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On November 06 2015 01:49 kitaman27 wrote:So rayn, I'm trying to understand your read on SL. Your two main points initially were 1) That he would bus as a spy. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:SL would bus (lol).  Basically as scum you want to look as town as possible and bussing is definitely not out of question, since you only need one scum onto a mission. If you, from the beginning, cut your own chances of getting to missions as scum, you basically just lose the game. And i still think SL would just bus. On November 04 2015 13:08 sicklucker wrote:
unless someone can come up with evidence that shockey knew votes would be revealed he should never ever ever be on a mission One of the first things he does was explain that your strongest mafia read shockeyy should never ever be on a mission. 2) That he doesn't have a scum agenda. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It basically has to do with me not seeing him playing towards anything.. ugh... idk it is hard to explain, i don't see him having scum agenda, or anything like that behind his posting. Same basically goes to sicklucker. On November 05 2015 09:10 sicklucker wrote:
like me not voting for ANY TEAM that does not include me On November 05 2015 09:46 sicklucker wrote:
like i would never put up a team that didnt include me On November 04 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote:
gonna veto any xatalos unless its like me and rayn On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me On November 05 2015 09:11 sicklucker wrote:
im in hero pick phrase. im cooler with xata now. Essentially his strategy this game is to veto any team that doesn't include himself, attack the players that suspect him, unless his mafia read actually nominates him, then he is fine with passing the team. Why isn't this a mafia agenda? The explanation that scummy people think SL is spy, therefore he is town doesn't mean a lot considering in the first quote you say how busing isn't out of the question because you only need one spy. Doesn't the reasoning you gave point to the opposite conclusion?
Yeah you are right, and i was most likely wrong.
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On November 07 2015 19:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 19:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted. Why do you suddenly think Rels is town? Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum. I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads. Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now. I mean like if you look at the things from my perspective: If i assume you are town (or from your perspective -- if you assume i am town), the Xatalos/rayn/SL team is probably the best mafia can get. I don't believe any of Rels/kitaman/Superbia is dumb enough to not realise that, given that the next two leaders are you and me. If the mission gets nay-voted, you will probably pick yourself (town), me (town) and someone else (possibly town). It just doesn't make any sense for any of them to downvote the mission (which is also accepted by townies). It doesn't even matter if the mafia is SL or Xatalos, if you wanna go down that road (that Xatalos is scum). Shockeyy has already proven he has no idea what he is doing anyways. And i highly doubt Xatalos, as scum, would pick two scum onto the mission, and i know, if i was scum, i would downvote the mission with 2 scum in it, because it is highly likely that none of the three people will get picked onte the next missions and suddenly you have 6 players where only one is mafia, and people won't even listen to you as you were on a mission that failed. It is just bad play to nominate 2 scum onto a mission, i know i am not mafia, so there has to be exactly 1 mafia on the mission. I agree that Kita and Superbia are likely town, ergo why I nominated them. I just don't think you can make it as clear cut as "they voted no so they're likely town". You establish reads during the game and if you yay-vote a team where you scumread 1-2 people on it, you're basically outing yourself. I don't think it clears him for that reason. I also don't think you can downvote the mission if you townread everyone on it. That just doesn't make any sense.
I know Rels scumread Superbia and HtS before the mission went on.
idk who was his third scumread at that time. Me? or SL?
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On November 07 2015 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 19:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted. Why do you suddenly think Rels is town? Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum. I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads. Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now. I mean like if you look at the things from my perspective: If i assume you are town (or from your perspective -- if you assume i am town), the Xatalos/rayn/SL team is probably the best mafia can get. I don't believe any of Rels/kitaman/Superbia is dumb enough to not realise that, given that the next two leaders are you and me. If the mission gets nay-voted, you will probably pick yourself (town), me (town) and someone else (possibly town). It just doesn't make any sense for any of them to downvote the mission (which is also accepted by townies). It doesn't even matter if the mafia is SL or Xatalos, if you wanna go down that road (that Xatalos is scum). Shockeyy has already proven he has no idea what he is doing anyways. And i highly doubt Xatalos, as scum, would pick two scum onto the mission, and i know, if i was scum, i would downvote the mission with 2 scum in it, because it is highly likely that none of the three people will get picked onte the next missions and suddenly you have 6 players where only one is mafia, and people won't even listen to you as you were on a mission that failed. It is just bad play to nominate 2 scum onto a mission, i know i am not mafia, so there has to be exactly 1 mafia on the mission. I agree that Kita and Superbia are likely town, ergo why I nominated them. I just don't think you can make it as clear cut as "they voted no so they're likely town". You establish reads during the game and if you yay-vote a team where you scumread 1-2 people on it, you're basically outing yourself. I don't think it clears him for that reason. I also don't think you can downvote the mission if you townread everyone on it. That just doesn't make any sense. I know Rels scumread Superbia and HtS before the mission went on. idk who was his third scumread at that time. Me? or SL?
He suspected both of you.
Also I can kind of understand why Rels said you were pushing for SL, though he is incorrect. You just said you were okay with the pick.
On November 05 2015 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well anyways i am not opposed to the sicklucker pick, maybe we will get some real voting going on.
On November 05 2015 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote:
Hmmm...
I guess I've felt slightly more comfortable with sicklucker over Artanis because it's more possible for Artanis to just "appear good" as scum (like his latest posts have seemed pretty good) rather than for sicklucker to just "indirectly" look townie like that. It's not a big difference really.
And isn't sicklucker pretty townread actually? On the other hand, there are suspicions on Superbia. Like I think Artanis showed suspicion earlier. Actually i think sicklucker is a pretty guud pick. If i assume my reads are even almost correct i wanna know what Rels does tomorrow if the team of me/you/SL passes the mission and Artanis (obviously) adds himself.
But yeah, not pushing it.
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Well tbh the scumteam of me/HtS/Superbia is so ridiculous to even come up with in the first place.
Like HtS starts the game by hard-townreading both of her scumbuddies and the whole scumteam is okay with her nominating the whole scumteam onto the mission.
"okay, makes sense"
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On November 07 2015 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 19:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 19:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted. Why do you suddenly think Rels is town? Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum. I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads. Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now. I mean like if you look at the things from my perspective: If i assume you are town (or from your perspective -- if you assume i am town), the Xatalos/rayn/SL team is probably the best mafia can get. I don't believe any of Rels/kitaman/Superbia is dumb enough to not realise that, given that the next two leaders are you and me. If the mission gets nay-voted, you will probably pick yourself (town), me (town) and someone else (possibly town). It just doesn't make any sense for any of them to downvote the mission (which is also accepted by townies). It doesn't even matter if the mafia is SL or Xatalos, if you wanna go down that road (that Xatalos is scum). Shockeyy has already proven he has no idea what he is doing anyways. And i highly doubt Xatalos, as scum, would pick two scum onto the mission, and i know, if i was scum, i would downvote the mission with 2 scum in it, because it is highly likely that none of the three people will get picked onte the next missions and suddenly you have 6 players where only one is mafia, and people won't even listen to you as you were on a mission that failed. It is just bad play to nominate 2 scum onto a mission, i know i am not mafia, so there has to be exactly 1 mafia on the mission. I agree that Kita and Superbia are likely town, ergo why I nominated them. I just don't think you can make it as clear cut as "they voted no so they're likely town". You establish reads during the game and if you yay-vote a team where you scumread 1-2 people on it, you're basically outing yourself. I don't think it clears him for that reason. I also don't think you can downvote the mission if you townread everyone on it. That just doesn't make any sense. I know Rels scumread Superbia and HtS before the mission went on. idk who was his third scumread at that time. Me? or SL? He suspected both of you. Also I can kind of understand why Rels said you were pushing for SL, though he is incorrect. You just said you were okay with the pick. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well anyways i am not opposed to the sicklucker pick, maybe we will get some real voting going on. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 05 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote:
Hmmm...
I guess I've felt slightly more comfortable with sicklucker over Artanis because it's more possible for Artanis to just "appear good" as scum (like his latest posts have seemed pretty good) rather than for sicklucker to just "indirectly" look townie like that. It's not a big difference really.
And isn't sicklucker pretty townread actually? On the other hand, there are suspicions on Superbia. Like I think Artanis showed suspicion earlier. Actually i think sicklucker is a pretty guud pick. If i assume my reads are even almost correct i wanna know what Rels does tomorrow if the team of me/you/SL passes the mission and Artanis (obviously) adds himself. But yeah, not pushing it.
I literally said "i would be more okay with Superbia (or even kita) in place of SL".
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On November 05 2015 06:55 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote:
Okay. I'm here. Gonna read through some stuff, play some isaac. Expect some comments later. Probably before deadline. Haven't made my mind up on team yet. First glance seems HtS is leaning town. Yet team feels iffy. Idk yet. This post. Who is iffy? What team was this again? Like you+hts+xat?
Yes, the team was HtS/me/Xatalos.
- You townread HtS.
- You townread me
- Now you said you also townread Xatalos at that time
So why was the team iffy at the time you made that post?
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On November 06 2015 01:04 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 06:30 Rels wrote:@rayn from your huge wall: On November 05 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The fact is, if you read Rels' posts in this light, there is literally way way way more things that are just plain out fucking scummy. Expand. On November 05 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Now the point of all this was a couple of things: - Rels; i didn't learn anything, although he called my logic "twisted", and i still don't know why. maybe he explains it someday, as there is nothing twisted in my logic. (i am pretty sure Xatalos & Artanis see what i was after here) - ShoCkeyy; i don't really care since he is scum anyways, but he thinks i am scum (regardless of what he tries to say -- he does), so why does he accept a team proposed by scum? Like.. if i was scum i would put a teammate there, obviously, i am not stupid. - regarding you, i wanted to push your reads out, because i was annoyed of you not giving any concrete reads. I know you would never agree to this regardless of who is mafia and regardless of your alignment. The thing that confuses me is that you kinda called me scummy for it, when there is literally no scum motivation for me to do that (i actually did a similar "anti-town" thing in Nuclear Winter mafia (which never had any anti-town motivation that anyone could explain) -- and caught Ace pants down on N1 ). Your logic is twisted because the goal of the game is to pass mission, not fail them. I clearly said there is a town motivation behind your proposal though. So I don't understand why I'm on that list ? Expand.
- Your read on ShoCkeyy is basically "he does scummy things so he is town"
- Your read on me at the start of the game
- Your push on Superbia
- You not considering kitaman scum, when there was really no reason to think he is town
- There are more things after you posted here, but they are irrelevant to this.
Basically all this is in my filter. Yet you are incapable of finding these things out on your own.
You were on the list because the proposal was literally towards you, kitaman and Shockeyy. I am not calling you scum for it. What the fuck are you even talking about? If i do a reaction test towards three people it's only natural i post what i learned ON THOSE THREE PEOPLE...... Like are you stupid or something?
On November 06 2015 01:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Rels, the fucking conversation you referred to is really fucking straight forward. Somehow you manage to not understand it at all.
This is why i don't answer stupid questions. I don't want to waste time on fucking bullshit that doesn't have anything to do with anything. THE POST I WAS REFERRING TO IS IN THE NESTED QUOTES AND IT WAS VERY FUCKING CLEAR WHERE I WAS REFERRING TO BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SAME FUCKING CONVERSATION.
You make easy things hard. Stop. No. You are either wrong or scum. You cannot think my scum game is PUSHING THREAD LEADERS. So if you're town, go reread my scum games and come back admitting you've made a mistake. If you're scum, feel free to do whatever.
Yes i can think think that. I also used to try to antagonize marv in every game i was scum in, just because i wanted to throw him off his game until he lynches me, until i stopped doing that. It's like... defending your actions that do not make any sense by saying "i wouldn't do that as scum" is really weak Rels. It is a fact you, at the start of the game, read me scum for something you weren't even sure is true (and it wasn't). That's not how townies usually operate. You don't "guess" if something (that can be proven) is true and call people scum for it. That is just stupid.
Furthermore you were trying to prove my meta wrong by using a game where you were a third faction. Because you were anti-town doesn't mean you were playing to your scum meta, especially when i fucking know you were LEGIT TRYING TO SCUMHUNT IN THAT GAME!!!!
On November 06 2015 01:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 06 2015 01:15 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Fucking easiest thing to find in kitaman's filter. On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:
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Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation. yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right? Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game. Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia. Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.". somehow you didn't manage to figure it out. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. You know as scum I push for the easy targets. You've played or hosted all the games I've been scum / 3P. So it makes no sense you would say this in response: On November 03 2015 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 18:16 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:
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Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.". Definitely could be the case given how the last game with Xatalos went. That was before the question ... so you really meant that. You know how I play as scum; I wouldn't try to win by making you ragequit / modkilled / whatever, 'cause that wouldn't be a win. This bothers me very much rayn. How could you think that. You scumread me (partly) for "Rels scumreads me for a dumb meta reason". You know what; I think this is a very dumb meta reason (me trying to make you ragequit). I have never called you mafia because of it. I am saying you could do that as scum, as kitaman was basically arguing the other way around. I don't give any fucks. You do scummy shit in this game. You are scum. One of the questions you didn't answer is "expand". So do it. The third is "why am I on a list on people failing the 'rayn's plan is scummy!' test when I said it was town motivated ?" The fourth is "do you really picture me and HTS scum together ?"
3) I said i failed to learn anything. Which means you didn't do anything scummy. I am a bit puzzled how you don't manage to read the post that way.... Like what do you think i meant?
4) Yes at that time i thought it was a possibility. I never said it is impossible for scum to bus. I said it is situational, and bussing at the start of the game is NOT a valid scum strategy (when you don't know how people's reads evolve -- who townies read as scum). However when YOU did scumread HtS there was already thread sentiment where some people thought HtS could be scum, so i don't find that impossible at all, especially when you YOURSELF say you would maybe bus as mafia.... Ironically now, you made a post on HtS where the reasoning for your scumread on her is exactly what i said days ago, yet you also scumread me.
Now can you stop asking retarded questions from me?
Also can you stop thinking HtS/rayn/Superbia is the scumteam because that's also retarded.
Can you stop being retarded if you are town?
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And i stand behind my words.
Unless people have really really strong townreads, nominating a three man scumteam (or even 2/3 scum) onto the first mission is better play by town than trying to nominate 3 man town team.
This game, the town is too fallen apart, regardless of who is scum. It is a fact.
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On November 07 2015 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people talk about stuff that never happened? Especially HtS.
I don't say things for the hell of it, rayn. Operative quotes.
On November 05 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 07:47 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, let's go with that. If SL appears worse by tomorrow, it can be turned over to Artanis anyway.
So the risk is really pretty small. All the scum ppl dont want sl so he is a good pick.
On November 05 2015 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Fuck you are so town sl.
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On November 07 2015 20:41 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people talk about stuff that never happened? Especially HtS. I don't say things for the hell of it, rayn. Operative quotes. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 05 2015 07:47 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, let's go with that. If SL appears worse by tomorrow, it can be turned over to Artanis anyway.
So the risk is really pretty small. All the scum ppl dont want sl so he is a good pick.
And how is this me pushing SL onto the mission?
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I'm also of the mentality this game is almost lost especially if Shockey is somehow town. My getting disregarded for missions means town are starting 5v3 (instead of 6v3) so that's where that is coming from. If he actually is town then it's 4v3. Even with my assumption that we have a scum Shockey is correct, considering the first mission failure and general (not total) reluctance to include any of the people from the first mission, mathematically we're almost done, though discouraged at the moment I'm not going to give up yet.
I was in the middle of reading rayn's filter when I collapsed in bed. As for the points I raised on rayn, I am NOT scumreading rayn, but when the first mission fails I want to make sure that we don't blindly go with a xata/rayn team and then fail mission 2. rayn, I know from history you never take well to being scumread, but that's really all that was trying to achieve. Kita is saying my first two points don't make rayn mafia - that's fine - but I'd rather have some discussion on that then blindly stumbling into the next team.
People seem to be scumreading me either because they are not clear on how I am playing this game, or in the case of Rels if he is somehow town, not familiar with how Resistance works.
Kita or whoever asked me about why I voted SL - I was 60/40 on him, and I certainly would have voted him over say Rels.
Alright, lemme just plod along here and see what I can do.
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On November 05 2015 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 02:24 Xatalos wrote:Hm... What's your opinion on the team while we're still both here, rayn? Is sicklucker the most likely to be town as the third option? Or do you think it's possible to locate the whole scumteam with enough accuracy at the moment for the other plan  Personally I'm not that confident atm... I would pick Superbia atm tbh. I think he's most likely to be town after you based on his latest posting.
On November 05 2015 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you considering sicklucker over Artanis? Is there a reason for you to believe Artanis could be scum?
Also you have to understand that even if me and you think sicklucker is town that doesn't really mean anything if the rest of the people downvote the team. It's just a wasted effort.
I am considering Artanis (or even kita -- based on what he / if he responds to me before deadline) just because Rels cannot downvote the team, and regardless of his affiliation it is a good thing assuming Artanis is town.
On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also you have to understand that even if me and you think sicklucker is town that doesn't really mean anything if the rest of the people downvote the team. It's just a wasted effort.
Like this is the main reason why i think HtS played really weirdly at the end of the first nomination. She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team. It makes very little sense. Like sure i could try to nominate sicklucker/Artanis/Superbia because i think they are all town. Does that team ever get picked? No. So why even do that?
You somehow just completely forgot about these posts right?
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On November 07 2015 08:55 kitaman27 wrote:
HTS could you go over why you had a town read on SL again? What do you think about SL's reads on Xata and Superbia?
Also, if you prefered Xata/rayn/artanis over Xata/rayn/SL why not simply reject the nomination? You knew Aratanis was the next mission leader, right?
Eh, hold on I forgot this part, that was the part I didn't have time to attend to last night, even though I thought SL satisfactory answered my own question.
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On November 07 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 05 2015 02:24 Xatalos wrote:Hm... What's your opinion on the team while we're still both here, rayn? Is sicklucker the most likely to be town as the third option? Or do you think it's possible to locate the whole scumteam with enough accuracy at the moment for the other plan Personally I'm not that confident atm... I would pick Superbia atm tbh. I think he's most likely to be town after you based on his latest posting. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you considering sicklucker over Artanis? Is there a reason for you to believe Artanis could be scum?
Also you have to understand that even if me and you think sicklucker is town that doesn't really mean anything if the rest of the people downvote the team. It's just a wasted effort.
I am considering Artanis (or even kita -- based on what he / if he responds to me before deadline) just because Rels cannot downvote the team, and regardless of his affiliation it is a good thing assuming Artanis is town. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 05 2015 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also you have to understand that even if me and you think sicklucker is town that doesn't really mean anything if the rest of the people downvote the team. It's just a wasted effort.
Like this is the main reason why i think HtS played really weirdly at the end of the first nomination. She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team. It makes very little sense. Like sure i could try to nominate sicklucker/Artanis/Superbia because i think they are all town. Does that team ever get picked? No. So why even do that? You somehow just completely forgot about these posts right?
Last two days I had a grand total of 1 hour (maybe a little extra) to play this game - it's very likely I didn't even get a chance to read/refresh these posts.
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Honestly I need to go through Xatalos anyways and what Kita said regarding SL is probably indicative, although SL is difficult for me to follow as either alignment unless I ask him 20 questions so meh...
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On November 07 2015 20:48 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 05 2015 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 05 2015 02:24 Xatalos wrote:Hm... What's your opinion on the team while we're still both here, rayn? Is sicklucker the most likely to be town as the third option? Or do you think it's possible to locate the whole scumteam with enough accuracy at the moment for the other plan Personally I'm not that confident atm... I would pick Superbia atm tbh. I think he's most likely to be town after you based on his latest posting. On November 05 2015 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you considering sicklucker over Artanis? Is there a reason for you to believe Artanis could be scum?
Also you have to understand that even if me and you think sicklucker is town that doesn't really mean anything if the rest of the people downvote the team. It's just a wasted effort.
I am considering Artanis (or even kita -- based on what he / if he responds to me before deadline) just because Rels cannot downvote the team, and regardless of his affiliation it is a good thing assuming Artanis is town. On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 05 2015 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also you have to understand that even if me and you think sicklucker is town that doesn't really mean anything if the rest of the people downvote the team. It's just a wasted effort.
Like this is the main reason why i think HtS played really weirdly at the end of the first nomination. She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team. It makes very little sense. Like sure i could try to nominate sicklucker/Artanis/Superbia because i think they are all town. Does that team ever get picked? No. So why even do that? You somehow just completely forgot about these posts right? Last two days I had a grand total of 1 hour (maybe a little extra) to play this game - it's very likely I didn't even get a chance to read/refresh these posts.
Then why are you posting shit before you read the thread?
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Like i literally can't understand the logic behind:
Before the mission result: "I think the team is all town but if it fails sicklucker is probably scum"
After the mission result: "Well NOW THAT THE MISSION FAILED time to re-evaluate all the three people"
It doesn't make any sense.
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Kita - at the moment, I think sicklucker upvoting the team (based on his read on Xatalos) looks to be suboptimal rather than spy play, but I'll take another look at your post.
On November 05 2015 09:43 sicklucker wrote:
like if xata picks the team i want (he did kinda) that proves to me i can probably trust him
On November 05 2015 09:45 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 09:10 Half the Sky wrote:On November 04 2015 20:35 sicklucker wrote:
Its also not me being biased the chart says were the top 3 towns more or less as no one scum reads us. I know you town read artanis so from your pov if your town submitting that team makes sense.
No one understands the logic of putting yourself in the team better then me but you also need that team to pass and its only attempt 2 of 5 so people are still very picky like me. Also if the said mission passes it would make a likely town circle of 4 people rather then 3 im not totally sure the mechanics but that seems like a good spot to be in. Hmmm somewhat dangerous sentiment if we might be collectively wrong on one player. Eh....could be reading too much into this. But in post 917, he says he's going to veto any Xatalos (I assume he infers on the team Xatalos being on the team). So how does he know or realise - from his own POV - he wouldn't submit a scumbuddy and then goes to say that it's a "likely" town circle of 4 instead of 3 when it's possible (again I bring this point up from before) that someone who passes a first mission who is spy can always fail a subsequent mission later. If he doesn't trust Xatalos on a team and then suggests Artanis wouldn't have the balls to fail it then he jumps to a likely town circle of 4 people.... ....it's quite illogical. Mafia motivated? Thoughts? IF XATA puts up 3 towns and the mission passes without putting up himself. this like 100% proves hes town and thats why I suggested he do it. kinda annoyed he didnt do it but other things suggest hes town so ill go with it. Xata town read all 3 of us so I was very curious if he would do it. its kind of suspect he didnt tbh but im town reading him on other things
On November 05 2015 09:46 sicklucker wrote:
like i would never put up a team that didnt include me so its hard to be mad at xata for it
On November 07 2015 11:09 sicklucker wrote:
and xata if you are the town here oyu realize when you say you want you and rayn on the next mission I have to suspect you. because from my pov I 100% know that mission wil fail. Like your willing to put rayn in the next mission even tho hes scum 50% of the time mathematically.
Like if your town your so stupid I dont want either of you on the next mission and theres no way you should.
Thats why xata is the scum here. HE WANTS RAYN ON THE MISSION
from xatas pov one of me or rayn is mafia. so rayn is mafia 50% of the time. and he wants rayn on the mission...
Like no one can have that good of a town read
The progression makes sense at least for the Xata read - need to review the Superbia read.
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On November 07 2015 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i literally can't understand the logic behind:
Before the mission result: "I think the team is all town but if it fails sicklucker is probably scum"
After the mission result: "Well NOW THAT THE MISSION FAILED time to re-evaluate all the three people"
It doesn't make any sense.
For the amount of games you've played on TL, it still surprises me you're completely oblivious to the fact that townies do illogical/suboptimal things from time to time.
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