On January 02 2016 13:25 ritoky wrote:
who should i be town reading that i am not? (yourself excluded)
who should i be town reading that i am not? (yourself excluded)
Palmar ,not sure who else
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nooniansoong
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On January 02 2016 13:25 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2016 12:59 nooniansoong wrote: Clarification to my earlier post: My angle is that ritoky shouldn't be scumreading you for that, not that you are scum because of that. who should i be town reading that i am not? (yourself excluded) Palmar ,not sure who else | ||
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Trfel
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On January 02 2016 13:31 nooniansoong wrote: Why are you townreading Palmar?Show nested quote + On January 02 2016 13:25 ritoky wrote: On January 02 2016 12:59 nooniansoong wrote: Clarification to my earlier post: My angle is that ritoky shouldn't be scumreading you for that, not that you are scum because of that. who should i be town reading that i am not? (yourself excluded) Palmar ,not sure who else | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
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On January 02 2016 14:34 ExO_ wrote: Why in the world are you town reading palmar? Both Artanis/rayn were reading palmar as scum. His play this game makes me think he's scum. Elaborate pls? | ||
Trfel
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On January 02 2016 16:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Do you have a read on Palmar yet?Show nested quote + On January 02 2016 14:34 ExO_ wrote: Why in the world are you town reading palmar? Both Artanis/rayn were reading palmar as scum. His play this game makes me think he's scum. Elaborate pls? | ||
MoosyDoosy
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On January 02 2016 08:01 Fecalfeast wrote: Alakaslam and moosydoosy have been warned for failure to vote. ha classic me and master Chupazi also holyflare i figured out you were lying c;;; | ||
MoosyDoosy
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On December 31 2015 03:45 Damdred wrote: I think even though statistically I didn't make the right play, it hurts my heart being called retarded. So much for that I guess. Moosey my moosey don't worry if you talk to me and tell me what you think of people I'm sure I can white knight you to the end. Also to SL could you point me to the tt post you thought was so towny un the last few minutes of day to get you to not change back. is holyflare scum? | ||
MoosyDoosy
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On December 30 2015 12:36 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 30 2015 12:31 ObviousOne wrote: any filters people want me to pay attention to? Nooniansong. Palmar was talked about and scummed by Artanis before NK. BF was recently talked about if you want to weigh in on that. Moosy is always fun if you want to say WTF to yourself multiple times. K I'm out loool thnx and ur scum <333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 | ||
MoosyDoosy
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^^ these are notes for myself when I read through my filter btw | ||
Trfel
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MoosyDoosy
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On January 02 2016 18:58 Trfel wrote: MoosyDoosy, why is The Shining mafia? o/ hi old bud. Felt appeasing as all hell. | ||
MoosyDoosy
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On December 30 2015 21:09 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On December 30 2015 18:09 ritoky wrote: On December 30 2015 13:33 ObviousOne wrote: and finally regarding moosy and his also-suidical level of play i say we have someone with a gun shoot him or we just pretend he doesn't exist. it's dawning on my how many people are giving so few fucks in a non-banlist game, the last time i was in this scenario was a caller game where everyone had guns. Can you post some reads you feel strongly about? Even if they are TRs. I would like something that isn't maybe this, maybe that. Why would you prefer an afk be shot instead of someone who you scum read? And why moosy over BF/slam/ness anything in particular distinguish 1 of the unengaged over the other? slam is prob town koshi is prob town gb feels different from how he was in haunted mansion mini (where he was town) but not necessarily in a scum way, and i like his war with HF which makes me think town ness prob town moosy SHOULD be considered mafia for his behavior which is why he should be shot. we don't waste a lynch where we get no real information and the game gets more solvable no idea how to read hf, too much post not gonna bother unless its absolutely necessary ows filter feels like it's full of air, so much oneliner stuff, striking me as someone who is providing commentary rather than content. need to reread after a few more flips. honestly it's just about 99.99% sure that i'm town but ok. | ||
Trfel
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Town Damdred + Show Spoiler + Tone read and meta read. Either way, his alignment will be resolved soon enough. If he is town (which I'm pretty sure he is), he'll force mafia to shoot him. If not, he's mafia. ExO_ + Show Spoiler + Seems very emotional and invested in the game, and has a lot of strange theories. I should probably look through his filter more carefully at some point, but now isn't the time. Koshi + Show Spoiler + Feels like town due to effort. Again, if he's town mafia will be forced to shoot him. ritoky + Show Spoiler + Eh, I'm bored of writing about townreads. I don't really know why he's town, but he is. I think. Kinda. Anyway. Coagulation Town Lean Holyflare + Show Spoiler + His filter is too long for me to read through completely, but I feel that Holyflare is town. The main reason for this is that his posting tone/direction has changed over the course of the game, and it felt like it changed at a time that was town-motivated, not at a time that was mafia-motivated. For now, anyway. Onegu + Show Spoiler + His tone feels a bit relaxed and free, which seems more like his town play than his mafia play. But I really don't think that mafia would claim a red check just because they feel like it, that gains a ton of extra attention and is a ton of risk (the best result being killing someone who was already lynchbait). Furthermore, his afk since claiming the red check makes me feel that this play wouldn't be from mafia!Onegu doing it purely for the fun factor, as Onegu loves playing scum and I'd feel like he'd want to be posting while he was "confirmed" town due to his claim. sicklucker + Show Spoiler + I like how he started out the game with a scumread on Holyflare. This doesn't feel like something that mafia would be inclined to do. Sicklucker seems to genuinely care about the game, one example being how adamant he was about not lynching Vivax until later. MoosyDoosy + Show Spoiler + If he were mafia, he would play more seriously, and he wouldn't have risked not voting. At least, I think, anyway. GlowingBear + Show Spoiler + GlowingBear's posting has felt genuine, and there's a drive to solve the game. Both raynpelikoneet and rsoultin had him at fairly confident townreads when they died. If I have more time, I'll look more closely at his filter. In general, GlowingBear's constant suspicions of Holyflare seemed towny (not necessarily due to the reasoning itself, but the way that he pursued it). The Shining + Show Spoiler + I'm not so sure about this read. The Shining's posting feels more free this game, like his town play, and his posts seem to be trying to solve the game. However, his reaction to the Day 2 flip was underwhelming, he didn't seem to respond at all to his reads being wrong. Furthermore, his play dropped off significantly, but that's not necessarily mafia-indicative. Overall I still feel like he's town, but I'm not very confident. Vivax + Show Spoiler + I'm tired. Vivax is here primarily for filter length, as Vivax is generally rather inactive as mafia. Alakaslam + Show Spoiler + Still tired. Tone read. Mafia Lean ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler + He's just.... not doing anything at all. He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game. One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between. Palmar + Show Spoiler + Palmar's play this game is very serious. This is strange, because in general, Palmar plays seriously as mafia and does random things and generally doesn't care that much when he is town. For example, see Mini Mafia Down Under 2, where Palmar has a conversation with at least one other Palmar, perhaps two. Instead of playing the game. He was town. And Gaiden 2, where Palmar started out with a very confident scumread of justanothertownie, and keeps pushing this read to ridiculous extremes. After dropping this read, Palmar's activity also drops off. Compare this to Palmar's mafia play. See Completely Normal Generic Mini Mafia, for example, where Palmar starts with a few jokes, and then plays the game in a "normal" fashion. Which Palmar basically never does as town. To clarify, it's not necessarily the effort that Palmar puts in, but the way he goes about it. And the way he plays the game here is from a more serious mindset, much more like Palmar's mafia play than his town play. Anyway, meta aside... Palmar starts the game by townreading ExO_ and Koshi, and being suspicious of kushm4sta/nooniansoong. He eventually says that nooniansoong is a fine lynch, and then decides to sheep raynpelikoneet on Tictock without really caring about his previous read on nooniansoong. On December 29 2015 19:35 Palmar wrote: Just noticed this. If Palmar is willing to direct power roles, is he really suggesting that the cop should claim a green check to save him from being lynched?!?! That's a really bad idea. While at the same time saying that he's trustworthy enough to get a gun?Don't worry, apparently I'm mafia and I have no credit in the thread. Btw, because I'm already scummy. I'm going to direct blues for a bit. Gunsmiths: it's super duper important you give your guns to non-retards. Give them to people who know how to use vigilante roles. Here's a guide for those who want to become good vigilantes: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/232671-how-to-play-vigilante-and-how-to-play-cop Also, because I'm tired of everyone's shit, I wouldn't mind getting cop checked at all. I normally say it's a waste but I might not have the energy to argue myself out of a lynch this game (and the deadline is literally at 23:00 new year's eve my time... so I will be drunk and playing with fireworks instead of playing mafia). Palmar simply hasn't done that much. By far the biggest thing he did was the Artanis scumread. I'm not positive on Palmar's alignment, but he is very suspicious. Mafia nooniansoong + Show Spoiler + Or kushm4sta, whichever you prefer. I'm just going to go through and mention everything that I think is important, I'll summarize at the end. + Show Spoiler + On December 27 2015 10:57 nooniansoong wrote: Hi everybody. I'm a kush smurf. This game I am going to try hard to work on read accuracy. I just did a quick read through. Exo gave me mafia feels in his few posts, but that doesn't mean much. I liked hf's first post. Then ness said he needed to write a lot in defense. Ness, I urge you to write as little as possible while still honestly addressing hf's concerns. On December 28 2015 00:51 nooniansoong wrote: Where did his earlier reads go, or were they really not worth mentioning? And why did he mention them, then? Note that he gave advice to both N e s s and ExO_, his only suspicions at this point in the thread.Hi again guys. It's kush, checking in. I have been reading/skimming/skipping rayns posts, but I haven't had the time to close read anything. Some people are talking too much. Right now I have zero reads. I realize I am a null read at best, and if you want to lynch me I won't stand in your way. I am also signed up for the newbie game so I won't be mafialess for long. Don't get me wrong, I do want to play in this game. I simply don't have the time to keep up with 20 people's spam. Expect reads from me d2 at the latest. Thank you for your time, Kush At this point, the vote count was 5 votes for Vivax and 3 votes for Tictock. Nooniansoong's read on Tictock: On December 28 2015 06:04 nooniansoong wrote: TT was very try hard as mafia last game. I suppose his play could be scum feeling mafia fatigue. I think he is more likely low effort town. On December 28 2015 06:14 nooniansoong wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2015 06:09 Holyflare wrote: On December 28 2015 06:04 nooniansoong wrote: TT was very try hard as mafia last game. I suppose his play could be scum feeling mafia fatigue. I think he is more likely low effort town. So what you're saying is you're mafia with TMI I based my read on two pieces of information. 1 He played try hard scum last game. I was in that game with him and I remember it very well. 2 I read his filter this game and it looks much lower effort than his mafia game. I don't think it's tmi. On December 28 2015 06:31 nooniansoong wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote: On December 28 2015 06:14 nooniansoong wrote: On December 28 2015 06:09 Holyflare wrote: On December 28 2015 06:04 nooniansoong wrote: TT was very try hard as mafia last game. I suppose his play could be scum feeling mafia fatigue. I think he is more likely low effort town. So what you're saying is you're mafia with TMI I based my read on two pieces of information. 1 He played try hard scum last game. I was in that game with him and I remember it very well. 2 I read his filter this game and it looks much lower effort than his mafia game. I don't think it's tmi. And then you said he could be burnt out and made the leap to him being town instead...? There is no leap. His activity points to two options: burnt out scum or town. Which of those he is, I do not know. However, I do not think his lack of activity and the emptiness of his posts is a scumtell, due to his last scumgame. That is what most people are basing the scumread on. Is he burnt out scum or town? If his behavior doesn't point to one being more likely than the other, than it is more likely he is town, simply because town is the more abundant role. On December 28 2015 06:59 nooniansoong wrote: Nooniansoong doesn't seem to care about Tictock's alignment at all, the most common thing that he says is that Tictock could be scum or town, but he isn't sure which.@rayn the game was nutcracker. @hf it's not a leap precisely because i dont have a view on all the other players in the game. Objectively town is more abundant. that is a fact before reads. On December 28 2015 06:19 nooniansoong wrote: And after this he says he has no scum reads. Nooniansoong proceeds to question sicklucker a bit, and then says that ObiWanShinobi looks bad for similar reasons to why Tictock looks bad (which he doesn't think makes Tictock look bad). Which again says nothing and shows no interest in the game.I am going to put my vote down on palmar. It's a quasi-placeholder vote. Palmar is missing d1 and according to his meta he is a d1 player. I think he's going to be unreadable regardless of his alignment so he's a good policy lynch. And all of this time, he hasn't said a single thing about the leading wagon, Vivax, despite making many posts that don't say anything. On December 28 2015 12:39 nooniansoong wrote: Here he says that his vote on Palmar is a policy lynch, and implies that he wants to policy lynch.Show nested quote + On December 28 2015 12:29 ritoky wrote: On December 28 2015 12:23 nooniansoong wrote: On December 28 2015 12:19 ritoky wrote: On December 28 2015 12:11 nooniansoong wrote: Why does tt look bad? Ask the people who are scumreading him. I believe, ows, you said tts posts are empty..something like that. Your posts are pretty empty too. Your content is similar to tt in its length and depth. So you can understand why artanis is voting ows and you think it is similar, you find them both empty posters and you're just content to let them do fuck all for what reason? Since apparently you don't scum read either of them Why does null reading someone equate to being content to let them do fuck all? prior to your post while I was typing mine you hadn't engaged either when both are here to get a read plus you're not pushing for anything. From what I remember you're default sitting on palmar and content to let people fuck off. I don't have a scumread to push. I engage people when it is convenient. My vote for palmar is a vote for a policy lynch. It can be interchanged with about a dozen other players. I think he is a good policy lynch but it's not super important to me. On December 28 2015 12:40 nooniansoong wrote: And here, he's saying that he wants to come back so that he can answer questions, not to come back so that he can solve the game and lynch mafia. Despite saying that he's willing to be lynched, he seems much more apologetic than interested in finding mafia.Apologizes for not consolidating this post but goodnight all. I will try to get to any questions at lunch tomorrow in approximately 13 hours. By the time that nooniansoong returns, Palmar has made several more posts. He says that ExO_ is town for a tinfoil hat theory about the mason claims, and says that he might want to lynch nooniansoong. There's also a post that can be sort of interpreted to be a townread on Koshi. Nooniansoong responds as follows: On December 28 2015 21:24 nooniansoong wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2015 21:21 ExO_ wrote: On December 28 2015 21:15 nooniansoong wrote: On December 28 2015 21:10 ExO_ wrote: On December 28 2015 21:08 Palmar wrote: On December 28 2015 21:05 ExO_ wrote: On December 28 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote: On December 28 2015 20:57 ExO_ wrote: On December 28 2015 20:25 Palmar wrote: On December 28 2015 20:19 ExO_ wrote: [quote] We talking about the flying cows post? Or perhaps the one about the spiders dancing for the Queen of England, before eating her alive! Oh wait, just like the post with your solid thinking, none of those exist. Just because I'm a nice guy (really...) On December 28 2015 18:50 Palmar wrote: Exo is probably town. Also, I've read about 10 posts in the thread now and checked a few filter lengths. I'm glad rayn is playing and HF has a shorter than expected filter. But I haven't really read anything from either of them yet. The reason I'm giving exo a maybe townread is his tinfoil hat theory regarding the mason claims. Most players who construct convoluted conspiracy theories, end up being townies. (If Exo is mafia, he would already know whether or not one or more of the mason claimers are mafia, so creating a theory becomes both more difficult, and it would make him worry about appearing to have extra information). The idea here is that I called you town and gave a reason for it. For the sake of this exercise let's consider you town, because otherwise this is a pointless effort. So as a townie, you have just been called town by someone, your job is now to figure out: a) Did Palmar want to call me town and made up some excuse to do it b) Did Palmar see something he found interesting, and made a conclusion based on the evidence These are really the only two options, you either believe the reason I gave for giving you a "maybe townread", or you don't. Ticktock probably reached the conclusion that my train of thought is genuine, that I actually believe you wouldn't come up with the theory you came up with as mafia, and thus my post was sincere. Now, interestingly, it's my job to try to figure out if Ticktock genuinely liked my post, or if he just saw me post something with some reasoning and decided to call me town for it because he wanted to do that anyway. I think it's a really easy read. What's interesting to me is you mention what went down with rsoultin/coag and the masons. So clearly you've read the thread. However you've only townread me so far, which is a pretty easy call to make at this point. Which makes me think you're trying to get town points for town reading me, when in reality it was a very easy thing to do. Town reading me can't be the only thing you have to offer. There's nothing particularly insightful about going along with what the rest of the thread has said before you. Any other thoughts, any scum reads? So far I think you look far more scummy trying to win a bit of town cred, than a late-to-the-party townie trying to solve the game. I haven't read the thread. I've skimmed like 2 filters and read these last 2-3 pages. To be honest I don't believe you. If you were skimming around the part where I went off on rsoultin/coag you should know that I've been town read by most everyone. That being the case, it'd be easy to call me town, and what I said about trying to get town cred for making a townie read that everyone else has already made holds true. I had no idea anyone else called you town. If you want a full disclosure on how I obtained the read on you it was like this: I respect rayn as a player so I clicked his filter and went right to his last page. on the top of page 8 of rayn's filter there is a conversation that involves all the required knowledge for me to draw the conclusions I have drawn (both about coag/rsoultin being the masons, and the evidence I used to draw the conclusion you might be town). You'll get no town cred from me, scum Why scum rather than null? The progression of our conversation just now: Palmar hasn't been around at all for this game so far Enters the thread by by town reading me, specifically for the masons incident with rsoultin/coag Claims he hasn't read any of the thread and that had no idea anybody else town read me I'm not sure I believe his claim that he's read so little, or that he had no idea anybody else townread me. I think he's lying, and therefore I think he's scum. So you think he read a lot and is saying he didn't read anything because it makes him look townier? Really? Not reading the thread is very believable to me. On December 28 2015 23:32 nooniansoong wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2015 23:02 Palmar wrote: Although I<script id="gpt-impl-0.3554030756292448" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script>'m annoyed kush hasn't responded to me about why he implied to exo that I should be a null read. I don't know what you are looking for here but okay... I didn't think you had done anything that warrented a scumread. You read a filter and called someone town from what you read. You approached the game in the same way I would if I were in your position of having 60 unread pages. So Exo's sudden scumread of you seemed inappropriate, and I wanted to get a better idea of what logic he was basing it on. I suppose I can understand Exo thinking you might be scum playing dumb in order to excuse yourself from having to look townie. On December 29 2015 00:46 nooniansoong wrote: He's not saying that Palmar is town, it seems that his read switched because he wanted to lynch an inactive player and Palmar was posting. He also says that Vivax is just as scummy as all of the other inactives:My vote on palmar is definitely bad now that he has showed up, but I don't know who to change it to yet. Alaka for now. On December 29 2015 00:08 nooniansoong wrote: But decides to vote for Alakaslam instead of Vivax, no explanation given.Show nested quote + On December 28 2015 23:58 Holyflare wrote: On December 28 2015 23:56 Vivax wrote: On December 28 2015 23:31 Holyflare wrote: I think we just lynch the people that blindly didn't want to lynch vivax a while ago, that is guaranteed mafia. As for names I'll find them. That would make them mafia why? Are you going to lynch anyone who wasnt your bitch? Eradicate some intelligence from this game? Well if perchance you are town then the people that aren't following a good case of vivax does shit all as mafia early in the game and we should pressure him generally have TMI and are mafia themselves, there is 0 reason to not form a wagon on you to make you do stuff unless they are scared to look out of place and are mafia. Well there is SL's argument that he is easier to read as the game progresses. Then there is someone else's argument that low activity is not scum indicative for vivax, since he has been known to play like that as town. Which makes him only as scummy as all the other inactives. Nooniansoong then questions Holyflare and The Shining, and ends up saying that Vivax and Holyflare are both town. At this point, nooniansoong is opposed to the Tictock wagon, which is by far the biggest, and his vote is still on a policy lynch. He doesn't seem to care at all. He returns after the lynch, saying that he really wanted to see Tictock flip. This doesn't make sense at all, this feels very mafia motivated to let town flail wildly while just not caring. From this point, nooniansoong's play changes a bit, and he seems to play with a direction of trying to solve the game. On December 30 2015 04:07 nooniansoong wrote: He ends up with this scum list, which doesn't appear to be extremely thorough, and then has a town lean on boxerfred and defends Palmar from Artanis. He doesn't explain his scum reads at all (he's commented a little bit on The Shining and ExO_ in the past, though).off the cuff scumlist 7. damdred 9. Exo_ 17. Trfel 18. ObiWanShinobi 19. The Shining who the fuck knows 8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne) 13. Mooseeeeeeeeydooseeeeeey 24. Alakaslam On December 30 2015 21:16 nooniansoong wrote: This is strange because nooniansoong wasn't conflicted when he had a town lean on boxerfred earlier. It's especially strange because this post was made after boxerfred did more of the exact same thing that nooniansoong thought was towny.Bf...I'm conflicted. His logic is so weird. Too weird to be scum maybe? Nooniansoong again says that he has no reads. A bit later: On December 31 2015 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Bf/TT/Slam/Palmar (ness/oo/kushmaybenot/someone else) On December 31 2015 08:30 nooniansoong wrote: But Nooniansoong is null to town on boxerfred, doesn't know about Alakaslam, not providing a read on but defending Palmar, and hasn't mentioned the rest. If this is indeed a good list in his opinion, that means that nooniansoong has changed his reads dramatically, without mentioning them at all. And while having no reads.pretty good list On December 31 2015 11:15 nooniansoong wrote: No clue why he liked Holyflare's list at all.dunno about that Nooniansoong seems to be suspicious of ExO_, and says he's townreading ritoky, Palmar, and sicklucker. And that's all of his filter. In conclusion, nooniansoong isn't trying to solve the game. He's commenting on things and not investigating, and he didn't care at all about the Day 1 lynch. He's almost certainly mafia. Some of my town leans are weak, I'll revisit them. I'm pretty sure that at least 2/3 scumreads are correct, hopefully all three. | ||
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On January 02 2016 14:24 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Why are you townreading Palmar?On January 02 2016 13:31 nooniansoong wrote: On January 02 2016 13:25 ritoky wrote: On January 02 2016 12:59 nooniansoong wrote: Clarification to my earlier post: My angle is that ritoky shouldn't be scumreading you for that, not that you are scum because of that. who should i be town reading that i am not? (yourself excluded) Palmar ,not sure who else Mysteriously kush is right on my alignment when everyone else is being dumb. I can think of two reasons as to why this would happen. | ||
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Koshi - Never really seen his mafia play but this is so obvious tbh. Hes such an easy ready when he gets all salty Gb - I saw his thought process I see it coming from a paranoid town perspective. Pretty much everything that makes me town makes him town obi- your just gonna have to trust me on this one. I have played alot of games with him and for him his contributions are huge and knowledgeable dandred- He would not do his claim as mafia enough said. Its a bad meta but when he claimed I knew he was a. fake claiming instantly and b. town A unique suspicion I have on everyones favorite gif poster. He revealed his gun instantly. He has done this as mafia in the Christmas game last year as well. When he got a present which was also a 1 shot vig or something similiar he backed himself into a corner where I caught him when he claimed he had it when he shouldnt have. So there is some parelels here. im not saying I think hes scum but some food for thought. Im sure hf remembers this blooper well. He has done the same thing the last time he was given a gun at the same time of the tear.? COINCIDENCE? | ||
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ya i said it... Like who the fuck lists 90% of the game town. People who dont want to die in the night or get vig shot | ||
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