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On December 29 2015 06:00 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 05:51 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:35 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 05:26 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:16 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 05:15 Vivax wrote:
Cool post there Shining, I'm unscumreading you for the moment I was feeling the opposite. Please explain. Can you explain what you don't like about it? What are your thoughts on them then? They've both had eachother as scum pretty early this phase, to the point where Vivax had to claim(or fakeclaim?) to deflect and HF is still taunting to get Vivax lynched. The only other option would be a double bus and I think that's not impossible, but unlikely at this point. I said i was "feeling" the opposite. Meaning feels not logic was behind me not liking the post. I'll try though. Nothing strikes me as townie about your post. You come to the thread and you poll everyone on their opinion on something that is currently IMO irrelevant. It strikes me as scum trying to come up with suitable activity rather than a townie trying to find scum. Because from what I see, HF vs Vivax has come up multiple times during this day phase and it was relevant before Vivax pulled his claim/unclaim thing. And was still being talked about. Having everyone take a stance would allow the thread to finally move on from it instead of it shitting up the thread forever and ever until one or both are lynched/shot/w.e. And since it seems like it's pretty quiet 2 hours before the lynch, and TT has a decent lead in votes, why not talk about other interactions? And you've expressed not wanting to lynch TT and just called the case on him shite. So what makes TT town? And yes, you're not wrong, which is why I said it gave me pause. Because imo they both can't be scum. But neither one is here for me to hash out my reads on them so what else can I do? Read the case on TT(I don't remember seeing on on Ness) and deciding whether it's accurate or not. Like, I see scummy things from both of them. But one being willing to lynch the other means that they're probably not scum together. If you're against the TT lynch, why aren't you finding scum anywhere else? You're voting Slam, by yourself. Because of this: On December 29 2015 00:46 nooniansoong wrote:
My vote on palmar is definitely bad now that he has showed up, but I don't know who to change it to yet.
Alaka for now. Do you have a read on Vivax? An opinion on the claim/unclaim? I couldn't find anything in your filter about it since. Did you get your answers from HF regarding the inconsistencies about his read on you and TT? Or are you content to waste a vote, continue saying you're against the TT lynch and do nothing about it so you can say I told you so if he flips town? vivax - town hf - town That is my opinion. What's yours? Disregarding any meta you you dont know. Regarding wasting my vote... I voted for someone who gives me scumfeels. I'm not gonna lead a wagon on someone other than tt. I don't have the effort or the reputation to do that. So what should I do with my vote? Vote for tt even though I think he's probably town. TT and Ness are you strongest scumreads. Am i understanding that correctly?
Same as you. Vivax/HF are both town, which is why I explained when I first asked that most of the time, in that situation, the long 1v1s read as town v town to me, especially when people don't jump on one side and try to hammer the other. From what I gather, most have both at town, except for ExO and GB thinking HF is scum and rayn thinking Vivax is scum(or bad, I'm going off the vote).
Why does slam give you scum feels? Was there something I missed besides that "slam for now" post? And no, obviously if you don't think TT is scum, don't vote him. But all I got from you is "scumfeels from Slam" but idk why. And no real effort to save a TR of yours. So I don't understand why Vivax thinks you're town.
No. Ness is my strongest scumread, TT slightly behind him. Ness not coming back to thread and fucking off after building up a decent sized filter but not doing much and martyring looks bad. And I agreed with TT on Ness throwing out questions but doing nothing with the responses, which is why I paused, because that means I'm either scumsiding or TT is town because we saw the same thing. But that was his only reason for scumming Ness. He didn't explain what else made Ness scummy, even though he quoted 3 posts.
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On December 29 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then. Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him? Yes
So HF is scum, no matter what? Or does TT flipping town make you think HF is town? Regardless, you're going to vote TT to find out, which feels like really bad unflipped association to vote off of. =/
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On December 29 2015 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
Also gonna have to surprisingly agree with Kush that I don't like Shining's posts because they are rehashing an argument between me and Vivax that simply just doesn't exist. If I still thought Vivax was mafia then I would be voting for him but I don't so I'm not. Which leads the the point that it's a pointless post because:
A) Vivax already claimed JK so why would people have opinions other than his claim?
B) A lot of people already expressed views on me during the GB interaction and around the thread just generally.
So you're telling me right around the time I got back to the thread, you didn't literally ask Vivax if he wanted you to lynch him? Which means your spat back and forth was still going right around the time I got back. So I wanted people to take a definite side or if most were like me, under the impression you're both town, to just move the fck on. But ok.
And yes, I guess I should've explained that more clearly. I was asking who didn't believe/had an opinion on Vivax's claim/unclaim because it only happened a few hours ago and out of the active posters, I can only remember you, rayn, Damdred and now kush opining on it. Then we have Trfel and TT and Obi still catching up.
I also didn't ask you what you thought of eachother. I asked what everyone else thought of you two, post claim/unclaim.
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On December 29 2015 06:26 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then. Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him? Yes That is bad logic. That logic actually means if TT is town, HF cannot be scum. Not that I agree with the premises.
Yes, this is what I was getting at.
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On December 29 2015 06:39 Holyflare wrote:Which if you think both me and Vivax are town seems to be a waste of time, no? That quote towards Vivax was also sarcastic because he's trying to bait a reaction out of me clearly.
Not at all. Because like I said, I was interested in what others had to say about you and Vivax's play. This game is bigger than just you two, but if I can use the interaction between you two to see other's reactions/responses and hash out reads due to similar thoughts, or catch something off about someone because them answering me is weird or contradicts something they said earlier in their filter, then what is the problem??
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On December 29 2015 06:45 Holyflare wrote:
I also think it's ridiculous that GB has a plethora of evidence that refutes his entire read on me and he's still sticking to it, much mafia.
And most of his read on you from his last few posts hedge on TT's flip...also, I said this yesterday but GB didn't even notice that his scumread in Ness was voting with him. He thought he was tunneling on Ness so backed off. But once I pointed it out, it seemed like GB thought that made Ness scummier. I clearly remember playing with GB in other games that was SUPER obstinate about voting with a scumread of his, especially D1, regardless of who the wagon was.
GB isn't a bad lynch either tbh
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^LOL I made that post without even seeing HF's post but there you go.
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On December 29 2015 06:48 ritoky wrote:
shining, if TT is your 2nd largest scum read, why aren't you voting him?
Because he showed signs of wanting to lynch my 1st largest scumread, which gives me doubts and makes me hesitate on both. And my 1st largest scumread AFKd the game after martyring and is voting an un-CCd JK, even though that JK unclaimed and now I just don't know anymore.
I guess I'd rather not be wrong on either and since TT is around, I'm interested in what he'll come up with before DL
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On December 29 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 06:54 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 06:48 ritoky wrote:
shining, if TT is your 2nd largest scum read, why aren't you voting him? Because he showed signs of wanting to lynch my 1st largest scumread, which gives me doubts and makes me hesitate on both. And my 1st largest scumread AFKd the game after martyring and is voting an un-CCd JK, even though that JK unclaimed and now I just don't know anymore. I guess I'd rather not be wrong on either and since TT is around, I'm interested in what he'll come up with before DL I don't like this post, nor 1 of the previous ones. I would be willing to boot up shennanie.exe for this guy, and gb, and maybe rels
Do what you gotta do. Just remember you suck at reading me and I've pointed this out before. I guess you really can't backtrack once you scum me, either, because you did that last time you rolled scum vs me and I caught you. You had to pretend you were wrong that game after our shouting match. I'm down to yell again if you are.
And shenannying onto GB means you'd be voting with me, since out of those 2(not counting myself), that's who I'd vote. Decisions, decisions.
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On December 30 2015 09:38 ObviousOne wrote:
it's possible it's mafia defending mafia though, not for any particular reason that i can see as shining isn't a hot topic for d1
robot kush interaction with robot shining interaction on p91
tbh i like robot kush
I wonder how this changes when he compares TT's gunsmith claim to Damdred's...smh.
I'm way more inclined to believe Damdred's claim over TT's. TT didn't claim when he was at risk of being lynched and then implied he was miller, which would've never crossed his mind if he was actually blue. Also, OO said Damdred could be scum with TMI for defending me but Damdred is definitely the gunsmith over TT here(I think TT's last post basically claimed scum, no?) so that's bad.
Onegu un-cc'd DT check so yeah, that just buries TT even more. I feel pretty shitty for ever having doubts and voting Rels instead. Obi wanting to lynch me D3 is a bit weird, because although I don't think I've been the most towny this game, already trying to set up what I know is a ML without interacting with me or seeing anything I do in the next 2 days is horrible.
Vivax is still alive? But I'm not sure if it's because scum wants us to wifom over his claim/unclaim.
HF is likely town for voting TT at the last minute. I don't think there's any way he knew in that second as he voted TT that Damdred and I both were voting Rels. It would've hammered TT if Damdred hadn't switched or if I had voted TT or off-wagon.
TT read me town multiple times with little to no effort, so for whoever thinks I'm scum, please explain why he'd do that, when there was a realistic chance of him being lynched. All that does is out me in the process. Also, him wanting to lynch Ness probably means Ness is town. Me being wrong on TT = me being wrong on Ness, too.
This is obvious, too, but pretty sure at least one of the voters currently on TT are scum. Maybe Trfel? I'll go read his full filter in a few but he didn't post anything but "XD" since the NKs posted and is voting TT. No reaction, no thoughts, nothing.
I think RSo said something about BF being town because of his brazenness but he was definitely pushy and inactive like this as scum in the Student game I played with him a while back. But he did also make bigger posts in that game. So that's another filter I'll be looking to read and compare.
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On December 30 2015 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
Nah shining bf is 100% scum, I actually liked that trfel XD reaction too.
Why 100%? I'm suspecting he is, too, but this is super low effort compared to his last scum game. He also bussed his own RB in that game when we had a Vet so I would expect him to bus TT D1. Then again, being completely off-wagon on Trfel looks just as bad.
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On December 28 2015 16:08 Trfel wrote:
Hey, Tictock, we appear to be at exactly the same place in the thread XD
What did you think about the Artanis/raynpelikoneet argument about GlowingBear a page or two ago?
Can you encourage me to keep reading and make it through?
On December 29 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 04:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If this is the reason people actually TR me I swear I'm going to shoot someone Oh, wow, I was about to case Artanis but I guess he's actually town  Artanis, what's in the rest of the chart? Like, not the specifics, but how do you go about taking notes for the game?
Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:29 ritoky wrote:On December 29 2015 07:26 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone want to lynch nooniansoong here, or should I give up? he basically told me to go fuck myself and i thought it was town; why is he mafia? Because he doesn't want to lynch Tictock, but he's not trying to do anything at all to vote for someone else or even explain why he's voting for Alakaslam (at least, I don't remember seeing anything).
Rsoultin, did you see the quote I brought up about GlowingBear (this page, or last page)? I don't feel that GlowingBear's tone is robotic in this game, and I believe that's the only reason you are scumreading him. Please explain?
On December 29 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:49 Holyflare wrote:On December 29 2015 07:46 Trfel wrote:On December 29 2015 05:46 Vivax wrote:
Im going to like the kush - TS exchange, kush might actually find points that point to TS being mafia But he's still voting for Alakaslam this whole time, without talking about him, without ever trying to move the lynch. This is not an attempt to solve the game. This is not actually caring about the game, or trying to find the best lynch. Trfel I see you voting off wagon and not really attempting to do anything with TT, why is that? I don't think you've really gone into a TT thought process much at all other than mentioning he's not a very good lynch? Not that I remember anyway. I get the impression that Tictock actually is reading the thread, primarily because last night as I was catching up, he supposedly read 15-20 pages at the same time as I did. Like, he'd comment on posts every so often, and was basically on my pace the entire time. That seems difficult to fake. I don't think that Tictock would actually put that much effort to read the thread and then not care to actually try to move the lynch as scum. I also don't think there is much reason to scumread him, notably I didn't like the criticisms of his first post (there were some reasons I wanted to townread Koshi then, and I liked that Tictock wasn't sharing a widely accepted read, but instead a more unique one). The arguments against Tictock seem to be arguing that he's bad instead of that he's scum? Though I have not caught up yet and I have been reading quickly without having a chance to double check things.
Nah, I'm thinking Trfel is town after these. In the first one, I feel like scum has trouble communicating with eachother for Trfel saw they were around the same place in thread and tried to engage him. It seems pretty honest, especially the last line. "Can you encourage me to keep reading?" If TT is scum, no way is Trfel scum with him.
The second post is him explaining what he sees RE: Tictock. Again, if Tictock is scum, I don't think Trfel would defend him like this as a scum partner. He did it before with Breshke in another game and it worked out horribly for him when Breshke flipped. Maybe I'm just bad for assuming he wouldn't make the same bad play twice but I really don't think so here.
Also, he noticed what I did about Kush not wanting to lynch TT but not doing anything about it or pushing another wagon, which I agreed with and called Kush out on, too. Which makes me want to vote Kush with him.
Yeah Trfel is town after reading his filter.
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On December 30 2015 11:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 11:39 The Shining wrote:On December 30 2015 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
Nah shining bf is 100% scum, I actually liked that trfel XD reaction too. Why 100%? I'm suspecting he is, too, but this is super low effort compared to his last scum game. He also bussed his own RB in that game when we had a Vet so I would expect him to bus TT D1. Then again, being completely off-wagon on Trfel looks just as bad. He was afk most of the game. Anyway I actually find bf as town to be somewhat intuitive and say things I actually agree with and here his thoughts and posts seem like he's saying one thing but posting others. Such as his post about me being mafia if GB is town, he tried to cover his tracks by saying "yes I added that afterthought!" but it didn't add up at all with what he was saying, he basically made a massive post that pastures to set me up for a lynch but then saying he has no opinion other than a 33% chance of each situation occuring. Also like GB said his whole thought process doesn't add up, if he thinks I'm mafia then why would he want to lynch GB first to prove that. Aka posturing. Then there's all that association from tt calling gb town so of gb is town bf's posts fit that scenario even more.
Hm, this is good. Is it worth me finding a town game of his to see him being intuitive? I've only ever played with him as scum, but I do see similarities, notably the afk and brazenness but someone said that's a town trait of his, too.
But the posturing and association is a good point. I still want to read his filter to confirm that and see if maybe it's just horrible town play but I'm almost convinced here, just wanna fact check.
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Well if I'm being honest, I'll probably get around to reading BF and Gaiden but I might not come back tonight, although I'll try. Damdred was right in expecting me not to be here tonight, I rarely play Monday/Tuesdays because its my weekend(I've mentioned this in like every game I play). I don't work and RL keeps me busy AF. I have a very limited time to get a lot done every weekend.
But ya, voting TT, pretty sure HF is right and BF is scum but going to read/fact check, Kush is dropping to my scumleans.
Oh ya, what do you mean by anti meta? Does that mean you think he could be scum, too, and just playing the exact opposite of how he normally plays scum? I played with Kush once and he was a blue that got lynched D1 and gave no fucks. So I'm not sure how he plays scum.
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I read his filter for this game. It's super short. Like, longer than mine but less stuff to read there. How is that possible? You're also right, I don't like that post about "if GB flips town, HF is scum" and then is 100% on HF being scum after voting Trfel(super early) for "sounding forced" but literally never moved his vote.
And that "not themed" mafia game, I skimmed like 4 pages before I realized there's literally no way to compare it. Like if THAT'S his normal town game, he's 100% scum. I'd have to see a less active town game, if there is one.
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On December 30 2015 12:15 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Emergency shifts at work are fun I had my analysis done but it's at home on ny conp.
Just incase here's my reads without reasoning but will elaborate if I survive please if I die don't discredit I promise they are well reasoned and thought through.
Town:
Damdred
Rsoultin/Coag
Raynbabyrayn
Artanis
Shining
Vivax
Koshi
Probably town:
Gliwingbear
Holyflare
Exp
Kush
SL
Rit
Night action please
Ticktock. This makes me uneasy as I feel could be town vs town.
Nullish
Onegu maybe I should trust rs read here I had town feels at one point.
Ness what happened to our love it faded so quickly had him more town than null in my notes
Scum lean:
Slam
Palmar
Obvious one hey damdred can you explain your scum lean on me, is it activity based, because of waylanner? i changed my mind about tmi regarding you after poking through your filter, i think you might be town. sometimes your posts read like you know everyone's alignment but i think that's because you believe it with conviction
Hi. You poked through Damdred's filter and think he might be town now? Did you miss the part where he claimed?
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On December 30 2015 12:20 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 12:19 The Shining wrote:On December 30 2015 12:15 ObviousOne wrote:On December 30 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Emergency shifts at work are fun I had my analysis done but it's at home on ny conp.
Just incase here's my reads without reasoning but will elaborate if I survive please if I die don't discredit I promise they are well reasoned and thought through.
Town:
Damdred
Rsoultin/Coag
Raynbabyrayn
Artanis
Shining
Vivax
Koshi
Probably town:
Gliwingbear
Holyflare
Exp
Kush
SL
Rit
Night action please
Ticktock. This makes me uneasy as I feel could be town vs town.
Nullish
Onegu maybe I should trust rs read here I had town feels at one point.
Ness what happened to our love it faded so quickly had him more town than null in my notes
Scum lean:
Slam
Palmar
Obvious one hey damdred can you explain your scum lean on me, is it activity based, because of waylanner? i changed my mind about tmi regarding you after poking through your filter, i think you might be town. sometimes your posts read like you know everyone's alignment but i think that's because you believe it with conviction Hi. You poked through Damdred's filter and think he might be town now? Did you miss the part where he claimed? probably, i looked harder at the first few pages than the last few what's with all the claiming going around, should i claim too?
If you're scum, then yeah, by all means =D
So how caught up are you? Do you have any other reads besides flipping your Damdred read?
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On December 30 2015 12:27 Holyflare wrote:
Maybe we just lynch all the people that don't know what's happening in the thread and find the mafia, seems like the mafia trend this game.
LoL I don't actually hate this idea, but I'm sure one scummer is at least semi-active and caught up. Sure it's a 25 person game but believing all 5 scum yolo'd and decided not to read 2700 posts seems unlikely. But definitely not impossible...meh.
OO, that's what I assumed. So I see you're getting really close to being caught up, then?
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Ninja'd. Outside of TT, let me know if you find anything or anyone scummy. Because right now, the only thing I've gotten from you is an awareness about Damdred scumleaning you. That's not a townie brownie for you. More like a null skull or even a scummy gummy.
I'll hopefully be back in an hr or two. If not, I should be around at work all day tomorrow.
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