EPTmarv was not voting me when it was the obvious way to survive.
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On December 17 2015 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I FUCKING CAN'T. I don't know if there is a scum motive or town motive, I can't do that either with your posts aswell... I am waffling like a fucking ping pong ball and i don't even know why.. I don't find your conversation with them useful from either end rn.. This is a weird post. The scum motivation in Artasoul posts is obvious: appealing to emotions to survive. If you can't find a townie motivation, I don't see why you are not considering the scum motivation to be likely. I also don't see how you can not find a townie motivation in my posts. You could be doubtful that it's faked; but you not finding it is weird. | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, and this points towards you being town how? Like this is my biggest problem. Why does marv not vote for you if you are town? WHY THE FUCK DOES HE NOT VOTE FOR A TOWNIE WHEN IT WILL SAVE HIM 99 % OF THE TIME?!?!?! It doesn't show I'm town. What I'm pointing out as weird is: On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote: I told lex when I first saw this post that if marv is scum, Rels had a good chance of being his partner for this. It's completely lining up the switch from marv to DP the moment marv posts. If Artasoul finds weird that marv doesn't vote for me, it's weird they are not considering that I found it weird to and reacted by townreading marv. | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: because i do not think there is scum motive either. AtE is wifom at best. AtE is as much of a scum motive than it is a town motive. BECAUSE IT IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE!!! Otherwise both the hydra and DP would be mafia. They're appealing to you directly in that post; without checking if their gut feel is true first; and while promising to do a "filter analysis" as soon as you accept. | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand any of the shit you say here in this stream of quotes. It's like you are talking about two different things and somehow making it seem like they are one thing... I'm obvious town. But marv WIFOM is a strong argument against me. The end; GG marv. I still don't understand you. You are 100% sure Artasoul is scum; then they make a bunch of posts that you say "there are AtE so they are NAI!"; and you don't scumread them anymore. | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:56 Rels wrote: I'm obvious town. But marv WIFOM is a strong argument against me. The end; GG marv. I still don't understand you. You are 100% sure Artasoul is scum; then they make a bunch of posts that you say "there are AtE so they are NAI!"; and you don't scumread them anymore. This doesn't make sense. | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, that's not what anyone is saying. Hydra is/was saying it most likely makes you mafia!! what the fuck does this mean? Of course you are not gonna admit/say that marv did not vote for you because you are mafia. What the fuck is this sentence even TRYING to say? You're right, it only makes sense from my PoV. This is something that point at me being scum and I can't do anything against it. So it also true it's normal Artasoul didn't consider it from "Rels is town" perspective, whatever their alignement is. | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fine. Then call me fucking scum and see how that goes. No you being super unsure is town indicative actually. But either explain to me what did you find townie a these NAI posts, or realize that it's not logical for you to think that. | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:59 RtaniSoul wrote: Why not? Only DP and I can be scum to you, right? How does his post merit that sort of reaction? | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:59 RtaniSoul wrote: Why not? Only DP and I can be scum to you, right? How does his post merit that sort of reaction? Cause I'm pretty sure I'm the lynch tomorrow if DP is lynched today. | ||
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On December 17 2015 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no "rels is town" -perspective for anyone because YOUR REACTION IS MOST LIKELY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF YOUR AFFILIATION!! That is the point. Yep I agree. What I've accused rsoul of doing here is not true. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote: If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn: If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town? ##Unvote ##Vote RtaniSoul On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote: You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us. You should probably focus on burying rels now. On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote: We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother. On December 16 2015 19:35 RtaniSoul wrote: No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today. On December 16 2015 19:38 RtaniSoul wrote: There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him. On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote: Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing. You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum. If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip. The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here. What we want here is very simple. We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment. We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game. So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things. Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy  Later you've said these posts are NAI: On December 17 2015 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I FUCKING CAN'T. I don't know if there is a scum motive or town motive, I can't do that either with your posts aswell... I am waffling like a fucking ping pong ball and i don't even know why.. I don't find your conversation with them useful from either end rn.. Obviously they are not NAI to you since you've completely changed your mind. So please take the time to think and write in words exactly what in those posts made you think arsoul is town. | ||
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On December 17 2015 01:13 RtaniSoul wrote: Maybe it's cause of our feelings about this game that I just find DP's reaction more townie than flailing about wildly? (Sorry if you're town Rels, but that's the impression you're giving me.) What does flailing mean exactly ? Cause the definition I have in mind doesn't describe what I've done at all. | ||
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On December 17 2015 01:17 RtaniSoul wrote: It means searching for something in a way that is more chaotic than systematic, in this context. Well I don't see how I'm doing it. And it sounds better than seeing my main scumread posting in thread after 40 hours of AFK and doing nothing. | ||
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On December 17 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, that is not the case. I have had really hard time figuring out what is scummy and what is not and what is townie here on this phase. I have multiple times gone through every single fucking filter in the game and tried to make some sense of it. Basically everyone has been in the "i don't fucking know category". First i thought you are most likely to be scum. Then i ditched that idea. Then i went to read DP and Hydra again. Then i thought DP is scum. Then i ditched that idea. Now i am back to thinking you are scum. I can't point to any single post, i just do not know, and the Hydra is very fucking close to you -- basically the difference between you and them is that you didn't even TRY to convince me you are town at the end of N1 (or after the post i made which i said i think you are scum in). Then you haven't made any analysis on the marv stuff. The marv stuff HAS to mean something, everyone else has made analysis of it. You haven't. It looks the worst on you, but there MUST be an explanation -- if you are town, just because it's fucking impossible there is not. And the fact you don't even try to explain that stuff makes me think you can't make up an explanation for it. If you yourself cannot imagine an explanation as to why marv did that in case I'm town, I don't see why I should have the responsability to make up one myself. But whatever. You've said you wouldn't lynch me if I was town. I'm actually OK with you lynching me if: - I'm lynched today - you lynch artsoul tomorrow WHATEVER HAPPEN EVEN IF THEY SUCK YOUR DICK AND DP AFK FOR 72 HOURS So take your decision. | ||
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On December 17 2015 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it makes you look bad and it is your responsibility to prove you are town, not mine. No. I think we cannot guess why marv voting DP instead of me. The only logical answers are "Rels is scum" and "DP is probably not scum". | ||
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On December 14 2015 05:38 Damdred wrote: Marv is town, the reason I say this is he hates giving town information if he is scum and going to roll over. Two hours and thirty to go and he comes in and tries to fins scum? Maybe he gets lynched maybe not but I he basically Poe town and I don't think scum marv does that on his death bed+ tone. ##unvote The only defense I have is this. marv scum meta is to not give info to town. So I think it's a mistake a look at his actions looking for a rational explanation. | ||
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