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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 07 2015 12:05 GMT
#1561
On November 07 2015 21:04 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i literally can't understand the logic behind:
Before the mission result: "I think the team is all town but if it fails sicklucker is probably scum"
After the mission result: "Well NOW THAT THE MISSION FAILED time to re-evaluate all the three people"

It doesn't make any sense.


For the amount of games you've played on TL, it still surprises me you're completely oblivious to the fact that townies do illogical/suboptimal things from time to time.

So your explanation for doing illogical things is that "townies do illogical things"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 07 2015 12:06 GMT
#1562
It's very hard to argue about anything in this game when the explanation for scummy things is "people who do scummy things are town". Which is why my caring is really low atm.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 07 2015 12:09 GMT
#1563
On November 07 2015 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 21:04 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 07 2015 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i literally can't understand the logic behind:
Before the mission result: "I think the team is all town but if it fails sicklucker is probably scum"
After the mission result: "Well NOW THAT THE MISSION FAILED time to re-evaluate all the three people"

It doesn't make any sense.


For the amount of games you've played on TL, it still surprises me you're completely oblivious to the fact that townies do illogical/suboptimal things from time to time.

So your explanation for doing illogical things is that "townies do illogical things"?


Not all the time, but I'm saying it happens, and looking at my filter it should be pretty damn obvious context-wise as to why I'm playing suboptimally. If you want to dismiss that, that's on you. Honestly if this were a lynch game, my getting lynched would tell you something just as what happened when the first two people in Drams got mislynched and you nearly went off the deep end - to use an example coolTLname being very new to our way of doing mafia.

Context, which you habitually disregard - no it doesn't make you mafia but this is just something that is characteristic of your gameplay in general.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 07 2015 12:10 GMT
#1564
Not everyone sees (or is able to see) things the way you always do, that's really the point of that. Anyways, onward.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 07 2015 12:17 GMT
#1565
On November 07 2015 21:09 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2015 21:04 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 07 2015 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i literally can't understand the logic behind:
Before the mission result: "I think the team is all town but if it fails sicklucker is probably scum"
After the mission result: "Well NOW THAT THE MISSION FAILED time to re-evaluate all the three people"

It doesn't make any sense.


For the amount of games you've played on TL, it still surprises me you're completely oblivious to the fact that townies do illogical/suboptimal things from time to time.

So your explanation for doing illogical things is that "townies do illogical things"?


Not all the time, but I'm saying it happens, and looking at my filter it should be pretty damn obvious context-wise as to why I'm playing suboptimally. If you want to dismiss that, that's on you. Honestly if this were a lynch game, my getting lynched would tell you something just as what happened when the first two people in Drams got mislynched and you nearly went off the deep end - to use an example coolTLname being very new to our way of doing mafia.

Context, which you habitually disregard - no it doesn't make you mafia but this is just something that is characteristic of your gameplay in general.

The thing is scummy things are scummy. If a townie does scummy things it is their fault. In the last resistance game i played a townie nomninated a team they should know (by their own poe they pointed out) that there is scum in that team. I was a clear proof that "they are scum". Obviously townies fuck up sometimes, because they are bad.

I don't care if i lose the game because of townie's bad play. But i will never townread a player who does scummy things, unless it is (almost) imppossible they are mafia, never. Just because someone has done that before as town doesn't make it townie in this game.

The problem with resistance is that you don't actually lynch people. And you need people to vote a townie team. Therefore it's even more important that people actually think what they do post before they do.

You and Shockeyy do scummy/illogical things. Therefore you are most likely mafia. If you are town, YOU fucked up, not me. But unless something changes drastically, i think the scumteam is you/Shockeyy/sicklucker.

I think that's the most logical explanation votewise, and behaviorwise. If you and/or shockeyy are town, and by that i am gonna lose to scum!Rels, so be it, but i can't scumread him because it doesn't make sense, you two being mafia makes more sense.

Feel free to prove me wrong.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 07 2015 12:19 GMT
#1566
For the record, regarding Battle of the Drams, i would lynch both of coolTLname and JRoc 100 times out of 100 if they did the same thing again. I would, in any game, lynch anyone who does that, always.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 07 2015 12:22 GMT
#1567
On November 07 2015 08:22 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 19:33 sicklucker wrote:
On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:
On November 06 2015 14:55 sicklucker wrote:
This "qeustion" so dumb I dont know what angle your trying to pull here but it does not make me scum.

Artanis/me/rayn is the team I wanted and xata is the team I got. I explained why I somewhat townread xata and was happy with voting.

The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said:
On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there..


On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes.


On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team


So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead.

Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum?



then i just dont understand english


I'll try to make it as simple as possible:

1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL
2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team
3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat

How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL?



Kita, I'm assuming this is the post you are calling into question on SL's read on Superbia. For reference.

Back to the filter...

The "I don't understand English" is something I'm willing to believe, it was either in Drams or another game SL confirmed he was from Quebec and his English wasn't great.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 07 2015 12:24 GMT
#1568
On November 07 2015 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 21:09 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 07 2015 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2015 21:04 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 07 2015 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i literally can't understand the logic behind:
Before the mission result: "I think the team is all town but if it fails sicklucker is probably scum"
After the mission result: "Well NOW THAT THE MISSION FAILED time to re-evaluate all the three people"

It doesn't make any sense.


For the amount of games you've played on TL, it still surprises me you're completely oblivious to the fact that townies do illogical/suboptimal things from time to time.

So your explanation for doing illogical things is that "townies do illogical things"?


Not all the time, but I'm saying it happens, and looking at my filter it should be pretty damn obvious context-wise as to why I'm playing suboptimally. If you want to dismiss that, that's on you. Honestly if this were a lynch game, my getting lynched would tell you something just as what happened when the first two people in Drams got mislynched and you nearly went off the deep end - to use an example coolTLname being very new to our way of doing mafia.

Context, which you habitually disregard - no it doesn't make you mafia but this is just something that is characteristic of your gameplay in general.

The thing is scummy things are scummy. If a townie does scummy things it is their fault. In the last resistance game i played a townie nomninated a team they should know (by their own poe they pointed out) that there is scum in that team. I was a clear proof that "they are scum". Obviously townies fuck up sometimes, because they are bad.

I don't care if i lose the game because of townie's bad play. But i will never townread a player who does scummy things, unless it is (almost) imppossible they are mafia, never. Just because someone has done that before as town doesn't make it townie in this game.

The problem with resistance is that you don't actually lynch people. And you need people to vote a townie team. Therefore it's even more important that people actually think what they do post before they do.

You and Shockeyy do scummy/illogical things. Therefore you are most likely mafia. If you are town, YOU fucked up, not me. But unless something changes drastically, i think the scumteam is you/Shockeyy/sicklucker.

I think that's the most logical explanation votewise, and behaviorwise. If you and/or shockeyy are town, and by that i am gonna lose to scum!Rels, so be it, but i can't scumread him because it doesn't make sense, you two being mafia makes more sense.

Feel free to prove me wrong.


Welp, then with that mentality don't complain if we lose really. You aren't one to work really well with people so I'm not surprised by this reaction.

I mean I'll keep plowing about since you are only 1 of nine players, but your attitude really isn't helping this game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 07 2015 12:26 GMT
#1569
On November 07 2015 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record, regarding Battle of the Drams, i would lynch both of coolTLname and JRoc 100 times out of 100 if they did the same thing again. I would, in any game, lynch anyone who does that, always.


JRoc in that game was lynchbaity, but there were several lining in defence of coolTLname in that game, and there were pretty good reasons why despite his seemingly scummy gameplay.

Anyways, I'll stop talking to walls.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 07 2015 12:26 GMT
#1570
On November 07 2015 21:24 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2015 21:09 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 07 2015 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2015 21:04 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 07 2015 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i literally can't understand the logic behind:
Before the mission result: "I think the team is all town but if it fails sicklucker is probably scum"
After the mission result: "Well NOW THAT THE MISSION FAILED time to re-evaluate all the three people"

It doesn't make any sense.


For the amount of games you've played on TL, it still surprises me you're completely oblivious to the fact that townies do illogical/suboptimal things from time to time.

So your explanation for doing illogical things is that "townies do illogical things"?


Not all the time, but I'm saying it happens, and looking at my filter it should be pretty damn obvious context-wise as to why I'm playing suboptimally. If you want to dismiss that, that's on you. Honestly if this were a lynch game, my getting lynched would tell you something just as what happened when the first two people in Drams got mislynched and you nearly went off the deep end - to use an example coolTLname being very new to our way of doing mafia.

Context, which you habitually disregard - no it doesn't make you mafia but this is just something that is characteristic of your gameplay in general.

The thing is scummy things are scummy. If a townie does scummy things it is their fault. In the last resistance game i played a townie nomninated a team they should know (by their own poe they pointed out) that there is scum in that team. I was a clear proof that "they are scum". Obviously townies fuck up sometimes, because they are bad.

I don't care if i lose the game because of townie's bad play. But i will never townread a player who does scummy things, unless it is (almost) imppossible they are mafia, never. Just because someone has done that before as town doesn't make it townie in this game.

The problem with resistance is that you don't actually lynch people. And you need people to vote a townie team. Therefore it's even more important that people actually think what they do post before they do.

You and Shockeyy do scummy/illogical things. Therefore you are most likely mafia. If you are town, YOU fucked up, not me. But unless something changes drastically, i think the scumteam is you/Shockeyy/sicklucker.

I think that's the most logical explanation votewise, and behaviorwise. If you and/or shockeyy are town, and by that i am gonna lose to scum!Rels, so be it, but i can't scumread him because it doesn't make sense, you two being mafia makes more sense.

Feel free to prove me wrong.


Welp, then with that mentality don't complain if we lose really. You aren't one to work really well with people so I'm not surprised by this reaction.

I mean I'll keep plowing about since you are only 1 of nine players, but your attitude really isn't helping this game.

...says the person who decided to post shit before even figuring out if she is wrong or right in what she claims.

And MY attitude "is not helping the town". Right.
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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 12:32 GMT
#1571
On November 07 2015 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker


what?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 12:32 GMT
#1572
On November 07 2015 18:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to hear Rayn/Xata/SL's thoughts on one another; who they think is likeliest to be scum and why.

As for my nominations, I think it's likely that only one of the three is scum which means there's 1/3 in there and 2/5 in the rest, so I'm likely to nominate 2 from that group and 1 from the rest. I already have a good idea of who I want to pick but I'd like to hear more from others first.


what?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 12:35 GMT
#1573
On November 07 2015 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I have an idea.
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Kitaman27, Raynpelikoneet, Superbia


a little more reasonable.. But no rels? really?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 12:36 GMT
#1574
On November 07 2015 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 19:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 07 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted.

Why do you suddenly think Rels is town?

Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum.

I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads.

Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now.

I mean like if you look at the things from my perspective:
If i assume you are town (or from your perspective -- if you assume i am town), the Xatalos/rayn/SL team is probably the best mafia can get. I don't believe any of Rels/kitaman/Superbia is dumb enough to not realise that, given that the next two leaders are you and me.

If the mission gets nay-voted, you will probably pick yourself (town), me (town) and someone else (possibly town).

It just doesn't make any sense for any of them to downvote the mission (which is also accepted by townies). It doesn't even matter if the mafia is SL or Xatalos, if you wanna go down that road (that Xatalos is scum).

Shockeyy has already proven he has no idea what he is doing anyways. And i highly doubt Xatalos, as scum, would pick two scum onto the mission, and i know, if i was scum, i would downvote the mission with 2 scum in it, because it is highly likely that none of the three people will get picked onte the next missions and suddenly you have 6 players where only one is mafia, and people won't even listen to you as you were on a mission that failed. It is just bad play to nominate 2 scum onto a mission, i know i am not mafia, so there has to be exactly 1 mafia on the mission.


you think i want to be on a mission team with you if im scum? you acualy think that? Every scum game lose i have is basicly fro you convincing town im scum seems like a pretty fucknig dumb move
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 07 2015 12:37 GMT
#1575
rayn, that's gameplay, not attitude. You amuse me

sicklucker, thank goodness you're here. From your filter, you've decided Xatalos is the likely spy (or a likely spy) in the last team combination.

Who is a spy WITH Xatalos?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 12:38 GMT
#1576
On November 07 2015 19:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well tbh the scumteam of me/HtS/Superbia is so ridiculous to even come up with in the first place.
Like HtS starts the game by hard-townreading both of her scumbuddies and the whole scumteam is okay with her nominating the whole scumteam onto the mission.

"okay, makes sense"


if your scum your always with artanis. he even just nominated you. No idea who would be the third. Could even be xata
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 12:39 GMT
#1577
On November 07 2015 21:37 Half the Sky wrote:
rayn, that's gameplay, not attitude. You amuse me

sicklucker, thank goodness you're here. From your filter, you've decided Xatalos is the likely spy (or a likely spy) in the last team combination.

Who is a spy WITH Xatalos?


im not even sure its xata with rayn also thinking im scum after hard town reading me... his own qoute "rolf sicklucker your so town" . like he gave it no thought I cant see his thought process
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 12:40 GMT
#1578
ok hts apparently i missed that you were suggested to be on a team with rayn and xata day one is this true? if so your town from my pov becuase you were the original fall guy
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 07 2015 12:44 GMT
#1579
On November 07 2015 21:35 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I have an idea.
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Kitaman27, Raynpelikoneet, Superbia


a little more reasonable.. But no rels? really?


I would upvote this team pending another look at Superbia (but although low-volume, nothing is jumping out at me on Superbia as scummy). If I don't feel good with Superbia....eh I would have to decide between you and him since all that's left is Xata (review pending), Rels and Shockey.

Only other thing I could do is re-read Rels if I'm wrong on him.

Artanis, Kita and rayn all would appear fine, and I'm pretty sold on the latter two as town atm. Artanis's posting when I've been afk has been pretty towny.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 12:44 GMT
#1580
Anyway we need to vote no to todays noms its going to fail over half the time its just a bad mission with the info I have. I obviously have more info but come on you guys can peice this together to you have to. If you guys dont get off your ass we already lost this game. Id say town has under a 10% chance reading the thread the last day.

Mission team needs to include hts and rels. I might even gamble with someone like shockey at thes point. I think the third scum is one of kita/super who is trying to distance and put scum on me. Like all kita is talking about is some stupid shit I wrote out of context over a week ago. Whatever one of you is town get your head out of your ass
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