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On December 27 2015 09:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
HF why do you make a massive case on town, then vote Vivax? I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning. Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 09:26 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Hi rit can we be town bros this game? Why would he be town with his posts so far Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 09:32 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote:
Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought.
Was HF's case that he supposedly didn't understand.
On December 28 2015 00:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 28 2015 00:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Can someone summarize the case on Vivax for me? I didn't particularly understand it very well the first time I read it. He's not posting much and when he is posting it's being a complete non-factor. That sounds fantastic. I'm going to double check some stuff.
I basically said the same thing, yet suddenly it's fantastic.
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On December 29 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote:
I'm surprised Artanis isn't more annoyed that I'm just flat out ignoring him.
I've been kind of busy playing Left 4 Dead.
Actually not that interesting a game honestly. But yeah, you should probably comment on it.
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On December 28 2015 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 22:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 09:52 Holyflare wrote:On December 27 2015 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
HF why do you make a massive case on town, then vote Vivax? I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning. On December 27 2015 09:26 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Hi rit can we be town bros this game? Why would he be town with his posts so far On December 27 2015 09:32 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote:
Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought. Was HF's case that he supposedly didn't understand. On December 28 2015 00:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 28 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 28 2015 00:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Can someone summarize the case on Vivax for me? I didn't particularly understand it very well the first time I read it. He's not posting much and when he is posting it's being a complete non-factor. That sounds fantastic. I'm going to double check some stuff. I basically said the same thing, yet suddenly it's fantastic. Thinking this might actually make you mafia ftr.
I'm presuming you think I'm calling you mafia for being able to read something better the second time.
I'm not. I'm calling you mafia because the question you asked was not a sincere question. I believe if you put in more than a second to think about it, you would've understood exactly what he said. You're just attempting to blend in by 'engaging' people the way you did, but you don't actually care about who gets lynched.
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And now time for more L4D.
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On December 29 2015 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 01:49 rsoultin wrote:
raaaayn i think art is most likely town and ows is most likely scum where's our disconnect?
if you said it before, i'm sorry, it's just a big thread and my memory's not the best But OWS is not scum because TT is.
This is terrible reasoning Rayn. I do think it would look good for him if TT is, but it definitely doesn't make him certain town in the slightest.
I actually think your TT case is ok, though it does rely on it not being laziness. Even the same reasoning thing does because he can just not care and say that as town.
That said I think it's likelier to come from scum.
##Unvote
##Vote TicTock
On December 29 2015 02:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote:On December 29 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, if you hadn't read anything and you didn't catch up, how do you know coag and rsoultin are masons? This guy probably mafia too tbh. I had the same feeling but then i read the name above the post. wanna play some hots?
I can play but I'm pretty shit :D
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On December 29 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote:Yup classic GB fake mafia anger. Not only are your points illogical (I couldn't have made Vivax claim, I said I don't really want to lynch Ness straight away after etc etc) but they are ones that you yourself FOLLOW IN SENTIMENT. On December 29 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote:On December 29 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, if you hadn't read anything and you didn't catch up, how do you know coag and rsoultin are masons? This guy probably mafia too tbh. Who's not Mafia in this game? All you have been doing is pushing a guy that people are telling you you should give him more time for his recent plays, and you keep pushing him until he claims. Then you want to lunch Tictock and ness, who you have been townreading. Why do you want to lynch ness now, Holyflare? What changed? Let's look at this post as a classic example of a wtf he's mafia moment. GB is calling me out for: A) Being suspicious of Vivax which is weird as fuck because: On December 28 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote:On December 28 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote:
If you're town and know you're never going to read this game gtfo.
If you're mafia just wait until i lynch you thats okay too And now I agree with you HF, Vivax might be the best lynch today B) Being suspicious of TickTock: On December 28 2015 00:35 GlowingBear wrote:On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT. Let's do it ##Vote: Tictock C) Being suspicious of N E S S: On December 28 2015 03:06 GlowingBear wrote:On December 28 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote:
can we leave ness alone, I'm pretty sure he's town at this juncture Why is that? The only thing that is giving me pause to call him Mafia is that thing Sicklucker said. The early arguments I've brought on him + his reads not making much sense (calling me town, Mafia, then town again, and now suddenly calling Tictock and Exo Mafia out of the blue, especially when Exo looks pretty fownie to me) pretty much sells him out to me as scum. D) Being suspicious of Kush: -absent because GB has been afk for ages- So, what do we see here ladies and gentleman? Glowingbear is accusing me of calling all his mafia reads mafia and then using it to call me mafia. /case get rekt GB Yeah, you're mafia. You're completely twisting my argument here. You can call all my scum reads scum and do nothing about it. Yes, I've said after a long time that Vivax might be the best lynch because there was enough time for him to react and he didn't. But you have been pushing him since the beginning of the game while calling everyone else suspicious but doing nothing about it.And about "D", I think kush is more likely to be town than mafia here, out of tone basically. I remember very well his mafia play in avogadro's mini mafia and it's nothing like this. Plus I think him going against Palmar was an okay play. Also, why would he come back to the thread like that, drawing all attention he can? Pretty much suicidal. I'm voting you
Wait, you think HF is mafia because he pushed his main suspect whilst pushing others as well?
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On December 29 2015 03:08 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote:Yup classic GB fake mafia anger. Not only are your points illogical (I couldn't have made Vivax claim, I said I don't really want to lynch Ness straight away after etc etc) but they are ones that you yourself FOLLOW IN SENTIMENT. On December 29 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote:On December 29 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, if you hadn't read anything and you didn't catch up, how do you know coag and rsoultin are masons? This guy probably mafia too tbh. Who's not Mafia in this game? All you have been doing is pushing a guy that people are telling you you should give him more time for his recent plays, and you keep pushing him until he claims. Then you want to lunch Tictock and ness, who you have been townreading. Why do you want to lynch ness now, Holyflare? What changed? Let's look at this post as a classic example of a wtf he's mafia moment. GB is calling me out for: A) Being suspicious of Vivax which is weird as fuck because: On December 28 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote:On December 28 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote:
If you're town and know you're never going to read this game gtfo.
If you're mafia just wait until i lynch you thats okay too And now I agree with you HF, Vivax might be the best lynch today B) Being suspicious of TickTock: On December 28 2015 00:35 GlowingBear wrote:On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT. Let's do it ##Vote: Tictock C) Being suspicious of N E S S: On December 28 2015 03:06 GlowingBear wrote:On December 28 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote:
can we leave ness alone, I'm pretty sure he's town at this juncture Why is that? The only thing that is giving me pause to call him Mafia is that thing Sicklucker said. The early arguments I've brought on him + his reads not making much sense (calling me town, Mafia, then town again, and now suddenly calling Tictock and Exo Mafia out of the blue, especially when Exo looks pretty fownie to me) pretty much sells him out to me as scum. D) Being suspicious of Kush: -absent because GB has been afk for ages- So, what do we see here ladies and gentleman? Glowingbear is accusing me of calling all his mafia reads mafia and then using it to call me mafia. /case get rekt GB Yeah, you're mafia. You're completely twisting my argument here. You can call all my scum reads scum and do nothing about it. Yes, I've said after a long time that Vivax might be the best lynch because there was enough time for him to react and he didn't. But you have been pushing him since the beginning of the game while calling everyone else suspicious but doing nothing about it.And about "D", I think kush is more likely to be town than mafia here, out of tone basically. I remember very well his mafia play in avogadro's mini mafia and it's nothing like this. Plus I think him going against Palmar was an okay play. Also, why would he come back to the thread like that, drawing all attention he can? Pretty much suicidal. I'm voting you Wait, you think HF is mafia because he pushed his main suspect whilst pushing others as well? No, Artanis, I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie while mildly throwing suspicions everywhere and not further investigating it even when me and sicklucker kept saying that he should give Vivax more time. It's not about WHO he said is scum, it's about HOW he is throwing suspicions everywhere while doing nothing with them. He agrees that Tictock is scum and there are two cases on him, but then decided to go against kush for a "leap of read" that doesn't make anyone scum.
I'm not actually convinced Vivax is actually JK. I can easily see him fakeclaiming both as VT and as scum honestly and I wouldn't blame a JK to not claim expecting the NK's to sort it out.
Also, he has actually engaged Vivax during that at times. As for him throwing suspicions everywhere whilst doing nothing with them, I can see that coming from either alignment. I also don't think choosing Kush over TT as a lynch is alignment indicative unless TT is actually scum, in which case why don't you actually vote TT whom has a realistic chance of flipping today over HF?
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GB, break your scumread on HF down for me. When did you start suspecting him, and why did his case on you trigger you to vote for him?
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On December 29 2015 03:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...] GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 29 2015 03:08 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote:Yup classic GB fake mafia anger. Not only are your points illogical (I couldn't have made Vivax claim, I said I don't really want to lynch Ness straight away after etc etc) but they are ones that you yourself FOLLOW IN SENTIMENT. On December 29 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
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This guy probably mafia too tbh. Who's not Mafia in this game? All you have been doing is pushing a guy that people are telling you you should give him more time for his recent plays, and you keep pushing him until he claims. Then you want to lunch Tictock and ness, who you have been townreading. Why do you want to lynch ness now, Holyflare? What changed? Let's look at this post as a classic example of a wtf he's mafia moment. GB is calling me out for: A) Being suspicious of Vivax which is weird as fuck because: On December 28 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote:On December 28 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote:
If you're town and know you're never going to read this game gtfo.
If you're mafia just wait until i lynch you thats okay too And now I agree with you HF, Vivax might be the best lynch today B) Being suspicious of TickTock: On December 28 2015 00:35 GlowingBear wrote:On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT. Let's do it ##Vote: Tictock C) Being suspicious of N E S S: On December 28 2015 03:06 GlowingBear wrote:On December 28 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote:
can we leave ness alone, I'm pretty sure he's town at this juncture Why is that? The only thing that is giving me pause to call him Mafia is that thing Sicklucker said. The early arguments I've brought on him + his reads not making much sense (calling me town, Mafia, then town again, and now suddenly calling Tictock and Exo Mafia out of the blue, especially when Exo looks pretty fownie to me) pretty much sells him out to me as scum. D) Being suspicious of Kush: -absent because GB has been afk for ages- So, what do we see here ladies and gentleman? Glowingbear is accusing me of calling all his mafia reads mafia and then using it to call me mafia. /case get rekt GB Yeah, you're mafia. You're completely twisting my argument here. You can call all my scum reads scum and do nothing about it. Yes, I've said after a long time that Vivax might be the best lynch because there was enough time for him to react and he didn't. But you have been pushing him since the beginning of the game while calling everyone else suspicious but doing nothing about it.And about "D", I think kush is more likely to be town than mafia here, out of tone basically. I remember very well his mafia play in avogadro's mini mafia and it's nothing like this. Plus I think him going against Palmar was an okay play. Also, why would he come back to the thread like that, drawing all attention he can? Pretty much suicidal. I'm voting you Wait, you think HF is mafia because he pushed his main suspect whilst pushing others as well? No, Artanis, I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie while mildly throwing suspicions everywhere and not further investigating it even when me and sicklucker kept saying that he should give Vivax more time. It's not about WHO he said is scum, it's about HOW he is throwing suspicions everywhere while doing nothing with them. He agrees that Tictock is scum and there are two cases on him, but then decided to go against kush for a "leap of read" that doesn't make anyone scum. and then notice where my vote was and how I was exploring the other avenues at the time, I've said I've wanted to lynch TT since rayn first talked about it on like page 10 EXACTLY! And yet you never voted Tictock. You just decided kush was scum for bullshitty reasons, then you throw suspicions at me while twisting my arguments, and now you're voting me. On December 29 2015 02:11 Holyflare wrote:
##unvote
##vote TickTock ???????????????? ?????????????????? ?????????? I mean basic fact checking isn't even in GB's mafia repertoire
I can see this being a really stressed out town GB atm. Let him explain himself so we have a chance of finding out.
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On December 29 2015 03:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:19 Damdred wrote:
Tbh what hf says makes a lot of sense here its not shit and it does show a interesting thing.
GB tell me when did you first suspect hf Right now, after seeing him throwing suspicions everywhere (GB might be mafia, Ness might be mafia), and the more I think of it the more things fits (his push on kush, his reluctancy from not lynching Tictock and keeping on Vivax)
He asked when you first started to. Was it literally when he posted his case on you?
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Honestly I'm iffy about HF myself and it's something I have no real rational reason for. It's nothing related to what GB has brought up anyway.
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On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...] GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments.
So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia.
TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT?
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For postgame:
If this was a double bus, I'm so calling it.
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On December 29 2015 03:32 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...] GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT? It's not actually based on association. If someone calls a case "good" and that "that player might be mafia", but refuses to go on it and starts throwing suspicions everywhere by twisting arguments and going against NAI things, it doesn't fit a town perspective. Why would a townie behave this way?
Why would a mafia behave that way if TT is town? It would make it NAI.
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On December 29 2015 03:33 Vivax wrote:
Time to play a bit with HF:
Im not actually JK
Oh boy, here we go
On December 29 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:32 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible.
If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT? It's not actually based on association. If someone calls a case "good" and that "that player might be mafia", but refuses to go on it and starts throwing suspicions everywhere by twisting arguments and going against NAI things, it doesn't fit a town perspective. Why would a townie behave this way? Why would a mafia behave that way if TT is town? It would make it NAI. TT might be mafia, and he has a very good shot at being mafia. I don't know why would a mafia behave like that if TT is town. IF TT is town. I don't know if he is, so I can't say how a mafia would behave now. I can, however, work with the facts in the thread, and I don't see a townie behaving the way I described HF is.
Let me get this straight
if TT is town, you don't understand HF's behaviour as either alignment.
if TT is mafia, you think it strongly implicates HF.
Regardless, you believe the chance of TT being mafia is lower than that of HF being mafia. Am I correct?
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On December 29 2015 03:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:33 Vivax wrote:
Time to play a bit with HF:
Im not actually JK Oh boy, here we go On December 29 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:32 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT? It's not actually based on association. If someone calls a case "good" and that "that player might be mafia", but refuses to go on it and starts throwing suspicions everywhere by twisting arguments and going against NAI things, it doesn't fit a town perspective. Why would a townie behave this way? Why would a mafia behave that way if TT is town? It would make it NAI. TT might be mafia, and he has a very good shot at being mafia. I don't know why would a mafia behave like that if TT is town. IF TT is town. I don't know if he is, so I can't say how a mafia would behave now. I can, however, work with the facts in the thread, and I don't see a townie behaving the way I described HF is. Let me get this straight if TT is town, you don't understand HF's behaviour as either alignment. if TT is mafia, you think it strongly implicates HF. Regardless, you believe the chance of TT being mafia is lower than that of HF being mafia. Am I correct? No Artanis, my logic is: if I see a behaviour that doesn't fits any town perspective, the said person is mafia. I didn't think of it more than this
Okay, I believe you.
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On December 29 2015 03:47 Damdred wrote:
Can we lynch slam? I think it might be good ?
He mindmelded with me (saw the same thing when he catched up). Makes me not want to lynch him.
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HF I think GB's scumread on you is nonsensical but I don't think it makes him scum.
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On December 29 2015 03:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:51 Damdred wrote:
I sorta agree with art I can see town GB acting this dumb over nai things. I hate this. It's always this "GB you're dumb", "GB your argument doesn't make sense", then the guy flips mafia. You guys just don't want to lynch Holyflare because he is Holyflare.
His last two games:
[M][N] OT vs The Mods Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1
[N] TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4
I don't think that flies anymore. If everyone, including your buddy Rayn says your argumentation is poor, you may want to reconsider it. It's very possible that you're right that HF is scum, but if he is, what you laid out isn't why.
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On December 29 2015 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...] GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT? Maybe you are town after all. 
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EPT
