? my idea is simple too. he has had multiple days. he has shown no activity and no tenacity. his town games are all active and tenacious. his mafia game is non-inquisitive and inactive. are we together still? you think over time you will get a read on him. which means that for some reason you think he is going to suddenly become more active and push for things. why would you think that? all indications are toward the contrary. plus if we miss mafia we are in penta-lylo without saves, so you're also saying "this is someone i would bring to lylo even though i have no read on them and am leaving in the wait and see category". doesn't make sense to me in the slightest. basically you think you'll get a read on him for suddenly doing the opposite of what he has been doing when what he has been doing is quite literally his mafia meta. so i am sitting here wondering why in the hell you are expecting him to change behavior randomly? my drug and pain ridden brain can only arrive at spew or qt; but what the fuck do i know i am high as shit on painkillers. | ||
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On January 04 2016 13:56 ExO_ wrote: I spent most of today with my family. Will be kinda on and off with my activity as I prepare to go back home in 2 days. But I'll be here. I kinda took a step back from the game b/c I was feeling just incredibly disheartened. I need some help getting back into the swing of it. I haven't read, but we need to lynch palmar today. Artanis/Rayn both thought Palmar was scummy. And with just about every other person I thought was scum dead it's my best lead. Specifically at Ritoky, what do you think of lynching Palmar today? i'll lynch palmar, idgaFUCK. the 2 non-confirmed town voting on him are kinda sketch tho. idk i prefer slam cuz i just think he is ezpzmafiasqueezy. dunno how anyone is voting on 1gu, literal 0 people have rebutted how i basically confirmed him and damdred as town, which was pretty baller. 8/10 woulda been 10/10 if shot hit mafia too. | ||
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On January 04 2016 14:59 Trfel wrote: Sorry, this post was not called for. There are several potential reasons why NocturneMage's play could be like this as town, as I stated a few posts ago. If NocturneMage's play continues to be the same as time passes, then these explanations are no longer valid, and he is likely mafia. If his play changes significantly, then he could very well be town. I need to pack my stuff, then I'll try to look at mafia stuff, but I need to wake up at like 4 tomorrow. So I'm hoping to not stay up that late. i don't understand why you believe waiting and seeing will yield different results; it begs the question why do you believe that? just out of the kindness of your heart? or?????? | ||
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we should probably not lynch SL or kush mostly cuz they really give fucks damdred has a boner for shining so i will listen to said boner which leaves: slam, gb, trfel, NM, OO, palmar, obi that's the group that should be voted on today pretty much always. i think i would vote on obi last out of that group? i don't fucking know tbh; can we just lynch slam so i can regret my shot on moosy when he flips mafia? | ||
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current play -> low activity + weak truffle -> give him more time at what point is enough time? and why do you expect time to = different play? it is 1 ML from lylo is lylo when enough time is? is 3 days when enough time is? and why if given a decent amount of time and doing things similar to his mafia games do you expect a different outcome? to me the sensible progression is what damdred is doing. guy is doing mafia meta -> apply lynch pressure to force him to do things -> get read from things -> decide if lynch. i don't see what the "give him more time and defend his play" route yields when his play has not been town indicative. i guess my point is i think damdred is approaching NM from a very town perspective and i have no clue about you and why you're hard defending an essentially afk player who could easily be mafia. | ||
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On January 04 2016 15:39 ExO_ wrote: I'll clearly sheep on palmar, but I could be swayed to slam. I just feel like Palmar has to be scum. But so far this game I've been mostly wrong :/ dunno, they're probably both mafia tbh, just a matter of lynch order. | ||
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i didn't find player interactions with him to be particularly toxic. not enough to drive someone into quitting the game and never coming back. which indicates something more going on.....PERHAPS QT TOXICITY AND FRUSTRATION FOR BUSSING!!!!??!?!?!? HMMMMM WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM going to sleep tho cuz u know how it goes, you're supposed to rest and shit when you're injured. | ||
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On January 05 2016 04:57 ObviousOne wrote: we lynch slam and then we're back here where we started with no new real information about the game because his filter is a minefield of random tangents and spirit of the chupazi gb flips mafia and we finally get a feel for the larger composition of the scum team based on interactions and reads or we're completely wrong and whatever, scum team are gods, god bless em are you so sure gb is mafia that you're willing to take a "minefield" to lylo? also some1 quote case plz. | ||
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On January 05 2016 04:59 ExO_ wrote: I'm sheeping you ritoky so wherever you end today Ill follow you got any opinion on the recent gb movement? fine i will go find whatever semblance of a case exists myself. | ||
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On January 04 2016 23:03 Palmar wrote: Glowingbear I've had an issue with glowingbear since day 1. Remember I talked about my townread on Exo which then blew up into an argument between us two (this particular part of the game is also involved in my feelings about kush). During this argument, Exo made precisely the point that GB makes in his question and I responded to it. There is no way GB was attentively reading that conversation to come up with that question, he just threw it out there. In fact, go to glowingbear's filter, like half of it, especially on day 1 is just him asking random questions without really following them up or giving any explanations to his thoughts while asking. I can quote quite a few: Like I get trying to get people to explain things, but at some point you're just inflating your post count. Which brings me neatly to my next point: Glowingbear has a 10 page filter, 7 of which are from day 1. He has basically dropped off the face of the earth (which sort of fits him being mafia, because with tictock fumbling his claim the game is actually going splendidly for mafia. He's not doing anything, he's been combative but isn't actually trying to get people to do his bidding. Even today he seems to barely care who gets lynched. GB is perfectly capable of pushing things in later days, I've seen him do it. When he has conviction to do something he usually just does it, yet he is barely even trying this game. If you guys don't believe me go read christmas carol and compare his push on holyflare in that game to his push on holyflare or me this game. thanks ritoky you're welcome ritoky | ||
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On January 05 2016 05:40 nooniansoong wrote: but we are going to shenanies back to alakaslam right? you're turning me on. | ||
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On January 06 2016 04:29 sicklucker wrote: would be pretty sick of dandreds like the cop here tho. Make a bad fakeclaims to avoid nks/ live forever. please be true would vote him for hugest balls 2016 | ||
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On January 06 2016 04:40 sicklucker wrote: Obi is still my boy hes done nothing to not deserve mt tr Dandred is probably town I think going against that is game losing I would gamble onegus town Palmar is town for sure but he should be suspect some if he does not die i think. But there is a rolecop so they could leave him around knowing hes vt or something weird I think oo is kinda town and gb spewed him as well Kush probably deserves a town read Scums probably tref/slam/exp/ritoky that seems right to me but im not 100% positive on any of them potential greens on obi and onegu? | ||
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On January 06 2016 08:18 Damdred wrote: Nah he never checks onegu there I think how often him and onegu have done that. I think he checked obi+someone depends on how sketched out he was post tt flip. i don't really remember so i should probably go look at some point. | ||
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On January 06 2016 13:17 The Shining wrote: Town 3. Onegu 7. damdred 11. ritoky 16. coagulation 19. The Shining 20. Palmar 4. nooniansoong 8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne) 9. Exo_ 18. ObiWanShinobi 22. n e s s (replaced by NocturneMage) 24. Alakaslam do you not think obi is green checked? if so, why? if you're wrong on 1 tr who is it? | ||
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On January 06 2016 15:18 ExO_ wrote: On my phone. Tomorrow im flying back to Houston, so don't expect lots of activity from me until the following day (or if Im not tired after getting home tomorrow). Im not sure 100% who I think is scum. Since I have to choose today though: kush shining slam and +1. Im really not all that sure for the last slot at all. why shining? fabrication, omgus, inactivity or? | ||
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group 2 is people i have reasons to think they are town, palmar cuz lead mafia lynch + SL read, exo cuz mason stuff + convo in my filter where i had to talk him into mechanically correct play, shining cuz damdred says so, kush cuz SL read + similar reads + aggro questioning group 3 is people i think are scum or have no reason to think are town, slam is scum lynch him, nm is durdling in the past for days on end and producing nothing extremely relevant slightly townier than doing nothing but not town, oo just got nothing to read him town if i have no opinion this late and rarely remember you you're probably just mafia. that took way longer than normal holy shit typing is hard. | ||
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On January 06 2016 23:20 NocturneMage wrote: Some quick thoughts regarding my reads I have so far: I am getting town feeling from Damdred particularly from the way he is reevaluating people, re-evaluating me. His argument and his basis for fakeclaiming Tictock makes sense from a town perspective I think. I think Noon is also town for wanting to push harder on Alakaslam, proven by the fact that GB flipped vanilla scum and did not vote Slam. Alakaslam is for certain mafia (based on my argument that flipped mafia GB sacrificed himself), and for now I will place my vote on him unless I can find someone better. (Mechanically with a cop flip, the godfather is now expendable as is the vig so bussing is still possible.) Palmar is scum though, and I really think he just managed to weasel his way out of the lynch. In spite of what everyone is saying...something just isn't feeling right. And Shining, I took a quick look through your filter, I am also getting a sense of town feeling, similar to your play in Dark Tournament. I am also getting a scum feeling from reading ritoky's reaction to Damdred's initial suggesting why my town game wasn't reflecting in this game. The way ritoky pounced on it looked opportunistic in comparison to how he tried to pounce on me in Fullmetal, the slightest reaction that was non alignment indicative (my reaction to Trfel) he made it so, and here my inactivity in this game cannot be compared to my normal scum meta because it's a larger game (my first one ever), and I'm playing in two games at once (a mistake I won't make again). That is not alignment indicative and his reaction was at best, much less townie than Damdred. The contrast is that Damdred actually presented a basis (casing HTS and getting to work) and ritoky didn't. That might look OMGUS and all but it gives me some caution with ritoky. Now I realise these may look a bit shallow but those are my observations from what I've seen in the little activity/interaction I've had in this game. I admit I'm still reading a load of filters. point 1: i initially gave damdred pushback for calling you scum because i felt from the first filter he linked it was pure activity basis and not so much content; only after the 2nd one did i notice the content being significantly different. you should read it again. point 2: why am i mafia and don't just have a terrible read on you? point 3: "presented basis" such as: shining is town cuz feels like it, palmar is mafia cuz feels like it? this post is kinda mafia meta from NM. if you go read his past games (DB and damdred's filter) the majority of his reads as mafia are extrapolated from the first person. everything begins with me or i and how he is feeling or how people are reading him. as town he actually tends to derive the majority of his reads from association or events within the game. | ||
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On January 06 2016 17:57 Palmar wrote: I really should be in your townreads ritoky. over people who in my mind are pretty much mechanically/procedurally cleared? nah | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:33 ExO_ wrote: walk me through what you're asking here exactly. I know you've talked about it before but walk me through it here the premise you need to accept is this: mafia don't want to risk being 50/50 shot at night or 100/0 shot at night (1st implies 1 of damd/onegu mafia, 2nd implies both). or rather mafia is generally risk averse to put it more simply. if you accept that then here's what follows. damdred and onegu do claim stuffz on TT. TT flips blue, i spend the night blustering a bit like i am going to shoot between the two, damdred encourages me to shoot him or onegu. so that night everything is set up so that (in my mind at least) the mafia team should believe with relative certainty that i am shooting between 1gu and damdred. if that shot is an unfavorable outcome for the mafia team, then they would simply roleblock me. they denied a town kp by lynching TT and denying a second one while potentially saving a teammate is too good of EV for a sensible player to pass up. if me shooting into damdred and 1gu is a favorable outcome aka both are town then it makes perfect sense to leave me unblocked and allow me to shoot a town (and probably subsequently try to ML the other). i thought of this though and mind gamed them, because to me the EV is too high to pass up RBing me if 1 is mafia so basically if i get blocked i confirm at least 1 is mafia, if i don't get blocked i confirm both are town; and so i shoot outside of the two knowing that if block then 1 is mafia, if not block then both are town. | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:51 ExO_ wrote: It relies on you being right about convincing scum you are going to shoot Damdred or Onegu. I don't really remember at this point how everything went down, but are you sure scum would've believed you? Who claimed first, Damdred or Onegu? gu claimed red, tt claimed gs, damdred cc'd gs. i think i am right. | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:58 ExO_ wrote: Onegu claims red check on (and therefore claims cop) on tictock right? Thats what started the entire chain of events? yes On December 30 2015 08:21 Onegu wrote: Red Check on TT | ||
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On January 07 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote: I'm not scum but don't hold your breath for an apology, regardless of your alignment. You've misconstrued and/or misunderstood everything I ever say to you. I say you asked a stupid question because you obviously either didn't understand what I was saying or chose to misrepresent it to fit your narrative of me being scum. I didn't call you stupid. But you did directly decide to curse at me and continually claim I'm trying to tilt you, when the first time was a simple question YOU misunderstood and this time was YOU misunderstanding again. How is that MY fault? if someone is continually misunderstanding you, it is not always entirely their fault there may be some fault in your communication as well. try rephrasing or saying it differently without insults or personal accusations because when you start using those people start reading emotionally or they continue reading but stop comprehending cuz emotions op. if they are still not getting it then it's on their end or intentional. | ||
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On January 07 2016 08:20 Damdred wrote: Meh onegu just seems super town to me. outside of mechanics i kinda agree with this. doesn't onegu tend to actually enjoy being mafia more than town? idk his filter isn't really filled with enjoyment tbh, it kinda trends more toward the pissy/not caring side which is the townier side of when he is inactive if i remember right. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?user=Onegu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=Onegu&page=5 i just see a lot more joy in these games than onegu has in the current one (he is scum in both of these) | ||
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On January 08 2016 02:13 NocturneMage wrote: Final Jeopardy: Starring Ritoky So the category is Night Kills and before I ask the question, I want to present to ritoky a few "exhibits" of information that I found in his filter and in the thread. Exhibit 1: Night 2 Reads - Ritoky (post 3245) + Show Spoiler [Post 3245] + On January 02 2016 11:41 ritoky wrote: what you think of this? town 100%: ritoky coag town 99%: exo_ town 96%: koshi town 95%: holyflare vivax: vivax slightly town pile: obi OO moosy shining no clue and probably not gonna get one: kush mafia list in no order: 1 of: gb or ness/NM palmar slam 1 of: onegu or damdred 1 of: sl or trfel if i am wrong in here (particularly on 1 between onegu/damdred is where i could easily be wrong) then it's probably moosy or kush? Exhibit 2: Day post Day 3 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?page=169#3361 Exhibit 3: Explanation for Nightkill (conversation on page 169, quotes spoilered below) + Show Spoiler [Day 3 Conversation] + On January 03 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote: Like break it down for me you have already said you can't have me in lylo because you will lymch me. But you shoot moosey when a few are telling you he could be town men. So why moosey over me and why not hold the shot to give us an extra lymch you were worried about. On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote: because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now. On January 03 2016 08:13 Damdred wrote: But of you think I'm town why not listen to my read because you should know I'm good at reading moosey. God that read about him not missing the vote as scum blah On January 03 2016 08:13 Damdred wrote: But of you think I'm town why not listen to my read because you should know I'm good at reading moosey. God that read about him not missing the vote as scum blah On January 03 2016 08:15 ritoky wrote: because i was realllllly sure hf was town and i had a lot of faith that he isn't this wrong as town so i trusted his reads the most Exhibit 4: MoosyDoosy Night 2 I have read in between the time ritoky made his list post and the day post for anything Moosy may have posted to examine a town motivation for shooting Moosy or something that might have changed his mind. The only thing I found was this (spoilered.) + Show Spoiler [Posts 3289, 3290] + On January 02 2016 18:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: loool thnx and ur scum <333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 On January 02 2016 18:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: Koshi is town ^^ these are notes for myself when I read through my filter btw On January 02 2016 19:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: honestly it's just about 99.99% sure that i'm town but ok. Exhibit 5: Night 2 Reads - Holyflare (spoilered) This is how Holyflare was trying to direct the kill. + Show Spoiler + On January 02 2016 09:01 Holyflare wrote: They're both probably town there's nothing to work out. Shoot slam please. On January 02 2016 11:21 Holyflare wrote: Slam/GB/Moosy are all good shot targets So here are my questions. (1) You had a slight town read on Moosy and I posted I think most if not all the content on him between the time of your list post and the day post. What changed regarding Moosy to the point you shot him? (2) When Damdred asked you why you shot Moosy, you resorted to your reads between yourself (Exhibit 1) and Holyflare (Exhibit 5). Except that you townread MoosyDoosy, even if slightly. Why would you shoot a townread? (3) When Damdred asked you why you shot Moosy, you said you trusted Holyflare's reads (Exhibits 3 and 5). I tried to cover all pushes and direction by Holyflare from the time Tictock died to the day post. He mentioned Moosy ONCE. He pushed Alakaslam comparatively disporportionately (Exhibit 5). So how did you work out that Holyflare wanted Moosy over Slam dead? This is what you said. And as stated in #2, you townread Moosy. (4) MoosyDoosy's content (Exhibit 4) was either reads or trolling, which is reflective of his general play as town after Day 1, it is known he is not a fan of playing day 1. Do you disagree with this. I look forward to your answers. You are free to wager any amount of money you please. Any currency is accepted. For your sheer amusement you can go ahead and play the Jeopardy music: the gimmick here kinda annoys me tbh. it just makes it more difficult to actually read what you're trying to say, but it makes it very clear to me you have not read what i have been typing for multiple days; so let's try and explain this to you. everything i typed during the night phase i had the gun was wifom. everything. your entire case is from that night phase. ritoky, why was it wifom, that makes no sense? 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On January 08 2016 03:00 NocturneMage wrote: But here's the catch - why did he allude to both HIS reads and Holyflare's reads as the basis AND Why did he say I put all my trust in Holyflare's reads (paraphrasing). Instead - Why didn't he just come out and say "I wanted to say fuck it and shoot an unreadable" Do you see what I am getting at? Do you see why I'm contrasting this to what I saw in Gaiden? i almost always shoot unreadables or afks. go look at me as vigi or any game i am given a gun, i shoot inactives as i believe it is of the most benefit to town in all cases. | ||
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On January 08 2016 05:52 NocturneMage wrote: That's selective reasoning at best. (1) First my case was not just the night, it was also based on your response to Damdred at the daypost. Your response to him at daybreak was to shift responsibility to Holyflare by saying you trusted his reads after considering your own. Since you don't like my formatting in the actual case, let's bring the operative quotes to the front. Damdred wanted you to listen to him but it's not you disregarding him that makes you mafia. That part doesn't even address my question. What makes you mafia is that you disregarded your own reads and stated you trusted Holyflare AFTER saying between myself and HF I arrived at Moosy and Slam. THIS WAS DONE AFTER THE DAYPOST so using WIFOM to defend yourself/discussing Onegu and Damdred is actually irrelevant. Relevant quote. (2) People can wifom the shot as either alignment. I covered that in the previous point so moving on, sorry, that does not make you any more town. (3) You are stating that you chose from a list of 3 Holyflare put out. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Holyflare DID NOT JUST make a list of 3 and this is where you are distorting the facts. He STATED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE NIGHT what his preferences were. Clearly you chose to make the shortlist your focus, and that's called selective reasoning. If you trusted his reads so much why weren't you paying attention to all the information he provided? Finally OMGUS comes from both alignments and characterising it as exclusively mafia actually makes you mafia. you read it, but you didn't comprehend it i think you interpreted it as "i wifomed the shot" not "i wifomed all my posts to make it appear i was shooting where i wasn't". you should read it again or maybe you're just constructing a narrative because you're in a shit spot, i don't really know. so let's try and rephrase this for you but you're gonna find largely the same answer. that read post you're on about? that's not my reads that night.it's a fabircation that's wifom outside of the top block made purely to indicate at the bottom that i think there's a mafia between gu and damdred to imply i am shooting there. again a lot of this is already in my filter, you just selectively dodged around it, none of this is new information. in regards to hf and my reads, hf gave a list of 3 that i took to heart. you can say he exclaimed a preference all you want, hf told me to shoot quite a few people since i announced i had a gun (i can cherrypick other posts of him telling me to shoot other people as well including your slot). i took that list and narrowed it to 2, because gb was posting shit and i figured i can actually get a read on that. between slam and moosy there's not really any separation tbh. slam had done 1 of 3 town tells i have on him but usually does all 3 as town, i told moosy i was going to shoot him and he had a shit reaction. i chose the guy with the shit reaction and was wrong. the omgus calling me mafia probably just makes you mafia because i have a lot of town reads and you're not one of them. you're also cherrypicking pretty heavily to form a narrative that has already been talked about and contort it into a way that makes me look bad. | ||
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i am actually sketched out by damdred the most from this and may actually start rethinking my procedurally confirmed read on him and 1gu as a result. he is kinda leaving his options open on me when i think he should know i am always town. which could be him posturing to side with me or ML me depending on thread sentiment....like he should be REALLY certain i am town at this point. | ||
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On January 08 2016 06:46 The Shining wrote: If you're sketched about damdred, what does that do to your TR of me? Since the basis of it is because Damdred said so. Would that mean he has tmi? Or scum buddies? Or are you just being paranoid? dunno yet, still thinking about it tbh....like if i am just wrong on my read and mafia would take a risk like that, and who would do that.....because i really believe damdred should be at a point on day 3 where he understands i can't be mafia ever, and he should know why. | ||
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On January 08 2016 07:21 The Shining wrote: That's a silly question. You didn't shoot Damdred in full metal, either. you're right, i didn't shoot a claimed veteran when i had no roleblocker alive. in all other mafia games i have shot damdred before night 2 and announced it to him as well. i know because we have discussed swagging on eachother before. but actually that's not even why damdred should know i am town. | ||
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He is the consensus next lynch in the thread, he has done nothing of value all game, his post says he is going to fuck off, his post is long and is clearly pre-planned yet delivered at a point (4 minutes before phase change) which makes no sense, and he didn't die when it seems like everyone but me was here within 10 minutes of the flip. | ||
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On January 09 2016 13:15 nooniansoong wrote: either way, what is the point of pushing him like this? nothing says or does matters anymore have you not been in this game? you realize that like 1 out of 4 claims so far has been real right? why did no one before me (and everyone has posted) even consider the possibility that he was fake considering he claimed minutes before phase change and didn't die? | ||
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On January 10 2016 15:03 ExO_ wrote: Palmar/Ritoky/Kush/Onegu Out of these 3 names, there are 4 scum Said it a couple pages back and I stand by this. I can't believe I'm saying this, but based on today alone I think Kush is the most likely to be town currently. bad list is bad. you ever gonna answer 1gu's question? why do you infer 1 thing from SL's post, but not the other? super out of place OWS read = green check, but palmar is scum palmar is scum palmar is scum -> next day -> palmar is town =/= green check? does inferring both lose you the game cuz not enuf MLs or something? | ||
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On January 10 2016 17:03 The Shining wrote: Still haven't explained what exactly I'm parroting or what makes me scum. But keep yelling I'm scum and I'm sure it'll get you somewhere you're scum because you're scum. parroting has to do with a sudden shift in narrative because of a bad case made, and you taking advantage of said case and really pushing thread narrative in that direction when it is wrong, and you should feel bad if you believe so. | ||
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On January 11 2016 04:13 Damdred wrote: Just been a busy day at work slowly catching up. Well not much to catch up with. There are a couple teams I'm playing with but I might lynch exp today. Rit might be ok to hrm no halftime, we should really be lynching shining today. above 90% certainty he is mafia. | ||
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On January 11 2016 04:25 Damdred wrote: If your town your just being bad rit i will be the first to admit i have made quite a lot of poor decisions this game, but this phase has made me see the game quite clearly. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:01 ExO_ wrote: Then why is he pushing me all day, and now trying to distance himself from it? HOLY SHIT DO YOU NOT SEE THAT CONFIRMED SCUM IS VOTING ON YOU, I WILL NOT VOTE WITH HIM REGARDLESS OF WHAT I THINK OF THE CASE | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:06 ExO_ wrote: I should've believed in my Town Read of you earlier. But NM swayed me. Why wait so long to CC though? I don't understand as doctor/jk you should only claim in lylo.....it is the right play, i was very aggressive in my softing early in the phase and pretty much all game, so in hindsight i probably shoulda just claimed when damdred and kush basically called me the jk in the thread, but the snowballs chance in hell of a save is worth not claiming unless you have to and you guys were making it a shitshow. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:10 ObviousOne wrote: no you fucking hard cc me so town has all the information and 48 hours to deal with it or you fucking are scum, those are the options no, you don't | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:14 ObviousOne wrote: why didn't ritoky hint at his role when vivax claimed jk? "i'll look at his filter" isn't a hint his interactions with vivax were basically nil i baited vivax into getting shot with my list posts constantly leaving him in the vivax category or having asterisks next to his name | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:20 The Shining wrote: Sigh ritokys cc is a lot more believable if done early but this makes sense. The frustration and annoyance over having to out himself is understandable. But I don't understand the motivation behind OO fake claiming then. To draw out a jk claim and go 1-1? Can someone explain that to me? Ritoky scumming me for a bad reason is bad. If directly interacting with scum means you're scum, there's a ton of scum left, which isn't the case. And he tried to soft push me twice iirc. He pulled up a past town game of mine and my last scum game and tried to get Palmar to tell him my play here was similar to my scum game. But he abandoned it when I called him out on it, which is why he was scum to me until he claimed. OO also wanted to lynch GB over slam and said so more than once. That's a negative. it's the direct interaction into literal no read ever that does it; but hey if you help me lynch confirmed mafia i might reconsider. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:22 ObviousOne wrote: youre going to have to use a paragraph to explain that why does my explanation matter, aren't i scum? | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:25 Damdred wrote: You haven't replied at all so I'll ask the thread, Shining, exo, Ritoky etc: if you are hi do you protect the person who fake cc a role because they are going to get shot by scum when they caused that role to get lynched that very day. Defensively that is if i didn't have a gun and a roleblock to set up a complicated play, i was protecting holyflare since he was far and away the most town. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:25 nooniansoong wrote: ritoky you realize if he's jk you are getting lynched... no claim that you are vt fake claiming damdred style. i am never unclaiming, i will not live to see the next day phase. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:34 ObviousOne wrote: the very fact that he's doing it and damdred is defending him is just shaking the foundations of what i thought was rationality how do i get modkilled so he can be voted today instead of tomorrow? y'know there's faking anger cuz your play got blown up, then there's being a dick and abusing the fact that there isn't a banlist. you're doing the latter, which is an asshole move. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:36 ObviousOne wrote: please kindly shut your lying cunt face fuck you. seriously fuck you. i need to step away for 10 minutes or i am going to lose my shit on this guy. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:04 Damdred wrote: SL was super hard sifting cop for a lot of the game and was mega towny why not him or palmar? i legit never thought SL was cop, tbh i spent most of the game thinking it was kush so dunno about the hard softing all game. and i knew i was town and you had shennanied with me both times over essentially the same thought process plus i am confident in my read on you so i am protecting the person i think is most town. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:14 Damdred wrote: There were two instances where SL said that he and onegu always roll changed. Hrm it's interesting And no eco we play the game after this yeah but kush was doing the "i'm not a cop" bit if i remember right which made me think he was. and also i tbh i am a bit surprised i haven't gotten a save on you yet, and it is another factor in why i am kinda considering shining mafia. because you've been a vocal town leader for days and not gotten shot; and in my mind shining is a ML candidate for scum to win the game from; but not while you're alive protecting him....which kinda made me think he's keeping you alive cuz of the deep pocket, but that's a bit wifomy. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://orig13.deviantart.net/6e93/f/2012/339/b/f/b1a4_sandeul_oops__macro_gif_by_catitus-d5n65gw.gif) btw oo, i took no offense to anything you said. don't worry about it. ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/adbRRMlW1njTa/giphy.gif) | ||
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first this: ![[image loading]](http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-10-2016/WE3bl4.gif) then this: On January 11 2016 08:00 Fecalfeast wrote: ObviousOne the Jailkeeper has been lynched! | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:29 The Shining wrote: True. I was stationed in Bremerton and Bangor for a few years and was converted lol i was born in harrison hospital in bremerton, so i feel ya. | ||
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![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/12zdsZG57vTUTS/giphy.gif) it's still good. | ||
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On January 12 2016 18:29 Palmar wrote: In hindsight it was supremely dumb to let you shoot a random townie and claim it was "to confirm onegu and damdred" yo at least i was a decent guy and told him to his face. On December 31 2015 03:52 MoosyDoosy wrote: wtf no talk about lynching me i'm genuinely upset On December 31 2015 03:54 ritoky wrote: i might shoot you, there's that. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/309106/72629846.gif) to ![[image loading]](http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-gulp-hold-breath-holding-breath-jello-jurassic-park-nervous-scared-GIF.gif) i am about a ![[image loading]](http://rs1193.pbsrc.com/albums/aa355/ohhburn/GIF/tumblr_lak7t1GNsW1qagh5k.gif~c200) | ||
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On January 13 2016 10:50 nooniansoong wrote: dude where are you finding all these gifs? i roll deep | ||
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![[image loading]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/26/b9/cb/26b9cbac2c7d4f9ee62757e371f18bcb.jpg) i hope it was fun for you guys too. | ||
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ez meta-read. | ||
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