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[T][M] Resistance V - Section 31

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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
October 27 2015 22:55 GMT
#4
/in
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
October 30 2015 14:25 GMT
#97
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 01 2015 23:59 GMT
#172
Hi everybody!

Penultimate leader checking in.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 01:16 GMT
#178
On November 02 2015 09:06 Xatalos wrote:
kita, did you get anything out of our furious exchange just now?


I'd say people stating that they are happy that they didn't roll mafia typically increases their chances of being mafia, though I don't know if that actually holds true.

Super stating that his read will be based on how you interact with others and you proceeding to go out of your way to interact with me could be interpreted as you trying to influence his views.

Neither of these points lead to more than a "meh"

Does anyone know if one faction typically wins more often than the other in a standard resistance setup or is it pretty close to 50/50? I'm not all that familiar with how the games usually play out myself. Right now I'm toying with a rng scenarios to see how they play out.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 01:45 GMT
#179
Hmm so assuming you are a resistance leader, if you include yourself and pick two other players at random you have a 36% chance of selecting a clean team. If you choose to select three players are random, the odds drop down to 18%. I'd hope our true odds of success are going to be better than this when we rely on a selection method other than rng, but this is just an example of the difference between the two strategies.

The reason I ran through these numbers was to decide whether or not we should enforce a policy that the leader cannot nominate themselves. Allowing the spy to nominate themselves gives them a free pass for a tainted group, while not allowing a self-nomination forces them to select a teammate.

I don't think the advantage of removing spy self-nominations would be worth the trade off of dropping the resistance leader success rate in half so I would encourage resistance leaders to not try anything fancy and exclude themselves. Do others agree?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 14:22 GMT
#376
On November 02 2015 15:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kitaman: Do you argee or disgree with the statement that if i am town the best play would be to reject the first three teams regardless of the first three player's alignments?


If everyone did that, then we would never be able to pass a mission so you can't publicly push that policy. Privately, I'd probably consider it in your position if there were legitimate reasons to distrust the first three, though not regardless of their alignments.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 14:46 GMT
#391
On November 02 2015 17:29 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 02 2015 09:06 Xatalos wrote:
kita, did you get anything out of our furious exchange just now?


I'd say people stating that they are happy that they didn't roll mafia typically increases their chances of being mafia, though I don't know if that actually holds true.

Super stating that his read will be based on how you interact with others and you proceeding to go out of your way to interact with me could be interpreted as you trying to influence his views.

Neither of these points lead to more than a "meh"

Does anyone know if one faction typically wins more often than the other in a standard resistance setup or is it pretty close to 50/50? I'm not all that familiar with how the games usually play out myself. Right now I'm toying with a rng scenarios to see how they play out.

Weird that it took kita 1 hour to answer this question, which was asked to him only a few minutes after his opening post.


Weird that you imply I was carefully crafting a response for 1 hour, rather than simply responding once I returned to read the thread. Though I do wonder to myself why a spy Rels would attack me for such a ticky tack point. I'd expect a spy to push something along the lines of "kita isn't contributing what I would expect from his town play", rather than trying to paint me in a bad light from the start.

On November 02 2015 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kitaman because he is talking about setup which is a big no-no in this game unless you are scum and want to give advice to your teammates, like "this is something i would not recommend to do".


Well the goal was indeed to give advice for my teammates. You don't need to automatically conclude that the advice was spy motivated. 36% success to 18% success is a significant drop off.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 14:47 GMT
#393
On November 02 2015 23:44 Half the Sky wrote:
I know you don't/can't play often, but I still have a decent memory of what to expect from a town Kita...and right now I'm not seeing a town Kita.


On November 02 2015 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd expect a spy to push something along the lines of "kita isn't contributing what I would expect from his town play", rather than trying to paint me in a bad light from the start.


lolol I swear I didn't read your response before posting this. 1 down! :D
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 14:55 GMT
#400
On November 02 2015 19:06 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i gotta get off for some time. I am starting to get angry at this.

No no no. Finish explaining yourself


Finish....Finnish...triple no. Noted.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 14:58 GMT
#403
On November 02 2015 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 02 2015 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kitaman because he is talking about setup which is a big no-no in this game unless you are scum and want to give advice to your teammates, like "this is something i would not recommend to do".


Well the goal was indeed to give advice for my teammates. You don't need to automatically conclude that the advice was spy motivated. 36% success to 18% success is a significant drop off.

The problem is that is actually bad advice.


rayn trying to trap me into talking about setup more.

NOT FALLING FOR IT!
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 15:07 GMT
#413
On November 02 2015 20:41 Superbia wrote:
2. It downplays scum.

2 is super weird from a town perspective, and leans me more towards mafia. Regardless I feel like commenting on how "weak" mafia is is mafia indicative as it sets up for a lax game.


This seems like quite the over analysis for an intro one-liner. There doesn't have to be spy motivation in every post. Why conclude that he is somehow pushing an agenda where it benefits him to trick town into thinking the spies will get steam rolled.

On November 02 2015 20:41 Superbia wrote:
I feel like if you were town and believed this you would've focused on the strength of town, rather than the weakness of mafia, and as a result, would've said something along the lines of "mafia gonna get #rekt #noqt" (or something less trolly)


Really a stretch here. More speculation without basis than anything.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 15:15 GMT
#419
On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did anyone actually look at the game and why i got mad there?


Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation.

yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right?


Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game.

Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia.


Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.".
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 15:21 GMT
#426
On November 02 2015 20:41 Superbia wrote:
Xat&rest- Xat's initial post set me off. Saying something like "this is a nightmare for scum" has two results (from writer POV):
1. It distances you from "scum".
2. It downplays scum.

1. Is NAI. 2 is super weird from a town perspective, and leans me more towards mafia. I feel like if you were town and believed this you would've focused on the strength of town, rather than the weakness of mafia, and as a result, would've said something along the lines of "mafia gonna get #rekt #noqt" (or something less trolly). Regardless I feel like commenting on how "weak" mafia is is mafia indicative as it sets up for a lax game.

Now I already had a very real suspicion that you knew that this set up is not a "nightmare" for scum, as you have played resistance(/avalon) before (noted by you correctly associating my merlin comment with avalon). So that double begs the question why you felt the need to point out that mafia was "weak".

I also understand that there is no resolving this situation regardless of your alignment. We can't talk this shit out- since it my suspicion and your possibly-innocent post. I am going, however, going to be suspicious of you. Unfairly? Maybe. But we'll see how your day plays out. So far I don't really like how you've been soft-pushing my push on you. But that may be biased of me.


@HTS what is your opinion on this post?

What is the purpose of returning to the thread with this over-explanation when he already admitted that the line of questioning was a dead end.

@rayn, you felt that his push on xat was town motivated when it occurred initially. I agreed with you at that time since pushing a player to generate discussion is generally town-motivated. However, do you feel this explanation is legit?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 15:40 GMT
#438
Who do you trust the most at this moment ShoCkeyy?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 16:08 GMT
#455
On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game


How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 16:11 GMT
#458
On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game


How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective?


Actually similar question for HTS regarding super. What about his play makes you think that he is town, rather than a mafia player who realizes the benefit of putting a player on the defensive early? Was there something in particular that stood out that was alignment indicative?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 16:20 GMT
#470
On November 03 2015 01:20 JudgeJudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 01:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 03 2015 01:17 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2015 01:02 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:
On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town?

I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before.


Hm... Who would replace rayn then?

In which team ? rayn could be town so I'm OK with him in a team; I would prefer you / Xata / me though.


So Xata twice on a team?...


For the record, I'm in favor of nominating Me, Myself & Irene.


Gah, stupid second browser login XD
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 16:56 GMT
#530
On November 03 2015 01:50 Half the Sky wrote:
not knowing what teams are going to pass makes this doubly difficult.


Whether or not you have thread support for your team to pass isn't all that relevant in my opinion. The margin for error is small enough that sacrificing a top three town read from your group to compromise with popular opinion isn't really a priority, especially with you picking from the first slot.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 16:59 GMT
#532
On November 03 2015 01:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 03 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think shockeyy is kinda scummy for trying to nail rels on changing his reads. Town changes their reads a lot more than scum does and is less careful in general.


There is practically zero chance he's getting on my team. What about Superbia/Rels/Xata/Kita or even myself? Any of the more actives?


That's fine, I'm not pushing to be on the team, I don't need to. I already know that what ever team I'm on, there is a 33% chance of it succeeding.


Why not push to be on a team? 18% chance of succeeding on a team you aren't part of, right?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 02 2015 17:00 GMT
#534
On November 03 2015 01:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 01:50 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2015 01:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone talk to me. I'm lonely

I liked kita's posts on Superbia. What do you think of them ?
I mean, if you even read the whole thread.

I skimmed through the thread. I'll check it out.


Which of my posts led you to the conclusion that I'm scummy if you didn't happen to read that one?
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