On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote: Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.
You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.
If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.
The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.
What we want here is very simple.
We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.
We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.
So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.
Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy
I don't think this post is likely to come from town.
First the potential scum motivation here is obvious: appeal to emotion so they look townie. So let's look at potential town motivation.
I have two problems when I try to imagine this coming from townies.
One A general impression: Artasoul rescinds their "Rels is 100% scum" mentality to go to "Mm maybe Rels is town we need to look at DP". The thing is it's been a few hours since they anounced DP might actually be the last scum, since that post:
On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote: arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.
If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:
If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?
##Unvote ##Vote RtaniSoul
and all they did since is say "mm maybe DP is the last scum and we were wrong", without nothing to show for it. A townie would have looked for why DP might be scum before saying such a thing. It's even truer since they are hydras, so they can talk about stuff like this together; I don't understand the townie motivation of posting "DP might actually the last scum" without having looked for it; then continue to not look for it; but do big emotionnal posts about why they are doing it. The only motivation for doing this (explaining themselves while doing nothing) is appearing good. And the only motivation for a townie to appear good is if they feel guilty about playing bad and tunneling me. It is a possibility, but I don't think it is likely at all.
Two On one detail: they say "But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP)" Well, the little post I made above is nothing compared to that one I made yesterday:
On December 15 2015 07:09 RtaniSoul wrote: Okay, we've decided to re-evaluate everything and we've come to some shocking revelations.
After rereading over all the posts, we've decided Rayn is the most likely scum. He was inconsistent in his reads on Greymist. At first, he didn't want to lynch him, then suddenly he does. It just doesn't make any sense.
Secondly, we also think Damdred is mafia. LoneMeow is a bastard host and it was actually Rels who flipped vanilla town. Marv was also town.
DarthPunk we aren't sure on. We thought he might be town because he buddied people early but then he started making posts that made sense so now we're not sure.
GreYMisT.. Well, we thought he was town for everything but then he misconstrued something he once said in an argument about an argument in an argument so we guess he's mafia anyway.
Unfortunately this means the game is already lost because there's too many mafia
You're bad. You're two players, and you two are the worst players in this game.
On December 12 2015 13:52 RtaniSoul wrote: *sanctioned message by both heads
We are seeking a third head. Please apply.
Unless your name is DP and your nose is firmly up everyone's ass already.
Carry on ^^
That's how he posts.
Game?
I've been mislynched once on this site, in large part because I failed to convince geript that DP was a skeezy scumbucket with a geript in his pocket. Artie remembers Imperial and remembers a more aggressive DP. I glanced through the town game before that just in case replacing in might have had an effect on DP's play, but no dice. Aggressive there right out the starting gate.
These are only a few games, but given they support the perception we already have...
Where you getting this from, rayn?
-waves at DP- Because pointing out that you're buddying people is definitely not worth mentioning or anything ^^ We up for a round two?
On December 12 2015 13:52 RtaniSoul wrote: *sanctioned message by both heads
We are seeking a third head. Please apply.
Unless your name is DP and your nose is firmly up everyone's ass already.
Carry on ^^
That's how he posts.
Game?
I've been mislynched once on this site, in large part because I failed to convince geript that DP was a skeezy scumbucket with a geript in his pocket. Artie remembers Imperial and remembers a more aggressive DP. I glanced through the town game before that just in case replacing in might have had an effect on DP's play, but no dice. Aggressive there right out the starting gate.
These are only a few games, but given they support the perception we already have...
Where you getting this from, rayn?
-waves at DP- Because pointing out that you're buddying people is definitely not worth mentioning or anything ^^ We up for a round two?
This is the last game i remember playing with DarthPunk when we were both town. This is his filter in the game.
Basically i know DP is usually aggressive and i can see where you are coming from. Obviously it's nor out of the realm of possibilities he is mafia here, but i disagree in him not being "aggressive enough" makes him mafia. He treats different people differently, and i know for a fact he buddies to strong players (if you read the filter the "proof" is there).
Basically this game is filled with people who in my opinion do not respond well -- or at all -- to pressure, at least unfounded pressure (i mean situations where the game has went on for hours and there is not really anything scummy in thread -- disagree?). At the time you called him out, what in your opinion should he have done as town? Should he have questioned something? Should he have pressured something more? In my opinion, when i read the thread at that point, i didn't see anything wrong -- which is i, myself decided to comment on the only read i could be even semi-sure of.
Also bringing up Imperial is in my opinion a bit of a misjudgement (or what the fuck is the word). He replaced into a game on N3...... Of course there is going to be some reads he has rofl. If he hadn't any reads on a thread that is @ N3, he could just quit mafia. Comparing that game to this one (at 6 hours into the game with only 3 people properly even posting) is quite a stretch.
Then BEFORE RECONSIDERING IT, YOU POST THE FUCKING SAME READ TWO MORE TIMES, THEN YOU SAY "OK RAYN WAS RIGHT WE WERE WRONG". WHY DID YOU REPOST THE SAME READ WITHOUT CHECKING WHAT RAYN SAID ??????? ITS USELESS, IT CLUTTERS THE THREAD, IT DOESNT HAVE A PURPOSE
On December 13 2015 01:10 RtaniSoul wrote: P.S. Thanks rayn! I'll take a look at your link...later? Maybe when I'm waiting at the airport to pick up Lex. Also, just to be clear, my point was the buddying and not the aggression...I am well aware that DP can be aggressive as either alignment, and we are both aware that Imperial is different, which is why I looked up the other town game (Avogadro, to be precise). So let me rephrase. Buddying without pushing anything early game is what caught our attention.
On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote: About the reiteration Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread.
Here you say DP's townread in not at all based on rayn:
On December 14 2015 21:00 RtaniSoul wrote: Lexy really thinks DP is town based on his later posting, and I'm gonna trust him over me. We realize that there wasn't much thread sentiment to move to DP and it could have been considered a safe buss attempt, but Occam's razor suggests marv doesn't put his vote on his scummate to get out of a nearly inevitable lynch. We also don't see marv risking lynching his scumbuddy because he's not likely to play afterward.
Then here it's partly based on rayn's read:
On December 14 2015 23:39 RtaniSoul wrote: In the end, we trusted rayn that buddying and lack of aggression alone doesn't make DP scum and couldn't be assed to do a meta dive.
Which bring me to a parenthesis: YOU ANSWER PARTIALLY TO QUESTIONS
Why is GM townie for scumreading Damdred & rayn, when he dropped these scumreads at the most opportunistic time (deadline) ?
You agreed with Damdred & rayn probing me concerning the marv vote here:
On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote: Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts.
GM found Damdred scummy about the way Damdred probed me concerning the marv vote:
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote: The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement.
Why do you townread GM for attacking Damdred because Damdred did something you agreed with ?
You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird.
"We townread DP because WIFOM WIFOM". That's bad but OK.
Why is GM townie for scumreading Damdred & rayn, when he dropped these scumreads at the most opportunistic time (deadline) ?
You agreed with Damdred & rayn probing me concerning the marv vote here:
On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote: Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts.
GM found Damdred scummy about the way Damdred probed me concerning the marv vote:
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote: The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement.
Why do you townread GM for attacking Damdred because Damdred did something you agreed with ?
You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird.
Your reason for townreading GM isn't good then. It's "scum wouldn't do that!" It's similar for your reason for townreading me. "scum!Rels wouldn't vote someone else than marv at EOD!" They're weak.
If those were our only reasons, then yes, they would be weak.
Also, rayn's reasons for townreading GM are excellent lol ><
OH I DIDNT MENTION IT IN THE LAST ANSWER BUT WE HAVE OTHER REASONS TOO HURR DURR END OF PARENTHESIS BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO BAD READS:
On December 15 2015 01:06 RtaniSoul wrote: So our view on Rels' recent posting is that it feels like the tone is more townie in that he's working with us and asking questions which is more indicative of his Townplay, but the things he's trying to nail people on are things that have either already been explained or aren't that strong and it feels a bit like "hey, can I nail them on this?" "nope? damn, let me try this instead". That's kind of the impression he's leaving on us right now.
MY GOD HOW DARE RELS ASK US QUESTIONS TO SEE IF WE RE SCUM, THEN DONT FIND SOMETHING SCUMMY IN OUR ANSWERS AND GO DO SOMETHING ELSE E EZ SCUM
On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote: To be honest, Rels, you just haven't written anything that has made us go "ah! that looks like a town Rels!" You seem to be gunning after whatever you can get. I described it as throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks.
BECAUSE THAT IS TOTALLY NOT HOW I SCUM HUNT USUALLY HOW DARE RELS THROW SEVERAL SPAGHETTIS AND SEE THE ONE THAT STICKS ON SCUM You scumread me for POE, which is OK, AND for asking "pointless questions trying to nail suspicions on someone" which is outrageous. THAT S TRUE, HOW DARE RELS BE SUSPICIOUS OF US WHEN WE HAD SUCH A PERFECT EOD ??? WE JUST WERE AFK DURING DEADLINE AND 13 HOURS AFTER IT BECAUSE I WAS SHOPPING THE WHOLE CITY. Oh Arta ??? uh .... he was sick
What is EVEN WORSE is that you also scumread me by POE because of this SUPERBE GM townread:
On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote: we still feel that GM's approach to the game has been fairly townie in terms of tone and strategy. Damdred and Rayn as his main scumreads earlier, for example, is just not a winning play for scum when they're never getting lynched here.
We townread this experienced player because TONE and HE WOULDNT WEAR PANTS IN HIS HEAD IF HE WAS SCUM RIGHT ????
Now can you two can link me ONE time in any town game a moment where someone else ask you to explain your reasonning, and you MAKE UP A NEW ONE BEFORE REALIZING IT WASNT IT ?
And here is how they reacted to "me playing dirty":
On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote: Quite simply, the doctor should claim so there's no chance of a scum fake claim in lylo/mylo (with a couple possible exceptions that should be obvious).
We could try hard here, but what's the point? Lynch Rels, and if he for some weird reason flips town, lynch GM. DP is right; if GM is scum it's not for that. To us the game is basically solved? So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean. Newsflash: we're townie because we're town, not some stupid bullshit mindfuck only scum players are townie narrative. (Yes, I'm looking at you, rayn.)
There is a difference on their reactions to the same type of post, that they should react to the same; the only different thing is the context, as after the first post they had decided I was scum, and after the second one they had decided I might be town. Someone having different reactions based on what they have decided is likely to be scum.
mm since we have a nice intermission before shit going down, I will take a moment to calm down. I was super mad the whole day yesterday and it's time to relax.
On December 17 2015 17:31 Rels wrote: rayn when you're around, poke me
You don't want to talk to me?
Sure bro, what do you want to talk about ?
I really like the way you play for starters you have done an excellent job this game. I really thought you were town for the way you fanatically pushed RSO. It's kinda of shocking that you are mafia actually.
How long have you been playing mafia for?
Bastard. There is no praise in that post since I'm not scum. This is a hidden slap to my face p: 8 month BTW. I still have no idea how to detect town and scum mindset apparently. Your posts all seem town motivated to me, apart the martyring ones that rayn loved so much.
On December 17 2015 17:04 DarthPunk wrote: At this point there is no way Rayn is scum over rels and if Rayn IS scum he deserves the win.
This is a way of thinking I've been fighting BTW. Only lazy townies and scum think like that. I thought that yesterday when we lynched artasoul: "at least I'm not losing to them being scum", but I wanna win.
On December 17 2015 17:31 Rels wrote: rayn when you're around, poke me
You don't want to talk to me?
Sure bro, what do you want to talk about ?
I really like the way you play for starters you have done an excellent job this game. I really thought you were town for the way you fanatically pushed RSO. It's kinda of shocking that you are mafia actually.
How long have you been playing mafia for?
Bastard. There is no praise in that post since I'm not scum. This is a hidden slap to my face p: 8 month BTW. I still have no idea how to detect town and scum mindset apparently. Your posts all seem town motivated to me, apart the martyring ones that rayn loved so much.
The matyring was legit. And so was the praise.
This is my last game and I really would have been fine being lynched. And I really do think you have played really well. You remind me of myself for real.
Let's imagine you're scum. You are the most objectively scummy person in the game. But you win because you make a bullshit emotionnal post. Would you be happy with your win ?
On December 17 2015 18:11 DarthPunk wrote: obviously you are not going to admit to it all being real. But really, in post game lets chat about mafia.
I suppose there is a small chance rayn is scum. He played a fantastic game if that is the case. Especially, him reacting so fast to things happening in thread is extremely hard; I know, I've tried to play like that as scum and slipped. Like, I'm talking to making a big post cementing his reads, and getting rid of it the second I point something illogical in GM's story; or him reacting to Artasoul making AtE, then you making AtE, then me not making AtE 'cause I don't do them as town.
On December 17 2015 18:18 Rels wrote: What in Artasoul's post against me made you think "maybe these guys are town" ?
I guess it was the matyring that really made me shift my viewpoint and the not caring if dying attitude because at that point only scum really cared if they died or not. Like scum needed to survive and here was the hydra really seeming to not give a fuck if they died.
That shifted again when it appeared that they actually did care but were acting like they did not which is scummy objectively IMO.
On December 14 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote: [b]The Hydra[\b]
I legit think RSO is just bad at the game. Not sure if they are scum even though they are doing dumb stuff and clearly give zero fucks about the outcome of the lynch, that interaction within the hydra is tough to fake.
What dumb stuff are you talking about, and why are they bad at the game here ?
On December 14 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote: The Hydra[\b]
I legit think RSO is just bad at the game. Not sure if they are scum even though they are doing dumb stuff and clearly give zero fucks about the outcome of the lynch, that interaction within the hydra is tough to fake.
What dumb stuff are you talking about, and why are they bad at the game here ?
They were trolling, didn't really fucking try calling me scum for bad meta reasons or no reason at all.
Rephrasing the same argument after rayn said it was invalid etc.
OK. Then what did they do to look bad here:
[B]On December 15 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote: OK im around for like 15 minutes before I have to go to bed.
Some things.
I'm not the medic.
Rels looks really townie to me.
I think RSO looks bad.
I think the medic should probably claim if a save doesn't effect the number of mis-lynches we get because a confirmed townie is really strong in a small game.
Free to chat for a little if anyone is around while I read through some stuff.
On December 17 2015 18:47 DarthPunk wrote: They were getting trashed by you in your arguments and within your interaction and seemed to get stuck on the same loops of logic without being able to see out of it.
Can you quote one argument where I attack them pretty please ?
On December 17 2015 18:47 DarthPunk wrote: They were getting trashed by you in your arguments and within your interaction and seemed to get stuck on the same loops of logic without being able to see out of it.
Can you quote one argument where I attack them pretty please ?
can you stop twisting my words. You were arguing and you trashed them, you were winning the arguments. I didn't say that you attacked them. I can;t remember if you did or you didn;t, but you clearly are very aware as you keep on trying to trap me into saying something incorrect.
Reading your filter, you were so vague all game that I have no idea what you really meant in most of your posts when I get rid of my preconception of what you would answer.
On December 17 2015 18:47 DarthPunk wrote: They were getting trashed by you in your arguments and within your interaction and seemed to get stuck on the same loops of logic without being able to see out of it.
Can you quote one argument where I attack them pretty please ?
can you stop twisting my words. You were arguing and you trashed them, you were winning the arguments. I didn't say that you attacked them. I can;t remember if you did or you didn;t, but you clearly are very aware as you keep on trying to trap me into saying something incorrect.
Reading your filter, you were so vague all game that I have no idea what you really meant in most of your posts when I get rid of my preconception of what you would answer.
Probably because it all made sense in context and you removed the context.
No it doesn't. There is something weird in your read of artasoul. You explain your townread by them "not giving a fuck and martyring"; well when you made your vote, they had already gone into their "not giving a fuck and martyring" phase for quite some time. This post you replied to is actually a good example:
On December 16 2015 06:18 RtaniSoul wrote: If you want to win the game today instead of in 72 hours you should probably lynch Rels instead
I don't think rels is more likely to be scum than you are. I actually quite strongly believe the opposite.
But even before, your vote is there:
On December 16 2015 06:08 DarthPunk wrote: I think the hydra is a better lynch than Rels.
Rayn I would love to play one of these games where the mafia team tries a bit harder. It kinda sucks that the game is solved already.
Anyway
##vote: RtaniSoul
And here are the recent posts of artasoul at that point: + Show Spoiler +
On December 15 2015 07:09 RtaniSoul wrote: Okay, we've decided to re-evaluate everything and we've come to some shocking revelations.
After rereading over all the posts, we've decided Rayn is the most likely scum. He was inconsistent in his reads on Greymist. At first, he didn't want to lynch him, then suddenly he does. It just doesn't make any sense.
Secondly, we also think Damdred is mafia. LoneMeow is a bastard host and it was actually Rels who flipped vanilla town. Marv was also town.
DarthPunk we aren't sure on. We thought he might be town because he buddied people early but then he started making posts that made sense so now we're not sure.
GreYMisT.. Well, we thought he was town for everything but then he misconstrued something he once said in an argument about an argument in an argument so we guess he's mafia anyway.
Unfortunately this means the game is already lost because there's too many mafia
On December 15 2015 07:10 RtaniSoul wrote: ##Vote Clarity
On December 15 2015 07:26 GreYMisT wrote: I take it you dont feel good about rayns "plan" then?
His plan is obviously good for town. That's why we lol'd.
On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote: Quite simply, the doctor should claim so there's no chance of a scum fake claim in lylo/mylo (with a couple possible exceptions that should be obvious).
We could try hard here, but what's the point? Lynch Rels, and if he for some weird reason flips town, lynch GM. DP is right; if GM is scum it's not for that. To us the game is basically solved? So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean. Newsflash: we're townie because we're town, not some stupid bullshit mindfuck only scum players are townie narrative. (Yes, I'm looking at you, rayn.)
On December 15 2015 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: But since both of hydra/Rels are okay with the game being solved i guess i am aswell. And i will not accept any "OH NO THE GAME IS NOT ACTUALLY OVER" in case the first one we flip flips town.
We're fine with both us/Rels getting lynched if GM is in fact the doc. ##Vote Rels
On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote: So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean.
Most of your reads are based on terrible reasons.
Doesn't matter if we're right scum We're quite happy with our reads this game, thank you
On December 16 2015 00:25 RtaniSoul wrote: So we won unless DP is somehow scum nice. Gg rels
On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote: Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?"
On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote: Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?"
But i thought you thought DP was possibly mafia aswell?
Possible but very unlikely. we can't get him lynched over us anyway so we're okay with losing if he's scum.
On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote: Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?"
Wait. What time are you talking about exactly ?
LOL yes that cannot be interpreted another way. It's a time AFTER marv started posting but BEFORE his alignement was known. Arsoultin didn't post a single post during that period. So they were observing but didn't post in the crisis that was EOD1.
We checked in to check once when marv was posting and then everyone was switching to rels and we were fine with that. After that we got the deadline wrong by an hour so we missed that part.
On December 16 2015 00:38 Rels wrote: Concede please (= I'm super happy you're not bad townies. I was super mad this morning about your badness but I couldn't consider you town over GM making up a reason for his own post.
You tried so hard and got so far but in the end you're still getting lynched today or tomorrow
On December 16 2015 00:38 Rels wrote: Concede please (= I'm super happy you're not bad townies. I was super mad this morning about your badness but I couldn't consider you town over GM making up a reason for his own post.
You tried so hard and got so far but in the end you're still getting lynched today or tomorrow
Man if I lose this game because you saw that marv posted but didn't bother writing stuff, I have no problem (= actually if you're town I want us to concede. Now way scum should lose here.
Please do inform us how actively lurking and having our vote on scum is scummier than just being afk
On December 16 2015 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: No there is a really big inconsistancy in what the hydra says in contrast to how they had acted before / at the time marv started posting (regardless of if they are telling the truth about reading marv's posts there or not).
Don't really care as long as you lynch rels tomorrow but lay it down anyway
On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote: So here's where we're at right now.
We kind of think Damdred and Rayn are easy townreads right now. Damdred for being lighthearted and happy to interact. Rayn for not tunneling and actually attempting to interact with his reads.
Kind of leaning town on GreY. Just don't think he'd go after Damdy and Rayn when everyone and their mom is townreading them. Especially if Marv is mafia, he'd actually have to line up mislynches and no one wants to lynch either of them right now. We don't think the post about Rayn being vocal was alignment indicative, and a bunch of things in his big post stuck out as townish. One thing we didn't like though was the marv post and trying to get him modkilled instead, but that would be an easy scum tactic that doesn't make much sense in combination with trying to push damdred/rayn. We think he's just wrong mostly.
Marv is clearly scum at this point. ##Vote Marvellosity
Which leaves DP and Rels for the last scum.
Some of what Rels has posted looks okay and some of it doesn't. There's a few instances where it seems like he's throwing suspicions on people without trying to figure them out like he did The way he approached DP and our slot in a way that seems more focused on burying rather than solving. An exception to that would be this post:
On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote: while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement.
How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions.
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote: The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however.
On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda.
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote: The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion.
He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ?
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote: First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling.
You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ?
Where it feels like he's actually trying to work with GM.
Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts.
On December 12 2015 23:27 Rels wrote: ##Vote marv Do stuff or die.
Otherwise here is my mind atm:
rayn Damdred grey
Arta/rsoul marv
DP
About the reiteration Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread.
For DP, it feels like he's buddying a bunch of players and the GM scumread seems too easy and shallow. He also spent a lot more time on his townreads than his scumreads. There just doesn't seem to be much drive to find scum in him. It's also telling that we can't really say much about his filter besides a bunch of reasons for people to be town.
Town Damdred Raynpelikoneet
Leaning Town GreYMisT
Leaning Scum Rels DarthPunk
Mafia Marvellosity
Okay, first off we admit that we have been playing this game very lackadaisically. We've been taking full advantage of being a hydra where we can work things out together. We also haven't been paying this game as much attention as it probably deserves.
That said, the above post was our reads before marv. Clearly if marv is town, as Lex thought, our two scumreads become Rels and DP. There were 5 votes on Rels when Lex checked the thread, 1 on DP and 1 on marv, so he didn't feel the need to post or change his vote while I was out. He was waiting for me to get back and we both didn't realize deadline was at 4 (our time) instead of 5.
As for my comment on Rels...he'd gone after so many people in the thread that it just seemed really unlikely he was scum with DP or GM, and we had strong townreads on Damdred and rayn. So for both of us a Rels lynch was likely to hit scum, though I wasn't assuming marv was town like Lex was. Thus we didn't care perhaps as much as we should have. There are reasons for that but we're not going to go into it.
Quite simply you have to ask yourselves why marv tries to get out of his lynch and why we don't take advantage of the Rels lynch. You could make the argument that we just assumed it would go through, and we're horrible scum players who both didn't follow thread and didn't keep track of the deadline when marv, who everyone knows doesn't like to play scum, is trying to get a mislynch.
And if you think that's likely, go ahead and lynch us. Then lynch Rels.
On December 16 2015 04:17 RtaniSoul wrote: And if you think that's likely, go ahead and lynch us. Then lynch Rels.
OK let's do that.
Are you willing to give up when we flip town?
Like, the "trashing game" had finished from their part, they had been martyring and not giving a fuck for more than about 24 hours, but you still held up to your scumread on them, even though they are doing something that will later make you townread them.
On December 17 2015 19:02 DarthPunk wrote: here is a series of posts by the hydra shorty before I said they looked bad.
At this point of the game givben the context in which rayn is essentially universally town read having the medic claim and then solving by PoE is without question the correct play.
However the hydra proceeds to troll and fuck up the productivity of the thread that a fucking universal town read is trying to establish.
It was fucking anti town and dumb and I wanted to lynch the hydra so fucking badly for it. Especially cause at the time you were doing much the same as you are now, continuing to post and probe and TRY through adversity. Which I value ALOT when making assessments of players. ESPECIALLY when they are newish and I have no preconceived Ideas as to their play style or expectations of their ability level.
Furthermore. Artanis and RSO are supposed to be good townies when they try and I KNOW artanis tries less as scum so it all fit the expectations of what their scumplay would look like in this situation.
On December 17 2015 19:02 DarthPunk wrote: here is a series of posts by the hydra shorty before I said they looked bad.
At this point of the game givben the context in which rayn is essentially universally town read having the medic claim and then solving by PoE is without question the correct play.
However the hydra proceeds to troll and fuck up the productivity of the thread that a fucking universal town read is trying to establish.
It was fucking anti town and dumb and I wanted to lynch the hydra so fucking badly for it. Especially cause at the time you were doing much the same as you are now, continuing to post and probe and TRY through adversity. Which I value ALOT when making assessments of players. ESPECIALLY when they are newish and I have no preconceived Ideas as to their play style or expectations of their ability level.
Furthermore. Artanis and RSO are supposed to be good townies when they try and I KNOW artanis tries less as scum so it all fit the expectations of what their scumplay would look like in this situation.
On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: RtaniSoul you're actually the medic?
On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: RtaniSoul you're actually the medic?
No, we're the vigilante.
On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote: We're also a death miller detective.
On December 15 2015 07:13 RtaniSoul wrote: And possibly schizophrenic.
When you voted them and said they were more likely to be scum than me, they had claimed they were not the doc
Them claiming doc or not is not the point. The point is they were trolling and shitting up productive thread pushes by confirmed town.Scum was never ever gonna claim medic so I don't know why you telling me they didn't claim doc is relevant at all.
Yep that is true. I can't find slips in your story. The only thing I have against you is your vagueness and you keeping your options open all game. And not reacting quickly to stuff like rayn. Does it mean rayn is scum ? Is there a possible world where rayn doesn't lynch me ? I find it hard to believe, unless Damdred pressured him into lynching marv, but I'm pretty sure it's the inverse tha happened.
On December 14 2015 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem i see in marv's filter, while his posts look fine i can't believe he actually thinks -- if he read the thread as he said -- that the three people who are like mostly calling each other scum here in this game contain 2 mafia. Furthermore if he thinks this is the case, why the fuck does he not call me out for calling that impossible, or at least notice the post where i do so?
fuck it, i am back to marv is scum train. ##unvote ##vote marvellosity IF he was just too busy to read properly then it's sad, but i just don't think that's the case.
Yep. First guy to jump back to marv, using his "those 3 cant be scum together" analysis.
On December 14 2015 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem i see in marv's filter, while his posts look fine i can't believe he actually thinks -- if he read the thread as he said -- that the three people who are like mostly calling each other scum here in this game contain 2 mafia. Furthermore if he thinks this is the case, why the fuck does he not call me out for calling that impossible, or at least notice the post where i do so?
fuck it, i am back to marv is scum train. ##unvote ##vote marvellosity IF he was just too busy to read properly then it's sad, but i just don't think that's the case.
Yep. First guy to jump back to marv, using his "those 3 cant be scum together" analysis.
Yes, rayn is town congrats.
I hope GM / rayn finds you scummy then. I will not roll over and die and make them lose if they scumread me; but fighting against every player in the thread is stressful.
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