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On November 29 2015 12:33 NocturneMage wrote: /replace This guy | ||
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On November 30 2015 08:28 Damdred wrote: RIP shining Because I don't play Monday Tuesday which is when d1 will be? Rip me | ||
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Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. | ||
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And what looks good about the rest of that post? It's a long post and the only thing I got from it is I'm scum, DYH questioning Rels is towny, but Rels is also towny off of some metaread, and everyone else is null. It's an unneccessarily long and hard to read post for minimal reads when his first paragraph asks for no spam, presumably to make the game easier to read. Counter-intuitive. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:16 Damdred wrote: Why is Palmar the worse looking one exactly though? Because there is no explanation for his read whatsoever. Fidei scumleans me so 3 minutes later, Palmar decides I'm 100% scum with no explanation. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote: Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. I hadn't even read Fidei's post, I just came into the game, read the first page, then posted "Shining is 100% scum", turns out I mostly agree with Fidei, so free townread in the process! His expectations are unreal of me if he is town. He said I went quiet and yet here I am so I'm interested if his lean now goes away or if it becomes a hard scumread because I scumread him. Like there were actual things happening, like Damdred's big post directing blues, Rels finding DYH and Damdred suspicious, but his scumlean comes off on the one person who he probably expected to afk because it's Monday/Tuesday and who didn't say much of anything. And in the same post, he goes ahead and leaves the thread when he enters it. Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote: You gonna play hardball? Okay, we can play hardball. I read the first page, and your posts stood out like a sore thumb. It was very, very obvious you had no intention of actually moving discussion along. You posted for the sake of posting. I didn't expect you to come up with reads, I just expected you to say something that wasn't so clearly just to post. If you were actually genuinely interested in the youtube video thing you talked about you'd have said something more about it. I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia. Meh I was bored and knew the game started. So I made a joke post and asked a useless question about a post because no one else was posting and I'm not one to move along discussion on D1. Never have been, never will be. But scumreading me for that will totally pique my interest. What's fine to you is not fine to me, so w.e. I already explained that it was long for no reason, only had 3 reads in it and lumped everyone else as null, and was an entrance and exit in the same post. It read to me as an attempt to look productive and scum me in the process, then get out of thread as quickly as possible. I'm not forcing and making up opinions here when I'm obviously here explaining them. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:23 Palmar wrote: Well now you have the explanation so I'm 100% town right? No more like 70% and just really bad and cocky. I can understand where your scumread on me comes from, especially since I OMGUSd you but your defense of Fidei to me looks really suspect when you only share one scumlean on D1 and you shouldn't have any idea what his alignment is if you're town. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:24 Damdred wrote: I thought you had played with palmar before? Only time I ever remember playing with him was when he replaced in and didn't do jack shyt after replacing and even though I cased JJB for the win, Trfel still lost the game in lylo. So not really. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote: Hey everyone. A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed - Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough. Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why: When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up. Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously. disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game. So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation. Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence. Moving to Palmar/Shining... HtS gets a townlean for better explaining one of the things I noticed in Fidei's post. I guess I'm just the only one who found the rest of it weird. w.e | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:46 Half the Sky wrote: Agreed with Palmar, that doesn't make Fidei mafia. I just took it as him reacting to what he saw (either alignment) and I would probably draw it as more suspicious if he tried to push you as a lurker, say 24h from now. As for Shining's scum team post, I took that as a joke, so I'm also not sure what Palmar is saying "both as a joke and as serious" and then leading into "there's no way he can believe what he's saying" - because when I read that phrasing it is basically saying "he's serious and mafia because what he's saying isn't believable" but how do you navigate that when he's intending that as a joke? Am I misunderstanding that one? Shining, let's say Palmar just disappears. What are your reads on other people? It was intended to be a joke until I actually read the rest of Fidei's post, and Palmar 100%'ing me right after the post. The joke was both of them being scum together and the third to scum me being a team. However, I was realistically suspicious that one of them was probably trying to take advantage of my admittedly useless entrance. And I've already started doing that. Until Palmar gets me lynched, he is literally a non-entity in this game to me. All the ad hom and constant bickering is going to do is throw me on tilt, and I don't feel like getting warned for cursing him out. Damdred is likely town for his wanting to bring town into a cohesive train of thought with that first post. Rels is on the scumside of null for scumming both Damdred and DYH for wanting the named VT to claim(which I agree with, there's no reason not to), along with 0 townreads. Moosy is as useless as ever, which is sadly NAI at the moment but could become a scumread really quick. I don't like him claiming he didn't even read his role pm until a few posts after he entered but it's Moosy. Disfo's early responses to Trfel were relaxed and his posts seem to be natural so he's a slight townlean. He also seems to be fleshing out his suspects before he scumreads them(saying he isn't a fan of me so far, I had better posts last game but not scumreading me. Asking Damdred to explain his read on Trfel) so it looks like he wants to get good reads, not just jump on easy suspicions. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:53 Palmar wrote: I only call people morons after telling them nicely why they're wrong. I'll show you: Look how I explain that I'm not saying the post makes him town, just that your initial reason to call him mafia is faulty. And I wasn't trying to hide it, I said the same thing here: And I think I called it fine even before that. Yet your response is: Which is simply something that is not happening. So yes, I get pissed off when you blatantly misrepresent my opinions and statements (which makes me want to hang you even more). I don't care that I've pissed you off. Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it. Telling me that I'm wrong for why I feel someone is scum that isn't you is a defense of that someone. You won't convince me otherwise. I also don't care that you don't care. See why I don't want to talk to you? Speaking of misrepresentations, you're sitting here saying I only scumread Fidei for scumming me for saying true stuff. You're ignoring me pointing out the mass null read he gave out and the reads between DYH and Rels, but not Damdred and Trfel who were arguably doing more before that post. But keep picking on me and saying it's just OMGUS. Do what you gotta do, bud. Not sure where that pride or cockiness comes from but if you're town and get me lynched, I hope it takes a huge blow. | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:05 Palmar wrote: Please show me "all the ad hom". I think I've been entirely reasonable with you. I did get mad when you ignored 3 of my posts to misrepresent my position on fidei despite me explaining it nicely to you at first, and I'm sorry for that. But this suggests there have been multiple instances of me attacking you personally? Meh I thought you called me retarded, as well as a moron. You just called my read retarded, w.e. That's why I don't want to continue talking to you and go on tilt. I can't even fucking read your posts properly. But you're also being obstinate when I'm clearly explaining what I'm doing and you choose to just ignore it, or just repeat what you've already said. So you have your read on me already. Why do you feel the need to convince me that you're convinced I'm scum? | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:11 Palmar wrote: You only tacked those onto it later. You said it best yourself, here's your reason for scumreading Fidei: This is the reason you initially gave for scumreading Fidei. I have ever since questioned the legitimacy of this logic, and you seem to even agree with by now: So let's get the timeline clear: 1) Fidei posts you may be scum 2) I post you're 100% scum 3) you jokingly say we're scum together 4) you explain your scumreads on us, using stuff that by fidei that you now agree was true (still joking???) Like my logic tells me that between "jokingly" calling us scum and then actually fucking explaining your scumread, you would have read Fidei's post, that you wanted to call him scum for, yet all you came up with was the very thing I've been questioning. Your version of the events makes no sense at all. 1) Right 2) Right 3) TOGETHER. And at that moment, because you didn't explain shyt, I figured the likely scum out of you 2 was you. Then you explained, which led me back to re-reading Fidei's post to see if I was wrong on him as well and I felt I wasn't and I posted this an hour ago: On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote: His expectations are unreal of me if he is town. He said I went quiet and yet here I am so I'm interested if his lean now goes away or if it becomes a hard scumread because I scumread him. Like there were actual things happening, like Damdred's big post directing blues, Rels finding DYH and Damdred suspicious, but his scumlean comes off on the one person who he probably expected to afk because it's Monday/Tuesday and who didn't say much of anything. And in the same post, he goes ahead and leaves the thread when he enters it. Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. I must be a glutton for punishment. Because instead of ignoring you like I should, I keep going right back at it. I just can't understand if you're town how you don't see what I'm so clearly explaining. Like fucking seriously. Seriously?? | ||
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On December 01 2015 11:40 kushm4sta wrote: Shining looking like a decent d1 lynch I guess. Reasoning is that if Palmer called me 100 percent scum I'd be like lol. Instead he doth protest too much, Expecting someone to play like you is a horrible way to read someone | ||
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On December 01 2015 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: I’ll be honest and say I love these “Moosy is useless but it’s NAI!” “Moosy is a weird af player, can’t read him now!”  My name must spread far and wide.Please do something. There really is no point to make yourself a huge question mark if you're town | ||
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're: fidei both. The way they were represented in a hello/goodbye post, with a bunch of nulls and a one liner on me to scum me felt bad. Then he towned rels and dyh for like two posts each but didn't mention Damdred and it was Damdreds post and their reactions that started that interaction. | ||
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On December 01 2015 12:46 LightningStrike wrote: Shining since you had cooled off what you got out of your fight with Palmar? It's in my filter. He's wrong and stubborn town, but once he actually explained his read on me and his follow ups, I can see it coming from town thinking he found scum | ||
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On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself. So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read? There is a game not too long ago in which I mentioned I go to anger management therapy and that still holds true. Dont worry about me, tho, this is justa forum. I won't/can't hurt anyone else or myself so you could say my passion is just a way of venting. | ||
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On December 01 2015 12:53 LightningStrike wrote: I think that post was towards me not you lol..... Yes it was towards md but your answer so quick and natural earns you a town point | ||
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I do see a few votes on MD. Anyone defending him or pushing a diff lynch at all? | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:11 disformation wrote: nope. Your timing is great. Was just like... "wait, LS is in this game..." I also remember HtS case on him being decent... can you elaborate further? So he's being bussed, is town or his team is one of the arms or non voters. Hm. Can't deny Moosy is prime d1 lynchbait tho, I just checked his filter. Looks like he did nothing after talkinng to me about my Fid read except ask who was pro/anti Rels and took a rest for what is now 21 hrs. Sigh. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:41 Trfel wrote: MoosyDoosy was fricking obvious town last game. Like, really really obvious. No he wasn't. He was almost lynched. And you had perfect info from the start of the game as scum. You also pulled this woe is me, no one is listening to me stunt last game. If there was anyone else competing for the lynch with Moosy right now, Id say you were trying to protect a scum partner. Looking at Moosys filter, it looks bad but its nowhere near enough to be 100% sure he's scum like you are. | ||
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You had fidei on one of your earlier town lists. Then you had him just above LS on your next list after that, saying he was dropping. Then in one of your last few posts regarding him, you said he was still a town lean. So that 2nd post: On December 02 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote: Disinformation Eels Damdred Shining Palmar Leans Trfel Fid (falling) Ls Honestly it's notso bad so far even though I've read 0 filters. Are those leans weak town leans or scum leans? | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:55 Palmar wrote: Wait Shining, do you think Trfel is 100% scum? Nah you misread. I meant Trfel is 100% that MD is scum. I'm seeing a few similarities in his play from last game, though, but not enough to case. It's more gut than anything. His really hard d1 push on Scott feels like the Moosy push here. His "idk no one is listening to me, I give up" feels like when he was trying to push off of Breshke, his scummmate, last game. The only reason I can't fully scumread it is because at the time, there was no one competing with MD for lynch like Breshke was last game. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote: These were also gut reads mind you where I had just glanced at posts 0 filters read at that point. They were slightly town leans. So you still hadn't read when you voted Fidei over LS? Then read and backtracked on Fidei iirc because of some posts and that his activity fit his scum lurkiness but you like some things in his post and then started pushing LS. Do I have this timeline right? Sorry I had a ton of pages to read and I don't wanna misunderstand. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:04 Palmar wrote: Do people like... ever... build good cases anymore? I do in lylo lol | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: Sure shining, before we go down this rabbit hole where you are trying to vet me. Remember we have 56 minutes before lynch roughly and you need to comment on what i'm saying on LS. That is the most important thing right now. Fid was a town read earlier in the day for me almost right out of the gate, his lack of activity caused him to drop for me almost out of my town reads. He still hadn't done anything when I woke up so I "voted" him as I didn't really vote in the vote thread i'm not sure you could call it that however. It was pressure to see what he would do. His posts afterwards as I've caught up have seemed not so bad his read post I liked to some extent. I like your points on LS, to the point where i would sherp them, but I wanted clarification on the Fidei read because he was one of my scumreads and hasn't done much else except town me(pocket because I scummed him early?) And I like the question HtS just threw at him about voting MD over LS. I wanted to see if you saw a good reason to town him that I wasn't seeing, as well as making sure your progression on him made sense, which it does to me. What do you think of HtS question to him tho? | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:09 The Shining wrote: I like your points on LS, to the point where i would sherp them, but I wanted clarification on the Fidei read because he was one of my scumreads and hasn't done much else except town me(pocket because I scummed him early?) And I like the question HtS just threw at him about voting MD over LS. I wanted to see if you saw a good reason to town him that I wasn't seeing, as well as making sure your progression on him made sense, which it does to me. What do you think of HtS question to him tho? I meant hasn't done much else regarding my read on him. Whereas Palmar tried to pick it apart. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:15 Trfel wrote: You think that Damdred is town? Ummmmmmmmmmmm. If I read that correctly, I think he's saying the only time Damdreds ever read him wrong is as scum. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote: That reaction seems very similar to what I would expect from LightningStrike as town. Why do you think otherwise? I remember one game we played not too long ago where every time someone suspected him he accused them of being on crack. Yes he discredits them hard but the caps and cursing feels uncharacteristic. Unless I'm just not remembering correctly. But that somewhat recent game that I rolled scum in, he didn't go this ham. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:25 Half the Sky wrote: This is LS and he generally is a very emotional player. I know others can fake emotion but this IS LS. LS, what do you think of Trfel and what do you think of Damdred? Talk to us for cripe's sake if you are town, you have half an hour. Let me check Warcraft 3 since I am assuming that's the game that Shining is referring to? Drams is the game. And comparing the filters from the two games, there is a lot more reads and content from him in Drams then here over 2 pages. And his questions were much more pointed. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:27 Half the Sky wrote: I'd have to disagree, he lost his head to the point in Himalayas that Fecalfeast and I warned and took post-game action on him. It is not unprecedented. Mmmm I didn't read or play that game. But the votes are tied and still people not voting. Does it make sense to freak like that then afk if ur town? I've never been good at reading LS so I'm genuinely asking hefe | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:28 Fidei86 wrote: But Dani would you not agree that usually he puts more of an effort than this? Thinking about switching. ...I'm still on the fence with you. Don't vote LS and make this harder for me sigh | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:33 Trfel wrote: I thought he said he was in the middle of coming home from class? He said he was leaving soon, then the angry post said idk home. Idk=omw? | ||
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You were an early scumread of mine. You also scumleaned me. Palmar basically said I OMGUSd you and him for bad reasons and I explained why I thought that one early post felt scummy to me. Ive been pressed for time since I got back today because I'm at work but I skimmed your filter and saw you towned me through that Palmar exchange. But I made some posts a while ago asking Damdred to explain his TR on you. I still have my doubts on you. But since you've been here, you haven't tried to engage me on my read until now. And you're considering voting LS, who I'm considering voting. So do I want to vote with someone I have doubts about? That makes this hard for me. | ||
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Someone said that about me in Drams and I was scum. I don't like these angry tone reads. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:53 Palmar wrote: Like I'm the biggest advocate of intelligent sheeping being a very useful skill to have. Did LS claim yet? He claimed VT | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:55 LightningStrike wrote: YOU KNOW WHAT DAMDRED WHEN YOU SEE MY FLIP PLEASE POST BABY SEALS Looks like he thinks Damdred is scum | ||
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On December 03 2015 08:05 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry I just super pissed I not thinking straight atm I apologize to you Damdred about calling you a fucking idiot I sorry I playing like I did Drams which I was super tilted in that game. I really thought I was going to get lynched honestly that why I was yelling so hard. Wait so post lynch now you don't think Damdred is scum anymore? Jdhwjakfjfjensmskcldm | ||
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On December 03 2015 08:18 The Shining wrote: Trfel. You think LS is scum now. Especially after his comments regarding lynching Moosy after his flip, but saying he's just voting Moosy to save himself. But you just said NM replaced into a scumslot. Does this mean you think both lynches were scum before the shennany onto kush? | ||
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On December 03 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote: wait it was trfel who was talking about ls being scum? I sure can read, yup... On December 03 2015 08:10 Trfel wrote: Everything about his play says town except for the thing that I quoted. I actually think that the thing that I quoted is extremely scummy, such that he can't be town. Do you think otherwise, and if so can you please explain it to me so that I can be comfortable with my LightningStrike townread? Also, NocturneMage, I apologize for you having replaced into a mafia slot. At least I have a fair opportunity for revenge. Trfel said Damdred was right, don't switch off LS, pointed out the Moosy inconsistency then after EoD made this post. So AFAIK it looks like he still thinks LS is scummy for that one post but if everything about his play says town, why was he so adamant about not switching off LS? There's conflicting points in this post. And if he thinks NM replaced into a scumslot, he's saying both lynches were scum before the shenanny. | ||
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On December 03 2015 08:53 Trfel wrote: I have to make a ton of posts to get my presence acknowledged enough to be told that I'm an idiot. No one responds to me with just one post. No one listens to me or respects my opinion at all, no one wants to work with me. I feel like I'm off solving the game in my own world, which is no fun at all. And my entire mafia playstyle/theory is based on collaboration... I've played in a bunch of games with you and never had a problem and never BMd you that I can remember. We even rolled scum together once and won that game with DarthPunk. The only reason I'm questioning you is to get a better grasp on your read progression and whether I can see town motivation behind it. It's a part of playing the game. Like objectively, you went from your 100% scumread MD onto LS after having him as a townlean. But I looked in your filter and you were adamant about staying on Moosy until LS made those weird posts about lynching MD cuz he's scum but only voting him to save himself. But you switched after that, not before that, which makes me think you really did believe that LS was scum because of it. And afterwards the language you use(I can't see that post coming from town) but he was a townlean throughout minus that post felt off but the willingness to engage Damdred to try and see what Damdred is seeing about LS being locktown feels like it could come from town reconsidering a read. I just don't understand why you're feeling so disheartened and down. | ||
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On December 03 2015 09:31 Trfel wrote: As for the rest of your questions: My thinking was that if disformation was town in the game, then he knows that that argument doesn't make sense, so he shouldn't be applying it. In general I was trying to look at his thought process, though. When he explained it, I realized that he wasn't using "constructed" as a scum tell, but to refer to posts that were created pre-game. He was actually approaching it from the other mindset, saying that Damdred's post seemed towny but was NAI if it was created pre role pm. This seemed like an unexpected take to me, and a bit towny. I didn't pay much attention in the final hour of the day, so I don't really know about The Shining. His completely ignoring my arguments and scumreading me with unflipped association to the point that I should be a counterwagon felt really really horrible, but I'm not sure if that makes him mafia. I liked the points about his Day 1 activity, however he was kind of forced to do that as mafia if he wanted to survive. Then the only question is if he could have that much motivation to play as mafia, and I think that the answer is possibly. I really want to look at how his reads changed between his two series of posts, and see what the reasoning and thought process for those changes are. Right now, I don't have thoughts. Third question was answered above XD Those weren't suspicions, but trying to figure things out. I never got to Fidei86's filter, I was confident in MoosyDoosy being scum. I was too frustrated before I read his filter. Lol wtf? I didn't ignore your arguments, I went and read MDs filter and told you as much and said I couldn't see where or why you were 100% sold on him being scum. His filter was bad but having played with Moosy before, its unfortunate but I could see the uselessness coming from either alignment. The rest of your stuff was a tone/metaread on him and a couple of people chalked it up to a policy lynch, which I'm not a real fan of. And where did I scumread you for unflipped association? This is a clear misrepresentation of what I said. I never said you should be a counter wagon and when Palmar asked me to case you, I said I couldn't because it was a gutread, weak and based on similarities to your last scum game. That's where the scumread came from, it had nothing to do with any association. And it didn't feel stronger than the points Damdred made on LS or the bad switches from kush and DYH. So when did I push you as a counter wagon? | ||
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On December 03 2015 12:42 Trfel wrote: Sorry, Damdred, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding this post. Are the leans scumleans or town leans? If the former, does falling from a scumlean mean looking townier or scummier? I already asked about this post pre eod. They're town leans to be taken with a grain of salt, apparently, because he made them without reading filters. It's interesting you picked the exact same post I did though And yes considering ff asked you to give a read on me, and you chose to misrepresent what I did and said, and still not call me scum or town, a response/explanation would be nice. | ||
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On December 04 2015 08:20 Trfel wrote: NocturneMage is right, Fidei86 should be added to this list. I really don't know about Half the Sky. It's very hard for me to separate the play from the cold/sickness/whatever. I'll definitely take another look, though. Tempted to lynch one of Half the Sky/NocturneMage and then the other if they flip town, but that seems bad; the scum should be able to be found without having to do that. I'm going to assume for now that NocturneMage is good enough as town that he wouldn't get this wrong, for simplicity's sake, but I'll re-evaluate this assumption when he makes his case. But you think NM/MD slot is scum...NM called your case bad and you had no response to it except to list NM as scum once more, in what would've been your legacy post had you been shot. You left a super wifomy post laying around since you weren't NKd. The fact only Damdred died makes me think there is no Vig but you expected to be Vig shot. Now you're "tempted" to lynch one of HtS and NM. And your had a list of 4 including me when all of those were your town reads/leans. What about the Damdred NK makes your NM read null enough to change your entire tone and scumreads? | ||
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NM: your case is bad. Trfel: list post. NM is scum. Damdred(flipped town) is scumlean. Discuss Damdred in list post, + fear reads on Palmar and Rels. One line response to NM about "explaining to Trfel(his strongest scumread) why his case is bad.". In case there is any doubt. Trfel: pretty sure the game is solved. Damdred is NKd. Trfel: DYH Shining Disfo FF are scum.(NM read goes poof) NM: Fidei and HtS are probably scum. Trfel: NM is right on Fidei, might be right on HtS. ?????????????? | ||
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On December 04 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote: Was waiting for someone to ask that. Was hoping that no one asked that I'm town. I'm the most vocal person in the thread (by number of posts, not thread influence). My second strongest scum read is Damdred, who mafia knows is town, and I've been suspicious of him throughout the game. Mafia ought to know that I'm not going to reverse my read on Damdred. So why does mafia shoot Damdred? (first of all, I know that Damdred is a great player, please don't misunderstand; but being a great player doesn't really help you when there's some bull-headed moron who is going to get you lynched or stop town from progressing at all while trying to do so) I looked through Damdred's filter, and I didn't see any scum reads. I checked for scum reads on DoYouHas and Half the Sky, two players who I thought might be particularly inclined to shoot Damdred if they were scum; he basically didn't mention them at all. Thus, the only really noteworthy read in Damdred's filter is his not wanting to lynch NocturneMage (not exactly sure if it was a townread or a not wanting to lynch read, but it's the same for this purpose). If NocturneMage is mafia, there's no way he shoots Damdred here. And the night kill for WIFOM reasons is bad because mafia would have been in an extremely good position with me scumreading Damdred. To be honest, the night kill suggests to me that mafia messed up. Not Damdred's fault at all, my fault, but I really don't think that mafia should kill Damdred. I would be first think of being suspicious of Palmar and Rels, two players who I might have considered for the night kill above Damdred, but I think they would just let me mislynch Damdred or lose the game for town by trying. Perhaps Palmar is an exception, since I don't think he was here when I pushed my case on Damdred, but still, Damdred was strongly townreading Palmar. That's why my tentative conclusion is that mafia is more likely to be in the less active group that I mentioned. The Shining is included in that group partially because Damdred has an extremely good read on The Shining, and so despite Damdred townreading The Shining for now, I can see The Shining as mafia wanting to get rid of Damdred. But the biggest reason for the night kill is probably that Damdred didn't think that NocturneMage is mafia. Which is extremely strong. That combined with me being wrong on Damdred (partially association, partially doubting my read accuracy) makes me think that it's more likely that NocturneMage is town. Your last scum game, you scummed, cased and shot Geript N1. This game you scummed, cased Damdred N1 and now he's NKd. This is such am obvious similarity that I'm almost inclined to think it's too bad to be scummy but this explanation is a bit long and contradictory, too. The NM not wanting to shoot Damdred logic is flawed. Especially if he had him as a townread, I'll have to go back to that. I personally as scum have shot Damdred before after he townread me to keep that read immortal, and I know others have NKd people that were TRing them before they had time to revisit that read. You also think that Damdred has an extremely good read on me, and towned me, so I'd kill him for it? This is a contradiction because you say its exactly why NM WOULDNT kill him for it. Are you saying I'm scum and scared he'd flip his read on me so I shot him before he could? Then why does that same situation make me scum but makes NM town? | ||
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On December 04 2015 09:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't know why damdred was killed and I'm saying that you don't either This | ||
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On December 04 2015 09:10 NocturneMage wrote: I see what you are saying here but there are people here saying she is town for that, and there are proven cases of her doing this as town when she doesn't have an alternative scumread. She has mislynched people as town/town-oriented third party trying to do stuff like this. The problem is where she actually goes and why. She would have mislynched LS if it was in her best interest to mislynch him, the reason she went to kush is because kush was scumreading her. This is what I was saying before, she has a track record of wanting to kill people who want her dead. The reason I asked you before what her role was in the lynch is because generally her play as mafia is to do one of two things - make a bunch of cases and do nothing with it, or ferret people and do nothing with it, or she WILL push someone but she won't do it until ridiculously close to end of cycle. One thing I did find interesting about her switch from LS to kush was her pinning it on me. Arguably yes, I was the one who started that shenanny onto kush but I wasn't the first one to bring it up. Fidei was. But when she did it, she posted "Done, Shining" as if to absolve herself of a potential ML and pin it on me, when Fidei suggested it first. Why didn't she(or anyone else, for that matter) refer to Fidei instead of me during that shenanny? I'll have to go reread EoD now, too. | ||
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On December 04 2015 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote: Can someone give me a key for all the IRL names people are using? dani = hts alex = ? Dani HtS Alex NM Fidei James I think that's right | ||
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NM I think I like where you're going with this HtS read. But you did promise a full case. Are you still going to do that? Trfels last post on HtS read progression makes me think he's tryharding and idk if I see scumTrfel going this hard, so maybe you're both onto something with her. I'll have to read her filter for myself. I'm liking DYH's last few posts too. I'm also not buying the LS confirmed town because of EoD stuff. I don't want to delve too much into NK analysis because I'm not good at it but there is also reason for LS to kill Damdred and immortalize that read if he's scum. I guess right now my most suspicious lie in HTS, LS, Fidei, Palmar. Rels and disfo is middle ground. NM, FF, Trfel, DYH likely town. I'll be back | ||
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On December 04 2015 09:47 Fidei86 wrote: Just want to point out LS that you and me have basically exactly the same read list (other than you scumming me and me scumming Trfel). And you followed me onto Kush. And you were going to join me on LS when I was thinking about it. It just seems to me that if you're Mafia, I must be very wrong in how I'm reading this game. The same must go the other way right? Actually your thinking about joining the LS wagon is why I was hesitant and asking so many questions beforehand. I was weighing my suspicions on you vs the case and points on him. As for having a lot of the same reads, if I'm being honest, I'm never too confident in them before first scumflip, as my association cases and late game play is where I excel at. D1/D2, I'm used to being wrong and sometimes scum siding on reads without realizing it. So even with our reads being similar, you're in my suspicious pile until I read your filter and can figure out how you arrived to those reads. As for the Trfel read, he's got 8 pages at the start of D2 and 8 pages total his last scum game. Like I've pointed a few issues I had with some of his reads and posts but he hasn't backed down from me and his willingness to explain and then put in work on his reads, like the stuff on HTS, is giving me trouble on where the scum motivation could come from. He's been under a lot of pressure this game and even though there are some similarities from his last scumgame, one thing that recently stands out to me is the amount of sensible content he's putting out, even under pressure. I don't agree with everything, and had issues with his dropping his NM scumread pretty easily, but its more about the way he's done it and explained it. I could see it coming from town trying to evaluate what's in the thread and I thinking he could be wrong, after being wrong on Damdred. And following onto kush was a risky play that I took because I didn't like his switch. But you being the instigator before me is one of the main reasons I'm still suspicious. Like I do take some responsibility for it but it also surprised me how many more people were willing to follow once I switched, instead of when you did. Like if you're scum, its possible your team waits for a town to switch(like me) and then pin the responsibility on me(like HtS did). | ||
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On December 04 2015 10:29 LightningStrike wrote: That mafia could of switched to any of the wagons they want at EoD and still lynch town between me and Kush O_o BTW is this my first time playing with you NM? What's the purpose of this question? He's just as likely to know the answer as you are. How is this alignment indicative? | ||
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On December 04 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I think fidei's passive 'switch to kush' wasn't actually trying to start shenanigans but the way he's playing it off now makes it suspicious. Like he says here (in the nested quote) that he didn't think people would follow him ontoi that shitty lynch. If it was shitty... Why was he there? Then this pandering to me when I call out the post, without actually voicing any concern. Fidei doesn't ask me to explain he knows he looks bad because he's thinking about his image. He even apologizes to me when I literally said nothing of value about his post. The shining, I haven't read his filter tbh but he's got a decent tone in his recent posts that makes me think he's town but I skim a lot lol. HTS was really pushing hard that you(LS) were town and switched to kush pretty easily from what I recall following the EoD before I replaced in. Another filter I'll have to look at. OK so I only have strong feelings on fidei (scummy) right now I will check out HTS and shining I think you had the same issues with Trfels d1, too. Did you definitely lean either way on him? | ||
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On December 04 2015 10:41 LightningStrike wrote: Hold your horses I didn't say HTS is scum :o If I wrong on DYH it's because I thought he was a newbie and Rels case seems okay but not really enough to convince me to vote him right now. So you think HtS is town? | ||
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On December 04 2015 10:49 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways who should we lynch outside of me and HTS and why NM? I'll ask again. So you think HtS is town, I presume? Why? What makes HtS town in your eyes? | ||
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I have thoughts. But I need to read some stuff before I put all of them out there. I think DYH is super towny. Especially those last few posts. Rehashing Damdreds reads and then comparing them to kush showed a concerted effort to figure things out. That and upon rereading Damdred, he didn't misrepresent those reads, nor make up scumreads. Trfel is strong town and I'm okay with that. I'm thinking he's about as wrong on NM bussing as he was on Damdred but that's another thing I need to re-read. I'm dropping my suspicion on Fidei. The more I read him, the more town he feels. And maybe we do just have a mindmeld going, I need to get over the paranoia from that. Palmar is middle ground but a filter check is needed there, too. At least one scum obviously bussed but his recent posting, although not his strongest work this game, felt like town pressed for time. NM feels pretty locked in town at this point. He drove the hts lynch home off of a good metaread but he's also questioning and fleshing out his other reads. LS recent responses feel more like LS. Very innocent, carefree, does rely heavily on Meta but I like his interaction with DYH, too. POE leaves me with the really bad outlier vote in disfo(this is another one whose filter and other games I have to revisit). But he's not lynching scum d2, pushing dyh hard all day and he himself calls himself waffleboy. That stubbornness and refusal to get off of DYH in the hopes he could shift the lynch off of HtS has me thinking he gave himself away. Me to come soon. Also FF. He's not lazy uncaring town FF. From the moment he entered the game, he's been making an effort to try and look productive, then uses Fallout to bail out before he can get asked too much. He keeps asking others to point him in a direction instead of scum hunting for himself. And he promises a lot of content but he's only delivering easy, low effort content. I think that's our last 2 lynches to win the game going forward. Discuss? | ||
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On December 06 2015 09:03 NocturneMage wrote: on mobile as if there were ever any doubt. honestly anything HTS did day 2 is basically WIFOM, so whatever drivel she had the last 30 minutes really doesn't mean dick all. Well except her update outside the game of course. <3 LS, of course she would post Talisker like that. she loves Talisker. she will drink that and/or Glenfiddich when she rolls mafia. I don't know what the baby seal is for though. anyways, my personal motivation in finding the last two mafia though is to make sure they don't keep drinking whisky via mislynches, because she would have asked them to do that. why? because it's HTS. I have too many scumleans/reads so I know I have a bit to sort out when I return. probably going to proceed in terms of what teams make sense with hts and some additional filter checks. Baby seal is this site's way of claiming scum, for some reason that I never learned lol. Go read my list post and tell me what you think. I'll Re-read HtS filter and interactions as well at some point tonight to see what makes most sense. | ||
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On December 06 2015 09:06 NocturneMage wrote: well Shining, define "too easily" there's people that could have planned it from the off and there's people in a normal bus - I learnt this in newbie 13 because Damdred caught me for it, that bus her at the very end, and don't try and fight it. they kind of see how thread sentiment goes and then just say "ah fuck it" but then again it's weekend and activity seemed sort of low this weekend. I have to look into the likeliness of whoever the fuck could have planned it - the timing of my replacement (2300) and the first post against her do look suspect but when I look at DYH filter WITHOUT the associative read, he doesn't really look that bad, so I really don't know, he pulled off a great bus then though if he is mafia. Pretty much little to no discussion. Or going from town to "sheeping NM". Lots of reading to be done. I remember FF explaining more than once his reasoning to sheep NM. Over explanation? Then there's that lone disfo vote...hm. Also Trfel, what makes NM more likely scum than town now that HtS flipped? Her vote was spooky spooky wifom but scum has voted me before in games that I was town but under suspicion. | ||
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On December 04 2015 09:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Let's just wagon HTS since her going completely silent the moment her hubby shows up in the game makes me pause. I get that she's sick (get well soon) but trfel's weirdness has made me second guess how much I agree with his scumread on NM. Easy. Low effort. Possible bus. Posts like that, FF. Especially now that you're back on thinking NM bussed, after second guessing Trfels scumread on NM. On December 04 2015 09:53 Fecalfeast wrote: Actually this trfel shit is really bugging me but how on earth does someone produce a million pages of filter, multiple cases with references and then throw it all away based on night kill wifom as scum? Am I not giving trfel enough credit? More discredit on Trfel. Low effort post, not really scumming him but discrediting On December 04 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I think fidei's passive 'switch to kush' wasn't actually trying to start shenanigans but the way he's playing it off now makes it suspicious. Like he says here (in the nested quote) that he didn't think people would follow him ontoi that shitty lynch. If it was shitty... Why was he there? Then this pandering to me when I call out the post, without actually voicing any concern. Fidei doesn't ask me to explain he knows he looks bad because he's thinking about his image. He even apologizes to me when I literally said nothing of value about his post. The shining, I haven't read his filter tbh but he's got a decent tone in his recent posts that makes me think he's town but I skim a lot lol. HTS was really pushing hard that you(LS) were town and switched to kush pretty easily from what I recall following the EoD before I replaced in. Another filter I'll have to look at. OK so I only have strong feelings on fidei (scummy) right now I will check out HTS and shining So now Fidei is scummy. No follow-up on the Trfel "weirdness" yet. Then he says he will check out me and HtS but he never did. On December 04 2015 10:36 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not sure if I ever put a read in thread but I had him as strong town until his abandonment of his NM/moose read. I'm currently weighing the town feels I got from him against the scummy feels I'm getting from him. It's kinda like he realizes that NM is going to be a much harder sell than MD because NM is playing. So was strong town, now ???????????????????? Now he's saying Trfel was a strong town until the weirdness stuff from him, now he's ?????? On December 05 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote: Ok am at work what's up boys I see hts still hasn't popped up? Guess she gave up? Doesn't read mine or HtS filter. Decided HtS is scum giving up, no mention on me. FML work is getting busy, I'll be back in a few. Chew on this for a bit | ||
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On December 06 2015 09:52 Fecalfeast wrote: so that's a town case or what? Have you played with me before? No the difference between these posts and your town games is that your low effort and small posts still follow a train of thought and have conclusions. Here, you're just leaving things in the air after promising content and moving onto the next current topic. And yes. I have. A bunch of times. You know that. I caught you as scum in Ippo, I made a game winning case in Student XVI that you sheeped. I don't always read you correctly but I dont always read you incorrectly, either. But the way I'm reading you now resonates more with you trying to emulate your town meta instead of actually just playing as town. | ||
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But with the part about disform, you're saying him being the outlier is too scummy to be scum then? I don't buy that argument anymore. That was the argument for both Breshke and Trfel last game and both turned out to be scum. And if disfo is scum, its his first scum game. I wouldn't expect him to play godly scum strats. And for what NM said about disfo having HtS as null and voting his scumread in DYH over HtS, disfo in the games I've played with him has been very waffly and usually ends up following his TRs. Instead, he voted on DYH on his own and pushed him. Unflipped association is bad but FF did also try to get LS to hash out his DYH scumread, possibly trying to get him to move. And if disfo knew he had HtS as null at most and scummed DYH, he would know swapping to HtS to bus would make him look bad. And disfo said he is consciously trying to change that waffling because it gets him scumread but he put out way more content last game and even though he waffled, he was towned quite a lot. I don't think his meta would change that quickly from one game to the next. I still have filters to read and its night phase but that's where I'm at right now. I'm not sure how much more time I'll have to play before eon so I'm just putting my thoughts and reads out while I can | ||
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On December 06 2015 10:13 Trfel wrote: Half the Sky is trying to WIFOM LightningStrike and she's really good at it. But.....Bold emphasis mine. This is actually pretty good but I'm not sure it makes NM scum here. You're basically saying he's scumming LS but then talking to him about HtS like he's town, right? | ||
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There was no Vig shot n1 so unless Vig shoots tonight I'm pretty confident in saying we don't have a Vig and the setup is one of Cop/Boxer and vet/boxer. Obviously neither should claim in the night phase but it might be a good idea if we have a vet to claim next day phase and narrow down the lynch pool, IF YOURE UNDER SUSPICION. The RB flipped so the vet can't be NKd next night phase and it will help with poe after the NK. Obviously if you're shot tonight, you should also instantly claim. If it is the 1 shot Cop setup, then don't say a damn thing unless you get a red check. If you get a green check, you should also claim it ONLY if they or you are in danger of being lynched, as the only setup we could have with GF is Cop/Vig(not possible because boxer flipped) and vet/boxer, in which case there is no Cop. So the cop check has a 100% accuracy. | ||
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On December 06 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote: Wait you saying I mafia with HTS too? Man this is going to be a 72 hour of hell for me..... Tell me what you think of disfo and FF? | ||
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On December 06 2015 10:41 LightningStrike wrote: Sigh I already gave it and it haven't changed for both of them. Both town. I just want FF to do more work now that we got some stuff to work with plus I don't want him to be totally lazy. I know, I was just wondering if anything changed after the HtS flip and the following disfo and FF reaction posts, or lack thereof and if you looked into their interactions/reads with HtS. | ||
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On December 06 2015 10:32 Trfel wrote: This is one reason, I have probably at least 50 reasons of about this strength. Unfortunately, this isn't terribly strong, because talking to a scumread like they're town is something that town does too. However, this is the absolute biggest example of this that I have ever seen, because of the hard transition and he's talking about the same two people. Don't worry, I'll show why NocturneMage is scum at some point. And the tone, asking LightningStrike to trust him... even if talking to a scumread like they're town isn't the best tell, this can't be ignored. Anyway, I looked through Half the Sky's filter. The way that Half the Sky switched to vote for LightningStrike makes it look like LightningStrike is town. Half the Sky put a lot of effort into trying to figure out LightningStrike's alignment, and eventually came to a null or a town lean or something like that (I forget, for the purposes of this it doesn't matter much). After all that, once the lynch started going to LightningStrike, she switched her vote really easily with the only reason presented being this:Okay, so I went back and found her last LightningStrike read before this.Half the Sky's only reason presented to scumread LightningStrike after this was extremely flawed. Even despite this, the change on the LightningStrike read is really large for something that small (if she thought it was large enough to change this read, she would have been more suspicious of it when asking the question). Furthermore, Half the Sky's play around End of Day doesn't have much direction. I don't feel like she really cared if LightningStrike or kushm4sta were lynched (or she would have had more direction to her play, or actually pushed kushm4sta once finally deciding that she didn't want to lynch LightningStrike, 8 minutes before the deadline). This association suggests really, really strongly that Half the Sky is town, contrary to what NocturneMage has stated about the association. 50 reasons is a lot lol. I do have NM in my town pile, though, so I'm willing to listen to these 50 reasons when you get around to them post-HtS flip. I'm just having a hard time accepting that NM comes into this game immediately bussing his RB, especially if we have a vet. Of course if we don't, that makes it a bit more believable. But I've also spoken to scumreads as if they're town(imperfect knowledge and realizing my read might be wrong) which is why I asked for more. I'm also assuming at the end of this, you meant to say it implies LS is town, not HtS, right? | ||
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On December 06 2015 10:39 Trfel wrote: @LightningStrike, I think you're town. Okay, I'm breaking my own hard rule I don't think that the veteran should claim unless they're "reasonably" suspected. "Reasonably" defined at the end of this post. I actually think that if it's a 1-shot cop with a green check, they should claim it at the start of the next day (assuming both are alive). That's huge, and assuming that the cop was good with their check, the check should be on a "reasonably" suspected person. "Reasonably" meaning as determined by the power role themself. Basically, if you are the power role, you should make our own decision because you're the only one who knows the situation exactly. You know how scumread you are, you can determine if the value of your claim being hidden is worth however much suspicion/time people spend trying to figure out your alignment. If you're the cop with a check, you know exactly how useful the check is. Anyway, I don't care to argue this, but let the power roles play their own role ^^ It's when two people are thinking really similarly to each other, presumably either over several similar thoughts or both thinking the same thing at the same time. Hopefully that's close enough. I don't understand this explanation, because you're giving advice to LightningStrike in that post? Are you scumreading LightningStrike, or not? Also, NocturneMage, any comments on the association with Half the Sky that I mentioned? I agree with that. That's why I said neither vet nor Cop, whichever we have, should claim unless their under realistic danger of being lynched. While I do normally feel that it's better to let the power roles play how they choose to, it doesn't escape me that one of our blues, boxer, basically did nothing and got himself MLd D1. I don't want there to be a risk of that after flipping scum D2. Town has a very real chance of winning here if we work together and the blue thats left plays smartly. The part I don't agree with is the 1-shot Cop claiming a green check next day phase. If one of them is at risk of getting lynched then yes but if not, there is a possibility that both make it to lylo and that could help solve the game then and there with a well timed claim. And NM has given 4 scum leans and has admitted he has to be wrong on at least 2 so I think it makes sense that even if he thinks LS is scum, he has his doubts and isn't trying to tunnel LS to hell by still giving him advice if he is town. | ||
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On December 06 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote: You didn't really answer my question, but fair enough, I'll stop pressing. Was hoping you'd make a huge slip and confirm yourself as mafia, but it seems you're too good for that Was worth a try, though. @The Shining, I was primarily trying to get information from NocturneMage, not scumread him for that (though it does make me a bit more confident in my suspicion).And yes, my reasons for scumreading NocturneMage are mostly small reasons. And small reasons aren't that good, even if there are a lot of them. I have a few big reasons that I think are good, I have to go through and see how good those reasons are and how many there are. Keeping them secret for now because if I say them, it might affect NocturneMage's play. Well assuming we both survive the night, I'm open to reading a full case next day phase. It's probably better that you don't case someone in the night again though...lol...your track record with that isn't stellar =P | ||
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Actually you said a lot of people are suspicious of you. I have a few that come to mind when you say that but who were you referring to? | ||
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On December 06 2015 11:12 Trfel wrote: Wait, so you're saying that your strongest townreads are doing something that you don't think that scum would do. Why does this make you sad? Because one of my strongest townreads thinks my other strong townread is scum and it doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling about my town circle, like I said in my last post. Gut tells me it's a town v town thing ATM which is why I want to see the case. It also doesn't escape me that most of NMs scumreads, I don't share, so I have to review that, as well. | ||
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On December 06 2015 11:17 Trfel wrote: I'm always terrible at trying to understand the "town vs town" or "mafia vs town" or "mafia vs mafia" conclusions that people make with regards to arguments... Can you please walk me through why you think it's town vs town (other than individual reads)? Why would mafia want to "run interference" (assuming you're meaning break up the argument) between two townies scumreading each other? I'm referring to nearly everyone. DoYouHas, Rels, Fidei86, LightningStrike, disformation, NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, and Palmar, I think. Could be wrong on one or two, but either way that is a lot of people. The lack of interference makes it feels town v town. When town is going against another town, like say Palmar and I D1, if both participants are town, scum has no motivation to really weigh in or break it up. Instead they can sit around and see who comes off looking worse from the interaction and choose to try and get them lynched. In this case, you've been suspecting NM for the longest. You cased him and the MD slot before, you still hold suspicion, he's going back at you and responding to you in a way that feels towny to me and trying to explain his thought processes. Scum won't get involved until or unless another town, like myself for instance, weighs in on it and picks a side. Then scum tries to pick that side as well and bury the other. It's not great analysis but I've used it to benefit my reads before, so I know it can be handy when applied hand in hand with logical reads. | ||
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No, all 4 setups have RB. I already posted some stuff on setup but I guess it is possible Vig is just being patient? Idk. | ||
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Phone posting. I still want to lynch ff or disfo, honestly. FF taking the cheap sheep route is bad. And disfos posts just aren't feeling like the town disfo I played with before. Weak meta reads because I don't have time to filter but I really do feel I'm right on at least one of these, probably disfo. I liked DYHs points on hts association, too, I've made similar cases over weird interactions and reads between scummates before. I wish he hadn't backed down on it. NM Rels Trfel and DYH are town pile. Fidei doesn't feel as bad to me anymore. Voting disfo or ff. | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:20 NocturneMage wrote: The same thing applies to LS but he's just posting just to post and the case on Fidei was beyond awful. I need to re-read his filter last game, can I do that in 40 minutes plus all this other shit.... What makes the LS case any worse than disfos on dyh that was led off with a post made by rels? | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote: Disformation I feel at this time is more bad than mafia but I could be biased here because I'm just as inexperienced at this game as he is. Really not comfortable lynching him today. Hes not this steadfast as town from my experience. The outlier vote on dyh when Hts got lynched is a tell to me. And in 2 games I've played with him, he's been a lot more waffly and I don't remember seeing a case like the one on dyh. I'm not under the belief that a town meta can change that quickly | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:26 DoYouHas wrote: Shining, why are you reading trfel as town? As scum I've seen him be painfully stubborn and defend his scummates pretty strongly, like Breshke last game. And they didn't have much interaction outside of Trfel defending Breshke. A lot of his cases feel wrong and misguided but his interactions with hts as well as people that I think are town feel pretty authentic. Wrong doesn't mean scum and I'm having trouble accepting this level of effort from scum Trfel. Also he likes to post things to scum read ppl that don't make them scum and hammer them hard as Hell. Here he keeps reevaluating and not pushing to the point of not making sense | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote: Change of assumptions. I'm going to assume that even if I don't know why, the most active/vocal posters are town and mostly wrong. And the mafia are casually standing by the side, watching and sometimes supporting, but letting others lead. I think that this points at Fecalfeast. Thoughts? I actually like this train of thought, too, and it's one of the reasons that I want to lynch ff. Like I see what are in my opinion a lot of town on town interactions and the ones not weighing in on it are not doing so because they want town to bury themselves | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:37 Fecalfeast wrote: Shenanigans onto fecalfeast then? I couldn't care less about this game right now. If you and LS are both town doing this shyt, town deserves to lose. Jfc. And I think you just don't care about this game because you just rolled scum in active game as well and tried to play to your lazy town meta. But even when you're lazy town, you try to find scum. Youre not doing anything here | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:38 NocturneMage wrote: Shining, re 1842, that's completely wrong. He's been on Moosy/myself since day 1, found a reason to townread the slot then comes up with beyond insane reasons to scumread and then that last post was for complete reasons that don't really make me mafia. It's the same shit again, he takes a bunch of non-alignment indicative bullshit and find some reason to scumread people. Like he's pushing the easy lynches.....AGAIN. But last game he hammered that even when no one else was. Here he's at least remotely trying to evaluate others. If he's going for the easy lynches, why is he not on LS then | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:46 NocturneMage wrote: Because he gave whatever reason to townread LS, he goes back on that now, he looks really bad. My problem with Trfel is not his position on LS, it's his making a position that is not believable from his point of view. Rels even commented on that last night (EU time). That's the same logic for why Disfo couldn't vote hts and ended up being the only one not lynching scum. But you think he's town | ||
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Why would you want to take ff to lylo then? | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:57 disformation wrote: Oh crap. Do you guys remembering FF enter the thread? At first he was like doing a lot of stuff and I was quite suspect because in last game he was ultra lazy. THen suddenly he goes all "lolz fallout 4"? Voting He just realizes this now. Tell me again why Disfo is town | ||
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I think disfo is last scum. He switched onto ff too easy. I need to filter check him just in case but I think I have this game figured out. | ||
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Not necessarily. Disfo is on my and dyhs radar. And no one wanted to lynch disfo. NM and you both posted a possible Yolo vote on ff so he could've felt the pressure and jumped for town cred | ||
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Ya he posted and voted a minute after your posts. I think the votes confirm trfel and me as town but disfo not so much. I'll do some dives when I get home tonight but I'm pretty sure on disfo. And if I die tonight, I hope I don't get ignored. I'll Re-read dyh too because he did try to get me onto disfo and has a wasted vote but that's partially my fault for showing support for that lynch. Self serving sidenote, I had ff pegged before this day phase even tho Trfel got on the lynch which made me see it was possible. Go us. | ||
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On December 09 2015 08:10 NocturneMage wrote: Yeah votes indicate that disformation hammered. IDK. What is the scum motive to hammer when you are already down the roleblocker? Infinite town cred when that scum is already under suspicion. Which points to disfo and trfel but he led this so Idk | ||
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On December 09 2015 08:12 NocturneMage wrote: Hmmmm alright. Well I'll tell you what. We have all of night phase then. I'll look into disformation since you clearly earned that once with this lynch. I had no reason to scumread you before so obviously... Hear hear. There is one scum left. It's 6:1. Nk tonight. 5:1. ML 4:1 Nk 3:1 IF IT'S 3:1 TOWN SHOULD SLEEP. NO BLUE FLIP = BLUE CLAIMS. then 2:1 lylo We still have a mislynch. Everyone should post their 2 lynches that solve the game. Im thinking disfo/dyh. DISFO FIRST. Everyone else go | ||
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On December 09 2015 08:20 Fidei86 wrote: @NM It has to be one of you and Rels. In what universe does mafia not solidly vote together on a lynch, given that town was so hopelessly fractured (in part my bad). Because if ff flips, that's pretty much claiming scum to the person who is town. | ||
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On December 09 2015 08:25 NocturneMage wrote: they vote together like that they'd give themselves away too easily. this wasn't mylo, we have 3 mislynches left. you would be correct in mylo/lylo. +1 | ||
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On December 09 2015 08:25 disformation wrote: TLDR of The Shinings scum read on me: Less waffly? Scum read. Actually pushes people? Scum read. Semi decent case? Scum read. Hammers Scum? Scum read. Super fun. Is it horrible of me to say this is somewhat accurate? You haven't rolled scum in past games and didn't do any of these in those games. It seriously hinders my ability to tr you. | ||
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On December 09 2015 08:40 disformation wrote: Noted. Instead of getting better at the game I shall remain stagnant. Doesn't seem to matter much whether I get scum read for being waffly or not being waffly. -.- Well on the off chance that you are town, I don't want to tilt you. But I will say guilting me like this for my read is a mafia trait, especially when I've lynched 2/3 scum. But we can get back to this next day phase if I live through the night. Objectively, though, since it's been brought up that disfo hammering ff doesn't make sense thru votes. But look at votes every phase. Disfo imo looked really bad for being the outlier on hts. He needed the cred for this lynch just to offset that. But I'll stop tunneling. See y'all later | ||
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On December 09 2015 12:44 LightningStrike wrote: Ya I got a Samsung phone that I could post on TL when I not using my laptop or I not at home :D Can you do what I asked earlier of everyone? Who do you think are the next 2 lynches in order to solve/win the game? | ||
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On December 09 2015 13:40 Trfel wrote: I'm confirmed town, I can do what I want  I thought we had three lynches remaining? + Show Spoiler + Current: Start of Night 3, 7 v 1 Start of D4: 6 v 1 N4: 5 v 1 (one lynch) D5: 4 v 1 N5: 3 v 1 (two lynches) D6: 2 v 1 (lylo, 3 total lynches) To be honest, I found something that made me not want to lynch everyone except for Fecalfeast... So, I have no answer. I can't count...LOL | ||
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On December 09 2015 13:33 Trfel wrote: Hey, NocturneMage... First of all, I'm sorry. I'd rather not get into exactly why I played like I did, but I really am sorry. My mafia play has way too many problems, and the way my play was towards you and Damdred is definitely one of the larger ones. I saw something that made me think you were town, I think maybe it was Fecalfeast being willing to lynch you based on my case, while also saying why the case was wrong on several points. It seems like this could be the way that scum treats scum, to set up for a bus while sort of fighting against it, but I feel like it's much more likely that this is scum towards town, saying "here's an easy mislynch" but also setting up an "I told you so" afterwards. In addition to the overall picture showing a ridiculous determination to solve the game, which I have a bad habit of ignoring. Nine times out of ten, the players who are trying really hard and putting in tons of effort really are town, no matter what stupid ideas you come up with that say otherwise. Anyway, I'd be lying if I said I was completely sure you were town, I'm not really sure of much of anything at this point. But I am sorry, and hopefully we can work together a little more effectively in the future if need be. Then people wonder why I TR'd you XP | ||
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You don't like my cases, though. You let JJB get away once upon a time the first time I made a case like this. DON'T DO IT TO ME AGAIN LOL but nah, I'm trying my best to make it readable. Also, I think like 1-2 Student games ago, I made a similar case like this to catch the final scum, Vonthin, in triple lylo. So when I make cases like these, they're god-tier >_> <_< I'll probably be done in an hour or so, maybe less | ||
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On December 09 2015 14:10 Trfel wrote: Yeah, I've learned SO much since that Student game. Like, seriously. That game was basically the wake-up call for me, before that I actually thought I was really good at mafia, believe it or not XD I'll see if I'm still awake when you post. No guarantees, though. You and I both, my friend. I'm about 80% done. No worries, you can get to it tomorrow or at some point throughout the day phase. It's guaranteed at least one of us will be alive next day phase lol unless we have a Vig that shoots N3 -____- | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 07:28 disformation wrote: You ninja you. Can we add MoosyDoosy to this list? Also while we are mentioning Onegu: I shadowed him once, when he was town and I vaguely remember some talk in that game about him claiming/not claiming VT. He simply does this as both alignments right? The above spoiler is the first mention of Onegu in his filter, page 3. No read on him, just a question about him doing the VT claim as both alignments. Admittedly there was nothing much to read him on but there it is. Here is another mention page 4 of his filter. Something interesting I noticed, Onegu's name came up in the post even though he wasn't spoken about. But another thing I wanted to point out. + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 04:52 disformation wrote: @HtS: Also: Why did you want to re-read me here? That post was after you asked me some questions, but before I answered them. If HtS is his partner here, here's very aware of her re-reading him. I'm not sure what to make of it but her having to flesh out her Disfo could be a distancing on having to read him one way or the other. I'll have to check her filter to see if she ever got around to it. But look at HtS lynch list. This was early enough that I don't think bussing or soft pushing was plausible. Onegu is "straight policy", not a good lynch becuz that was the FF slot, aka her scum partner. But willing to lynch kush/DYH...kush flipped town. I'm thinking DYH would, too. And the way he's asking her why she wants to re-read him here is weird. It's not like he's trying to figure out her alignment, he's just asking her what she's doing. Remember that when she was lynched, he still had her at null and didn't vote her. + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 04:52 disformation wrote: @HtS: Also: Why did you want to re-read me here? That post was after you asked me some questions, but before I answered them. Next is also on page 4. Another instance where Onegu's name on search came up, but he wasn't directly discussing him. On December 03 2015 07:52 disformation wrote: Yeah, his filter is also super bad. I was talking about this earlier. His last post before he vanished gave a bit of a pause, cause it makes less sense for scum... fuck is this game hard. This post is interesting because someone, can't remember who, said the whole idea of "fuck this game is hard" is a mafia tactic to discourage and throw town on tilt. Rels mentions Onegu's absence being NAI but disformation neither agrees nor disagrees here. Also, the quote tree is from Rels to Shining, asking me to read DYH's filter. Disformation chose to answer this for himself, for some reason. On page 5 of his filter, his next mention of the FF/Onegu slot is after FF replaced. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote: hi, everyone. Doing some chores so semi-around. Some quick thoughts: NocturneMage's Entry: I agree that it feels a bit off that the first post sounds like he is pretty sure HtS is scum and in the last one he talks to her from both perspectives. But I played with both town!NM and scum!NM and his play is like day and night depending on alignment. You can check out NSM13 and NSM 17 to verify. So I feel he will be pretty easy to read, when he plays D2. FecalFeast At first I was a bit worried because he was super lazy in NSM17 as town (until EoD2), but then he mentioned not being here because Fallout 4, so that code checks out. DYH I 100% agree with Rels case. HtS From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel. So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. These few reads. He gives NM a D2 pass. But it's his FecalFeast and HtS reads that strike me as weird. He softs on HtS, certain lack of follow ups, hints that she plays a different style as town and that that fire is missing. But he leaves her an opening to follow up on re-reads and throw out reads Also, at first he was a bit worried because FF is super lazy as town but since his Fallout excuse checks out, he's less worried. So how is this worrying? If he's super lazy as town, and he's being lazy as town here(which he wasn't town), how would this make you worry? I just don't understand the statement/thought/read. Note that they never once interacted up to this point, at least in Disformation's filter. Here is the first interaction I found, also on page 5: + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 08:50 disformation wrote: Yeah. Not entirely trusting NM at the moment. But I also am kinda null of HtS (as explained at night). At the very least I think the case can help us figure out NM, so I want to see what he got. Also HtS has not posted a single thing the nightphase, right? Disfo asks NM to explain his HtS read and vote before NM posted his case. FF makes that post and Disfo follows FF's train of logic to not entirely trust NM. So both are skeptical and suspicious of NM voting confirmed scum HtS. "Kinda null on HtS" is a weird thing to reiterate, too. And instead of going to check her filter to land on either side of null, or to even check if she's posted a single thing during nightphase, he asks the thread instead. This is a thread temperature check. There is another post on page 5 of his filter where he does some voting analysis RE: the kush lynch. This post is interesting, as well. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 10:09 disformation wrote: Vote Count D1 Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu So. I would assume that at least 1 mafia is on the Kushm4sta train. Let us look at the read progression on kush.. Fidei86
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So. Nearly all ppl had multiple mentions of kush as useless and/or expressed some degree of willingness to lynch him before the EoD trouble. LightningStrike didn't, but him voting kush was for survival and pretty NAI. For Palmar it is in line with his desire to lynch inactive baddies. Rels and The Shining have the least amount of previous mentions of kush before, but I don't see anything suggesting a scum mindset for the switch either... The kush thing also happend in a few minutes, so I am not sure if the order/timing of votes does have much impact either... Hope I can add some red colour to my next attempt at VCA as this one wasn't significant. TLDR: Let's look at everyone voting kush and their progression on kush. In order, with quotes. Now look at his summaries. Nearly everyone had problems with the kush uselessness, or had willingness to lynch him. Conclusions? LS voting for kush was for survival and NAI. Palmar? It fits with him wanting to lynch inactive baddies. Rels and Shining? Least amounts of previous mentions of kush, but nothing suggesting a scum mindset for the switch. Who did he leave out on his conclusion? Half The Sky, who happened to be a null read before this. There is literally no attempt to figure out the alignment on someone he has as null while doing vote count analysis. Next is a short little interaction between FF and disfo. I went into FF's filter to get the most I could out of it and it reminded me that scumteams have trouble interacting with eachother in-thread. This is also on page 5 of Disfo's filter. + Show Spoiler + Disfo finds it necessary to respond to FF about this being a high effort game, as if he's hyper-aware of FF. But it's not a direct interaction that leads to anything. DYH is suspicious and didn't hesitate to vote with NM. But after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad. If I ignore HtS sickness, she doesn't look good. It's like he doesn't know whether to vote his scummate HtS or push someone else. So he asks FF if he has a read on DYH. "not yet no" reads like classic scum not wanting/knowing how to interact with other scum. Short, curt, we interacted, move on. Around this time, his nullread/potential scummate HtS is starting to get scummed and pushed hard by DYH and NM. DYH is the lower content, less townread of the 2 so he starts tunneling him. Hard. Even making preflip association between him and HtS. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 10:44 disformation wrote: So for the record: I think DYH is scum. If you are right and HtS is scum, too, then yes he is bussing her. But that is preflip association stuff. He still hasn't moved off of HtS being null and keeps pushing DYH. He tries to get Rels onboard by quoting his earlier case on DYH. Most of his filter page 6 is about DYH. Then there's this: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2015 01:19 disformation wrote: I don't think this comes from scum!NM And as explained here: I think HtS is null at best. Since NM is starting to gain a bunch of townie brownies and I believe that his read on HtS is godtier, HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. ...shit. Am I tunneled on DYH? Rels wants him to pick the more likely scum between HtS and NM. Instead of picking one, he says this play can't come from scumNM, then continues to cling onto that nullread of HtS. Next sentence? HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. What?? Then questioning if he's tunneled on DYH. Yes, he is. NM even picks up on this contradiction and Disfo explains it away as the null being his earlier position, and him now warming up to NM's case and an HtS lynch. Page 7 of his filter has a few posts giving more town cred to NM and reasons why. But he never votes HtS. Now we get what is a pretty telling list post to me. + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2015 07:35 disformation wrote: Okay. Heads up: As per my pre game excuse I won't have time to play tomorrow. I am at my parents' in the afternoon and go to a friends' straight from there. Will miss the deadline by an hour or something. I might get a few phone posts in here and there, but don't count on it. Will be here for another like 4 hours, so if you have questions: shoot now before you regret it. So I am currently at: town Palmar Rels The Shining town leans NoctuneMage FF LightningStrike scum Half the Sky DoYouHas wtf bananaboat Trfel Super sleeping on and need to read the filter Fidei86 So some people said that it made sense for him to vote DYH over HtS D2 because he had HtS as null. THIS POST DISPROVES THAT. HE SCUMMED HTS. It's also interesting to note that up to this point, there's been almost NO interaction with FF, but he has him at a townlean. Why is this? Then a little while after: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2015 08:17 disformation wrote: Hmmm... I think her last post was at start of N1 when kush flipped? So possible. Currently looking at Fidei86's filter. Any questions for me while I am around? Have you looked at DYH, yet? Just like the last time, FF makes a vague post directed at no one in particular, and Disfo feels compelled to answer it. But he still tries to get FF to read DYH. If he really thinks HtS is also scum, why is he so adamant about now-confirmed scum FF reading DYH? He also seems to have just slapped a townread on FF for no apparent reason and is trying to get him to push DYH with him. Another gem on page 7: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2015 11:26 disformation wrote: In NM's only scum game so far, where he was the godfather and got lynched on D3, he had a 3 page filter. And if HtS flips scum (probably will), I will look at the votes, their timings and the reasons for the vote. Yes, DYH did bring up HtS first. But this was after he had previously found nothing in her filter and MD got replaced by NM. NM also mentioned that HtS is good at coaching. Since DYH case on HtS is of a much higher quality than his previous posts, I could see him being coached on that. So yeah, I think this has a good chance of being a bus. He thinks HtS will probably flip scum, as per this post. And continues to make unflipped association about a bus. As if he knows HtS is going to flip scum. Then there's a post where he hopes we'll get more info from the votes on D2, when everyone but him is voting HtS. I just can't understand why he wouldn't consolidate onto HtS when she was one of his 2 scumreads. Instead, he keeps up his tunnel DYH(He's doing it even now). Since HtS flipped, the next few posts will be his interactions and talk on FF. It's interesting to note his first post on page 8 of his filter, he can now put his bus theory to work because HtS flipped scum. This is a post on page 8 RE: Fecalfeast: + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2015 07:38 disformation wrote: "Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA." And I was looking forward to some good scum-huntin' music. And yeah I think we still have 3 possible setups? Also no clue bout the patient vigi... if you feel like someone is watching you and taking aim, a few notes would be nice. Another vague FF post aimed at no one. Another response from Disfo. It just feels like he's so hyper aware of every time FF enters the thread, but he's never found a good reason to TR him. The only thing he mentions here is some setup talk. With FF being confirmed scum, this feels like it's just there to WIFOM the thread. And also kind of a plea for FF to put in some effort if he's his scummate. Up to this point in Disfo's filter, he's discussed Trfel, NM, LS, DYH, Fidei multiple times. Palmar, Rels and myself were townreads. The people he's discussed least just so happen to be our 2 confirmed scum, HtS and FF. Next FF interaction, I was going to spoiler but it's not even worth it. FF apologizes for replacing into this game and capcom cup and Disfo says something about needing a 3rd monitor. These interactions are so weird and I don't understand the town motivation behind it. "I'm going to talk to you just to talk to you" is all I can get from it, and that's a mafia trait, not a town trait. Annnndddd I've got a headache from staring at this screen too damn long. I'll finish this a little later or tomorrow, ideally before night phase ends. You can all chew on this and tell me how right/wrong I am in my opinions, but the deeper I get into this, the more I convince myself. Bbs. Reminder to myself: Continue from page 8. | ||
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On December 09 2015 14:41 Trfel wrote: Hm, I sort of see what you're saying, but I'm not really sure that I agree. I think I'm going to lynch NocturneMage instead once you get shot Thus is life. If I get shot, I'm scumming you in obs >_> | ||
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Iirc Trfel was still entertaining the thought of NM scum...But he also hinted at being willing to vote disfo, as per that spoiler on one of his posts saying I probably saved him some reading. It could be a way to weaken the disfo wagon while leaving me alive to drown in wifom. I'm phone posting so I'll do some rereads and make a decision when I get home. I'm iffy on disfos reaction to my case, too, it doesn't make me see him any better. Hmmm. | ||
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I'm trying to get out of my tunnel. FF was lynched off of a 3v3 vote. He just got to 3 first. Trfel conftown, I'm town, I have to accept that Disfo is the town hammer. Looking at the votes, I'm pretty sure DYH and LS are conftown, too. With the lynch 3v3, either one could have voted Trfel and got him lynched over Fecal. And DYH voted Disfo very close to deadline, which means he was here and couldve seen that. I don't think I want to lynch DYH today. Or disfo. I'm more on the train of thought now that I'm just wrong this phase. 3v3 is very close. One of Rels/NM is scum. And I had super early suspicions of Rels that I let go. For someone who has a 15 page filter, I've forgotten he's in this game a bunch of times. I've also played scum with him once before. The activity as scum isn't beyond his scum game. And the post that Rels didn't like from DYH is actually one I really liked. Not conceding and the points on NKs and someone not being threatened by current thread sentiment. Apparently I'm the hammer vote behind these lynches. I've still got 2+ hours so I'll read and figure out which is scum. | ||
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On December 12 2015 05:18 Rels wrote: Alright I'll be with my GF until later; NM's vote on me seems opportunistic and overexplained. Still think DYH is the last scum though, so please read his filter / my posts on him and let's lynch him. Hm. Is this someone truly fighting to get DYH lynched and believing his own scumread? I mean RL stuff is RL stuff but giving an afk excuse is pretty lousy. How later is later? Before EoD? After EoD? Meh. | ||
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Rels same question but about DYH. Why vote Disfo minutes before deadline instead of Trfel? When he even made a post rescinding his tr on Trfel and asked me to explain why Trfel was town? If he is scum, rescinding his Trfel read over a past game and dropping him to "I can't make sense of him" then voting Disfo over Trfel? Trfel had 2 votes before Trfel and I voted FF. He voted Disfo 4 mins before deadline and after I voted FF. Why not vote Trfel instead to save FF? I see no scum motivation behind that move. | ||
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After saying let's lynch DYH, he showed up 30 mins before deadline. He also said Trfel, FF and I all did the same thing. But he chose Trfel to push. After being willing to sheep me on Disfo today but now he's back to sheeping Disfo on DYH. Says voting FF is a possibility but pure yolo. But dude voted Trfel. He also made a post before that one saying FF could be scum and if that's the case, likely partner is DYH. TMI? This was before FF was the lynch. But he voted Trfel over FF, while thinking FF could be scum. If FF could be scum, why did he vote Trfel? And why call it a yolo move if he thought he could be scum? Trfel also voted Rels before he went on FF. Trfel is dead now. And I think I'm seeing what Trfel saw in Rels filter. I'm pretty sure I'm voting Rels. | ||
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Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter. | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:49 Fecalfeast wrote: At first I got thevibe you were coasiting along but then your case dropped and I forgave you LS is honestly probably not scum but I think I have missed a few games with LS lately maybe he's changed? As scum he usually just shuts down from what I remember. Rels seems to be slowly dropping off but I can't really say my words hold much weight in that department NM is ignoring anyone who mentions me which is weird as I'm fairly aware of how scum likes to treat me when I'm town Trfel has the same icon as rels now and I've been mixing their posts up and am thinkning I need to reread lol but I have no time This was his first mention of Rels in any sort of trying to read him. A soft push AFTER he was already being lynched. Other than that, he straight up ignored Rels. But they voted together on Trfel. Hm. | ||
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On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote: I think I can guess it. Does he mention you too ? He tried to pin the Kush mislynch on me like HtS did. A few times. Kinda spewed me town there lol | ||
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On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote: The most important thing is how ff ask three people to expand his read on dyh. This is the big thing Right but one post you used is actually quite telling about DYH's alignment. He had DYH as town and needed a reason to backtrack on that to ML if need be. One post, FF said "lets say HTS flips red here. What does that make you think of DYH?" I don't think I've ever seen scum mention his entire team in a post like that. The way that post read, its like he wanted someone to imply HTS flipping red implicates DYH flipping red, too. That's suicide as a scumteam, especially now that FF flipped, too. It's like the Kush thing. If he can be convinced like HtS to vote because someone else lead it, and vote DYH, he can absolve himslef of blame for the mislynch. | ||
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On December 12 2015 06:36 Rels wrote: He tried to attack fidei for that. Why was dyh scumreading disfo and why did he vote him at deadline ? Not true. He even said that even though Fidei pushed Kush first, that it wasn't until I voted that the floodgates opened onto Kush. He didn't suspect Fidei over it until Fidei defended himself "weirdly.". Makes me think Fid was spewed town, too. DYH had disfo as a townlean until he read HtS filter and saw her interactions with him vice everyone else in thread and saw them as bland/telling. He also did this before my case on Disfo came but I saw these same things, which makes me think it's very possible that case came from town. If he's scum, he voted Disfo AFTER Fecal hit 3 votes, effectively hammering him, as well, when he could've voted Trfel to save him. That's why I think both LS and DYH are town here. Either one, if scum, could have voted Trfel to save FF. | ||
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On December 03 2015 08:41 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd say since fid's post didn't really get talked about while shining's seemed to trigger the floodgates that shining is more responsible for the voteswitch. Damdred you "voted" fid (not in the vote thread) when you came back to the thread today what's your read on him now that the dust has settled? I think shining asks you this pre deadline but with him trying to start the train does that change anything? Also I'm still a little perplexed by your LS townread. You were hard scumming him and him making a post saying he's VT while people are switching votes 1 min before an active deadline makes him lock town? IDK maybe I operate on another level but 1 minute is a long time when you're at a computer and he could have seen the votes switching. | ||
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On December 04 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I think fidei's passive 'switch to kush' wasn't actually trying to start shenanigans but the way he's playing it off now makes it suspicious. Like he says here (in the nested quote) that he didn't think people would follow him ontoi that shitty lynch. If it was shitty... Why was he there? Then this pandering to me when I call out the post, without actually voicing any concern. Fidei doesn't ask me to explain he knows he looks bad because he's thinking about his image. He even apologizes to me when I literally said nothing of value about his post. The shining, I haven't read his filter tbh but he's got a decent tone in his recent posts that makes me think he's town but I skim a lot lol. HTS was really pushing hard that you(LS) were town and switched to kush pretty easily from what I recall following the EoD before I replaced in. Another filter I'll have to look at. OK so I only have strong feelings on fidei (scummy) right now I will check out HTS and shining Last 2 posts I made make me think Fidei is town. | ||
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On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote: Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? | ||
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As for it being partner indicative, I really don't think so. It implies that Fecal was trying to fish to get DYH accused of bussing. Like if they're partners and both bussing, you don't ask town "hey do you think my partner is bussing or not?" That can go so wrong. | ||
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On December 12 2015 07:05 Rels wrote: Now that my game is over: look for how ff posted about chrom. There is a good koshi post about it. You just sent me to go find a post in a 27 page Koshi filter. But looking at FFs filter there(i was reading that game, knowing he rolled scum was part of why I scummed him for being unmotivated this game), im not sure I see it. He directly spoke to Chrom and even voted him. He didn't do any of that on DYH here. There he spoke to Chrom. Here he spoke about DYH. But he did neither for you. Its not a good heuristic to go by to read either of you. | ||
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On December 12 2015 07:16 Fidei86 wrote: Rels and TS I'm at a party. I think TS is town. Would you two stop fucking flirting and come to a landing point so I can sheep? Otherwise I want to stay on Rels. As of right now my vote is on Rels... | ||
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On December 12 2015 07:13 DoYouHas wrote: Start of d4 I hadn't caught up on the thread much or really looked at alternatives. I wanted to get something posted since I hadn't really played for a day and then I had my super long day where I couldn't play. So you hadnt read my night case on Disfo either when you voted? | ||
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On December 12 2015 07:22 Rels wrote: This is what I mean. You think he'd do the same thing in back to back scum games? From what I read, it doesn't seem as pronounced here as it was there. It's equally plausible that because he did that last game, he'd completely ignore his partners this game. Ugh. One of you is scum and I want to be on the right wagon. What do | ||
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This is kinda bad but does scum admit this in thread. Hoping I'd move off of FF and bring another with me would've gotten disfo lynched and also saves FF...but again...does scum admit this in thread? My head hurts. | ||
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No. We have 3 mislynches and I've accepted disfo as town. Rels/NM/DYH win this game for town. I'm just trying to figure out the order, particularly if I get shot tonight. | ||
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On December 12 2015 07:30 Rels wrote: "does scum say the answer that make them look town" Mm ... I'm gonna go with yes It's more looking too scummy to be scum than looking town. But recent games have proven too scummy to be scum could still be scum. Hm. Weighing a 15 page filter vs a 3 page filter makes this much harder, too. | ||
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On December 12 2015 07:36 Rels wrote: Just letting you know that if you're town, you're dumb. If you're mafia, you're toasted by that opportunistic vote. Either way you're bad =D This isn't that fair because your vote on Trfel when FF was lynched was arguably just as bad or worse =/ | ||
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On December 12 2015 07:39 Rels wrote: "but now that you are on a comp fighting for your life I will get back to my other reasons to lynch you" This is bad but here's my main issue. We lynch DYH today and say he flips town. That's one Rels voter dead. Fidei or I get shot tonight. NM Will live because he is the other Trfel voter and subject to suspicion. LS Disfo and Rels obvs won't lynch Rels. Rels survives and if he's scum wins the game. Opposite scenario. Lynch Rels. If he does flip town, Disfo will still try to get DYH lynched and I think he gets more support than anyone could VS Rels. I'm trying to figure out which is the better scenario for town to win if we mislynch today | ||
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On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote: and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well. I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this. my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever. scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play. the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association. This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh. | ||
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On December 12 2015 07:55 NocturneMage wrote: I'm going to go ahead and give final reads then if I'm getting lynched. I am thinking Shining is town. My gut is saying that DYH is town. I broke the guy's filter sideways. Rels' case against him is 50/50 at best. disformation is probably playing suboptimal as fuck but my caution on him is that I can't follow his train of thought easily. Rels is scaring me. I don't understand this overexplanation shit, and I'm starting to fear the push on what I think is a 50/50 case. And I am agreed with Fidei.....I fucking hate LS's play. If you sleep on him and if LS is mafia I am going to lose my fucking shit in the postgame. This is a weird post for someone with no votes | ||
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On December 12 2015 08:38 Fidei86 wrote: You guys fucking hell Rels shennanys off fucking DYH at the last minute jesus You votedhim before voting with him... | ||
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Disfo wasnt even around for eod. He is still trying go get DYH, arguably the lowest content player and one of the easiest lynches now, lynched. Rels said disfo was town for being around last day phase. That's NAI. He was being scumeead | ||
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Lynch disfo. My case is still accurate. Please. Especially if I get shot tonight | ||
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NM don't be a retard. I've been scumming disfo for 3 days now. If he's scum and shoots me with my lack of any other reads and work on anything else, it implicates him to all hell. | ||
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On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me). He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on. I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here. | ||
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On December 13 2015 08:17 NocturneMage wrote: seriously the only thing I can think of why Shining is alive (1) he's wrong on everyone (2) he's mafia like nothing looked off but.... I'm town so me being wrong on everyone points to you scum...ha. | ||
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On December 13 2015 08:54 LightningStrike wrote: So you suggesting that he bussed HTS right off the bat? Seems very bold to business your roleblocker that hard that early. Fecalfeast did it which means it isn't as far fetched to believe NM would, too. Why bus your RB that early? For badly badly needed town cred that the Moosy/NM slot needed. But Disfos outlier vote looks just as bad. So either one is still plausible. | ||
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On December 13 2015 08:52 disformation wrote: Hmm... what happened to this? So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon? You know: help me to help you. Your vote on DYH while saying HTS is scum is still bad. DYH had his case on HTS before NM did. And nah doing either of those would require me still caring about this game, which I don't now that I know we had either a stacked or wasted Vig shot. Maybe I'll get around to why Rels case on DYH wasn't good. I already made a few posts on the points regarding FFs interactions with DYH but its whatever. This game is dragging and I'm tilting, its obvious and it is probably one of the reasons why I'm still alive. | ||
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Town mindset: shining if you're town, don't tilt, continue playing and help find the last scum. Scum mindset: ok shining fair enough, keep tilting, let me win this game. DYH is town. Disfo is scum. ##Vote: disfo | ||
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On December 09 2015 23:58 disformation wrote: Okay. Here we go for real. ![[image loading]](http://files.gamebanana.com/img/ico/sprays/objection.png) The following spoiler contains the whole lot of Onegu's filter. Warning: open on own risk, it is kinda huge and the mass could smother you. I will not be accountable to any injuries. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote: Onegu VT claim. Be back later Sooo... If anyone has advise on how to get a read from that, I will gladly listen to that. Otherwise I am really not sure how in the nine hells I am supposed to have a read on him. I hereby boldly proclaim that not having a read on Onegu is probably NAI. No HtS never got to rereading me. Also remember she never pushed DYH D1? Or voted him for what I can remember. Could have easily be a scum lean on a partner to hide the connection. I am very sure I said something similar to this in some of my town games, but that would be self meta so I'll go with: "okay, if you say so". Of course I do leave her openings, she was sick and not playing much, that is the polite thing to do here. And me worrying about FF is the same thing I wrote about yesterday prior to lunch. Well, since HtS wasn't exactly posting much at the time, there was not much new in her filter to find. If you read a filter a few times and can't come up with a conclusion what are you to do? Well this doctor has good advise for me I suppose: ![[image loading]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ft-LOumBOlA/hqdefault.jpg) Last game I was able to correctly form a town lean/read on FF after having a bit of a conversation with him in thread, so I was hoping for this to happen again, so I tried to engage him everytime he popped up. But you are right, I should have been more hesitant to town lean him off being lazy and be more suspicious since we never managed to have decent conversation. The rest of your case pretty much boils down to me having trouble deciding what to do with HtS D2. Yeah, you are right it looks pretty bad. I guess I had too much trouble evaluating her outside the sickness thing. HtS coached me in my second game here and we get along really well, maybe that affected my ability to really evaluate her this game and made me wish it was only the sickness that affected her play. Another bad mistake I have to learn from I guess. So outside me not voting HtS D2 and generally looking bad on my progression on her D2. I kinda feel you are trying to look at the trees a bit too hard and start to come up with stuff that is kinda NAI or not really hard mafia indicative (like the Onegu thing). I would like you to take a step back and look at my overall play this game. Do you really think I didn't try to solve this game? If the answer is yes: feel free to lynch me, I'll still flip green, though. Other good pointers on how to proceed: Disformation never used images in his previous town games. scum read. Disformation is defending himself too much. scum read. Disformation is not defending himself at all. scum read. The thing about this response to my caase is that pretty much none of it makes Disfo not scum. Almost none of this response disproves my case. I'll skip the part about Onegu because like I said, its one post and hes right, its NAI. Disfo agrees on HtS never rereading him, which is true. However, he uses that block to discuss her willingness to lynch DYH/Kush. Says its a way to cover for her scum partner. But by that same train of thought, NOT rereading someone she promised to reread (Disfo) is also a cover for a partner. Especially since she was heavily scummed after she came back. Discussing Disfo after a reread if he's her scum partner is way too risky, so she avoided doing it altogether. Next block is a self-meta/"OK if you say so.". Again not disproving or addressing what I'm saying. He uses a polite excuse as the reason for excusing HtS absence in the next block. The thing is, these things he was excusing(her absence, lack of reads, lack of follow-up) is exactly what made her scum. It seems he was just hesitant to scum his RB so early. Next block is another non-defense. He implies he read her filter a few times and couldn't come up with a conclusion, but the fact still stands that he asked the thread if she had posted in the night. If he had read her filter a few times, he would know she hadn't posted. But he's not trying to figure out HTS alignment because he already knows it. So he asks the thread to see where they're at RE: HtS. Next block, he refers to his correct lean on FF in the last game and that being why he wanted to engage him. But he gave no read on FF neither before or after these attempted engagements, other than lazy town FF which he had before the interactions. So the only thing I can get from those interactions was to interact for interactions sake. He even admits that I'm right in that he should've been more suspicious after not being able to really engage with FF. But like HTS, if he already knows FFs alignment, there's no reason to be suspicious. Then he dismisses the rest of my case as being not sure what to do with HTS. Which is not true. I made more points about FF but even so, his vote not landing on HtS just looks so bad. He uses his past experience with HtS to try to explain his actions as unsure or being nice, but its an appeal to emotion, not what actually happened in the game. If so, he would've said these mthings originally, not when he was asked to explain them. Then there's every follow up after I said I originally didn't like his response to my case. And his filter starts really falling off around that point. A lot of it is "Shining, what didn't you like? Can you do this?" He's talking to me like I'm confirmed town and it doesn't once occur to him that I could maybe be scum trying to push his mislynch. Why? Because he knows I'm not scum. Which brings me to NM. Revisiting his vote on me and suspicion today, it feels like it comes from town. The paranoia and realizing I'm heavily townread and alive is true. However, shooting me when I've been on him for 2 day phases is too telling for him to shoot me. It gives him away. Instead he's forced to play the risky game of keeping me alive and WIFOMing like he has been trying to and trying to convince me he's town. He has spent more time trying to convince myself and the thread he's town than he has trying to find the last scum. He claims he wouldn't have been here at EoD even if he was the lynch but there's no way to prove that. He's been scumming DYH for days and even though he's pushed him, he's never actively trying to get him lynched at EoD. Also, right after I cased him, he tried his best to ride the town cred from hammering FF. Even made a nice spoilered post about it. But what I don't understand is if he's under suspicion like he was before the FF lynch, and FF is just a goon, why wouldn't he try to hammer for some cred? People here including myself have entertained the thought of NM bussing his RB upon entering the game. Which is more likely? NM bussing his RB with a possible vet in the game? Or a scumread Disfo hammering FF after seeing the votes minutes before EoD and panicking about not lynching scum twice? He NEEDED to bus FF, or it would've been two scum lynches he wasn't on, on top of being scumread. | ||
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On December 14 2015 05:04 LightningStrike wrote: I thought you were going to go to NM? O_o I explained why NM could be town after voting me in my last post. I am trusting my early reads in the game, when I said Disfo and FF were likely scum before FF was ever a lynch. Nothing Disfo has done this game reeks of town to me. Just cautious and hedging scum | ||
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On December 14 2015 05:22 DoYouHas wrote: Like, if you agree with your own case and all the things Rels posted against me, why are you hesitating? Like this. This is good. Why does your top scumread for 2-3 days have to push you to vote him? I don't understand the town motivation behind that level of motivation. Disformation has numerous instances where he hedges and suspects others before easily dropping it while keeping his stubborn read on DYH. At one point he hedged on me early in the game, said I wasn't the town Shining he was used to on D1 and I had better poosts last game. Then in one of his list posts after that, he said I was town D1 from what he could remember. But that's not true, according to his hedging and suspicion. | ||
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On December 14 2015 05:55 disformation wrote: Oh, that one gave me a nice idea... Scum knew that there could not be a possible vet in this game after the boxer flip. Boxer flip leaves 3 possible setups. Since the Vigi flip we know it is Setup C with Goon, Goon, RB. The possible setup with the Vet would have been Goon, GF, RB. Meaning after the boxer flip scum knew it was B or C since they at least had to know their roles. No vet possible. Which should make it a bunch easier to bus the RB early...[/QUOTE] Thanks for the slip. Everyone should go vote Disfo now. Scum had a Goon and RB flip. There is no way for any other town to know whether the 3rd scum was a goon or GF. Vig didn't flip until the NK last night. Even if scum knows their roles, we only know the goon and RB flipped. You just implied there is a GF. After the boxer flip, even if scum knew their own roles, you shouldn't. | ||
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So now you're saying NM is scum and bussed then? Because even if scum would know its B or C after the Boxer flip, without having a GF, bussing an RB when they could block a possible red check or Vig shot is still not the most optimal play. Especially since without the Vig flip at that point, they wouldn't know if there's a cop or not. Bussing a goon when you're under suspicion is still a likely play. | ||
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Disfo says "oh crap remember FF entrance? I was suspicious of him cuz he was always doing stuff and quite lazy like last game" but he wasn't suspicious of him. He towned him for these reasons. It took until right before EoD when the lynch started for Disfo to use these same reasons he towned him as the reason why he was voting him. | ||
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On December 09 2015 06:14 The Shining wrote: I love Monday Tuesday phases. /sarcasm Phone posting. I still want to lynch ff or disfo, honestly. FF taking the cheap sheep route is bad. And disfos posts just aren't feeling like the town disfo I played with before. Weak meta reads because I don't have time to filter but I really do feel I'm right on at least one of these, probably disfo. I liked DYHs points on hts association, too, I've made similar cases over weird interactions and reads between scummates before. I wish he hadn't backed down on it. NM Rels Trfel and DYH are town pile. Fidei doesn't feel as bad to me anymore. Voting disfo or ff. On December 09 2015 07:33 The Shining wrote: I actually like this train of thought, too, and it's one of the reasons that I want to lynch ff. Like I see what are in my opinion a lot of town on town interactions and the ones not weighing in on it are not doing so because they want town to bury themselves On December 09 2015 07:56 The Shining wrote: Honestly I'm voting fecal and I think I should be sheeped regardless of those not TRing trfel. It was also brought up that ppl don't want to take LS to lylo Why would you want to take ff to lylo then? How is it possible Disfo could have 0 reactions to any of these posts then pull this off? On December 09 2015 07:58 The Shining wrote: He just realizes this now. Tell me again why Disfo is town Obvious bus is obvious | ||
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On December 14 2015 06:38 disformation wrote: The last of your posts you quoted here was like 2 mins b4 my vote and was one of the posts prompting me to look at FF's filter again? Sry for double checking posts myself and not blindly sheeping you... The first post was an hour and 45 minutes before EoD. The second post was Trfels and a half hour before EoD. You chose to completely ignore these until the wagon started. You didn't have to blindly sheep anyone. You had time to examine these posts and go to FFs filter to compare and comment on them. But you decided to do so on your own without comparing to these posts after the lynch started. You had almost 0 discussion about FF leading up to the lynch until him being lynched became a real possibility, even though both Trfel and I had mentioned him before. | ||
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On December 15 2015 03:37 disformation wrote: Day 1 Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu Day 2 Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike DoYouHas (1): disformation NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky Day 3 Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation Trfel (3): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, Rels LightningStrike (1): Fidei86 Fidei86 (1): LightningStrike Disinformation (1): DoYouHas Day 4 Rels (3): DoYouHas, NocturneMage, The Shining DoYouHas (2): disformation, LightningStrike NocturneMage (2): Fidei86, Rels Recap of vote reasoning: The Shining on kush: LS voted kush for survival. NAI. DoYouHas on LS: I already explained my reasoning for my LS vote, find it somewhere in my filter. TS vote seems town, but can come from mafia if both wagons are town. LS NAI. Mentioned that I am not fond of DYH reason like 3 billion times by now. TS on HtS: I am not sure what point he put out against her. Can someone point that out to me? Because this might be an attempt to veil he is only voting her cause NM. LS on HtS: After basically null reading her all day. Waits until very late to vote. NM on HtS: Comes in saying she is probably mafia. Talks to her like she might be either alignment. Comes back to vote her. Says he wants to write a case on HtS without using meta, never does. DYH on HtS: Has the first case on her N1. Only does vote her after NM does so. disformation on DYH: was discussed already. If you still have questions, ask while I am still around. The Shining on FF: solid progression here, nothing to complain about imo. NocturneMage on Trfel: solid progression here, nothing to complain about imo. DYH on me: "Hey look let me throw away my vote and ask ppl currently voting my scumpartner to switch to that!" LS on Fide86: Well, he posted his case on Fidei86. Still threw his vote away. disformation on FF: was already discussed. DoYouHas on Rels: "Hey I found some wifom on one of the guys trying to lynch me all game." NM on Rels: "That guy is totally 50/50. let us lynch him!" The Shining on Rels: Fair enough. So even if you don't believe DYH bussed HtS like this. Look at his other votes. lol I love how sometimes you talk to me like I'm confirmed town and try to convince me you're town and other times, you make posts like these trying to find mafia motivation behind everything I do. The point I put out regarding HtS, since you asked, was her weird way of shifting the Kush lynch blame onto me. "Shining, done." Like she knew it was going to be a mislynch and wanted to shift blame on me if she was under suspicion for it. I found it very strange, especially for someone who hadn't given me a truly solid townread or town vibes. | ||
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As for him voting Rels, so did I. =/ And I've had Disfo scum since December 3rd...but again, I think everyone was thrown off by the FF vote and gave him too much cred for it, which from a scum perspective would be exactly what Disfo was aiming for. The Rels post RE: DYH was pretty WIFOMy but like NM said, he's not WIFOMing all game and it wasn't the worst point to make. It got town Rels lynched and I do feel bad about that but it's easy to get lost in WIFOM, especially as town. Disfo has been scumming/pushing DYH for idk how long but every time it actually comes down to it, his posts are more concerned with proving he's town or finding possible scum motivations between things other people do. LS, NM, myself. He's done it to all of us at least once, even though he's been scumreading DYH for ages. We only have 1 scum left. Wouldn't the town perspective be to just gun down the last scumread he has? Especially if he's been reading him scum for like, forever? | ||
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On December 15 2015 04:33 NocturneMage wrote: I think my vote is in a good place based on the most likely motives and evidence at hand. If for some reason disformation flips green then I'm probably making between Shining and DYH in mylo assuming we are all alive, and probably looking at their relative pushes on a town disformation because scum clearly needed what will have been a mislynch and it has appeared quite easiest to get it. But disformation will need to flip before we go this direction. LoL in a world where Disfo flips green, I don't think NM/Shining/DYH end up in Final 3. That implies an LS NK. | ||
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I don't think they have a choice. | ||
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YASSSSSSSSS. GG everyone. And man. I don't want to be cocky or a douche or anything but...the last couple of games, I've gotten a bit better at reads. I'm starting to really like rolling VT. =D | ||
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Yeaaahhhhh sorry, I actually felt really bad about lynching you, Rels. Glad I could at least bring the win home <3 | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:03 Blazinghand wrote: you played fine, disformation-- it was just a tough situation, and getting to 5-1 on your own like that is not easy. You should feel good Also, this. You were IMO NEVER clear clear scum. Just a good read I had over a few things. And this was your first scum game, which is damn impressive, looking at your filter. 10/10 would roll scum with you. | ||
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The Shining
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On December 15 2015 08:05 DoYouHas wrote: I'm really happy I made 2 correct cases here. Unhappy that I wasn't confident enough to push them like I should have. Low activity aside, your cases, analysis, attitudes and the reads I shared with you were what helped me TR you. Things like trying to get me back into the game, going back and grabbing Damdreds reads, even though I scummed Disfo early you went and did the HtS filter analysis which I thought was spot on. I'm just glad you weren't lynched | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:13 disformation wrote: Ah, I kinda was in love with my nk's though. In hindsight I should have shot TS N2 instead of Palmar, if I knew he would be so on point later. Will shoot TS early next time. Lmao I never got shot. I hope it stays that way. I'm usually always wrong until D2-3 XD | ||
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