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nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 02 2016 02:36 GMT

#3241

On January 02 2016 11:34 ritoky wrote:

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cuz exo isn't responding and i think he is the most town of people currently posting outside of exo

Why would you want to talk to someone you think is town?

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

January 02 2016 02:37 GMT

#3242

I mean I don't know if gb is smart enough to base everything of me being mafia on TT flipping mafia and appearing like he was wrong when TT flipped town so maybe I'm wrong on gb and he's just playing badly.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

January 02 2016 02:37 GMT

#3243

Everything off*

GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

January 02 2016 02:41 GMT

#3244

On January 02 2016 11:19 Holyflare wrote:

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I like how you haven't mentioned a single player in this game but me since day 1. You are almost certainly mafia based on your play and choice of posts the past few days. I cannot believe you did not mention TT or BF's posts from n1 once. I just cannot believe.

I don't know what you mean, why should I have to mention any of their posts now?

I've spoke way more that you guys make it sound. I've said I think Exo and SL are town. I've just retracted my scum read on Ness, and you, since, in fact, Tictock flipping town makes all my points against you moot again. I think we should shoot Onegu and discus Damdred tomorrow. If we keep thinking "oh, these guys might be town because it is too suicidal to do as Mafia" we open space to Mafia do anything that they want. Especially, if something is "too suicidal to be coming from Mafia", it turns out to be not suicidal at all, isn't it?

I don't have a good idea about anyone else in the game. I've been skimming a lot through posts. I might take a better look at the thread tomorrow

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 02 2016 02:41 GMT

#3245

what you think of this?

town 100%:
ritoky
coag

town 99%:
exo_

town 96%:
koshi

town 95%:
holyflare

vivax:
vivax

slightly town pile:
obi
OO
moosy
shining

no clue and probably not gonna get one:
kush

mafia list in no order:
1 of: gb or ness/NM
palmar
slam
1 of: onegu or damdred
1 of: sl or trfel

if i am wrong in here (particularly on 1 between onegu/damdred is where i could easily be wrong) then it's probably moosy or kush?

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

January 02 2016 02:44 GMT

#3246

On January 02 2016 10:52 ritoky wrote:
exo, i need you to do this for me:

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i don't care if the list is like 2 or 3 people right now, i would just like to know.

I wouldn't shoot Myself, SL, or (I can't believe i'm saying this) Koshi right now. What I will say think closely about who would be scum based on this flip. Not that it's much help but meh.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

January 02 2016 02:45 GMT

#3247

Game is easy:

Sl/trfel/palmar (red checked by koshi or kush depending)/kush (just look at this post below if he's not cop) +1

On December 30 2015 21:16 nooniansoong wrote:
I'm taking tt being red pretty hard. Second game in a row i too easily towned him.
Bf...I'm conflicted. His logic is so weird. Too weird to be scum maybe?

Here's some self meta for you guys that suspect me. If I were scum there's no way I would have read this whole game.

Basically i like your list

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 02 2016 02:46 GMT

#3248

Where's exp 99 percent come from

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 02 2016 02:47 GMT

#3249

i will seriously fist fight anyone who calls exo scum this game btw, i am sooooo sure on that read.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

January 02 2016 02:47 GMT

#3250

On January 02 2016 11:45 Holyflare wrote:
Game is easy:

Sl/trfel/palmar (red checked by koshi or kush depending)/kush (just look at this post below if he's not cop) +1

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Basically i like your list

Forgot slam he's mafia.

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 02 2016 02:47 GMT

#3251

Hf I'm not scum I'm not cop I'm just better than you.
Get over it dude

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 02 2016 02:48 GMT

#3252

On January 02 2016 11:47 ritoky wrote:
i will seriously fist fight anyone who calls exo scum this game btw, i am sooooo sure on that read.

Help me get there. Why

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

January 02 2016 02:49 GMT

#3253

On January 02 2016 11:47 nooniansoong wrote:
Hf I'm not scum I'm not cop I'm just better than you.
Get over it dude

If it's any consolation I've enjoyed playing with you this game regardless of your alignment, you've been not bad.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

January 02 2016 02:49 GMT

#3254

On January 02 2016 11:48 nooniansoong wrote:

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Help me get there. Why

Presumably the amount of dumb tells and the forcing the masons to prove themselves thing.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 02 2016 02:54 GMT

#3255

On January 02 2016 11:48 nooniansoong wrote:

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Help me get there. Why

read this conversation from a couple nights ago and consider it post-flip

On December 30 2015 18:41 ExO_ wrote:

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On December 30 2015 18:32 ritoky wrote:

On December 30 2015 18:21 ExO_ wrote:

On December 30 2015 18:16 ritoky wrote:

On December 30 2015 18:11 ExO_ wrote:

On December 30 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
exo are you caught up fully with the thread?

For the most part. If I understand correctly:

Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum.

Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him.

I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well.

Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable?

Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by.

If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk.

I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies.

Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened.

Sure, but I was pretty much under the impression TT was a lock yesterday. I find it hard to imagine shenanigans happening again, as well, but I'd rather reduce the risk. I'm 99% on both TT and Palmar and would be okay with a lynch on either of them. I feel like Palmar lynch and shooting TT is safer, but I'm fine with it the other way.

And I feel like in every TL mafia game I play, the logic by the end of a 48 hours period changes quite a bit. People can't stand sitting on the same target all day. I'm incredibly worried somebody is going to out-think themselves and we switch targets to another stupid target :/

there's a couple more posts not in the quote chain if you wanna go back and look at those too, but this discussion and me having to basically talk him into what seemed like a mechanical auto-lynch; plus the reasonable pushback he gave me (in hindsight) makes me think he is SUPER town.

and if you're going to say "he could be doing it from a TMI perspective"; i just say no, i REALLY don't think so from tone, legitimacy of concern, feelings of honesty and the effort of response.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 02 2016 02:54 GMT

#3256

and yes the masons stuff too

sicklucker

Canada16986 Posts

January 02 2016 03:00 GMT

#3257

ritoky acualy definitely hold your shot. two reasons

Your reads are shit
If a vig's shot is roleblocked they do NOT get the bullet back.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 02 2016 03:01 GMT

#3258

which ones are shit?

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

January 02 2016 03:02 GMT

#3259

Oh wise SL do tell us your new reads now that I can't be mafia for any of the reasons you said before.

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 02 2016 03:05 GMT

#3260

ritoky..
Still not getting why that conversation is town. Can you explain it like I'm five?

The dumbtell.. he made masons prove they are masons. So? Scum know they are supposed to be suspicious. I think he was being overly and artificially suspicious if anything.

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