[T][M] Resistance V - Section 31

On November 02 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i gotta get off for some time. I am starting to get angry at this.

On November 02 2015 19:15 Rels wrote:
rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.

On November 02 2015 23:18 Xatalos wrote:


Which game are you referring to?

I think he can get plenty angry as town too lol

On November 02 2015 23:22 Rels wrote:

But he actually didn't leave the thread. I mean, read the post just after the last one you quoted.

On November 02 2015 23:31 Xatalos wrote:


Well, he did get pretty angry as town in the Vanilla game... The one that just ended.

Tbh I think it's not alignment-indicative for him.

On November 02 2015 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The problem is that is actually bad advice.

On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right?

On November 03 2015 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well that's not possibly true because both of our role PM's said vanilla town.

On November 03 2015 00:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Who do you trust the most at this moment ShoCkeyy?

On November 03 2015 01:05 Half the Sky wrote:


What??!?!!?!?

I posted my first wave of nominations: rayn/me/Superbia

You are getting nothing from:

1 Superbia/Xata interactions
2 Rels interaction with anyone
3 My own interactions

There's a lot of content out there.

For you to say everyone is null you would have to explain why all of the above comes from both alignments, or why what we're doing gets nothing done for town So you would need to in my book explain possible mafia motivations - at the very least, for me.

On November 03 2015 01:17 Rels wrote:

In which team ? rayn could be town so I'm OK with him in a team; I would prefer you / Xata / me though.

On November 03 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:

He's a townlean right now. That probably won't change for the better until a mission he's part of succeeds.

On November 03 2015 01:37 Rels wrote:

Cause he's attacking people over logical things, has hard townreads and is trying to solve the game as a whole. That's his town meta. I'm OK with him being part of the first team.

On November 02 2015 22:36 Rels wrote:

Where do I say I read you as town for your Superbia's read ?

On November 03 2015 01:45 Rels wrote:

Dunno, it's clear in my head. It was actually a few hours ago that I dropped this "dumb question" stuff, since this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=13#257

On November 03 2015 01:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Wait what?



So you're changing your stance on rayn from 3 hours ago? Wtf Rels...

On November 03 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think shockeyy is kinda scummy for trying to nail rels on changing his reads. Town changes their reads a lot more than scum does and is less careful in general.

On November 03 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:


There is practically zero chance he's getting on my team. What about Superbia/Rels/Xata/Kita or even myself? Any of the more actives?

On November 03 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Departing from Berlin shortly. About bloody time.

And Kita, as for less active players, sicklucker has done jack all, and Shockey I scumread but not for activity, I did pick out what I didn't like about him. Artanis I can go either way - he's inactive so if he was town he wouldn't have good reads, but I cannot rank him above say, rayn.

And "missing" for awhile, yeh that is why I am considering alternatives.

On November 03 2015 04:06 kitaman27 wrote:


Are you satisfied with the response Rels gave? The topic got dropped after this post.

On November 03 2015 04:23 kitaman27 wrote:


If I understand correctly, you feel that the rayn vs Rels interaction makes rayn look bad because of how he reacted in past games, but you also feel that Rels looks bad based on his sudden shift in opinion. Are you entertaining a scenario where there was a scum to scum interaction between rayn and Rels earlier on or if not, which behavior seems more town to you?

On November 03 2015 05:46 kitaman27 wrote:


Your turn now. What are you thoughts on me so far?

On November 03 2015 06:23 Rels wrote:

Pretty cool find! Xatalos definitely looked for scumreads in the vanilla game.

On November 03 2015 06:38 Rels wrote:

I'm pretty sure HTS was the first one to discard your angry meta stuff.

On November 03 2015 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't argue with scum.
And all of your posts are calling me scum.

On November 03 2015 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah that's what i am basically saying. I see no reason for HtS to not think you are town anymore, and add kita into the team if they are both mafia. That's why i think they are not both mafia. And kita is definitely easier to put the sabotage blame on than you are. But the switch from you -> kita gives me a pause, especially after HtS even puts Superbia as a townread over you (which i definitely do not agree with).

The way i see scum approaching this from the point of view that you are town is basically that casting doubt on you is at this point of the game a good play, because it's highly unlike the HtS team gets passed, and you are the next leader on line. So whoever you pick (assuming you are picking two other townies), they have a valid excuse to disagree with the team based on "Xatalos is there".

That's exactly what i did as scum in the last game i played, and it works out surprisingly well if you can't get your own team through and/or if you have the (rest of the) leaders from your scumteam in the bottom of the queue. That's also what i see all of kitaman/shockeyy/rels/hts possibly doing here. I don't understand any of those people's reasons for not heavily townreading you because you are very obviously town in this game.

As for your last paragraph, i do think at least Artanis would push stuff more, and SL would bus (lol). Basically as scum you want to look as town as possible and bussing is definitely not out of question, since you only need one scum onto a mission. If you, from the beginning, cut your own chances of getting to missions as scum, you basically just lose the game. Artanis knows better, and i find it genuine that he just has not have time to play and therefore hasn't have good reads. And i still think SL would just bus. And the rest of the people look worse anyways, and everyone cannot be scum.

On November 03 2015 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ShoCkeyy do you agree you, kitaman and Rels should go to the first mission?

On November 03 2015 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am basically trying to say that he scumreads Xatalos for "not giving out scumreads" when Xatalos actually has a good portion of townreads based on quite logical reasons. In contrary to this, kitaman has only one real read, which is that i am town.

On November 03 2015 04:50 kitaman27 wrote:
I don't think I'm comfortable with Xatalos just yet.

Here is his read list from what I gathered. Basically all town and null reads.

Xatalos - Obviously town reads himself

Half the Sky - Strong town read



raynpelikoneet - Strong town read



Superbia - Town read, though a tier below the previous ones. Questions the initial push, but seems content with him for the most part.





Rels - Null, though this sounds more like townie null



Artanis[Xp] - Null/No shared opinion?
ShoCkeyy - Null/No shared opinion?

sicklucker - Null

kitaman27 - Scum read for lack of interaction at start of the game. Hasn't elaborated much about me since then.

From his position knowing that there are three anti-town players, it seems like he isn't really suspicious of anyone aside from me, especially considering that he has so many posts already. I know that I'm probably biased considering that I'm the only one he seems to think is a spy, but that doesn't seem very satisfactory to me. He seems quite content with the status quo.



I know from my perspective, I wouldn't be so willing to pass along the nominations if I don't have a great idea of where the bad guys might be. Right now it seems more like a process of elimination based on the lack of posts from the null players. Considering we can have several more cycles to get that part sorted out, I'm concerned about his willingness to rush things along so long as he is included in the nomination.

I still don't think I've spotted an alternative to super/xat that I'd be satisfied with yet though. It seems that I have the opposite problem than xat. Most people are coming off as untrustworthy/null, rather than the other way around

On November 03 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
Whatever SL, I really don't see the point of your heuristic... It's really shallow and clearly faulty if you just think I'm scum based on my question to rayn, disregarding everything else.

I think shockey didn't read the post very well and thought Kita was giving his reads when he actually listed MY reads? Haha

On November 03 2015 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I can answer that. "Because rayn and Xatalos are teaming up against him". (that's what he said)
But on the other hand he now says he doesn't really think i am scum.

On November 03 2015 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

As for your last paragraph, i do think at least Artanis would push stuff more, and SL would bus (lol). Basically as scum you want to look as town as possible and bussing is definitely not out of question, since you only need one scum onto a mission. If you, from the beginning, cut your own chances of getting to missions as scum, you basically just lose the game. Artanis knows better, and i find it genuine that he just has not have time to play and therefore hasn't have good reads. And i still think SL would just bus. And the rest of the people look worse anyways, and everyone cannot be scum.

On November 03 2015 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i find it really funny that every other post you call me scum and every other post you tell me to point out where you call me scum.

It is literally hilarious. ^_^

On November 04 2015 01:05 Rels wrote:

LOL
Sry Shockey but I'm laughing really hard =D

On November 04 2015 02:47 kitaman27 wrote:


I'm confused what you are trying to say because I was working under the assumption that rayn was one of your spy suspects.







Are you arguing semantics between whether or not you "directly called him scum" or whether you "inferred he was possibly scum"? Is the difference important?

What do you think of people like Artanis, Xat or Super. Even if you aren't completely certain, it would be nice to see a bit more regarding what you are thinking about each of them.

On November 03 2015 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'm still kinda leaning scum on Shockey, though I do like that he's addressed a lot of issues I can very easily see his play be scum motivated, and I still feel like he was trying to get a hole in Rels' defense earlier.

Having reread Kita, I'm actually quite okay with him, though I don't think his points on Xatalos say too much. Finding scum in this game isn't really as important as finding town so I can see Town Xata searching for town moreso than scum.

I like Superbia's post on Rels, and honestly it does kinda make me doubt on him, but it moreso gives me a townread on Superbia for the way he's structured his post; he has a very clear idea of where he's going and that direction leads me to townread him.

The problem I have now is that I have too many townreads which is eh. I'm probably going to vote no on the first team regardless to get more time. I'm not going to have much time until Thursday honestly.

On November 04 2015 05:42 Xatalos wrote:
Well, Superbia has really just become inactive in recent times, not necessarily unengaged... We'll see what he does when he returns.

(btw his last post is kind of weird... said he's voting yes and will explain it later? why not now?)

On November 04 2015 08:06 Superbia wrote:
Half-here. Was general consensus no at EoD?

On November 04 2015 09:20 kitaman27 wrote:
Gnight.

On November 04 2015 20:52 Xatalos wrote:
Crap... My phone deleted everything I was writing as I went back to look at filters :/ Now I'll just write from the top of my head..

So yeah, right now I think shockeyy is probably scum (especially if he didn't realize that the votes would be public like sicklucker said..). The remaining scum should be one of HTS/Kita (explained before) and one of Rels/Superbia/Artanis. Tbh Rels hasn't seemed too bad lately considering his constant activity and engagement, while Superbia and Artanis have basically continued semi-lurking for a long time now. Not really confident who there is scum, but that should be resolved as the game progresses.

So overall, not really confident in attempting an all-scum team right now. Probably best just to go with the safe plan of me, rayn and.. sicklucker? He hasn't really done much besides the weird OMGUS on me, but just with PoE, the point about shockeyy and overall his "I don't give a fuck" attitude seem more likely from town IMO. Tentatively:

##Nominate Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker
(That should work?)

I'll be online only very sporadically for a while, but please comment.

On November 04 2015 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Since this worked so well for me last time I'm gonna go and do it again. Reads of X on Y below:

Things of note after I went through the filters:
-Superbia doesn't have many opinions at all. I don't like it. He was honed into one thing and one thing alone for a while and didn't really come to anything from it.
-I actually came off with a pretty strong townread on sl from it, which I was surprised by. He seems very open and aggressive in his posting which I didn't get from him when he was scum. Seems to actually be trying to do stuff.
-Surprised so many people scumread Rels still. He seems really active to me and pushing things. Can people explain this?
-Still actually kinda leaning scum on HtS. She seems highly defensive, and in hindsight I still don't really like how she mentioned how I didn't have much time, yet still tried to push a fear read based on not doing much.

Also, Rayn should be on whichever next mission. I also find it odd that shockeyy's actually suspicious of him, I'm not sure that's actually a good play as mafia to do but eh. Could be newbie scum I suppose.

On November 05 2015 05:26 kitaman27 wrote:


The problem that I have here is that you said you would pass every combination except the xat + rayn combo. rayn really seems to be the player you were most suspicious of on day one, yet you sent it through.

Also, don't get discouraged by everyone scum reading you if you are indeed town. People are going to reject pretty much anything you say if the hive mind is against you. Just keep trucking and maybe it will help sometime down the road

On November 03 2015 03:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm pretty much going to reject the xata/rayn combo wombo. I'd rather see the first team mentioned - hts,super,xata go through. At least if a sabotage happens, we definitely have a good chance of finding the mafia until the next mission.

On November 06 2015 00:48 Xatalos wrote:


We're not communicating outside of the game? How could we?

On November 04 2015 01:52 Xatalos wrote:


Atm I think rayn is most likely town. He has a very balanced view of the game and he's following what we talked about on Skype - trying to be more calm and reasonable in the way how he makes reads and pushes things. I didn't really see anything unacceptable from how his reads progressed so far.

Not completely sold on anyone else being town right now. One of HTS/Kita most likely is (I'd guess HTS....) and Superbia could be... SL and Artanis could also well be town based on their "free-spirited" posting like rayn said (not really pushing any agenda).

The rest would be null/scummy unless I forgot something. See previous posts about Kita and shockey, and you I'm less sure on, but... It's kind of hard to accept what reads you've been pushing (like the rayn push, town reading Kita/shockey over all others...?). While at it, you could just explain all of your reads so that I could try and make sense of it.

On November 06 2015 01:38 Xatalos wrote:


Maybe a typo? I don't think that team was ever even talked about.

On November 06 2015 08:04 Half the Sky wrote:
Nice.

So we have a scumteam of Rels/Shockey and one of Kita/Superbia. At least it's looking that way.

I'm thinking Artanis should nominate himself, rayn and Xatalos. That is my first impression.

On November 06 2015 08:53 Xatalos wrote:


So if I got this right... shockeyy would only vote for missions where there's one of me/rayn, but not both......? shockeyy?

On November 06 2015 08:59 Xatalos wrote:


LOL

I mean, I can kind of understand the principle... But where does this boundless confidence that we're scum come from? Just from the fact that we've defended each other? Wouldn't scum instead want to avoid direct "teaming up" or anything like that?

On November 06 2015 09:06 Xatalos wrote:


That's mission impossible though, since this is the only mission with 3 people I think.

On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:

First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game.

On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:

First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game.

On November 07 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

You do realize one of the spies could've voted pass, right?

On November 07 2015 08:33 Xatalos wrote:
That was ballsy >.> Especially if SL is scum...

But I still think rayn is town, so it pretty much has to be SL... Quite doubt it would be both. Wouldn't make much sense for scum rayn to embrace scum SL as the third member then...

I'll have to relook at them both though...

On November 07 2015 08:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Incidentally tripping over it as I'm reading through rayn's filter. Figures.

On November 07 2015 09:25 Xatalos wrote:
Mehh... I guess there's the very slight argument against rayn that he so easily townread Superbia when I got the opposite impression from the events... I just kind of don't think rayn would go out of his way to townread Superbia in that situation as scum, no matter what Superbia is. From what I remember, he scumread very aggressively in the VS game as scum (for not-so-good reasons as well), but didn't have many townreads at all. Meanwhile in the last Vanilla game as town he gave away townreads very easily (especially the townreads to me, Vivax and ritoky right away). So this basically falls more into his town play than scum play, I think.

On November 07 2015 09:48 Xatalos wrote:
Or maybe Artanis is just fooling us :/ He was the towniest town that ever towned in the I'm a Cop you idiot game and was scum all along. *shivers*

On November 07 2015 10:37 kitaman27 wrote:


The reason you say you are suspicious of super isn't possible though. You called him scum because you say you thought he wanted to reject SL/rayn/artanis. You can't think he was referring to a SL/rayn/artanis team because he said he wanted Artanis instead of SL in the post you called him scum for. How can he want artanis in place of SL if they are both in the team you think he is referring to?

Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I talking to a wall?

On November 07 2015 12:31 kitaman27 wrote:


Town points for voting reject. I'd say you are still probably in my bottom four based on posting.

Who is your preferred team this cycle?

On November 07 2015 23:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You guys need to see how hard rayn is pushing for me to be scum... Like he's desperately trying to sound town and him and data defending each other gives it away even more. He was just on the first mission that got sabotaged and is still trying to target me even though I've already said I don't want to be on a mission. Stfu already rayn, you're mafia and I caught you early on.

On November 07 2015 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Until you say something that actually has something to do with people actually being town/mafia you will get scumread and ignored.

fact.

On November 07 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

that is not a fucking trap if i think, as i did, that all of you three are town.
you didn't seem to have any problem with this either so why the fuck am i scum for it now?

On November 07 2015 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

this is bullshit. right now mafia will never vote yay in an all town team.

On November 08 2015 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are going to put both Rels & Shockeyy there you have to explain why my analysis on them does not make sense.

On November 08 2015 01:07 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, could you answer the question in my bigger post?

SL, my earlier questions?

On November 08 2015 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No it isn't.
As i said whoever Artanis nominates i am gonna vote yes for (unless he puts both of SL/Xatalos onto the team).
I am just giving my opinion.

Why do you disagree with me wanting to swap myself with Rels, you are townreading him, no?

On November 08 2015 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think the team is hts/shockeyy/sicklucker.
I can't give any percentage. I don't know why should i.

If you really want some kind of a percentage atm it is 100% for me.

On November 08 2015 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay. To be honest i am most confident of Artanis being scum outside the mission 1 and hts/shockeyy.
I really don't think Rels is mafia. Therefore it doesn't matter at all if me - Rels goes onto a mission, and i can't make Artanis swap himself with me right?

And after all i think he is not scum anyways. You can't win this game as town if you do not accept missions where you are not in by yourself. Excluding Xatalos 100% form the mission is just a pre-caution in case i am wrong, since while i think your read on him is bad, i also realize there is a possibility that i am wrong and you are not.

On November 08 2015 10:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am voting yes so the ppl who think i am mafia should vote no.

On November 08 2015 04:08 Rels wrote:
Shockey I would like your input on this.

On November 08 2015 11:57 Half the Sky wrote:
I anticipate I will be up until 0400 my time (or another hour and change from this post) so if anyone wants to talk, will do.

I answered Rels' questions, I got Artanis's earlier, if I missed yours, flag me. I read the last 10 pages and I don't think I missed any more.

Since Rels is up for debate, I'll prioritise him over the Xata meta analysis...

On November 08 2015 12:35 Half the Sky wrote:


Now. This is the one.

Now before I begin, a few things, just hear me out, I realise the entire game is scumreading me but I am going to explain point by point why most of what you are saying here is actually NAI on rayn.

1 rayn pushing for you hard to be scum is NAI. Here's why. As town, his tunnels are beyond brutal and sometimes beyond ridiculous, you ask any player (particularly the suboptimal towns or commonly scumread towns) he just assumes that logical = town, illogical = mafia. It has gotten townies mislynched and in Drams mafia left him alive (reference the mafia qt for that game) because he was massively wrong, and his attitude was destructive and created chaos for town. Other games where his tunnels have been criticised include Tropical Storm (GlowingBear? Damdred? I forget who), Drams (with rsoultin), Titanic 7 (myself), SOTW (with LightningStrike, etc), the list goes on.

Now as mafia, the agenda is pretty obvious. If you're town, you are an easy player to push. But the point here was to discuss how his pushing you can be his town mentality. You may not trust my meta read, but at least two others have mentioned the "logical = town, illogical = mafia" and reading his comments on the game in Drams should shed some light on how he operates. (posts 1565 and 66)

2 That said. #1 lends him to talking to absolutes. Kita and myself have both mentioned this, which stems from the whole "logical = town, illogical = mafia" thing.

From a mafia perspective you can argue if you want that they are buddying each other. Highlighting the quotes that show appeasement or TMI (usually after a prior scumread or as sicklucker said, Xatalos townread rayn almost immediately) would better help the rest of town see this if you are town.

From a town mentality - again, this is meta, he always thinks he's right and he spent multiple points meta-reading and going into detail why Xatalos was town. See posts 222 (first read), 685, 760/761 (first explanation), 850 (shocking absolute statement - Xatalos is confirmed town), 1018 (this is partial meta, admittedly I couldn't trust it because I have yet to play a game with Xatalos is town). In all fairness, sicklucker who has a more erratic game, and is more difficult to read as either alignment is obvously never going to be townread as town, or at least not as easily. But based on all these posts he's made on Xata, he's not going to believe he's wrong or think he's wrong given the comp. The support WAS there. He won't consider for a second that Xatalos is (1) breaking meta (2) or taking advantage of suboptimal townies. TLDR - he just could be dead wrong and is too damned stubborn to admit it

TLDR - possible town mentality is based in his stubbornness and his town tunnels are well known to be brutal, so what you are saying - yes again, meta, but I've given you multiple reference points - doesn't necessarily make him mafia. It just makes him ridiculously wrong. You haven't played enough games with him (and maybe that's a good thing? I digress) but this is what other players have cited.

On November 08 2015 13:23 sicklucker wrote:


=[ we lost

On November 09 2015 05:48 Half the Sky wrote:
I am here and I will be here until 11pm.

Back to filtering Rels.

Kita, I have a null to oh-so-slight townread on Superbia.

But Kita, other than me, who else are you scumreading?

On November 09 2015 07:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Yeh, I know deadline is a bit rough wanting to go to bed early. 2215 here. I think I might crash after deadline.

Shockey, what do you think about Superbia/Artanis in general? I know Artanis looked at you (IIRC) saying you "could" be scum for not having much reads and not wanting to give teammates away.

I know you are (were?) scumreading rayn but any developing thoughts on superbia or Artanis?

On November 09 2015 07:23 Half the Sky wrote:
In a world where Rels is town, does a Xatalos/Artanis/TBD team make sense? Food for thought and for future reference.

On November 09 2015 08:05 Half the Sky wrote:
So at least 2 if not all 3 scummers voted no to this. Might have been to disguise the likely scummer(s) on this team?

rayn's phase will be interesting.

On November 10 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dude, Vivax, i realize you just replaced into the game but could at least you refrain from posting dumbass shit before you have caught up? I don't care if it takes you 2 hours or 20 hours.

On November 10 2015 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am not sure how to say this nicely but when all 8 other players have no clue how you have ended up on the conclusions you have it's probably your problem instead of everyone else's.

So instead of calling me a fucking idiot you should probably try to play resistance.
If you don't know how to do that, well again... that's your problem.

On November 10 2015 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:






No, we would not know.
scummy scum.

On November 11 2015 00:10 kitaman27 wrote:


If you wanted the team to pass, why did you include that tid bit about how you would have looked bad by rejecting at the end?

On November 11 2015 00:46 sicklucker wrote:


BECAUSE HE DOESINT GIVE A SHIT

On November 11 2015 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Regardless of everything i am going to say if HtS and Shockeyy are both town, this town is never going to win this game. 100%.

On November 11 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

But you never actually said this until now. Also, the post about your changing townreads came a while before the deadline still so you had plenty of chance to change your mind. It also suggested that you didn't actually townread most people on the mission anymore; there were 3 people you didn't townread and you still voted yes. Why?

On November 11 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

So you voted yes on a team where you had two people mafia leaning, one null and one town.

And you wonder why people scumread you... why exactly?

On November 11 2015 02:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Oh okay, you seem to be resentful and taunting towards people that argue you're scum though. Also, aren't you playing to lose as town as well? You're unlikely to be taken onto any missions which, if you're town, means we need to get all five other townies on the last one.

On November 11 2015 02:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'd consider this taunting.

Also, I don't think trying to make you look bad would be something you need any help with. I'm actually not sure between you and rels.

On November 11 2015 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

..........

On November 11 2015 10:18 Half the Sky wrote:


Damn, don't give up. Take the information gained from this failure and work backwards. We're down, but we aren't out yet.

Good night.

On November 12 2015 09:46 Xatalos wrote:
Well, I guess I'll be going to sleep... Let's see if shockeyy proposes anything good, though I doubt it.

On November 13 2015 00:17 sicklucker wrote:


so you wanna talk to coag but not my 15 pages of spam im hurt

So what do you guys think of my diabolical plan of victory for whatever my alignment is

On November 14 2015 04:50 Half the Sky wrote:


You need to ask yourself why mafia are NOT trying to bury him (note: I'm not saying this makes you mafia) when he was on both failed missions.

I don't know if you are biased somewhat because of how rayn was treating/reading you earlier this game but if you ignore everything he has said and done towards you this game and focus on the way he was reading others, ask yourself if that come from a town or a mafia mindset.

(I realise Coag's inactivity isn't helping atm, but that is a separate issue.)

On November 17 2015 06:42 sicklucker wrote:


you cant log on once a day look at the team and vote yes or no?

On November 18 2015 08:03 sicklucker wrote:


? everyone and their mother knew lol