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I thought the game was over?
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Oh so now you care? I thought the game was over? | ||
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Well you didn't care enough to answer my concerns on you at the deadline and after. Neither did Greymist but that's understandable since he is the doctor (although he should have claimed earlier). | ||
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On December 14 2015 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you seriously think DP is mafia when marv places his vote on him and refuses to consider you (who i am pushing) as a lynch? That would implicate that marv is more okay with DP getting lynched than getting lynched himself, and i honestly do not think even marv thinks he has a better chance of winning the game with scum lynched on D1 than DP. I find it the most impossible answer that DP is mafia with marv -- after Damdred who hammered scum ofc. On December 14 2015 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Regardless of what me and Damdred do DP and marv could have lynched you instead... Furthermore DP is actually interested in who is mafia, unlike other people who are not the doctor. Yes, i believe there is zero chance DP is mafia. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:01 Rels wrote: Rels: - I don't like his EOD, i really don't, i disagree with Damdred here. The thing is Rels said he hasn't read most of the posts when shit started to happen, yet he doesn't listen to anyone when he comes back at the EOD, just starts yelling idk.. something... - The scumread on marv suddenly disappears there, without him properly reading marv's posts - I agree with the two-head here, many of Rels' points seem to lead nowhere and are minor points that do not actually matter at all alignment-wise - Actually this shit here points towards Rels more than Greymist. Look at what i say about Greymist's post, and what Rels does: + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I never said there could not be scum between them. I said i think there is no way BOTH of the scum are between them. I provided analysis on why i reached to the conclusion. I am not arbitary putting people into categories, if you think my analysis is incorrect, please argue about why they are incorrect instead of just creating a narrative on the conclusion. I am not saying it is certain you are mafia. In fact i am far more sure of marv being scum at this point based purely on the fact that he well knows the game has started and has decided to not post anything at all. The conclusion that at least one of you / marv has to be mafia for me is completely logical based on the analysis on other people -- basically it is due to PoE. Again, if you do not agree with this, please point out where i am wrong in my analysis. Then we have something to argue about. Tbf, you can't just say something is scummy / wrong without actually explaining why it is that way. I feel like i have provided my thought process behind every conclusion i have made in this game -- so it would only be natural for you to actually try to disprove my conclusions if you attack my arguments, no? Again, i have already said why i think this is the case. Why is my (and Damdred's) "jump" on Rels "rushed and oppertunistic". I found out Rels' thought process illogical and the things he posted didn't match up with the conclusions he ended up with. I wanted him to elaborate further, and i don't think "that going nowhere" is my fault, since Rels' answer was basically "yeah that's what i think". In my opinion this has bearing when you analyze every single other player who has posted that far in the game. I consider it weird because if you are mafia you would either: 1) correctly call me town -- in which case it hinders your mislynch possibilities 2) incorrectly call me mafia -- in which case your logic is not sound in the first place and someone can catch you for it Furthermore at some point you were saying you didn't have a read on me. But around half of your case (idk.. is this a case?) is based on the timeline when you didn't have a read on me, and is also basically based on everything i did during that time.. How is it possible both of your statements are correct? On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote: How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ? The notable difference here is the following: What i did i pointed out why Greymist was talking about something that i NEVER said. What Rels did is he just asked "why is this scummy?". I believe this shows a lack of reading the thread properly and understanding why people say the things they do, since the correct question here, for Rels, should be "rayn never said what you claim here -- why are you saying he did?". If i actually did what Greymist said in his post that WOULD be scummy, but the fact is i didn't. I think this is the strongest point against Rels, and i missed that before. Also notice that the post Rels made came AFTER i had already posted my response to Greymist. My preferred lynch order at this point is Rels --> Hydra. On December 15 2015 06:16 Rels wrote: rayn if by your fault GM is never lynched this game I'm gonna be super mad. I don't have anything to answer your things against me. Since then you have argued that Greymist is 100% scum and mostly nothing else. Okay, it's my fault if Greymist gets not lynched this game. I take it. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:10 Rels wrote: =D funny guy. I can't fucking believe greymist forgot the reason he made an accusation post. Yeah i find that quite hilarious aswell but instead of like.. idk.. .answering people's concerns on you you decided to use all this time in telling why you are 100% sure he is mafia, when you had made your point already. | ||
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Maybe i'll just sheep DP. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:15 Rels wrote: I have no idea what question you want me to answer. In your list of points against me, only the "pointless questionning" stuff is false. The rest I cannot prove to be wrong, except that nothing is alignement indicative. ehh you literally said yourself "i don't know what i was doing on D1, my filter looks terrible". How is that fucking false? | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:19 Rels wrote: Maybe if you read the sentence again you will see I say "only the "pointless questionning" stuff is false" (= Yes i read it right. You literallysaid, on N1, that your D1 was shit -- which makes your questioning pointless. | ||
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In my opinion ~97 of those 100 questions are completely pointless and can't ever lead to finding mafia. | ||
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His actions points the most to Rels being mafia. It points the least to DP being mafia (as i have argued). Hydra is somewhere in the middle. But i don't really think this kind of "casemaking" is legit, since people don't really have control over what marv does or doesn't. Like if Rels is town here, he has no way of defending himself against "marv did something" as he has no control over what mard does. It's a cheap way to make a case in my opinion, so that's why i think your question doesn't achieve much. | ||
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Well in the end, at this point you have ended up with "rayn must be scum" when i was pushing a lynch on mafia. And you have also ended up with "this guy who is quite clearly the doctor if i read the thread properly"... So... idk, if you are town maybe you should have taken my advice after D1 and take a step back and sometimes think before you post.. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote: Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?"  But i thought you thought DP was possibly mafia aswell? | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:29 Rels wrote: I don't understand how GM is not scum here though. It's very easy. He is the un-cc'd medic. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote: Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?" But at the time where this post refers to: On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote: Otherwise here is my mind atm: rayn Damdred grey Arta/rsoul marv DP About the reiteration Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread. For DP, it feels like he's buddying a bunch of players and the GM scumread seems too easy and shallow. He also spent a lot more time on his townreads than his scumreads. There just doesn't seem to be much drive to find scum in him. It's also telling that we can't really say much about his filter besides a bunch of reasons for people to be town. Town Damdred Raynpelikoneet Leaning Town GreYMisT Leaning Scum Rels DarthPunk Mafia Marvellosity[/QUOTE] On December 14 2015 02:13 RtaniSoul wrote: @Damdy yeah, you're right. There's nothing wrong with focusing on PoE, and we definitely could be wrong about DP. Lex and I have waffled on him back and forth as we read the thread. PoE makes sense if you have no scumreads, but we still just don't see much actual scumhunting in his filter and it still bugs us. We can get a sense of where most people would be voting if they weren't voting marv, but we don't have the same feeling about DP. @DP, if you could address the above question...who is scum other than marv?...that would be nice. Those were the last posts of you on D1. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:41 GreYMisT wrote: Also, just for fun, I was literally (no joke) about to change my save to damdred. I went with someone else, deciding not to try to game the mafia and it turned out wrong. Would have been a sick play. I think you should have flipped the coin between me and Damdred because we lynched mafia. ##vote RtaniSoul | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:44 RtaniSoul wrote: Please do inform us how actively lurking and having our vote on scum is scummier than just being afk Maybe you are lying about "actively lurking". Who knows. Your story doesn't make sense anyways. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote: Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?" Post 2: About the reiteration Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread. For DP, it feels like he's buddying a bunch of players and the GM scumread seems too easy and shallow. He also spent a lot more time on his townreads than his scumreads. There just doesn't seem to be much drive to find scum in him. It's also telling that we can't really say much about his filter besides a bunch of reasons for people to be town. Town Damdred Raynpelikoneet Leaning Town GreYMisT Leaning Scum Rels DarthPunk Mafia Marvellosity Post 3: On December 14 2015 02:13 RtaniSoul wrote: @Damdy yeah, you're right. There's nothing wrong with focusing on PoE, and we definitely could be wrong about DP. Lex and I have waffled on him back and forth as we read the thread. PoE makes sense if you have no scumreads, but we still just don't see much actual scumhunting in his filter and it still bugs us. We can get a sense of where most people would be voting if they weren't voting marv, but we don't have the same feeling about DP. @DP, if you could address the above question...who is scum other than marv?...that would be nice. Those were the last posts of you on D1.[/QUOTE] Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?" Now in the Post 1 the hydra says this: "When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town" That implies (as they claim, they have been reading the thread after marv started posting but before the deadline). In case they are lying about this they are 100% scum so let's not discuss that at all. Let's assume they are telling the truth. However, they say "Artanis thought marv could be town". At this point of the game, based on Post 2 and Post 3, which are the last posts before the deadline from them, they are literally scumreading DP over Rels. It makes sense that Artanis says that, since marv is voting for DP (their top scumread). However it doesn't make any sense that rsoultin says "but who else could rels be scum with?", for these reasons: 1) It's easily possible here, if marv is in fact town, that Rels is mafia with DP -- or at least it should be for them, since nothing in their posting implicates otherwise. 2) The posts (2) and (3) are their collective thoughts. If they thought Rels is somehow mafia over DP (which can't be seen from their posting) -- well the thread is there for expressing the thought, even without reasoning laid out for it. Again, if they thought that is the case -- there is no implication for it, so it sounds like bullshit. Therefore i find it impossible they are telling the truth here. | ||
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