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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 09:29 GMT
#1521
I never pushed SL to be on the mission.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
November 07 2015 09:37 GMT
#1522
I'd like to hear Rayn/Xata/SL's thoughts on one another; who they think is likeliest to be scum and why.

As for my nominations, I think it's likely that only one of the three is scum which means there's 1/3 in there and 2/5 in the rest, so I'm likely to nominate 2 from that group and 1 from the rest. I already have a good idea of who I want to pick but I'd like to hear more from others first.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 09:43 GMT
#1523
sicklucker
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 09:46 GMT
#1524
The problem is, Artanis, that unless you are scum this game is not gonna be won by town.
Rels is probably town after all and so is kitaman, but Rels scumreads me and kitaman scumreads Xatalos and we were on a mission that failed so... This becomes even more hard if ShoCkeyy is town aswell, which i don't believe. But yeah, the game is pretty much lost so i don't really care.

HtS/sicklucker/Shockeyy is scum. Most likely.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
November 07 2015 09:50 GMT
#1525
On November 07 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is, Artanis, that unless you are scum this game is not gonna be won by town.
Rels is probably town after all and so is kitaman, but Rels scumreads me and kitaman scumreads Xatalos and we were on a mission that failed so... This becomes even more hard if ShoCkeyy is town aswell, which i don't believe. But yeah, the game is pretty much lost so i don't really care.

HtS/sicklucker/Shockeyy is scum. Most likely.

You're saying that is if you can't change their scumreads. Are you going to give up on the first hurdle? Is this the Town Rayn that I know and love? You're not going to fight to prove that you're town?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 09:50 GMT
#1526
I suggest you pick yourself, Rels, kitaman and Superbia.
It will get nay-voted anyways but meh.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 09:51 GMT
#1527
On November 07 2015 18:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is, Artanis, that unless you are scum this game is not gonna be won by town.
Rels is probably town after all and so is kitaman, but Rels scumreads me and kitaman scumreads Xatalos and we were on a mission that failed so... This becomes even more hard if ShoCkeyy is town aswell, which i don't believe. But yeah, the game is pretty much lost so i don't really care.

HtS/sicklucker/Shockeyy is scum. Most likely.

You're saying that is if you can't change their scumreads. Are you going to give up on the first hurdle? Is this the Town Rayn that I know and love? You're not going to fight to prove that you're town?

Not really no. I don't care to argue about stuff that can be easily found in my filter. If that is the reason for scumreading me then fine. I'll let them scumread me. I don't care, i have better things to do than repeat what i have already said.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
November 07 2015 09:52 GMT
#1528
On November 07 2015 18:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 18:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 07 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is, Artanis, that unless you are scum this game is not gonna be won by town.
Rels is probably town after all and so is kitaman, but Rels scumreads me and kitaman scumreads Xatalos and we were on a mission that failed so... This becomes even more hard if ShoCkeyy is town aswell, which i don't believe. But yeah, the game is pretty much lost so i don't really care.

HtS/sicklucker/Shockeyy is scum. Most likely.

You're saying that is if you can't change their scumreads. Are you going to give up on the first hurdle? Is this the Town Rayn that I know and love? You're not going to fight to prove that you're town?

Not really no. I don't care to argue about stuff that can be easily found in my filter. If that is the reason for scumreading me then fine. I'll let them scumread me. I don't care, i have better things to do than repeat what i have already said.

You realize that by doing stuff it can overcome whatever it is they're scumreading you for right? Don't be like this, Rayn. Please
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 09:56 GMT
#1529
I don't know, there is pretty much nothing to do atm.

I can't convince people better that Shockeyy is scum. I've said all i have about that, if people disagree because "he does scummy stuff & stuff that doesn't make any sense so he is town" i can't argue against that lol.

HtS and Rels are saying "rayn pushed a team with sicklucker so maybe he is scum because he wanted someone to blame in the team"... I didn't, i actually preferred Superbia or even kitaman in the team over sicklucker, i said that very clearly. Me being okay with sicklucker in the team does not mean i PUSHED it (and why wouldn't i be okay with him in the team, i read him town there).

I know exactly why you yay'd the team, i did for the same reason.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
November 07 2015 09:57 GMT
#1530
I have an idea.
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Kitaman27, Raynpelikoneet, Superbia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 09:57 GMT
#1531
Like if people can't even read the fucking thread then i don't really care to talk with them. Dealwithit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 09:58 GMT
#1532
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
November 07 2015 09:59 GMT
#1533
On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted.

Why do you suddenly think Rels is town?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 10:00 GMT
#1534
On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted.

Why do you suddenly think Rels is town?

Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
November 07 2015 10:04 GMT
#1535
On November 07 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted.

Why do you suddenly think Rels is town?

Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum.

I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads.

Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
November 07 2015 10:05 GMT
#1536
Yeah Rels had been suspicious of SL a lot already so there was no way he could vote yes to the mission.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
November 07 2015 10:10 GMT
#1537
On November 07 2015 09:52 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 09:45 Xatalos wrote:
On November 07 2015 09:16 Rels wrote:
On November 07 2015 08:00 Fidei86 wrote:
!!! MISSION FAILED !!!
1 Sabotage action detected.

Day 2
Artanis[Xp]'s Nomination Phase

Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 7 November 2015.

Alright then we have at least one scum in Xata / rayn / SL. Then I think we have at the very least 2 scums in Xata / rayn / SL / HTS / Arta, maybe 3.


I think that's a reasonable assumption... But rayn is most likely town, so I guess that would mean HTS, Artanis and SL would be scum? Kind of hard to see at least Artanis being scum, HTS maybe. So I'd guess there are 1+ scum hiding in the NO votes as well.

Don't know, I'm kinda re evaluating everything here. The obvious answer to me is "rayn is scum, SL is town, rayn put SL to blame him when the team fails." Then at least HTS or Arta with him, maybe both.
But SL is not obvious town either, so I'm not sure. And let's not forget YOU are the one that nominated the failing team. If you're scum, that would mean you broke your meta, but that's possible.

Okay, hold up, timeline:
1. Rels considered SL scummy.
2. Rels started considering Rayn scummy.
3. Rels still considered SL scummy.
4. Mission fails.
5. Rels considers SL obvious town because he's being set up by Rayn.
What happened between 3 and 5 that made you think it's MORE likely for SL to be town after the mission fails?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 10:12 GMT
#1538
On November 07 2015 19:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted.

Why do you suddenly think Rels is town?

Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum.

I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads.

Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now.

I mean like if you look at the things from my perspective:
If i assume you are town (or from your perspective -- if you assume i am town), the Xatalos/rayn/SL team is probably the best mafia can get. I don't believe any of Rels/kitaman/Superbia is dumb enough to not realise that, given that the next two leaders are you and me.

If the mission gets nay-voted, you will probably pick yourself (town), me (town) and someone else (possibly town).

It just doesn't make any sense for any of them to downvote the mission (which is also accepted by townies). It doesn't even matter if the mafia is SL or Xatalos, if you wanna go down that road (that Xatalos is scum).

Shockeyy has already proven he has no idea what he is doing anyways. And i highly doubt Xatalos, as scum, would pick two scum onto the mission, and i know, if i was scum, i would downvote the mission with 2 scum in it, because it is highly likely that none of the three people will get picked onte the next missions and suddenly you have 6 players where only one is mafia, and people won't even listen to you as you were on a mission that failed. It is just bad play to nominate 2 scum onto a mission, i know i am not mafia, so there has to be exactly 1 mafia on the mission.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 10:12 GMT
#1539
On November 07 2015 19:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 09:52 Rels wrote:
On November 07 2015 09:45 Xatalos wrote:
On November 07 2015 09:16 Rels wrote:
On November 07 2015 08:00 Fidei86 wrote:
!!! MISSION FAILED !!!
1 Sabotage action detected.

Day 2
Artanis[Xp]'s Nomination Phase

Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 7 November 2015.

Alright then we have at least one scum in Xata / rayn / SL. Then I think we have at the very least 2 scums in Xata / rayn / SL / HTS / Arta, maybe 3.


I think that's a reasonable assumption... But rayn is most likely town, so I guess that would mean HTS, Artanis and SL would be scum? Kind of hard to see at least Artanis being scum, HTS maybe. So I'd guess there are 1+ scum hiding in the NO votes as well.

Don't know, I'm kinda re evaluating everything here. The obvious answer to me is "rayn is scum, SL is town, rayn put SL to blame him when the team fails." Then at least HTS or Arta with him, maybe both.
But SL is not obvious town either, so I'm not sure. And let's not forget YOU are the one that nominated the failing team. If you're scum, that would mean you broke your meta, but that's possible.

Okay, hold up, timeline:
1. Rels considered SL scummy.
2. Rels started considering Rayn scummy.
3. Rels still considered SL scummy.
4. Mission fails.
5. Rels considers SL obvious town because he's being set up by Rayn.
What happened between 3 and 5 that made you think it's MORE likely for SL to be town after the mission fails?

The problem here is i never "pushed SL to be on the mission"....
I never ever did that.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
November 07 2015 10:15 GMT
#1540
On November 07 2015 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 19:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 07 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted.

Why do you suddenly think Rels is town?

Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum.

I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads.

Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now.

I mean like if you look at the things from my perspective:
If i assume you are town (or from your perspective -- if you assume i am town), the Xatalos/rayn/SL team is probably the best mafia can get. I don't believe any of Rels/kitaman/Superbia is dumb enough to not realise that, given that the next two leaders are you and me.

If the mission gets nay-voted, you will probably pick yourself (town), me (town) and someone else (possibly town).

It just doesn't make any sense for any of them to downvote the mission (which is also accepted by townies). It doesn't even matter if the mafia is SL or Xatalos, if you wanna go down that road (that Xatalos is scum).

Shockeyy has already proven he has no idea what he is doing anyways. And i highly doubt Xatalos, as scum, would pick two scum onto the mission, and i know, if i was scum, i would downvote the mission with 2 scum in it, because it is highly likely that none of the three people will get picked onte the next missions and suddenly you have 6 players where only one is mafia, and people won't even listen to you as you were on a mission that failed. It is just bad play to nominate 2 scum onto a mission, i know i am not mafia, so there has to be exactly 1 mafia on the mission.

I agree that Kita and Superbia are likely town, ergo why I nominated them. I just don't think you can make it as clear cut as "they voted no so they're likely town". You establish reads during the game and if you yay-vote a team where you scumread 1-2 people on it, you're basically outing yourself. I don't think it clears him for that reason.

I also don't think you can downvote the mission if you townread everyone on it. That just doesn't make any sense.
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