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On December 14 2015 17:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 17:41 Rels wrote:On December 14 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels
Lol? Wtf?
I keep town reading him for his panics and his super fast switching/ tunnels. Anyone know if he could play that kind of scum game? I thought you read some games of mine ? You didn't read any scum games ? I could do that as scum. But, WIFOM alert, I wouldn't if I was scum with marv. I skimmed some games. No scum games i think. Who do you think looks best and who looks worst from the marv flip?
You and GM look the worst for switching off marv and not voting him again. And GM looks the worst of you two for not looking for scum during EOD, but posting stuff like "never switching off Rels" and "marv does not seem like the best lynch".
That might change when I'm caught up ofc.
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On December 12 2015 23:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 23:24 Damdred wrote:
Cause you do things when town that are iteresting But they didn't push that thing until rayn said it was DP's way of playing.
haha I totally misread that post. Sry Damdred p:
TBF I have no idea how I have 4 pages of filter when I didn't do anything for the whole game. I totally understand that I was almost lynched.
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On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:
1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?
(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)
2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?
3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia? I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me. I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have. It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.
Man rereading this, it sounds even more like the lamest excuse in the universe. That's exactly the kind of answer a mafia would give to look good. And it doesn't match up with his previous post:
On December 12 2015 22:36 GreYMisT wrote:
If I'm being honest I have only had time to look at a few past games, but from what I have seen Damdred seems town to me. In his town games he seems willing to talk about other people, whereas in mafia games he only seems to ask questions to people.
I'm not sure about Darthpunk. I would have probably answered his questions differently if I were him, but admittedly that doesn't really mean anything.
I don't have an opinion on anyone else quite yet. It's unusual at least for me, for Marv not to be super active early. But it is just a quarter into the day and he might have changed his marvy ways since I last saw him. In any case, I'll have more detailed opinions later.
He didn't say "I have some opinions but I want to reread stuff / wait for more stuff to happen", he said "I don't have an opinion on anyone else quite yet". So in the later post, he changed his story from the previous post.
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On December 13 2015 08:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Oh about RSO just rephrasing the exact shit she just said and then saying it again. I am fairly sure she did that exact thing all the time in my last game with her. She was town then FWIW.
I still don't understand why rsoul would say that. rayn clearly stated in his post "DP cannot be scumread for XXX". Why would rsoul go "but rayn, let me rephrase: what we meant was XXX" ?
rayn you mentionned rsoul could have a town reason to do that; what was it ?
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On December 14 2015 00:40 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ? At that time you had yet to post anything game related. in addition, he technically wasnt scum reading you, you were in s a "??" category because you had not yet posted. Because of this, I inferred that he didnt actually have a scum read on you during that time. Also I'm not townreading you. At this point i'm just trying to bring up things as I see them. Nothing in my analysis depends on one person or antother being mafia.
1 - you didn't answer why you thought rayn's thought process about being at least 1 scum between you / marv was scummy / wrong ?
2 - so you don't townread me, but rayn / damdred calling me out on me voting someone else than the person I have the most suspicions on is scummy ? I don't understand the thought process here. Why are you not considering the fact that they could be right ? Why is pressuring someone on something weird is scummy ?
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On December 14 2015 03:17 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:![[image loading]](http://i68.tinypic.com/smrue1.jpg) See, i can't legit understand the arrows with the questionmarks. You had said, after i had done those things that you do not have a read on me. Later on, when you express your scumread on me, part of the reasoning is based on the time BEFORE you said you had no read on me. So, i can't really figure it out why you, as town, would say you don't have a read on me if i have already done something scummy. Or if you re-read and came to a different conclusion afterwards why did you not clearly point that out then? I am talking about these things here:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling.
Finally, Ryan asking my read of him. This strikes me as odd as well because it appears as though he wants to draw some early fire for an easy opportunity to defend himself through activity. A question like "why didn't you analyze me?!" Has bearing on day 2, but not a quarter into day 1 when information is still being processed.
Both of these things happened before you made this post: On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.
...where you literally state you do not have a read on me. The rest of your case i consider answered properly because it is based on you misreading one of my posts, no? Real quick, I think here lies our misunderstanding. I didn't say I had a null read on you. What I meant was that I had not analyzed your posts yet and would later. I didn't go from null read to my analysis, I went from literally no read to my analysis
That's a lie. That's true you said you reserved your analysis for later when rayn asked you about your read on him:
On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.
But that interrogation was created by that post, in which you clearly say you didn't have an opinion on him:
On December 12 2015 22:36 GreYMisT wrote:
If I'm being honest I have only had time to look at a few past games, but from what I have seen Damdred seems town to me. In his town games he seems willing to talk about other people, whereas in mafia games he only seems to ask questions to people.
I'm not sure about Darthpunk. I would have probably answered his questions differently if I were him, but admittedly that doesn't really mean anything.
I don't have an opinion on anyone else quite yet. It's unusual at least for me, for Marv not to be super active early. But it is just a quarter into the day and he might have changed his marvy ways since I last saw him. In any case, I'll have more detailed opinions later.
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On December 14 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels can you further elaborate onto your last post. I don't really get what you are saying.
Why do you not understand ? Timeline:
Time A: I don't have an opinion on anyone else (this includes rayn) => so null read on rayn
Time B: rayn => "why do you not have an opinion on me ?"
Time C: I didn't include thoughts on you 'cause I want more time to analyse you => contradicting what he said in time A
Time D: I said I didn't post my opinion on you, not that I had a null read on you => contradicting what he said in time A
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On December 14 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 00:40 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ? At that time you had yet to post anything game related. in addition, he technically wasnt scum reading you, you were in s a "??" category because you had not yet posted. Because of this, I inferred that he didnt actually have a scum read on you during that time. Also I'm not townreading you. At this point i'm just trying to bring up things as I see them. Nothing in my analysis depends on one person or antother being mafia. 1 - you didn't answer why you thought rayn's thought process about being at least 1 scum between you / marv was scummy / wrong ? 2 - so you don't townread me, but rayn / damdred calling me out on me voting someone else than the person I have the most suspicions on is scummy ? I don't understand the thought process here. Why are you not considering the fact that they could be right ? Why is pressuring someone on something weird is scummy ?
rayn what do you think of 2 ? 1, he said later he misread your post so that is solved.
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Why everybody is townreading rsoul ? Their first posts were concentrated on one player, so it's easy to make.
Their two last posts were OK. But they said they would read the link rayn sent them and didn't, while reiterating the same thing for the third time.
They weren't here for EOD when they are two players, and I find this extremely weird. I was in my birthday party and I took time to see how the game was going at deadline; I don't understand why they couldn't take time to post at EOD when they are two players.
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On December 14 2015 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:On December 14 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels can you further elaborate onto your last post. I don't really get what you are saying. Why do you not understand ? Timeline: Time A: I don't have an opinion on anyone else (this includes rayn) => so null read on rayn Time B: rayn => "why do you not have an opinion on me ?" Time C: I didn't include thoughts on you 'cause I want more time to analyse you => contradicting what he said in time A Time D: I said I didn't post my opinion on you, not that I had a null read on you => contradicting what he said in time A He later on said he had no read on me because he hadn't analyzed my posts yet as you pointed out in (D). That in my opinion makes sense with (A). I don't see how (C) contradicts (A)? Like, can you just quote all the posts based on this in a chronological order and point out what the contradiction you find is? I really don't see it.
Yep.
On December 12 2015 22:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I don't have an opinion on anyone else quite yet. It's unusual at least for me, for Marv not to be super active early. But it is just a quarter into the day and he might have changed his marvy ways since I last saw him. In any case, I'll have more detailed opinions later.
On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.
It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.
Then there is the analysis on rayn.
Then later:
On December 14 2015 03:17 GreYMisT wrote:
Real quick, I think here lies our misunderstanding. I didn't say I had a null read on you. What I meant was that I had not analyzed your posts yet and would later. I didn't go from null read to my analysis, I went from literally no read to my analysis
OK you're right, I cannot prove the first post to be "null read on rayn".
I think his excuse in the second post is weird though. Like it's a perfectly fine thing to not have a read on you at the tipme; I even think it's townie to admit it. But him finding an kinda weird explanation for not having an opinion yet is scummy to me; it feels like he has the need to defend himself against any criticism, to prove that his play at all points in time is perfectly logical.
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On December 14 2015 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:I don't think anyone is townreading them. However why are you scumreading DP?
Why did you not consider them for D1 lynch then ? And why were you townreading them after their first posts ?
About DP: I don't scumread him. He was a townlean going into EOD. His EOD was NAI IMO.
He unvoted marv then sheeped on me then left the thread; both alignement could do it; but if he's scum, him saying "I would sheep you rayn" after you say you want to switch off marv is certainly possible. It's possible he's town doing it too.
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On December 14 2015 06:53 GreYMisT wrote:
Im staying on rels
Why did you say that after asking me on my reads just there ?
On December 14 2015 06:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Rels we need another target other than Marv, what do you have and why
What in these posts did you find scummy ?
On December 14 2015 06:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 06:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Rels we need another target other than Marv, what do you have and why You or arsoul. People asking questions like that 10 min before deadline is an easy way to get townread
On December 14 2015 06:47 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem i see in marv's filter, while his posts look fine i can't believe he actually thinks -- if he read the thread as he said -- that the three people who are like mostly calling each other scum here in this game contain 2 mafia. Furthermore if he thinks this is the case, why the fuck does he not call me out for calling that impossible, or at least notice the post where i do so?
fuck it, i am back to marv is scum train.
##unvote
##vote marvellosity
IF he was just too busy to read properly then it's sad, but i just don't think that's the case. I don't know, he would push me if he was scum ?
On December 14 2015 06:49 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To be perfectly clear, i am not going to vote for anyone other than marv or Rels here. This guy is scum
On December 14 2015 06:49 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote rayn
On December 14 2015 06:50 Rels wrote:
Rayn is acting like he's thinking about the lynches, but doesn't want to vote for anyone else than two people. That's not a townie mentality
On December 14 2015 06:52 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 14 2015 06:49 Rels wrote:On December 14 2015 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To be perfectly clear, i am not going to vote for anyone other than marv or Rels here. This guy is scum Yeah dude, it's totally legit case you are making here that i am refusing to vote anyone except for my scumreads... Shut up scum
On December 14 2015 06:52 Rels wrote:
Only two other people here ? Why do I even bother talking
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On December 14 2015 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:On December 14 2015 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 14 2015 19:33 Rels wrote:
Why everybody is townreading rsoul ? I don't think anyone is townreading them. However why are you scumreading DP? Why did you not consider them for D1 lynch then ? And why were you townreading them after their first posts ? About DP: I don't scumread him. He was a townlean going into EOD. His EOD was NAI IMO. He unvoted marv then sheeped on me then left the thread; both alignement could do it; but if he's scum, him saying "I would sheep you rayn" after you say you want to switch off marv is certainly possible. It's possible he's town doing it too. Do you seriously think DP is mafia when marv places his vote on him and refuses to consider you (who i am pushing) as a lynch? That would implicate that marv is more okay with DP getting lynched than getting lynched himself, and i honestly do not think even marv thinks he has a better chance of winning the game with scum lynched on D1 than DP. I find it the most impossible answer that DP is mafia with marv -- after Damdred who hammered scum ofc.
Yep that's true. marv voting DP probably means DP is town.
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On December 14 2015 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why did you not consider them for D1 lynch then ? And why were you townreading them after their first posts ? Because they looked way better both of you and marv did (and Greymist) and there is only 2 mafia. Because their first posts sounded like something a townie would think, especially considering that is Artanis and rsoultin.
I'm not convinced of the last sentence. And I don't like how they weren't there for deadline, but I can't deny them voting their partner and gtfo is super unlikely.
Do you think the last scum has to be between GM and I ?
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On December 14 2015 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels why did you townread marv at the EOD?
I thought he would vote for me, the easy mislynch, if he was scum.
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On December 14 2015 20:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 20:01 Rels wrote:On December 14 2015 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 14 2015 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why did you not consider them for D1 lynch then ? And why were you townreading them after their first posts ? Because they looked way better both of you and marv did (and Greymist) and there is only 2 mafia. Because their first posts sounded like something a townie would think, especially considering that is Artanis and rsoultin. I'm not convinced of the last sentence. And I don't like how they weren't there for deadline, but I can't deny them voting their partner and gtfo is super unlikely. Do you think the last scum has to be between GM and I ? I don't know yet. Most likely yes, but I would not count out the hydra. I believe there is a possibility they just afk'd because they thought marv is not coming back.
I don't know about that last sentence. If you're voting your partner, you would check at EOD what's happening just in case you can switch; and they already had a perfectly usable scum lean on me.
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On December 14 2015 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 20:02 Rels wrote:On December 14 2015 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels why did you townread marv at the EOD? I thought he would vote for me, the easy mislynch, if he was scum. So you didn't even read the posts he made at all? Do you realize marv was the easy lynch on D1? Noone else was.
I skimmed his filter at some point during the last minutes, but I didn't have the time to read it.
Going out for lunch. I hope arsoul is town and comes back to prove it; them being AFK at deadline actually makes them town IMO. If that's the case, the game is won already. (=
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On December 14 2015 21:00 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels seems more scummy, but at the same time, his play just doesn't seem like he can possibly expect to the win this game proceeding as he is. Maybe it's really just GM.
Please expand. I understand being scumread for POE, but I don't see how my play is scummy, let alone the scummiest of the game.
On December 14 2015 21:00 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also, of y'all want another explanation on our DP read, ask, but we've already answered it.
If you're talking about your DP townread, it's the first time I'm hearing about it.
If you're talking about your DP scumread, did you read rayn's thoughts on it ? Do you still feel like DP's budying + not very aggressive is a scum indicator for him ? Did you read the game rayn linked ?
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On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 22:26 Rels wrote:On December 14 2015 21:00 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels seems more scummy, but at the same time, his play just doesn't seem like he can possibly expect to the win this game proceeding as he is. Maybe it's really just GM. Please expand. I understand being scumread for POE, but I don't see how my play is scummy, let alone the scummiest of the game. On December 14 2015 21:00 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also, of y'all want another explanation on our DP read, ask, but we've already answered it. If you're talking about your DP townread, it's the first time I'm hearing about it. If you're talking about your DP scumread, did you read rayn's thoughts on it ? Do you still feel like DP's budying + not very aggressive is a scum indicator for him ? Did you read the game rayn linked ? We've had a strong townread on both Rayn (me more than art, but that's splitting hairs) and Damdred since very early in the game. We just explained our DP townread, and even though we didn't mention it again in our reads post, we still feel that GM's approach to the game has been fairly townie in terms of tone and strategy. Damdred and Rayn as his main scumreads earlier, for example, is just not a winning play for scum when they're never getting lynched here. To be honest, Rels, you just haven't written anything that has made us go "ah! that looks like a town Rels!" You seem to be gunning after whatever you can get. I described it as throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. Lexy is fairly certain it's you, even though he did say that your EoD play looked like stream of consciousness to him. As I said earlier, if you and marv are scum together there's literally nowhere you can go. The only thing giving me pause is you didn't buss marv there which you should have as scum partners, but frankly you should have anyway. That and the townread on us, which is right, but really isn't to your advantage if you're scum.
OK so you scumread me by POE, 'cause others are townier than I am.
On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote:
As for your DP questions, he's gotten more aggressive and honestly no, we didn't read the link. First we were travelling, then we got distracted, then we got sick and didn't care. Like, honestly I was buying groceries so we didn't have to go out to eat and we thought the deadline was an hour later.
But also to be honest, since we're townreading rayn, we accepted what he said anyway. Our phrasing may have been bad. We didn't feel like DP was really scumhunting, but it doesn't really look that way anymore and we don't think it matters anyway given EoD.
If you accepted what rayn said, why did you repeat here:
On December 13 2015 01:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
P.S. Thanks rayn! I'll take a look at your link...later? Maybe when I'm waiting at the airport to pick up Lex. Also, just to be clear, my point was the buddying and not the aggression...I am well aware that DP can be aggressive as either alignment, and we are both aware that Imperial is different, which is why I looked up the other town game (Avogadro, to be precise). So let me rephrase. Buddying without pushing anything early game is what caught our attention.
And here:
On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
About the reiteration
Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread.
why you scumread DP ? rayn's post was very clear that this exact thing (buddying without being too aggressive) was not scum indicative for him.
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On December 14 2015 23:39 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2015 15:03 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 12 2015 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2015 13:52 RtaniSoul wrote:
*sanctioned message by both heads
We are seeking a third head. Please apply.
Unless your name is DP and your nose is firmly up everyone's ass already.
Carry on ^^ That's how he posts. Game? I've been mislynched once on this site, in large part because I failed to convince geript that DP was a skeezy scumbucket with a geript in his pocket. Artie remembers Imperial and remembers a more aggressive DP. I glanced through the town game before that just in case replacing in might have had an effect on DP's play, but no dice. Aggressive there right out the starting gate. These are only a few games, but given they support the perception we already have... Where you getting this from, rayn? -waves at DP- Because pointing out that you're buddying people is definitely not worth mentioning or anything ^^ We up for a round two? This is the last game i remember playing with DarthPunk when we were both town. This is his filter in the game. Basically i know DP is usually aggressive and i can see where you are coming from. Obviously it's nor out of the realm of possibilities he is mafia here, but i disagree in him not being "aggressive enough" makes him mafia.He treats different people differently, and i know for a fact he buddies to strong players (if you read the filter the "proof" is there).Basically this game is filled with people who in my opinion do not respond well -- or at all -- to pressure, at least unfounded pressure (i mean situations where the game has went on for hours and there is not really anything scummy in thread -- disagree?). At the time you called him out, what in your opinion should he have done as town? Should he have questioned something? Should he have pressured something more? In my opinion, when i read the thread at that point, i didn't see anything wrong -- which is i, myself decided to comment on the only read i could be even semi-sure of. Also bringing up Imperial is in my opinion a bit of a misjudgement (or what the fuck is the word). He replaced into a game on N3...... Of course there is going to be some reads he has rofl. If he hadn't any reads on a thread that is @ N3, he could just quit mafia. Comparing that game to this one (at 6 hours into the game with only 3 people properly even posting) is quite a stretch. What rayn actually said, Rels. He says our read based on aggression is NAI and that DP buddies regardless. That's probably true and we see no reason for rayn to lie to us, given we don't have as much experience with DP. Now, we didn't like that he didn't seem to be scumhunting and used the buddying and lack of aggression as an example. In the last post you quoted, you missed the salient point. We felt that DP was a non-entity in the thread. That goes beyond buzzwords like "buddying" or "aggression," don't you think?
OK, so I missed it on your last post, he was potential scum for being a non-entity.
On December 14 2015 23:39 RtaniSoul wrote:
In the end, we trusted rayn that buddying and lack of aggression alone doesn't make DP scum and couldn't be assed to do a meta dive.
This has nothing to do with being a non-entity, so I don't understand why you changed your mind ?
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