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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 03:21 GMT
#3261
On January 02 2016 12:05 nooniansoong wrote:
ritoky..
Still not getting why that conversation is town. Can you explain it like I'm five?

The dumbtell.. he made masons prove they are masons. So? Scum know they are supposed to be suspicious. I think he was being overly and artificially suspicious if anything.


1) He confirms he has read the thread, and identifies that he understands that TT has been red checked and counterclaimed for his role.
2) Even though he understands that someone has been red checked and CC'd he wants to lynch Palmar because his dead TRs said so and would rather have a vigi (me) shoot TT.
3) I then explain to him why mechanically it makes no sense because 1 is from a source of definitive information (lulz) and the other is from a source of indefinite information.
4) He still resists saying he prefers palmar, and tries to justify why the alternative is bettter.
5) Amidst all of his explanation he has a underlying paranoia that another shennanie will happen if the lynch is on TT and that someone who he doesn't want lynched will get lynched so he would rather just lynch Palmar who is the person he wants.

Why does this shit make him town?
#1 pushback against a mechanically simple play, rather than accept something that at the time was accepted as fact he elects to push back. mafia are more apt to take the free lynch and not quibble a whole lot.
#2 illogical fear of shennanigans doesn't feel like it comes from mafia
#3 discussing alternatives when no one else was is a town trait. the thread had largely shut itself down to any other lynch.
#4 wanting palmar lynched and tt shot dumb tell
#5 quick and thought out responses that felt like they came from a place on honest concern. timers on responses: 11 mins, 5 mins, 9 mins. considering the amount he typed for each, i doubt as mafia he is that good at faking that much content that quickly and sounding that good.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 02 2016 03:22 GMT
#3262
I looked in the op doesn't say if shots are refunded or not where do you get that from sl?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 03:23 GMT
#3263
the rest of my read is tonal and the way i felt as he was pushing back on me even though i felt i was thoroughly explaining to him why we should lynch a red checked and cc'd player and was getting progressively more confused why he wasn't understanding.

and unlike you i do buy the masons thing to a degree.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 03:24 GMT
#3264
On January 02 2016 12:22 Damdred wrote:
I looked in the op doesn't say if shots are refunded or not where do you get that from sl?


4th line from the bottom, 1st post.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 02 2016 03:26 GMT
#3265
Kk I missed it

100% jk should protect rit so we don't lose the gun and just keep doing it until we get the rb.

Or rit wifoms scum I'll leave that to him.

ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 03:28 GMT
#3266
this is correct right?

On January 02 2016 09:37 ritoky wrote:
19 players - 14-5

if shoot worst case:
10 - 5 after N2
9 - 5 after D3
7 - 5 after N3
6 - 5 After D4 -> lost unless save

if not shoot worst case:
11 - 5 after N2
10 - 5 after D3
8 - 5 after N3
7 - 5 after D4
6 - 5 after N4

so missing costs us a ML right? can someone confirm?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 02 2016 03:37 GMT
#3267
On January 02 2016 12:21 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 12:05 nooniansoong wrote:
ritoky..
Still not getting why that conversation is town. Can you explain it like I'm five?

The dumbtell.. he made masons prove they are masons. So? Scum know they are supposed to be suspicious. I think he was being overly and artificially suspicious if anything.


1) He confirms he has read the thread, and identifies that he understands that TT has been red checked and counterclaimed for his role.
2) Even though he understands that someone has been red checked and CC'd he wants to lynch Palmar because his dead TRs said so and would rather have a vigi (me) shoot TT.
3) I then explain to him why mechanically it makes no sense because 1 is from a source of definitive information (lulz) and the other is from a source of indefinite information.
4) He still resists saying he prefers palmar, and tries to justify why the alternative is bettter.
5) Amidst all of his explanation he has a underlying paranoia that another shennanie will happen if the lynch is on TT and that someone who he doesn't want lynched will get lynched so he would rather just lynch Palmar who is the person he wants.

Why does this shit make him town?
#1 pushback against a mechanically simple play, rather than accept something that at the time was accepted as fact he elects to push back. mafia are more apt to take the free lynch and not quibble a whole lot.
#2 illogical fear of shennanigans doesn't feel like it comes from mafia
#3 discussing alternatives when no one else was is a town trait. the thread had largely shut itself down to any other lynch.
#4 wanting palmar lynched and tt shot dumb tell
#5 quick and thought out responses that felt like they came from a place on honest concern. timers on responses: 11 mins, 5 mins, 9 mins. considering the amount he typed for each, i doubt as mafia he is that good at faking that much content that quickly and sounding that good.


1. All this sounds like an easy way for Exo to contribute while not having to scumhunt. Scum can discuss mechanics like anybody else.
Why does it matter to scum which of palmar or exo gets lynched and which gets shot? It doesn't So he picks what he thinks looks townier.

2. Illogical fear is scummy. It's illogical. It doesn't make sense. It's fake.

3. He did it because he thought it was an easy way to look town.

4. Don't see why that is townie.

5. He wasn't coming up with scumreads so it wasn't hard for him.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 03:45 GMT
#3268
On January 02 2016 12:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 12:21 ritoky wrote:
On January 02 2016 12:05 nooniansoong wrote:
ritoky..
Still not getting why that conversation is town. Can you explain it like I'm five?

The dumbtell.. he made masons prove they are masons. So? Scum know they are supposed to be suspicious. I think he was being overly and artificially suspicious if anything.


1) He confirms he has read the thread, and identifies that he understands that TT has been red checked and counterclaimed for his role.
2) Even though he understands that someone has been red checked and CC'd he wants to lynch Palmar because his dead TRs said so and would rather have a vigi (me) shoot TT.
3) I then explain to him why mechanically it makes no sense because 1 is from a source of definitive information (lulz) and the other is from a source of indefinite information.
4) He still resists saying he prefers palmar, and tries to justify why the alternative is bettter.
5) Amidst all of his explanation he has a underlying paranoia that another shennanie will happen if the lynch is on TT and that someone who he doesn't want lynched will get lynched so he would rather just lynch Palmar who is the person he wants.

Why does this shit make him town?
#1 pushback against a mechanically simple play, rather than accept something that at the time was accepted as fact he elects to push back. mafia are more apt to take the free lynch and not quibble a whole lot.
#2 illogical fear of shennanigans doesn't feel like it comes from mafia
#3 discussing alternatives when no one else was is a town trait. the thread had largely shut itself down to any other lynch.
#4 wanting palmar lynched and tt shot dumb tell
#5 quick and thought out responses that felt like they came from a place on honest concern. timers on responses: 11 mins, 5 mins, 9 mins. considering the amount he typed for each, i doubt as mafia he is that good at faking that much content that quickly and sounding that good.


1. All this sounds like an easy way for Exo to contribute while not having to scumhunt. Scum can discuss mechanics like anybody else.
Why does it matter to scum which of palmar or exo gets lynched and which gets shot? It doesn't So he picks what he thinks looks townier.

2. Illogical fear is scummy. It's illogical. It doesn't make sense. It's fake.

3. He did it because he thought it was an easy way to look town.

4. Don't see why that is townie.

5. He wasn't coming up with scumreads so it wasn't hard for him.


1. You don't read his posts as real conviction in wanting things to be done his way? I do, and it matters because I think palmar is scum and he wanted scum lynched before flipped blue.
2. Disagree, paranoia about shennanies happening on a red checked and cc'd person is the kinda fear that isn't scummy to me.
3. Could be.
4. Agree to disagree.
5. faking legitimacy takes time
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 02 2016 03:55 GMT
#3269
On January 02 2016 12:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 12:21 ritoky wrote:
On January 02 2016 12:05 nooniansoong wrote:
ritoky..
Still not getting why that conversation is town. Can you explain it like I'm five?

The dumbtell.. he made masons prove they are masons. So? Scum know they are supposed to be suspicious. I think he was being overly and artificially suspicious if anything.


1) He confirms he has read the thread, and identifies that he understands that TT has been red checked and counterclaimed for his role.
2) Even though he understands that someone has been red checked and CC'd he wants to lynch Palmar because his dead TRs said so and would rather have a vigi (me) shoot TT.
3) I then explain to him why mechanically it makes no sense because 1 is from a source of definitive information (lulz) and the other is from a source of indefinite information.
4) He still resists saying he prefers palmar, and tries to justify why the alternative is bettter.
5) Amidst all of his explanation he has a underlying paranoia that another shennanie will happen if the lynch is on TT and that someone who he doesn't want lynched will get lynched so he would rather just lynch Palmar who is the person he wants.

Why does this shit make him town?
#1 pushback against a mechanically simple play, rather than accept something that at the time was accepted as fact he elects to push back. mafia are more apt to take the free lynch and not quibble a whole lot.
#2 illogical fear of shennanigans doesn't feel like it comes from mafia
#3 discussing alternatives when no one else was is a town trait. the thread had largely shut itself down to any other lynch.
#4 wanting palmar lynched and tt shot dumb tell
#5 quick and thought out responses that felt like they came from a place on honest concern. timers on responses: 11 mins, 5 mins, 9 mins. considering the amount he typed for each, i doubt as mafia he is that good at faking that much content that quickly and sounding that good.


1. All this sounds like an easy way for Exo to contribute while not having to scumhunt. Scum can discuss mechanics like anybody else.
Why does it matter to scum which of palmar or exo gets lynched and which gets shot? It doesn't So he picks what he thinks looks townier.

2. Illogical fear is scummy. It's illogical. It doesn't make sense. It's fake.

3. He did it because he thought it was an easy way to look town.

4. Don't see why that is townie.

5. He wasn't coming up with scumreads so it wasn't hard for him.


I think I've done more scum hunting than you have. Esp. on day 1 you were largely out of the picture. The idea that I'm somehow scum out of this is more tinfoil hatty than any theory I've come up with so far this game
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 02 2016 03:56 GMT
#3270
From this exchange I have confirmed ritoky is town but still don't agree on Exo.
I don't think conviction is hard to fake.
#1 about palmar is a bad thing to base a read on because is making the assumptions that palmar is scum and that scum isn't busing.

nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 02 2016 03:58 GMT
#3271
On January 02 2016 12:55 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 12:37 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 02 2016 12:21 ritoky wrote:
On January 02 2016 12:05 nooniansoong wrote:
ritoky..
Still not getting why that conversation is town. Can you explain it like I'm five?

The dumbtell.. he made masons prove they are masons. So? Scum know they are supposed to be suspicious. I think he was being overly and artificially suspicious if anything.


1) He confirms he has read the thread, and identifies that he understands that TT has been red checked and counterclaimed for his role.
2) Even though he understands that someone has been red checked and CC'd he wants to lynch Palmar because his dead TRs said so and would rather have a vigi (me) shoot TT.
3) I then explain to him why mechanically it makes no sense because 1 is from a source of definitive information (lulz) and the other is from a source of indefinite information.
4) He still resists saying he prefers palmar, and tries to justify why the alternative is bettter.
5) Amidst all of his explanation he has a underlying paranoia that another shennanie will happen if the lynch is on TT and that someone who he doesn't want lynched will get lynched so he would rather just lynch Palmar who is the person he wants.

Why does this shit make him town?
#1 pushback against a mechanically simple play, rather than accept something that at the time was accepted as fact he elects to push back. mafia are more apt to take the free lynch and not quibble a whole lot.
#2 illogical fear of shennanigans doesn't feel like it comes from mafia
#3 discussing alternatives when no one else was is a town trait. the thread had largely shut itself down to any other lynch.
#4 wanting palmar lynched and tt shot dumb tell
#5 quick and thought out responses that felt like they came from a place on honest concern. timers on responses: 11 mins, 5 mins, 9 mins. considering the amount he typed for each, i doubt as mafia he is that good at faking that much content that quickly and sounding that good.


1. All this sounds like an easy way for Exo to contribute while not having to scumhunt. Scum can discuss mechanics like anybody else.
Why does it matter to scum which of palmar or exo gets lynched and which gets shot? It doesn't So he picks what he thinks looks townier.

2. Illogical fear is scummy. It's illogical. It doesn't make sense. It's fake.

3. He did it because he thought it was an easy way to look town.

4. Don't see why that is townie.

5. He wasn't coming up with scumreads so it wasn't hard for him.


I think I've done more scum hunting than you have. Esp. on day 1 you were largely out of the picture. The idea that I'm somehow scum out of this is more tinfoil hatty than any theory I've come up with so far this game


Do you think I'm scum?

I don't say you are scum because of this. I say you aren't town. So I dont understand what's tinfoily about it.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 02 2016 03:59 GMT
#3272
Clarification to my earlier post: My angle is that ritoky shouldn't be scumreading you for that, not that you are scum because of that.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 02 2016 04:01 GMT
#3273
*ritoky sohuldn't be townreading you for that
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 02 2016 04:17 GMT
#3274
On January 02 2016 12:22 Damdred wrote:
I looked in the op doesn't say if shots are refunded or not where do you get that from sl?


from the op
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 02 2016 04:18 GMT
#3275
On January 02 2016 12:26 Damdred wrote:
Kk I missed it

100% jk should protect rit so we don't lose the gun and just keep doing it until we get the rb.

Or rit wifoms scum I'll leave that to him.



ya thats probably correct. hes also a likely nk
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 04:24 GMT
#3276
sl you gonna tell me which of my reads is shit?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 02 2016 04:25 GMT
#3277
you called me and gb scum
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 04:25 GMT
#3278
On January 02 2016 12:59 nooniansoong wrote:
Clarification to my earlier post: My angle is that ritoky shouldn't be scumreading you for that, not that you are scum because of that.


who should i be town reading that i am not? (yourself excluded)
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 04:27 GMT
#3279
On January 02 2016 13:25 sicklucker wrote:
you called me and gb scum


why is gb town? cuz he thinks hf is mafia?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 02 2016 04:27 GMT
#3280
kinda not that i really think hf is mafia anymore
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