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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 01:53 sicklucker wrote:
are you guys talking about how hts knew the second mission would fail? everyone fucking knew that including me. LOOK AT THE VOTES IT WAS 7-2 . If its 7-2 all scum voted and its gonna pass. I also was working under the pretense that it was gonna fail not becuase im scum but it was fucking mathmaticly obvious
No it was mission 1.
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 06:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I thought you were trying to narrow it down for the entire thread rather than just yourself. If you don't provide any argumentation for why you're town, that doesn't really help.
It's not up to me to make an argument for why I'm town. That's for other people to decide. I can respond to points that people raise, but I'm not going to make a "why I'm town" post out of the blue.
On November 13 2015 06:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
As for my read on you: I do feel you've fallen off a bit in recent times. I liked you in the start but a combination of renewed insight on HtS/Shockeyy which were two scumreads that I now townread as well as your more recent posts have led me to change my opinion on you.
Specifics please.
On November 13 2015 06:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
As for your relationship to Xata: It's very plausible since you've pushed both Xata and SL at different points in the game, and you never had the awkward start that the Xata/Superbia slot had with one another. I just don't think there's any benefit to two scum interacting with each other in that way.
Could you explain what you mean when you say you "don't think there's any benefit to two scum interacting with each other in that way".
Sure, they had their back and forth, but they ended it on good terms afterwards. Xata was suggesting super for the day one team. Super never concluded scum on xata. I can bring up the quotes that suggest this if need be.
Yet on day one, I'm putting together a case about why HTS should not include Xata in her group and Xata straight up laughs several times my name is brought up, having me as his primary scum read the entire game. We're actually scum reading each other, while xata/super are fine with each other for the most part.
Why is there "no benefit" between the super/xata interaction, yet it is completely reasonable for the kita/xata interaction to be spy beneficial?
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 06:16 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
You don't just walk into TL and townread kita.
Especially when he pushes my slot who will start expelling massive townie bricks when I have more time for this game.
I just went a bit over Xatalos last pages and I like where his head is, actually. I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read. The last mafia is tricky but I'm leaning towards HTS. sicklucker and Kita have been at it at each other nearly all game. Why do you think (or am I misreading) they are double bussing? Are you sure those interactions are scum on scum? How do you know that Kita isn't doing the same thing to sicklucker that you claim he's (analogously) doing to you?
I think this is more than enough evidence that he hasn't looked at me in the slightest. If he honestly isn't familiar with my interaction with SL, yet concludes that SL and myself are buddies together, how can anyone possibly think that his read is legitimate?
He attacks me for the "meh I don't care" post an hour into the game and he attacks me for the "spammy" list thing I did last night, but completely ignores any analysis relevant to the events of the game.
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 07:19 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 07:07 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 06:16 Half the Sky wrote:On November 13 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
You don't just walk into TL and townread kita.
Especially when he pushes my slot who will start expelling massive townie bricks when I have more time for this game.
I just went a bit over Xatalos last pages and I like where his head is, actually. I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read. The last mafia is tricky but I'm leaning towards HTS. sicklucker and Kita have been at it at each other nearly all game. Why do you think (or am I misreading) they are double bussing? Are you sure those interactions are scum on scum? How do you know that Kita isn't doing the same thing to sicklucker that you claim he's (analogously) doing to you? I think this is more than enough evidence that he hasn't looked at me in the slightest. If he honestly isn't familiar with my interaction with SL, yet concludes that SL and myself are buddies together, how can anyone possibly think that his read is legitimate? He attacks me for the "meh I don't care" post an hour into the game and he attacks me for the "spammy" list thing I did last night, but completely ignores any analysis relevant to the events of the game. Kita Vivax has said he's not have had the time to play this game. He is probably going to have bad and/or suboptimal reads regardless of alignment. Why are you suggesting (if you are?) this could be mafia motivated?
On November 13 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read.
He has already stated that more time probably won't change his reads.
Vivax decided that he needed to push me as his spy read from the moment he entered the game.
In his first post, he states that I should be excluded because of "paranoia". He says he is not sure about me, but if the mission failed, he would take a closer look at me.
The mission did fail and he states that his read on me will stay as is. Well considering his initial read was "I don't know", his read becoming mafia is not "staying as it is".
There are two possibilities here:
1) He did indeed read my filter leading to my conclusion that I'm mafia
2) He did not read my filter, yet I go from a "I don't know" read to his scum read anyways
Considering he is clearly not familiar with my interaction with SL, then option one wouldn't be true. That's why I think it is option two. He doesn't take a real look at my filter, yet decides that I'm mafia. He brings up a list of generic talking points like "lack of interest", "setup talk", "hes good at scum", "your posts are spammy not helpful", but never bothers to confirm that what he is suggesting actually makes sense.
If Vivax concludes that the mafia team is kita + SL and states that his opinion is unlikely to change, don't you think that a town Vivax would actually read my filter first?
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Kita we need to talk, can you give me a summary entirely without quoting anything about why you think Rels is town?
Okey dokey. I'm about to leave work (I've already stayed an hour late as it is). I won't have much free time this evening, but I'll do my best to get a post in.
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 07:47 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Kita we need to talk, can you give me a summary entirely without quoting anything about why you think Rels is town? Okey dokey. I'm about to leave work (I've already stayed an hour late as it is). I won't have much free time this evening, but I'll do my best to get a post in.
Read my filter in the meantime if you can. It will take 15 minutes max I bet.
You're bringing up stuff that happened an hour into the game several times, while ignoring the remaining 250 hours. It's tough to discuss things if you are completely in the dark.
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Kita we need to talk, can you give me a summary entirely without quoting anything about why you think Rels is town?
He appears to be reading the thread, he is speaking logically, he is looking for contradictions and pushing them in the thread when he is ignored. Most of the stuff he has been saying makes sense. He has the opportunity to jump on shockeyy as the low hanging fruit, but chooses not to. In resistance, mafia are essentially forced to choose their scum reads based on process of elimination. Not going after someone like shockeyy when everyone else scum reads him seems townie.
He has the opportunity to align himself against Xata, but posts the filter length analysis that makes Xata look pretty decent. If I remember correctly, this was posted prior to the mission one failure meaning that he was making a player who is up for consideration look decent, while lessening his own chance of inclusion. This doesn't apply if it is Xata + Rels as the spy, but I thought the other stuff outweighed the exception.
He attacks rayn at several spots where rayn is widely seen as town, costing himself town cred. The safer option would be to sheep him there. His reads are frequently changing. He starts the game scum reading myself, rayn, and super. He then shifts to town reading us, while scum reading other players. He goes back and forth on certain players, which I feel is townie.
I haven't had the opportunity to look at the games HTS linked me yet. I will when I have more time.
Could I be wrong about Rels? Yeah, but that could apply to anyone. Right now I think he's town.
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 08:47 sicklucker wrote:
Anyway since hts thinks I somewhat have to justify myself being an obviuos town its my filter. If you ever want to tell the different between me town game and my mafia game just look at my filter. I have never had this big of a filter as mafia in like my 12 mafia games on tl...
22 pages as scum in Battle of the Drams
24 pages as scum in TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy
19 pages as scum in Void
meh filter length is null here
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 07:52 Vivax wrote:
you lack one thing so far even after team 2 failed and it's you pushing your favourite team like a lot of people are doing.
You are good at talking about things and around things but I don't really see you pushing anything concrete as your own preference when you should actually know that you can be more influent than what you are pulling off with all these summaries, setup talk, iterations and occasional questions about people you mildly townread (Rels).
That's not true though.
I posted that shockeyy should not include you in his nomination. I questioned shockeyy's logic for Artanis's inclusion because his voting record isn't any better than me or Rels and that was the reasoning he was providing. I posted a read on Rels with several examples of things that I felt looked townie. I shot down the faulty logic being used on HTS from Rels. I suggested Rels or myself as alternatives to you for nominations. There are plenty instances that show that I have a preference for the nominations.
Kita/Rels/HTS/Rayn is my preferred team. I'm not going to convince shockeyy to exclude himself, which is why I went with myself/Rels in place of Vivax. It would obviously be a challenge to get this to passed, but "compromising" isn't really the priority right now. We have five days to pass a team so my focus is getting the team I think has the best chance of passing. I'm still not sure about the scum trio, but right now I'd say something like
Vivax + Artanis + (SL/Xat)
If I were to consider a compromise, it might be the inclusion of shockeyy, but I'm not sure enough that he is town in place of artanis. We have 4 more days so it's not like I have to accept the first team nominated yet.
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 09:08 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 08:02 NocturneMage wrote:
Shockey's Nomination Phase - End
ShoCkeyy has nominated the following team for Mission 3:
(1) Shockey
(2) Vivax
(3) Half the Sky
(4) sicklucker
Please PM your votes to Fidei86 and Tictock.
You may switch your vote as often as you like, until the deadline.
Deadline is in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), 13 November. What was the team you wanted to make shockeyy...? At least I very much doubt there isn't scum in this team, with it including both SL/HTS.... The scumteam is probably SL/HTS/Rels at this point. SL even just for the first failed mission, HTS for just making really crappy reasons to scumread people (as noted by basically everyone who read her posts so far) and Rels for voting YES last team when he still scumread people on it.... I think shockeyy and kita just have to be town by PoE. So I think that's about it... Unfortunately Rels is next, but perhaps kita could be able to put up a decent team.
HTS + Rels? Could you elaborate?
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 09:11 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 09:03 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Kita we need to talk, can you give me a summary entirely without quoting anything about why you think Rels is town? He appears to be reading the thread, he is speaking logically, he is looking for contradictions and pushing them in the thread when he is ignored. Most of the stuff he has been saying makes sense. He has the opportunity to jump on shockeyy as the low hanging fruit, but chooses not to. In resistance, mafia are essentially forced to choose their scum reads based on process of elimination. Not going after someone like shockeyy when everyone else scum reads him seems townie. He has the opportunity to align himself against Xata, but posts the filter length analysis that makes Xata look pretty decent. If I remember correctly, this was posted prior to the mission one failure meaning that he was making a player who is up for consideration look decent, while lessening his own chance of inclusion. This doesn't apply if it is Xata + Rels as the spy, but I thought the other stuff outweighed the exception. He attacks rayn at several spots where rayn is widely seen as town, costing himself town cred. The safer option would be to sheep him there. His reads are frequently changing. He starts the game scum reading myself, rayn, and super. He then shifts to town reading us, while scum reading other players. He goes back and forth on certain players, which I feel is townie. I haven't had the opportunity to look at the games HTS linked me yet. I will when I have more time. Could I be wrong about Rels? Yeah, but that could apply to anyone. Right now I think he's town. Hm, what about his last vote?
Hmm?
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kitaman27
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Football time. Probably won't be back for 14 hours or so till morning.
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 23:33 Half the Sky wrote:
I was trying to look into Kitaman as well to be honest. Because the way it's looking right now, I might have been wrong here - Vivax is looking more town and Kita not so much.
That last thing by rayn shows something potentially fabricated by Kita and even if I cannot stand the former's way of working with people, his nitpickiness does ferret out key things like this.
You're really starting to become difficult to deal with, which is problematic considering that I want to town read you. Please lets not go through another Aperature 
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 22:27 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 08:04 Vivax wrote:
Actually I want to take this to a new level kita, cause just as I realized while checking if you posted any teams, I also realized there's little point in calling people mafia if you can't start pushing preferred teams and making compromises with others (which is what you have been lacking).
Mention a team of people you would accept being sent, cause there's little point in me just calling you mafia if what we're discussing isn't a team with you on it. Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 08:08 Vivax wrote:
Cause one particular thing about this game is that mafia has an easier time just creating scum combinations and being "whatevs" if anyone of the spies outside of that team makes it (cause then they will just vote yes with a short term justification whenever one of them makes it into the team).
Which is what you have been doing contrary to other people who actually propose teams of townreads, not scumreads. These are actually really good posts. (#2714/2715)
Why? They aren't even true statements.
He says I'm providing scum reads instead of town reads. Well first off, I'm directly stated that I think rayn and Rels are town and you can easily infer that I want myself nominated so there is no way to interpret that otherwise. When shockeyy was around, I directly addressed him three different times (requesting the removal of Vivax, questioning the inclusion of Artanis, and suggesting alternatives to form my prefered team). I've expressed multiple times my read on Rels. Secondly, of course I'm looking for scum reads. How is this possibly a bad thing? You can't have one without the other at this point.
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 16:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wait, I answered all your questions, you apparently didn't have any more yet now I'm basically confirmed scum to you? Explain yourself.
- You push suspicion on shockeyy when he questions Rels about the rayn read making a generic statement, rather than considering that he is simply trying to understand the discrepancy.
- You seem disinterested on day one, requiring people to actually pose questions to you on multiple occasions, rather than taking initiative. You don't provide much input at all regarding nominations on day one, despite your chart suggesting that you have a read on every player.
- Your interaction with Xatalos regarding the day one nomination is very scummy. He asks you directly if you are fine being excluded and you reply yes, stating that we're going to nominate four people next mission so it's not all that important. This is not a town mindset in my opinion. Since that group of three players had at least one spy, it suggests you were more concerned about not having the overlap with two spies in the first mission.
- After creating your chart, you town read sicklucker for being open and aggressive and pledge your support behind the day one team. However your chart shows that sicklucker has a single strong scum read on xatalos. When sicklucker drops the scum read on xatalos after he is included, you don't think anything of it.
- When it comes up your turn to suggest a nomination, you decide to throw it away by letting rayn talk you into excluding the player who you seem to have the strongest town read for. You say you suggested the team because you wanted it to fail to gain information. However, on day one when there was a large amount of information to be gained and less content in the thread to go by, you decided to pass the mission. Furthermore, there is little sense of concern about accidentally having the mission go through when you didn't want it to. The information gained from your nomination after it failed was negligible.
- When the same exact mission with rayn subbed out for yourself comes up, you provide very little input regarding how people should vote. You state that you didn't nominate the team of artanis/super/rayn/kita because you were still not sure about super. This doesn't really seem to change in the next 24 hours. However, when the rayn/rels/super/kita team comes up you vote no, but make little effort to make sure the mission doesn't pass. The no vote sets you up to look townie going into cycle three, while still allowing the vote to go through by staying quiet.
- After town reading me the entire game, you state that I should be excluded by cherry picking my post when I made the assumption that I'm town. Of course I'm going to assume I'm town. You then apply a process of elimination read by stating that Xata/Super cannot be scum buddies, therefore it is likely that Xata/Kita could be scum buddies. You state that the Xata/Super interaction has no benefit, but they both came out on good terms in the thread and Super earned a lot of town points based on the little spat they had. However, you fail to consider that the Xata/Kita interaction has very little actual benefit, by dismissing it as a bus of sorts.
- There are very few new ideas that you bring to the thread throughout the game. Most of your content is replying to ideas from other individuals. Most of the game you are playing passive and avoiding direct confrontations.
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kitaman27
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HTS, could you please summarize your thoughts on Rels similar to what I have done above. It's too difficult to wade through every back and forth post between you two. If you are actually town, either you need to convince me that Rels is mafia or I need to convince you that Rels is town for this game to be resolved.
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kitaman27
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On November 14 2015 01:03 JudgeJudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 02:43 Rels wrote:
Will have to reread Kita in case of failure, but assuming it confirms my townread on him, I think the team have to be one of this:
Arta / rayn / Vivax
Arta / rayn / Xata
Arta / Xata / Vivax
Basically, just don't ever pick those four players and we're OK. Rels, I'm trying to follow your read between SL and Xata. On post number #2147, you state that my analysis on SL is good, inferring that you still have a mafia read on him. However, you list rayn and xata as the individuals on your "do not pick" list. Now you seem to be back on the antagonize SL side of things based on your "BUSTED" post. Could you explain your thought process a bit more?
Gotta get in my daily mis-post.
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kitaman27
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On November 14 2015 01:03 Vivax wrote:
While thinking to myself that kita is probably 100 % scum for the 100th time, I also realized that SL went super aggressive on me with his shitty push about me voting yes to the team, but he didn't bitch about kita doing the same thing while scumreading my slot, yet they both keep bringing up how they can't be in a team together.
GET DUNKED
I've responded to you about Rels like you asked and posted about Artanis. What do you have to say about those?
Also, based on this post does that confirm that you've read my filter regarding my interaction with SL and still hold the conclusion that we are buddies?
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 16:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There really are too many scum players this game.
On November 13 2015 19:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
^
So your nomination term finally comes up, you forget about the deadline, and then when you return you can't even be bothered to post the team you intended to nomination....?
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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 14:59 Coagulation wrote:
your just assuming a whole bunch of stupid bullshit for no reason. Im here reading the game and Im perfectly capable of playing /hosting resistance and our making decisions without a fucking coin flip.
So do you've got anything for us yet?
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