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This is damning. Particulary the third point; it strongly indicates a scum partner.
On December 09 2015 19:49 Rels wrote:Now here is what FF does concerning DYH: 1 - never talked directly to him. 2 - does not have a read on him ever: Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:33 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:24 disformation wrote:On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I replaced into one of these high effort games eh? I don't think I can compete with Trfel.  This HtS thing is super confusing to me right now, so I was trying to find something in the EoD1. Like Trfel is sending mixed signal, NocturneMage replaced into a super shady looking slot with some shady looking entry posts and the guy I have a scum read on (DYH) hesitates not a second to vote with NM... though after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad... which brings me to the next point: If I ignore HtS's sickness, she doesn't good either. Can't even hope that Damdred comes in, drops three one liners, and drops some of his logic...  Btw, do you have a read on DYH? not yet no Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 08:28 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 08:17 disformation wrote:On December 05 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok am at work what's up boys I see hts still hasn't popped up? Guess she gave up?
Hmmm... I think her last post was at start of N1 when kush flipped? So possible. Currently looking at Fidei86's filter. Any questions for me while I am around? Have you looked at DYH, yet? Right, no, on it chief. The only posts where we can guess his read on DYH are these ones. It looks like he's townleaning him, but not much. This is a scum partner indicator. Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? I'm fairly suspicious of DoYouHas. I'm not really sure what implications a Half the Sky scum flip would have on DoYouHas. Do you have any thoughts about NocturneMage or anyone else that you want to talk about? DYH brought up HTS as possibler scum before NM and NM referenced DYH in his post calling HTS scummy. I think NM's entrance set a bit of a scummy tone initially but his recent postings have been pointed and he seems to be following a logical thought progression. He's obviously very confident in his HTS read which is why I'm sheeped all over that. I think NM is towny though I'm pretty allergic to deep reading right now. also he has 5 pages after replacing in night 1, is NM known to be a high effort scum? Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 09:10 Fecalfeast wrote:What posts are taking the easy way out btw shining? I'm aware that I told LS that I'd do stuff and then did not but when did I deliver easy low effort content relative to what "lazy uncaring town FF" would do? On December 06 2015 09:02 The Shining wrote:
I don't want screenshots. Give me a reaction instead? There's 1 or 2 scum bussing HtS. Do you have any thoughts? Anyone who You think voted HtS too easily? Thoughts on disfo? re: scum busing hts yep, scum bused hts. NM had her number and she would know that from the get go, especially with her being sick. Which leads into disform, the WIFOM here is strong but I don't think scum would put themselves out there like a sore thumb like that. re: people voting hts too easily everyone? DYH at least had a case but most people referenced NM when they voted from what I remember 3 - questions people that talks about DYH, asking them to flesh out their reads / expand. This is a classic mafia partner tell; FF does not push DYH, but is acting like he might be suspicious of him so they're not too obviously linked. Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 11:02 LightningStrike wrote:On December 05 2015 10:24 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote:On December 05 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:15 LightningStrike wrote:On December 05 2015 10:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
yo LS you were sad that I brushed you off before what've you got for me Ya I was wanting to know if you gotten anything from filter diving that the people you said you were going to? didn't do it, who again? I forgot you said you had 150 posts you catch up on I mean that. Did you get anything from those 150 posts that you were catching up on? i only really commented on the palmar/fidei interaction but I think the lack of HTS + the lack of any real resistance to the HTS lynch means this is probably a full-steam-ahead bus situation. I think that trfel has been acting strange but outside of what I've already said I've not read much further into him. I think you're a little to focused on yourself, LS and would like to see sme reads from you. On December 05 2015 00:04 LightningStrike wrote:BTW James I did say some of my treads throughout my filter but here is a list if you really need one -_- Town: Palmar: Meta says town for him here with his push on Shining look exactly like he did to me in Metal Mini FF: Lazy FF is normally town FF from what I remember but I want him to do more work Rels: He actually put out some cases mainly his case on FYH seems to stick out to me a little and when he was scum I don't remember him casing multiple people O_o Shining: His responses and his questioning seem like Town Shining this game. Tfrel: He did try to case people yes but he done it as scum but he seem much more serious tone here but I should prob check the scum game that some of you guys said this similar to his play there. NM: He went super tryhard right out of the gates but my only issue with him like Rels said is that he not as analyical as I remember him being. Null: HTS: Some of her content seems questionable but she not feeling exactly well either but I willing to give her another day for now to have her feel better and post again. James: It might be a long time but I don't think I ever seen james get so tunneled on me ever O_o But his content is okay. Scum: DYH His read progression is very weird like it doesn't feel natural. Plus some of stuff seems like it adds little value. If I missing anyone let me know. Plus disformation being town he contributed a good amount and brought up stuff that people had overlooked or no one was willing to. could you expand upon your DYH read since we're talking about him right now?
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Hts didnt anything for 71 hours n1-d2. It is indicative that she's OK being lynched, and that her teammates took advantage of it to get town cred.
FF didn't really take advantage of it. I don't see disfo being the last scum, that would mean the scum team just didn't get advantage of their perfect info.
This indicates of course dyh or nm. Maybe fidei too.
Please stop being inactive and lets lynch dyh today please. I think I'll fight for his lynch.
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On December 11 2015 02:03 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 09:03 Blazinghand wrote:Vote Count disformation (1): NocturneMage DoYouHas (1): disformation Not Voting (5): DoYouHas, Rels, Fidei86, LightningStrike, NocturneMage Currently disformation is set to be lynched.This Day ends at Friday, Dec 11 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
Lynch Voting is done in the voting thread (here). Do not PM me your vote.
Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. I wasn't aware I got a free vote. Cheers mods. ##vote disformationIn seriousness, I'll be around I want to say midnight-ish my time to read further/discuss (looking more into more indicative evidence if any on Rels case ATM I'm not sure I understand) if people are around.
The 3rd part of the post of ff posts on dyh is super incriminating. Ff refusing to give a read on dyh, but being aware he made a case on hts + asking everybody that talks about dyh means they are partner. Do you disagree ?
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On December 11 2015 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways Rels if you are here can you tell me why you thought Tfrel was more scum than FF at EoD?
1 - the whole day I was suspicious of Trfel.
2 - at EOD he came back voting me with no explanation; left; than came back changing his mind again and voted FF. I found that suspicious.
3 - I have DYH as scum, and I found his behaviour towards Trfel at EOD maybe partner indicative; he said he was OK to lynch Trfel; didn't vote him; and went back on disfo.
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On December 11 2015 11:14 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2015 10:45 NocturneMage wrote:
DYH, I have a question for you.
Let me give you this hypothetical scenario.
You are town. Let's say disformation is lynched, and he flips town.
Who is likely to be scum in that situation and why? Rels, definitely rels. I'm actually considering him being potentially more likely than disfo. Trfel's death points his direction. He has push cases and suspicions almost exclusively on townies. He defends or doesn't interact with scum.
On December 11 2015 13:57 DoYouHas wrote:
Look at night kills:
Damdred- Read as townie by majority of players, killed when he has few scumreads or pushes going.
Palmar- Difficult lynch, killed before he starts really solving the game
Trfel- Essentially confirmed town, no reads going into the day
The common thread for every kill has been someone who would be difficult to lynch but could also come at the game with a new perspective. This implies that scum is less threatened by the current sentiment of the thread and more worried about an unknown element coming in and screwing things up.
The person that fits this mentality the best atm is Rels. There is the added benefit that Trfel was also one of the most likely among us to suspect and push Rels.
It is a bit WIFOM, but adding the fact that disfo hammered ff to the fact that Shining is still with us, my money is on Rels flipping scum over disfo.
##Vote: Rels
=D these are not reason that makes someone scum: pushing townies and "he is townread so he killed undecided townies".
What are your reasons for reverting your read on disfo ? Last time I checked your reasons for scumreading him were:
On December 09 2015 07:16 DoYouHas wrote:
I haven't completely flipped on you. I am still quite suspicious. Unless shining gets in here and helps me, that doesn't matter at the moment. I said my case was weaker because I realized that I wasn't able to recognize that trfel could have had that much interaction with HtS and still be either alignment. He had interactions with Breshke last game that even knowing both of their alignments, I wouldn't have found it suspect. That means the back half of my reasoning on you is not as sound as it needed to be to push your lynch.
On December 09 2015 07:55 DoYouHas wrote:
Screw it, I'm going to trust my initial instinct.
##Vote: Disformation
Shining, get on this wagon.
Can you expand on your "initial instinct" ? 'cause your initial instinct on disfo seems to me to be town. You even literally said "That was my gut read from the earlier filter reading." during D2:
On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
On December 04 2015 14:38 DoYouHas wrote:
The smart play for town if you do not have any good scumreads of your own at the end of the day is to sheep the scumreads of those you believe to be town, which is exactly what I did. And yes, Disfo gets lumped into my towngroup. That was my gut read from the earlier filter reading. Not particularly useful when I was searching for scum as I was choking on town/null reads and unable to find things I wanted to pursue. It was useful in deciding where to place my vote at the end of the day.
On December 06 2015 07:04 DoYouHas wrote:
My PoE right now looks like this:
Town: Rels, Shining, LS(I am still on board with the EoD VT claim)
Townlean: Disfo, Palmar, Fid (need to look into him more)
Unfiltered: NM, FF
Suspicious but incomplete: Trfel
Scum: HTS
Then you voted disfo for this reason:
On December 07 2015 09:20 DoYouHas wrote:So this analysis is very similar to votecount, but it is based off of lists that a scum player makes. Every scum player I have ever played with will include at least 1 scum-mate on lists that they make. Here is HtS's first list: + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote:Hey everyone. A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed - Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough. Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why: Show nested quote +Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up. Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously. disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game. So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation. Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence. Moving to Palmar/Shining... 1. Damdred, Rels, Moosy, Trfel, Disfo HtS's second, third, & lynch list: + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.
Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.
Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. 2. Trfel, Damdred, Fid, Disfo 3. Trfel, Disfo, LS Lynch: DYH, Kush, Onegu(pure policy) HtS's fourth list: + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 04:48 Half the Sky wrote:I'm here. I am still really sick (and thanks for the well wishes all, I hope I will improve) but I'm going to try my best here to answer all the questions possible. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me  + Show Spoiler + And where did you get that conclusion from? On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -
LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise. Trfel, I mentioned a post where I scumleaned you initially for the comment you made on LS. I made an explanation as to why, it was something along the lines of tone and not wanting to take responsibility. There was something else that you mentioned, you answered it, but if you answered that first concern, show me the post where you did. There's a very good chance I missed it. Again, I failed to analyse you v Damdred. DYH over kush - It was part read on Trfel and part lack of followup on Trfel at that time when he commented on Shining/Palmar, which I felt could have come from either alignment. Also I wanted to press him for more reads, and I recall I did that somewhere. Obviously need to check his filter again and see what he's done since. I know I did not scumread him on activity especially since it's my first game with him and I don't know offhand if he's a lurky player. In any instance, I put both in a lynch list and I gave my reasons for not liking kush. Also I think it was you Trfel, whoever it was said that scum doesn't know the setup. This is not true. Look at the day one post. There is a list of 4 setups so that is part of where my statement came from. Additional comments/followups from what I saw from skimming the thread: Rels - posting game details has to be done regardless of whatever else games I'm playing. It either needed to be done when signups went up or very soon after. I was queued in, it had to get done. Take that as you will. Disformation - looking at your response to my last question right now, also did you have a question for me? You said a few times you were looking through my filter. Trfel - did you answer my questions regarding distinguishing activity between DYH and kush? (post 391, again if I missed it point it out) If you looked into Rels based on your last response to me, what did you think of him? (same deal if I missed it) Should hopefully be able to move forward after this. Let me see who is up for lynch and weigh in... 4. Trfel, DYH, Kush, Rels, Disfo - Ok. So she is putting Trfel and Disfo in pretty much all of her lists. By my above heuristic this makes one or both of them more likely to be mafia. However, take a look at her interactions with the people on her lists in her filter and see if any of them feel out of place compared to the others. Compared to her interactions with Trfel, Rels, Damdred and her suspicion of me and Kush, her interaction with Disfo is very bland, flat. She starts with vague scumlean but the rest of her interaction reads more like she is inviting him to interact with her for the sake of interacting. - I think the cross between these two methods is a pretty good reason to scumread Disfo. Please look into it yourselves. ##Vote: Disformation
On December 07 2015 09:47 DoYouHas wrote:
It is not about # of interactions. It is about who is out of place in the people HtS decided to list once you eliminate those confirmed as town.
Her interaction with Trfel makes him very likely town.
Damdred is confirmed town.
Rels is likely town and her interaction with him is not out of place.
Kush is confirmed town.
I'm town. Also, her scumread on me was consistent and something that she came back to more than once.
Then you said it was not quite as scum indicative as you initially thought:
On December 07 2015 09:48 DoYouHas wrote:
But you do bring up a good point. I need to look into this from your side of things. Will filter you after dinner stuff.
On December 08 2015 14:17 DoYouHas wrote:
Soooooo, my reason for townreading Trfel apparently is bad. It is association based on his interactions with HtS. I've been looking at his last scum game. If I was playing, I would never have picked up on anything odd between him and Breshke. So confused...
This weakens my argument against Disfo as well, even if my initial assumption was true.
##Unvote
My to-do before the deadline is to reread the cases on Trfel and Fid, read Fid's filter and decide the more likely scum.
So:
Your "initial instinct" on disfo was town; you only had him as scum after a HTS' list posts analysis, which you quickly said afterwards that it was not really valid. What reason did "initial instinct" refer to when you voted disfo at EOD3 in this post?
On December 09 2015 07:55 DoYouHas wrote:
Screw it, I'm going to trust my initial instinct.
##Vote: Disformation
Shining, get on this wagon.
Then, what was your reason to vote disfo again more than 24 hour later ?
On December 10 2015 13:18 DoYouHas wrote:
It has been a long ass day. I'm going to come back and actually read this tomorrow with non-exhausted eyes.
##Vote: Disfo
See you all tomorrow.
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Reading this, you actually never had a reason to vote disfo besides HTS' posts and intercation analysis, which you said yourself was not super indicative of anything. You never bought up anything that disfo wrote against him. You said you would filter dive him at one point:
On December 07 2015 09:48 DoYouHas wrote:
But you do bring up a good point. I need to look into this from your side of things. Will filter you after dinner stuff.
Didn't:
On December 07 2015 13:11 DoYouHas wrote:
Dinner stuff ran long. More case making delayed till tomorrow
And on your next post 24 hours later unvoted him without saying anything about the content of his posts.
On December 08 2015 14:17 DoYouHas wrote:
Soooooo, my reason for townreading Trfel apparently is bad. It is association based on his interactions with HtS. I've been looking at his last scum game. If I was playing, I would never have picked up on anything odd between him and Breshke. So confused...
This weakens my argument against Disfo as well, even if my initial assumption was true.
##Unvote
My to-do before the deadline is to reread the cases on Trfel and Fid, read Fid's filter and decide the more likely scum.
I have no idea what you mean by "going with my initial insctinct, ##vote disfo".
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Any euro here ? Yesterday I had work to do, but today I'm super bored.
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On December 01 2015 09:17 The Shining wrote:
And what looks good about the rest of that post? It's a long post and the only thing I got from it is I'm scum, DYH questioning Rels is towny, but Rels is also towny off of some metaread, and everyone else is null.
On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:
Rels is on the scumside of null for scumming both Damdred and DYH for wanting the named VT to claim(which I agree with, there's no reason not to), along with 0 townreads.
@Shining I didn't post between these two posts. Do you remember what changed ?
In particular, what is "some metaread" you're talking about ?
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OK you're talking about fidei in the first post, my bad.
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On December 03 2015 03:27 Fidei86 wrote:
16/26.
The only reason not to policy lynch Onegu is that he will almost certainly be replaced for inactivity. I'm probably going to put my vote on Moosy once i finish my run through. He has been useless and I can't stand people who put keeping their own meta pure ahead of winning the f***ing game.
Around that time, I was PMd by Onegu asking me if he could replace out of my game. This is a extremely weird coincidence.
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On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.
If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.
Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION. First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right.
<3
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On December 11 2015 23:59 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2015 23:44 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 03:27 Fidei86 wrote:
16/26.
The only reason not to policy lynch Onegu is that he will almost certainly be replaced for inactivity. I'm probably going to put my vote on Moosy once i finish my run through. He has been useless and I can't stand people who put keeping their own meta pure ahead of winning the f***ing game. Around that time, I was PMd by Onegu asking me if he could replace out of my game. This is a extremely weird coincidence. Hm. Isn't that out of game information?
Yep.
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On December 12 2015 00:13 disformation wrote:Was looking at a few filter, but not really seeing anything new... FF actually had a bunch of posts on Fidei86, like: Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote:I think the fidei palmar interaction has palmar looking towny while fidei came out looking a little worse to me. One thing I remember that I'll dig up is On December 04 2015 22:59 Palmar wrote:
You're overthinking (possibly suspiciously?)
You said it best yourself, now we kill hts. On December 04 2015 23:02 Fidei86 wrote:
Lets leave it there and see what everyone else has to say. Don't want to hijack the thread totally. Which looks a little too much like he's trying to avoid palmar expanding further on his possible suspicions and/or not wanting to slip up and further those suspicions. additionally I don't like this On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote:On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out. Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town. this comes after fidei said "can we lynch you for not playing the game palmar?" and palmar retorted with his filter length. It looks like fidei saw a potential lynch option down the road and made a post without even checking palmar out. Could possibly indicate that fidei's not really reading since I remember at least seeing a number a palmar posts. I was going to comment on a possible overexplanation by fidei on why he is ok lynching hts because hts is probably aware of NM's ability to read her since they're married iirc but that's getting a little wifomy even for me So he was pushing Fidei86 a bit. Though again: no real interactions imo...
Yep that's true FF attacked fidei with arguments not said by someone else, which is super unlikely for partners.
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OK DYH is the only possible scum. Please vote him so that game can end.
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On December 12 2015 00:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2015 17:44 Rels wrote:On December 11 2015 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways Rels if you are here can you tell me why you thought Tfrel was more scum than FF at EoD? 1 - the whole day I was suspicious of Trfel. 2 - at EOD he came back voting me with no explanation; left; than came back changing his mind again and voted FF. I found that suspicious. 3 - I have DYH as scum, and I found his behaviour towards Trfel at EOD maybe partner indicative; he said he was OK to lynch Trfel; didn't vote him; and went back on disfo. Okay I will see if that actually lines up.
Sure, can you vote DYH afterwards ?
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On December 12 2015 00:59 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 00:37 Rels wrote:On December 12 2015 00:34 LightningStrike wrote:On December 11 2015 17:44 Rels wrote:On December 11 2015 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways Rels if you are here can you tell me why you thought Tfrel was more scum than FF at EoD? 1 - the whole day I was suspicious of Trfel. 2 - at EOD he came back voting me with no explanation; left; than came back changing his mind again and voted FF. I found that suspicious. 3 - I have DYH as scum, and I found his behaviour towards Trfel at EOD maybe partner indicative; he said he was OK to lynch Trfel; didn't vote him; and went back on disfo. Okay I will see if that actually lines up. Sure, can you vote DYH afterwards ? 1. Okay... 2. He said he didn't like some stuff from you(was very vague) hence why he voted for you. 3. And that's why assiocation reads are generally not that great Anyways I could possibly vote DYH but the wagon buildpotentally troubling. I'll weigh the options in a little bit.
How is it troubling ? And more generally, how could a wagon building be potentially troubling when there is only one scum alive ?
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On December 12 2015 01:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 01:06 Rels wrote:On December 12 2015 00:59 LightningStrike wrote:On December 12 2015 00:37 Rels wrote:On December 12 2015 00:34 LightningStrike wrote:On December 11 2015 17:44 Rels wrote:On December 11 2015 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways Rels if you are here can you tell me why you thought Tfrel was more scum than FF at EoD? 1 - the whole day I was suspicious of Trfel. 2 - at EOD he came back voting me with no explanation; left; than came back changing his mind again and voted FF. I found that suspicious. 3 - I have DYH as scum, and I found his behaviour towards Trfel at EOD maybe partner indicative; he said he was OK to lynch Trfel; didn't vote him; and went back on disfo. Okay I will see if that actually lines up. Sure, can you vote DYH afterwards ? 1. Okay... 2. He said he didn't like some stuff from you(was very vague) hence why he voted for you. 3. And that's why assiocation reads are generally not that great Anyways I could possibly vote DYH but the wagon buildpotentally troubling. I'll weigh the options in a little bit. How is it troubling ? And more generally, how could a wagon building be potentially troubling when there is only one scum alive ? Sometimes when a wagon builds up pretty fast then something is generally wrong but that just from my experience. I will filter dive dis vs DYH since both of them seem to be the main lynches as far I could tell so I'll do that.
Do you think 2 votes in 41 hours is pretty fast ?
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On December 12 2015 01:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 01:09 Rels wrote:On December 12 2015 01:07 LightningStrike wrote:On December 12 2015 01:06 Rels wrote:On December 12 2015 00:59 LightningStrike wrote:On December 12 2015 00:37 Rels wrote:On December 12 2015 00:34 LightningStrike wrote:On December 11 2015 17:44 Rels wrote:On December 11 2015 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways Rels if you are here can you tell me why you thought Tfrel was more scum than FF at EoD? 1 - the whole day I was suspicious of Trfel. 2 - at EOD he came back voting me with no explanation; left; than came back changing his mind again and voted FF. I found that suspicious. 3 - I have DYH as scum, and I found his behaviour towards Trfel at EOD maybe partner indicative; he said he was OK to lynch Trfel; didn't vote him; and went back on disfo. Okay I will see if that actually lines up. Sure, can you vote DYH afterwards ? 1. Okay... 2. He said he didn't like some stuff from you(was very vague) hence why he voted for you. 3. And that's why assiocation reads are generally not that great Anyways I could possibly vote DYH but the wagon buildpotentally troubling. I'll weigh the options in a little bit. How is it troubling ? And more generally, how could a wagon building be potentially troubling when there is only one scum alive ? Sometimes when a wagon builds up pretty fast then something is generally wrong but that just from my experience. I will filter dive dis vs DYH since both of them seem to be the main lynches as far I could tell so I'll do that. Do you think 2 votes in 41 hours is pretty fast ? I mean each time people tried to lynch DYh the votes come in a little fast in the past day phases(at least if i remember how fast people voted then unvoted him) Anyways the way talked about FF didn't much talk at all and seemed to distanced himself from him. Now going to dis's filter.
Man it's time like this I realize I didn't make any vote recaps. Because I'm super sure you're wrong; I could never get this guy lynched ever. Will do this quickly.
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