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Have a random read list cause they're fun.
100% Town forever
Artanis[Xp]
N e s s
Town
Damdred
Trfel
Rsoultin
Alakaslam
Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit
Raynpelikoneet
Onegu
Weak Town
HF
Ritoky
ExO_
Koshi
TickTock
Null
Anyone not in other categories
Weak Mafia
Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad.
GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.
Leaning Mafia
Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax.
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On December 27 2015 21:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 21:33 sicklucker wrote:
I love that no one has made a read on me in pretty much the entire game. makes me happy Town hero would be pretty accurate.
Hello Vivax.
Do you have reads?
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On December 27 2015 22:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 22:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 21:58 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2015 21:33 sicklucker wrote:
I love that no one has made a read on me in pretty much the entire game. makes me happy Town hero would be pretty accurate. Hello Vivax. Do you have reads? I'm going to murder HF when given the chance, that will suffice as a read okay? Just cause he wants to ML me on D1 for two posts.
I'd like to hear more.
On December 27 2015 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Have a random read list cause they're fun.
100% Town forever
Artanis[Xp]
N e s s
Town
Damdred
Trfel
Rsoultin
Alakaslam
Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit
Raynpelikoneet
Onegu
Weak Town
HF
Ritoky
ExO_
Koshi
TickTock
Null
Anyone not in other categories
Weak Mafia
Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad.
GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.
Leaning Mafia
Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax. So you're scum? This post doesn't make much sense....
Why does it not make much sense?
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On December 27 2015 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because it looks like you are both reading the thread and not.
That's probably kinda true in the sense that there were like 17 pages to read when I woke up and I kinda read them but did it pretty fast so it's likely not everything actually registered.
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On December 27 2015 22:18 Vivax wrote:
No it seems more like he's being HF junior
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On December 27 2015 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 22:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because it looks like you are both reading the thread and not. That's probably kinda true in the sense that there were like 17 pages to read when I woke up and I kinda read them but did it pretty fast so it's likely not everything actually registered. So like... the first thing you usually do in any game is to form a read on me. Here you "form" a read on me due to... association?!?!? You completely ignore my scumread however...
Usually, yes. But that's usually because you're actually around for the start of the game. This time, you weren't so I interacted with other people instead. By the time I returned to the thread you were gone so I couldn't interact with you. I know Tina said she can read you very well and she called you town. Townreading her means that's good enough for me and I'm feeling lazy so eh.
As for your scumread, I already told you why I don't think TT is scum.
Then you have this weird read progression on Exo, where you first call him scum but then, idk why, you suddenly don't call him scum anymore but null and in the next post he is even a town lean.
I called him scum for the tone in his first post. The tone changed in his later post. I thought about him further and then figured he's somewhat likely to be town due to the way he got upset about how people read him, but then still started doing other things with reasonable confidence.
Then i have absolutely no idea why you (or anyone -- but anyone is not as good as you are) would ever think Koshi is town because he hasn't actually done jack shit in this game. There is no Koshi-passion to solve the game, which is actually really characteristic to his townplay regardless of how much he yells he won't play before the game...
I dunno, I just don't think he so openly doesn't give a shit about the game as mafia. He's also still doing things here and there next to it.
And to the first part, you claim TT's posting is bad but hey let's ignore the case on him completely and just call him town instead... And HF is town but GB is scum... Did you forget HF did the exact same thing GB did regarding Ness?? Just because HF posts more words about it and is generally capable of producing better looking posts does not mean the motivation is/was the same.. But GB is scum for what he did? And HF is town, for calling Vivax scum? Or what, because that would be everything else HF basically did. Do you realize even if Vivax is mafia here it's not out of question at all HF is also mafia? I think you at least should, and if you srsly consider GB as scum for why you do, your townread on HF makes absolutely zero sense at all.
I really really do not understand any of that.
It's not the what but the how with HF, Rayn. He pressured him, got answers and changed his read. The way GB pushes him is very, very different. I'm also not eliminating the option in which HF is scum at all. He's a weak lean as I said.
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On December 27 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two: Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything. You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all. ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads? Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious. If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for. this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. 1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square? Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness? This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question. So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn?
HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread.
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On December 27 2015 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
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Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness? This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question. So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn? HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread. That doesn't answer the question. What has GB pushed him for after the initial questioning?
On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two: Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything. You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all. ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads? Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious. If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for. this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. 1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square? Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
On December 27 2015 14:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I have slight SCUMREADS on you, Tictock (his jokes on hammerig me and stuff seems off, he doesn't seem invested in the game) and ritoky (which I'm not sure anymore)
He keeps pushing him on the same thing without getting anything new, basically. Asking questions that lead nowhere which is basically what he's accusing N e s s of.
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On December 27 2015 22:55 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
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Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness? This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question. So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn? HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread. Could you clarify the bolded, what direction was HF taking here?
Direction in that he saw a post that didn't make sense to him, asked a bunch of questions to figure out the motive and did so in an open/not hostile manner, while I remember him being more hostile as scum. There was actually also thread sentiment in favour of N e s s other than GB.
I actually can see a reason for scum!HF to do as he did looking back; See if he can get the easy mislynch, then once he sees only GB really agrees and that N e s s does really look townie, back off. Still, the tone to me looks like he isn't trying to bury him in the way I'd expect scum!HF to do so, which constitutes the weak townread.
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On December 27 2015 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:
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It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness? This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question. So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn? HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread. That doesn't answer the question. What has GB pushed him for after the initial questioning? On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two: Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything. You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all. ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads? Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious. If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for. this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. 1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square? Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. On December 27 2015 14:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I have slight SCUMREADS on you, Tictock (his jokes on hammerig me and stuff seems off, he doesn't seem invested in the game) and ritoky (which I'm not sure anymore) He keeps pushing him on the same thing without getting anything new, basically. Asking questions that lead nowhere which is basically what he's accusing N e s s of. Except that GB made a read out of Ness' answers. Ness didn't make anything out of anything. Can you tell me what Ness' reads are? Let's be honest. The reason for Ness to be town (if he is), is his response to the pressure -- same as why Exo is town (or was -- before he posted reads) if he is. There is absolutely no other reason to townread him, and anyone who claims otherwise is either bad or mafia. Ness has literally given zero reads on basically anything. He has just posted... a bunch of nothing.
GB's read on Ness is still on his initial post; to him, he was asking questions that lead nowhere. His questioning did not actually do that for him. It went nowhere. I also don't need to convince you that Ness is town regardless since you seem to share that read with me.
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On December 27 2015 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so like... You think GB is scum because of his lack of direction in his questioning on Ness.
What do you make out of rsoultin basically saying the opposite -- and also scumreading GB for it?!?!?!
We use the word direction in different ways is the issue here 
What she meant with direction I think is the focus on this one point. What I mean with direction is that he doesn't seem to steer towards getting a better read on ness, but keeps asking questions that don't actually help him.
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This is basically my issue.
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Which applies my other graph's double no..
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On December 27 2015 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:If we are completely honest and ignore the "getting frustrated over being scumread" part you should probably change the color in HF <-> GB.
Huh?
On December 27 2015 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WHY DOES ONE'S READ HAVE TO CHANGE IF THE OTHER PERSON JUST POSTS SHIT??!?!?
Like do you have to FORCE out a townread just because someone says something? Even if it's not townie. You are not even going to WHAT GB and Ness ACTUALLY say, you just say "well Ness answered and GB still thinks he is scum -- so GB is scum".
It's really fucking bad way to look at people. You really are not bad enough to see beyond the surface level?
Are you scum because your read on Vivax is static?
You don't have to, but I didn't see anything that really came from his line of questioning. It probably didn't help that I was already scumreading him before I caught up to the thread again. I'll see what he does going forward, he's probably not getting lynched today anyway.
On December 27 2015 23:18 ExO_ wrote:Also I wrote this down in my notes but haven't mentioned it yet: I disliked TickTock's post here: + Show Spoiler +On December 27 2015 13:35 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 13:25 Holyflare wrote:TickTock I suggest that you catch up and post some fleshed out reads rather than arguing semantics, it'll help expedite things nicely  You can also vote for Vivax or explain why you aren't for free bonus points. Which everyone else should be doing too. No thanks. Might vote Vivax though, we'll see. What had ticktock done in the thread so far? Posted a rhyme said I looked okay despite my open (without explaining why I looked okay, or why my open didn't look okay) and then said he "might" vote Vivax. Seems scummy to me
The way he so clearly doesn't give a shit about how the thread perceives him gives me town vibes though.
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On December 27 2015 23:24 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The way he so clearly doesn't give a shit about how the thread perceives him gives me town vibes though. Does it? I don't seem to get a "I don't care what you think about me" vibe from him. I seem to get a wishywashy vibe that hasn't called anybody scum, has said a lot of "maybe" without explaining anything, and then disappeared. Looks scummy. I don't get an "I don't care" vibe at all here.
Hm, I actually opened his filter again and I can see what you're getting at. For some reason reading through the thread the only thing I had registered was his reads post and his response to HF. Both posts individually I can actually see coming from town, but that combined with the other posts he's made that don't actually do anything, it doesn't actually compute.
You have my axe.
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On December 27 2015 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what GlowingBear did:
Scumreads Ness for asking useless questions.
HF agrees with GB (but somehow still scumreads him?!?!?).
Makes a "better" post on Ness.
GB waits for Ness to answer HF's post (gets scumread for it too obvs...)
Focuses on other things (gets scumread for it....).
Ness answers.
Ness' answer doesn't please GB (gets scumread for it too..)
GB asks a follow up question -- reads.
Ness gives basically nothing...
GB asks another legit question.
Ness answers basically nothing.
GB still scumreads him (gets scumread for that one too.-...)
Something is really fucking wrong here.
Focussing on the what instead of the how again. Already said I could very well be wrong. Gonna need more to decide to lynch him anyway.
On December 27 2015 23:30 ExO_ wrote:Speaking about rsoult Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 17:22 rsoultin wrote:On December 27 2015 17:18 ExO_ wrote:On December 27 2015 17:14 rsoultin wrote:On December 27 2015 17:08 ExO_ wrote:
So far for me:
Town: Damdred, ritoky
Questionable: HF, trfel, artanis
When I pushed Damdred for responses, he answered me. I think he could've very easily brushed me off with the mood in the thread at the time, but he didn't. Good enough so far for me.
ritoky changed his logic and thinking on trfel mid post. Though I guess it's not necessarily alignment indicative I think backing off of trfel mid post as he types, seems towny to me. I don't see the incentive to do this if he was scum.
Artanis/trfel - I initially had them both as town reads. Both of them seem to be playing off each other. Artansis specifically asking trfel what he thinks about something, then trfel coming in. But when I took a closer look at the filter, trfel immediately after scum reading me (following in artanis's lead) backs off it when the thread starts to shift away from scum reading me. I lean town on these 2 for now, but I think they're the same alignment: either both town or both scum.
HF - Not a big fan of HF so far. Really pushing Vivax based only on his lack of responding. At first he was only questioning others without offering his own reads, but he did start to at least back up some of his reads in the bottom half of P1 in his filter. I'm not convinced this super heavy pushing of Vivax is entirely justified just yet. I think I really dislike HF's style of heavy asking questions rather than presenting a case, but this doesn't make him scum.
I think in general HF asks too many questions that ultimately don't help with solving the game, while simultaneously offering up very little of his (is it her? I seem to recall HF being a woman) own opinions. But if I recall correctly I've had this opinion of HF in other games and it was incorrect. I lean scum on HF but not very heavily.
Those are my initial impressions of people that have stuck out to me so far. i'd pout for old time's sake but honestly...eh i've been kinda not bothering with you either ^^ hihi! disagree on the vivax thing with hf, predominately because it is known that vivax will play as town and not as scum, though it's also true that viva has been mislynched for deliberately playing to his scum meta as town (no i don't understand why people use this cop out way of making themselves harder to read instead of just working on their scum game, but whatevs). that's all to say i think it's a legit enough read PLUS if hf is scum he'd 100% buss a scum viva who wasn't playing anyway, so this doesn't really matter imo i like that you're focusing on the big names instead of lynchbait tho ^^ might bump you into my do not lynch pile with oneg now i really should sleep :/ why's onegu in a do not lynch pile? The guy's done nothing in the game this far. Until he actually makes some effort I don't see why he shouldn't be lynched as an inactive for instance. What makes you think he's worth keeping so far? gut feels i won't discuss at this time If she's all but claiming mason with coag, what's this mean with onegu. I cannot understand the "no lynch" on onegu like minutes after he enters the thread for the first time (and says nothing of consequence)
Toneread. They have history, though it does seem a little early.
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If anyone thinks Rsoul putting Coag as her top townread is indicative of anything other than either a joke, a blueclaim or WIFOM then I'm not sure what to say.
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On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
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Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed? I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?
Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site.
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On December 27 2015 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:
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It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed? I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point? Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site. He is not newbie though.
He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless.
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On December 27 2015 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:
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It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed? I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point? Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site. He is not newbie though. He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless. So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"?
I don't think he looks like he can play mafia properly at all with his opening post and the way he went about it. I don't think he can do what he's done as mafia.
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