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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 01:14 GMT
#1501
On November 07 2015 10:13 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 10:12 sicklucker wrote:
On November 07 2015 10:04 Xatalos wrote:
I think me and rayn should still go on the next mission... Who else were you considering, Artanis? I'm not really very confident on anyone being town atm besides being pretty confident on rayn...


no.... it will fail 100%...


Could you answer my earlier question?


what was it scum
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 07 2015 01:15 GMT
#1502
On November 07 2015 10:12 sicklucker wrote:
xata probably scum for considering that tbh. I dont expect to be on any missions anytime soon only scum would push that


Weren't you saying that you'd only accept missions you were a part of? Why give up now and not push to be on missions anymore..........
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 01:15 GMT
#1503
BECUASE I WAS ON A MISSION THAT JUST FAILED? LOL
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 07 2015 01:15 GMT
#1504
On November 07 2015 10:13 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 10:12 Xatalos wrote:
On November 07 2015 10:10 Rels wrote:
On November 07 2015 10:08 Xatalos wrote:
On November 07 2015 10:06 Rels wrote:
Another thing I didn't like, and he refused to comment on after being asked maybe 5 times: rayn put suspicions in both HTS and me in a short period of time.
On November 05 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 05 2015 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team.
It makes very little sense.


What would be the mafia motivation to suggest a team with a less optimal chance of success here?

If HtS is mafia it comes down to this:
1) the team of HtS/Xatalos/rayn gets yay'd; me and Xatalos have "almost definitely confirmed scum", which suddenly makes everything HtS says after that a possibility of a big fuckup. She also needs to argue why Xatalos is scum.
2) the team of HtS/kita/rayn gets yay'd; She can actually more conveniently argue that kitaman is scum, because other people think kitaman is scum aswell. She don't even really need to argue, she can just +1 on the points. (the contrary to (1) is that i am not 100% arguing against her)
3) the team of HtS/kita/rayn get's nay'd (which is very very likely in the first place); she doesn't out herself, and passes the turn onto someone else -- she "looks better" to you, which increases her possibilities of getting picked later on as she is "right".

Personally i see the scum motivation in (2) and (3) over (1). If i was at HtS' position i would definitely pick either (2) or (3) over the possibility (1), since regardless of who is scum in this game at that time (and even now) the town is not working very well together.

On November 05 2015 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't have much to say to your big post kita. I just disagree.
I suggest you go read Rels' scumgames to see what he is capable of:
Season of the Witch II[/ur]
Battle of Drams

Basically the cases he makes look "good" but they are boring. lol, i can't explain that better.
Like here Superbia and to some extent HtS are like furious and spit flames everywhere (like BM in SotW game) when getting into argument with Rels. Rels is just.. boring, and the reasoning is boring. And he makes conclusions that don't make any sense, at all.

And here is what he thinks about busing in this setup:
On November 05 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you read his filter, rayn always considers teams when he puts out suspicions. But there, he considers us both possible scums, when in his giant post he said that about busing:
The best way of playing Resistance, at least what i have figured out is to play the first cycle as you were playing mafia. What Rels said is completely untrue, just because if mafia does not look town they cannot bus, everything is situational. The way to play is to give out reads, town and scumreads. While townreads are "more important" here, the fact is that mafia doesn't want an all town team to go on a mission, that should be obvious. Now if scum are bussing, it hinders their changes of getting a mission where there is scum on it to go through, just because they have to downvote missions (unless they themselves are the scum there).

Now if mafia busses, and there happens to be a town leader, they might find themselves in a situation where they must accept an all town team, because otherwise they give themselves away. You can't just have three scumreads and when a mission goes up where all the people there are townread by you, you just can't say "i am nay-voting this team, because...".

So if doesn't think scum would bus this game; but he's considering HTS to be a possible scum, when he's convinced I'm scum. If both reads were light reads, that could explain it, as only one of them could be true in his mind; but rayn is convinced since pretty early in the game I am scum. This fact + his view on bussing should make him view HTS as town.


That's just unflipped association though? I don't think it should completely remove a scumread on either of you, even if it could maybe cause him think that you're not both scum together.

So SL is considered town because "all the scummy people don't want to vote for him"; but this consideration don't extend to HTS being pushed pretty hard by rayn's second hardest scumread after Shockey ?


Hah Well, I'll let rayn himself answer that one. Didn't he comment on your association with HTS anywhere?

He dodged that question several times.


Ok...? :D Keep asking then I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 07 2015 01:16 GMT
#1505
On November 07 2015 09:00 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 08:58 sicklucker wrote:
YOU ASS HATS IMA GET YOU


Could you explain how your read on me progressed throughout the game?


<<< SL
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 07 2015 01:16 GMT
#1506
On November 07 2015 10:13 sicklucker wrote:
only one im 100% sure is towni n this game is rels


Why?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 07 2015 01:17 GMT
#1507
Alright going to sleep. Hopefully I will think of some things during it.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 07 2015 01:18 GMT
#1508
On November 07 2015 10:15 sicklucker wrote:
BECUASE I WAS ON A MISSION THAT JUST FAILED? LOL


Why the heck would you, as town, think that it was your fault? >.> If you were town, you should be pushing for the other two, or at least one of them, to be excluded. That mindset is just... hard to imagine for town really.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 07 2015 01:23 GMT
#1509
Alright, I think I'll be going to sleep on this.... Gn
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 07 2015 01:37 GMT
#1510
On November 07 2015 10:09 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 08:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 06 2015 19:33 sicklucker wrote:
On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:
On November 06 2015 14:55 sicklucker wrote:
This "qeustion" so dumb I dont know what angle your trying to pull here but it does not make me scum.

Artanis/me/rayn is the team I wanted and xata is the team I got. I explained why I somewhat townread xata and was happy with voting.

The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said:
On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there..


On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes.


On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team


So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead.

Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum?



then i just dont understand english


I'll try to make it as simple as possible:

1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL
2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team
3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat

How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL?



ok i called it an all town team. I was suspicious of super


The reason you say you are suspicious of super isn't possible though. You called him scum because you say you thought he wanted to reject SL/rayn/artanis. You can't think he was referring to a SL/rayn/artanis team because he said he wanted Artanis instead of SL in the post you called him scum for. How can he want artanis in place of SL if they are both in the team you think he is referring to?

Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I talking to a wall?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 01:58 GMT
#1511
On November 07 2015 10:18 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 10:15 sicklucker wrote:
BECUASE I WAS ON A MISSION THAT JUST FAILED? LOL


Why the heck would you, as town, think that it was your fault? >.> If you were town, you should be pushing for the other two, or at least one of them, to be excluded. That mindset is just... hard to imagine for town really.


im not going to be like hey guys I know we just failed but can you send me on the next mission? because thats what you just said.. for you and rayn..

and I know im town so i know one of you are scum. so like you suggesting a mission I already know will fail makes you scum dog
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 02:04 GMT
#1512
kitaman the angle your pushing is pushed on me everygame EVERYGAME. I ignore it because its dumb and it does not make anyone scum. Its literraly a mix up of words. Even if I said it the way you want me to have said it that does not make me scum
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 02:06 GMT
#1513
I called super scum for calling the xata team would fail. My poor read on xata was evolving because he was putting me on the team (dumb mistake) I didnt think a scum xata would have the balls
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 02:09 GMT
#1514
and xata if you are the town here oyu realize when you say you want you and rayn on the next mission I have to suspect you. because from my pov I 100% know that mission wil fail. Like your willing to put rayn in the next mission even tho hes scum 50% of the time mathematically.

Like if your town your so stupid I dont want either of you on the next mission and theres no way you should.

Thats why xata is the scum here. HE WANTS RAYN ON THE MISSION

from xatas pov one of me or rayn is mafia. so rayn is mafia 50% of the time. and he wants rayn on the mission...

Like no one can have that good of a town read
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 02:11 GMT
#1515
acualy its way over 50% because we can both be scum
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 07 2015 02:35 GMT
#1516
On November 07 2015 10:37 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 10:09 sicklucker wrote:
On November 07 2015 08:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 06 2015 19:33 sicklucker wrote:
On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:
On November 06 2015 14:55 sicklucker wrote:
This "qeustion" so dumb I dont know what angle your trying to pull here but it does not make me scum.

Artanis/me/rayn is the team I wanted and xata is the team I got. I explained why I somewhat townread xata and was happy with voting.

The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said:
On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there..


On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes.


On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team


So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead.

Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum?



then i just dont understand english


I'll try to make it as simple as possible:

1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL
2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team
3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat

How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL?



ok i called it an all town team. I was suspicious of super


The reason you say you are suspicious of super isn't possible though. You called him scum because you say you thought he wanted to reject SL/rayn/artanis. You can't think he was referring to a SL/rayn/artanis team because he said he wanted Artanis instead of SL in the post you called him scum for. How can he want artanis in place of SL if they are both in the team you think he is referring to?

Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I talking to a wall?


Kita thoughts on me after the first mission?
Life?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 07 2015 03:30 GMT
#1517
On November 07 2015 11:06 sicklucker wrote:
I called super scum for calling the xata team would fail.


On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team


On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there..


These statements contradict each other.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 07 2015 03:31 GMT
#1518
On November 07 2015 11:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 10:37 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 07 2015 10:09 sicklucker wrote:
On November 07 2015 08:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 06 2015 19:33 sicklucker wrote:
On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:
On November 06 2015 14:55 sicklucker wrote:
This "qeustion" so dumb I dont know what angle your trying to pull here but it does not make me scum.

Artanis/me/rayn is the team I wanted and xata is the team I got. I explained why I somewhat townread xata and was happy with voting.

The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said:
On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there..


On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes.


On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team


So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead.

Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum?



then i just dont understand english


I'll try to make it as simple as possible:

1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL
2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team
3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat

How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL?



ok i called it an all town team. I was suspicious of super


The reason you say you are suspicious of super isn't possible though. You called him scum because you say you thought he wanted to reject SL/rayn/artanis. You can't think he was referring to a SL/rayn/artanis team because he said he wanted Artanis instead of SL in the post you called him scum for. How can he want artanis in place of SL if they are both in the team you think he is referring to?

Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I talking to a wall?


Kita thoughts on me after the first mission?


Town points for voting reject. I'd say you are still probably in my bottom four based on posting.

Who is your preferred team this cycle?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 07 2015 04:15 GMT
#1519
On November 07 2015 12:31 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 11:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 07 2015 10:37 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 07 2015 10:09 sicklucker wrote:
On November 07 2015 08:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 06 2015 19:33 sicklucker wrote:
On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:
On November 06 2015 14:55 sicklucker wrote:
This "qeustion" so dumb I dont know what angle your trying to pull here but it does not make me scum.

Artanis/me/rayn is the team I wanted and xata is the team I got. I explained why I somewhat townread xata and was happy with voting.

The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said:
On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there..


On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes.


On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team


So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead.

Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum?



then i just dont understand english


I'll try to make it as simple as possible:

1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL
2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team
3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat

How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL?



ok i called it an all town team. I was suspicious of super


The reason you say you are suspicious of super isn't possible though. You called him scum because you say you thought he wanted to reject SL/rayn/artanis. You can't think he was referring to a SL/rayn/artanis team because he said he wanted Artanis instead of SL in the post you called him scum for. How can he want artanis in place of SL if they are both in the team you think he is referring to?

Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I talking to a wall?


Kita thoughts on me after the first mission?


Town points for voting reject. I'd say you are still probably in my bottom four based on posting.

Who is your preferred team this cycle?


Rels, You, Super, Artanis. Obviously Xata, Rayn are out of the question. What are you thoughts about the past team now (Rayn, Xata and SL)?
Life?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 07 2015 09:28 GMT
#1520
Why do people talk about stuff that never happened? Especially HtS.
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