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On November 09 2015 23:23 Xatalos wrote: You lost me Artanis >.> And HTS.... There's just no basis for your push on me. You say I "TMI"d rayn when the team failed, but if you didn't miss it, I townread him pretty heavily from like the latter part of the first cycle already. Why would I drop the townread over SL after the failure? Granted, rayn is a bit more likely scum now, but I still don't think that's the case, and SL has looked worse after the failure IMO. By that same logic, rayn also still townreads me........ On November 09 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If SL is mafia, he downvoted a team that most likely has a mafia on it (since Rayn/Xata weren't on the team, he'd have to be with exactly HtS/Shockeyy for that not to be the case). Shockeyy also voted yes to the team which suggests that if he's mafia, there is a mafia on the team making that possibility even less likely. I'm not sure what's unclear about that. On November 10 2015 02:28 sicklucker wrote: probably because your ignoring the likelyhood they are all town Yeah, that's never going to be the case. I thought all three of you were pretty scummy. Given there's always at least one scum between Rayn/Xata/SL, it is fairly unlikely for there to be three scum in there. Also I like Vivax so far since he seems to be accusing people left and right, which he likes to do as town. On November 10 2015 07:10 kitaman27 wrote: Artanis, what do you think about HTS's post? (#2170) I think she explains both points well, but neither of them make sl town; they just make the points NAI. His posts can be interpreted in multiple ways, and sicklucker does like to talk about mafia strategy a lot as either alignment. I disagree that he's concerned about giving away information though, that's something I really haven't seen from him. On November 10 2015 08:20 sicklucker wrote: holy shit i might vote yes just to see if the scum team is like xata art +1 What happened to your plan of nayvoting everything until it's your turn? | ||
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On November 10 2015 18:58 Rels wrote: First, I'll explain my thinking, but I'll expect you to explain your Arta townread in return. Second, my read on you is really different from his read on me. I suspected you for something logical; and rescinded it when proven wrong. Artanis is not doing that; his vaguely saying "Rels seems to be posting without a direction", quotes two posts that apparently prove it, and then does nothing with it. It really looks like he decided I will be his scumread, then went ahead and decided why. Third, him nominating a team YOU proposed over what he thinks is scum indicative. You gave him the excuse of not thinking about anything and just roll out with it. He explains it with "Oh but I was doing a reaction test"; reaction test that didn't give him any result. About the "sure town" vs "maybe town" stuff, I think mafia!Arta doesn't care which townie goes with him, so that's NAI. To expand from town vs scum mentality, he threw away his nomination chance, when the next leader is you that he townreads, so that might be OK from his POV; but the next three are Shockey (a potential scum from his POV), me (a scumread) and SL (who said he would include me, a scumread, in his team). Him throwing his team away for a "reaction test" means he ditched his one of two chances to have a team he agrees with. If he's town, this doesn't make sense. If he's scum, he's either with you or SL; you because he wouldn't care about his team since you can probably get a team approved with yourself in it, or SL who has the last vote. I would expect him to convince people to vote NO today if he's scum with SL. Rayn is never mafia in this game. I don't think the way he raged at HtS and the game in general, then actually still coming back and playing the game again is something he'd do as scum. I also feel like the way he goes after people is very townraynish. He gets upset at people over using shitty logic and I don't think he fakes that kind of emotion. I'm actually not that sure on you anymore because as I mentioned earlier for some reason I had 3 scumreads outside the initial 3 and I think HtS is very likely scum. Shockeyy also seems likely to be scum, though his brash I don't really care about anything attitude does make me wonder. As you may have noticed, I don't actually have that much time. I've addressed my scumread on you plenty of times when I have been here. As Rayn observed, any team I would've submitted would've likely been nayvoted. SL already had his excuse ready to no-vote for a team with Rayn in it and another one (I think it was Shockeyy?) also had a scumread on Rayn so he would've had a reason to vote no as well. This way, at least we could get some information from the vote. I also elaborated on which information I got out of it in my exchange with Xatalos. As for Shockeyy/Rels/SL being the last there team nominations, I hadn't actually stopped to think and look into that yet honestly. I figured with 4 more nominations after mine we'd be fine either way really. Regarding the vote: I'm toying with the idea of voting yay for it. Reasons being that so many people already indicated they may vote yay that if there's a scum on the mission, it's probably going to get the go ahead anyway and the only chance it doesn't get accepted is if it's actually pure. | ||
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On November 10 2015 19:20 Vivax wrote: Why do you say this? I posted more townreads than suspects. Actually I phrased it wrongly. What I meant was that you're going in against town consensus right off the bat and doing your own thing, whereas as scum you're more privy to town sentiment in general. | ||
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On November 10 2015 23:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: These aren't my last posts. You obviously only quoted what you wanted to quote to just make yourself look good... As far as I can tell, I can only find these two other posts: On November 09 2015 07:32 ShoCkeyy wrote: I said yes. If the mission fails, there's definitely an Xata/Artanis chance. On November 09 2015 07:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: Reason why I say that is because I suggested this team a while back. Not voting yes will look bad on my end anyways, plus if Artanis is mafia, then it was an easy decision for him to insert into team. Neither of them really explain why you voted yes to the mission. | ||
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On November 10 2015 23:39 Xatalos wrote: The NO votes look good for you two, it's just not on the level of a confident townread. Kita for being so vague and non-committal throughout the game, and you because your recent scumgames looked pretty similar to this game too (very active and engaged..). Now that I think about it, though, scum HTS would have had no good reason to put scum Kita into the first team.... So that gives kita a bit more credibility at least. Uhh.. you're not townreading him because he's being active and engaged which he's done as scum? I'm not sure those are good parameters to go off of. | ||
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On November 10 2015 23:44 ShoCkeyy wrote: It says it there in that post exactly... Kita asked me what team would I rather see up. Artanis uses my list and nominates them. I vote yes because I said I would like to see this team go up. I started to lean to no towards the end. I kept my yes cause either way I knew people were going to vote no. But it doesn't really make sense since you throw hesitation on whether you townread me or not in that post, and from your earlier reads post, only Rels was on the mission. | ||
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On November 10 2015 23:57 ShoCkeyy wrote: It actually does make sense... I was town reading all of you when asked the question and I was still town reading all of the nominations when it was submitted. I stopped town reading everyone towards the end. I still voted yes because either way it was a team I didn't mind seeing. This is how I can tell none of you read anything and just skin shit. But you never actually said this until now. Also, the post about your changing townreads came a while before the deadline still so you had plenty of chance to change your mind. It also suggested that you didn't actually townread most people on the mission anymore; there were 3 people you didn't townread and you still voted yes. Why? On November 11 2015 00:03 kitaman27 wrote: Why do you say SL was more solidly townread? Of the people who accepted the mission: Xatalos - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL Half the Sky - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL raynpelikoneet - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL Artanis - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL Even if you include the rejects votes, there wasn't a huge amount of SL support. If anything, this points to a scum Xat wanting to bring along SL as the fall guy, not making a "ballsy move". You suggest that it is a point in his favor, but I'd say that it suggests he prioritizes self-inclusion over mission success. A few other people have already pointed this out, but I don't think this applies very well considering voting no unless he is included has the opposite effect. He doesn't have to worry about his teammate's inclusion at all if he can include himself. Do you draw any conclusions from your observations here? On November 11 2015 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is, if you have 5 townreads you by default have three scumreads. I am fucking sick of this game when people think they can get away with not giving scumreads, and dont realise its really easy for anyone to call 2-3 ppl town and then "idc about the rest". L2P resistance if you dont know whats wrong with everyone only giving townreads. I think he means that he had 4-5 people townreading and no one scumreading him on my chart. If that's anything to go by though, I should be confirmed town as well given everyone townread me in the start, which also never happens when I'm mafia. | ||
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On November 11 2015 02:14 ShoCkeyy wrote: I have two people who we're mafia leaning one that was null and one was town and I still voted yes because it was the original team I suggested as well, on top of it, if one of you sabotaged the mission, it obviously would of made my suspicions stronger. If it didn't fail, well then, good job town! So you voted yes on a team where you had two people mafia leaning, one null and one town. And you wonder why people scumread you... why exactly? | ||
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On November 11 2015 02:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: I don't wonder, I was just answering the questions. Also scum reading me won't do anything, it's like Rels said, I'm playing to lose if I was mafia. Oh okay, you seem to be resentful and taunting towards people that argue you're scum though. Also, aren't you playing to lose as town as well? You're unlikely to be taken onto any missions which, if you're town, means we need to get all five other townies on the last one. | ||
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On November 11 2015 01:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: I just don't care what rayn has to say about me. Big difference. At the end of the game you're all going to feel really shitty when I come out as town and realize rayn was mafia the whole game. I'd consider this taunting. Also, I don't think trying to make you look bad would be something you need any help with. I'm actually not sure between you and rels. | ||
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On November 11 2015 02:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: That's the point though, I'm trying to look like scum because what kind of scum would try to look like scum in the game to prove a point? Also this is for outside of game, how you been man? I would pm you but we're in this game so I don't want to get banned lol, but last time we talked was like 8 years ago in WCG Grand Final 07 if you remember Well, that could be exactly your plan, especially since you said it out loud. I'll shoot you a PM. There's no problem talking about out of game stuff as long as we don't talk about the game at all  | ||
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On November 11 2015 08:27 Half the Sky wrote: The autowin part is not entirely true, but for obvious reasons I won't go into detail. We'll see what happens in 24h, I should have some breathing room to play tomorrow. There's no reason for mafia to pass this mission then fail mission 3 when they'll just be identical if it passes anyway. If there's a spy on this mission he's going to fail it. | ||
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On November 11 2015 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don't actually mean that. I literally quoted someone else from another game. Nobody had a problem with a post like that there. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On November 11 2015 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + It's okay. I just don't like the fact that when i post something the same rules do not apply to me than to other people. Funnily enough HtS was one of the hosts in that game and i had been warned for something nearly not as bad before. The hosts had also said "the discussion about this stops now". After this, someone else uses those exact words to describe another player, nobody... absolutely nobody cares about that for a single bit. + Show Spoiler + Well, I wasn't in that game so I can't really judge on it. I just call out what I think is unacceptable when I see it. Had I been in that game, I might've said something myself. | ||
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On November 11 2015 20:38 Xatalos wrote: Well, let's see what happens with the mission. Even if probably 2+ scum voted YES, it could be WIFOM too... To avoid the revelation of the team or something? Meh, I guess a fail is more likely. Even if that happens, it would at least tell us quite a bit about the potential scumteams (kind of like solving a Mastermind puzzle  ).Probably not since if it is a 4-player scum-free team we'll just send it again two more times and win the game. Also, the 4th mission is pretty dumb once the 3-player mission fails since we can just send the same team of mission 3 +1 if it passes and mission 4 will always pass. Mind as well skip it | ||
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