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On November 07 2015 21:44 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 21:35 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I have an idea.
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Kitaman27, Raynpelikoneet, Superbia a little more reasonable.. But no rels? really? I would upvote this team pending another look at Superbia (but although low-volume, nothing is jumping out at me on Superbia as scummy). If I don't feel good with Superbia....eh I would have to decide between you and him since all that's left is Xata (review pending), Rels and Shockey. Only other thing I could do is re-read Rels if I'm wrong on him. Artanis, Kita and rayn all would appear fine, and I'm pretty sold on the latter two as town atm. Artanis's posting when I've been afk has been pretty towny.
Day 1 mission. you,rayn,xata or was it atanis?
day 2 mission me,rayn,xata
Like we were both the fall guy since the scum of that group does not want to drop his town read on the other. (BOTH ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE OTHER TO BE SCUM THATS ABSURD)
Hts if you vote that team im pretty sure we lose. Plz hold out and vote no and ill vote any team with you on it
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On November 07 2015 21:40 sicklucker wrote:
ok hts apparently i missed that you were suggested to be on a team with rayn and xata day one is this true? if so your town from my pov becuase you were the original fall guy
My nominations:
(1) rayn, Superbia, myself (8h45m left)
(2) Xatalos, rayn, myself (4h45 left)
(3) Kita, rayn, myself (1h9m left) - rejected
It would have helped me greatly if I didn't have to play the game from the airport, but what's done is done.
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Oh ya but you made the team day 1 rofl. I dont know anymore except that town lost
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On November 07 2015 21:47 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 21:44 Half the Sky wrote:On November 07 2015 21:35 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I have an idea.
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Kitaman27, Raynpelikoneet, Superbia a little more reasonable.. But no rels? really? I would upvote this team pending another look at Superbia (but although low-volume, nothing is jumping out at me on Superbia as scummy). If I don't feel good with Superbia....eh I would have to decide between you and him since all that's left is Xata (review pending), Rels and Shockey. Only other thing I could do is re-read Rels if I'm wrong on him. Artanis, Kita and rayn all would appear fine, and I'm pretty sold on the latter two as town atm. Artanis's posting when I've been afk has been pretty towny. Day 1 mission. you,rayn,xata or was it atanis? day 2 mission me,rayn,xata Like we were both the fall guy since the scum of that group does not want to drop his town read on the other. (BOTH ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE OTHER TO BE SCUM THATS ABSURD) Hts if you vote that team im pretty sure we lose. Plz hold out and vote no and ill vote any team with you on it
I want to be on a team, but I am near universally scumread. It will never pass.
If you were to swap me in for someone, then who would it be? rayn? superbia?
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Like rayn/xata which one of you is the idiot town that wont even consider that the other is scum even tho mathamaticly they are scum like 60+% of the time
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On November 07 2015 21:48 sicklucker wrote:
Oh ya but you made the team day 1 rofl. I dont know anymore except that town lost
This was another team that I was looking at.
On November 03 2015 07:57 Half the Sky wrote:
4 mins left.
Could pull myself off and go with Rayn/Superbia/Kita.
But there are too many people not digging at least one of these as town.
For what it's worth.
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On November 07 2015 21:49 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 21:47 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 21:44 Half the Sky wrote:On November 07 2015 21:35 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I have an idea.
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Kitaman27, Raynpelikoneet, Superbia a little more reasonable.. But no rels? really? I would upvote this team pending another look at Superbia (but although low-volume, nothing is jumping out at me on Superbia as scummy). If I don't feel good with Superbia....eh I would have to decide between you and him since all that's left is Xata (review pending), Rels and Shockey. Only other thing I could do is re-read Rels if I'm wrong on him. Artanis, Kita and rayn all would appear fine, and I'm pretty sold on the latter two as town atm. Artanis's posting when I've been afk has been pretty towny. Day 1 mission. you,rayn,xata or was it atanis? day 2 mission me,rayn,xata Like we were both the fall guy since the scum of that group does not want to drop his town read on the other. (BOTH ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE OTHER TO BE SCUM THATS ABSURD) Hts if you vote that team im pretty sure we lose. Plz hold out and vote no and ill vote any team with you on it I want to be on a team, but I am near universally scumread. It will never pass. If you were to swap me in for someone, then who would it be? rayn? superbia?
... super rayns scum 60%+ of the time from my pov im never voting any team with him or xata in it. Its the correct play knowing what I know
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On November 07 2015 21:47 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 21:44 Half the Sky wrote:On November 07 2015 21:35 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I have an idea.
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Kitaman27, Raynpelikoneet, Superbia a little more reasonable.. But no rels? really? I would upvote this team pending another look at Superbia (but although low-volume, nothing is jumping out at me on Superbia as scummy). If I don't feel good with Superbia....eh I would have to decide between you and him since all that's left is Xata (review pending), Rels and Shockey. Only other thing I could do is re-read Rels if I'm wrong on him. Artanis, Kita and rayn all would appear fine, and I'm pretty sold on the latter two as town atm. Artanis's posting when I've been afk has been pretty towny. Day 1 mission. you,rayn,xata or was it atanis? day 2 mission me,rayn,xata Like we were both the fall guy since the scum of that group does not want to drop his town read on the other. (BOTH ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE OTHER TO BE SCUM THATS ABSURD) Hts if you vote that team im pretty sure we lose. Plz hold out and vote no and ill vote any team with you on it
That said you have a good point for what I'm reading on Xata IMO, but I'm trying atm to follow up on the Superbia read, since Kita suspected you for that.
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On November 07 2015 21:50 sicklucker wrote:
... super rayns scum 60%+ of the time from my pov im never voting any team with him or xata in it. Its the correct play knowing what I know
You mean you'd keep superbia in and swap me in for rayn? (language check I know...)
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On November 07 2015 21:52 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 21:50 sicklucker wrote:
... super rayns scum 60%+ of the time from my pov im never voting any team with him or xata in it. Its the correct play knowing what I know
You mean you'd keep superbia in and swap me in for rayn? (language check I know...)
no i dont really want super. I just want him more then rayn. I want everyone in more then rayn and xata
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Like on second thought im not sure I would even want you on a team. your in like the middle for me you have nominated some pretty sketchy teams. My reasons for wanting you nominated were based on the fact I thought someone else nominated you
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On November 07 2015 21:48 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 21:40 sicklucker wrote:
ok hts apparently i missed that you were suggested to be on a team with rayn and xata day one is this true? if so your town from my pov becuase you were the original fall guy My nominations: (1) rayn, Superbia, myself (8h45m left) (2) Xatalos, rayn, myself (4h45 left)(3) Kita, rayn, myself (1h9m left) - rejected It would have helped me greatly if I didn't have to play the game from the airport, but what's done is done.
like with who i think scum im pretty sure all 3 of these teams include a scum. I dont like that
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Alright, I'm having a tough time following your read on Superbia. From reading your filter.
Can you explain to me in a few sentences:
(1) what made him scummy to you the first cycle
(2) what makes you hesistant (based on post 1590) to have him on a team now.
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Last time i am going to post this:
Here is why ShoCkeyy is mafia:
First of all these things go together:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 03:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm pretty much going to reject the xata/rayn combo wombo. I'd rather see the first team mentioned - hts,super,xata go through. At least if a sabotage happens, we definitely have a good chance of finding the mafia until the next mission. Xatalos is null -> that means he has to townread the people i colored green in the post. There is no other possible way he says this. On November 03 2015 22:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ShoCkeyy do you agree you, kitaman and Rels should go to the first mission? Yea sure why not, I have a better feeling about kitaman and rels than I do of you... Townreads on kitaman and Rels. On November 04 2015 04:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:
@kita you summed it up here:
"He doesn't seem comfortable giving out statements which he isn't confident about. This could either mean that truly isn't sure and wants more time until it is clear or that he doesn't want to make a statement that could backfire later on in the game."
And also, I have been looking into rayn's previous games. Another thing, I don't need to be on a team, I already know I'm town, so when ever I do get on a team I'll be a 33% chance that it will pass. My current focus atm is trying to find town so when I vote for the teams, I know I'm voting confidently. Look at the bolded part in this post for further reference. On November 05 2015 02:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Since this worked so well for me last time I'm gonna go and do it again. Reads of X on Y below: ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/l8XDS/c5b4b0ac75.png) Things of note after I went through the filters: -Superbia doesn't have many opinions at all. I don't like it. He was honed into one thing and one thing alone for a while and didn't really come to anything from it. -I actually came off with a pretty strong townread on sl from it, which I was surprised by. He seems very open and aggressive in his posting which I didn't get from him when he was scum. Seems to actually be trying to do stuff. -Surprised so many people scumread Rels still. He seems really active to me and pushing things. Can people explain this? -Still actually kinda leaning scum on HtS. She seems highly defensive, and in hindsight I still don't really like how she mentioned how I didn't have much time, yet still tried to push a fear read based on not doing much. Also, Rayn should be on whichever next mission. I also find it odd that shockeyy's actually suspicious of him, I'm not sure that's actually a good play as mafia to do but eh. Could be newbie scum I suppose. You missed that I town read you and rels also. Another thing, why would I say I don't need to get on a team if I was mafia? Wouldn't I want to be on a team if I was mafia in order to sabotage?... You guys don't make any sense. I also don't need to place myself on my own team if I'm confident on who is town. Back to work.
Now from these posts we can gather the following:
Everyone except rayn/Xatalos/sicklucker is townreads. I don't give a fuck if the dude says "i didn't actually say that" because that is just bullshit. If he townreads five people and he is himself town that literally means he thinks the rest of the people are likely to be mafia. Now let's go to this, what i bolded earlier:
My current focus atm is trying to find town so when I vote for the teams, I know I'm voting confidently.
Okay so in his opinion, he has found the townies. This doesn't go along with how he ACTUALLY votes for the HtS team. For two reasons:
1) He "knows" there is scum on the team. In fact he should assume there is two scum (me/Xatalos). Yet he still votes yes, while earlier on saying he will refuse that team.
2) Now if he wants to be "tricky" and yay-vote the team because there are 2 scum in it, that would be okay. But that's not why he says he yay-voted it (i could have somehow understood that explanation).
To elaborate further onto this all. Shockeyy was okay with there being 1 scum on the team while saying his current focus is finding town -- that doesn't really go along with what he said earlier.
A reasonable explanation for the yay-vote should have been "in fact it's better that there are 2 or even 3 scum on the team, as long as we don't send any of those people onto further mission". That's not however his explanation.
Onto Xatalos' team. In Shockeyy's opinion this mission had three scum in it. Yet he refused to yay-vote it. Again, his stance is:
On November 05 2015 23:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:Idk why it's so hard for people to understand I knew the votes would be visible... Also it's not hard to look through my filter. Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 03:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm pretty much going to reject the xata/rayn combo wombo. I'd rather see the first team mentioned - hts,super,xata go through. At least if a sabotage happens, we definitely have a good chance of finding the mafia until the next mission. The lineup when I voted was HtS, Xata and Kita, which I was perfectly fine with. Also, a bit more on my strategy. Losing the first one is a big deal to me, because then we have 1 out of 3 that have to be mafia. We just do not ever send any of them to any missions. After there will be three missions that are ready to be won since the fourth one needs at least 2 mafia members and we know of already one by then who hasn't gone on any other missions. Obviously there will be two more, as well, but with this game dragging out, it'll eventually be easy to spot them.
... now if he actually believes all of me/Xatalos/SL are mafia, he should upvote this team. Just because then we don't send any of them into further mission --> the town wins, since the town will automatically pick 4 town whoever they pick. Then when the mission passes, the same team gets picked again. Then when the mission passes who cares who is picked onto mission 4.
The other possibility is he doesn't actually townread the people he says he townreads, which also doesn't make any sense.
TLDR;
- His approach to how he votes doesn't line up with WHY he acts in some way in some situations and in another way in other situations.
- He doesn't really give any reasoning to his reads. The only reasoning he gives is the scumreads on me and Xatalos, and "he is angry", "they are in the thread at the same time", "they both suspected Rels" is not a reason to scumread anyone.
- When he is called out of his reads, he says "i didn't really call you scum" -- i think everyone can see why this is literally bullshit, kitaman already pointed this out.
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ShoCkeyy you have the next nomination that I can trust. im sure you wont get the votes because towns gonna lose but who would you be willing to submit?
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On November 07 2015 21:56 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 21:48 Half the Sky wrote:On November 07 2015 21:40 sicklucker wrote:
ok hts apparently i missed that you were suggested to be on a team with rayn and xata day one is this true? if so your town from my pov becuase you were the original fall guy My nominations: (1) rayn, Superbia, myself (8h45m left) (2) Xatalos, rayn, myself (4h45 left)(3) Kita, rayn, myself (1h9m left) - rejected It would have helped me greatly if I didn't have to play the game from the airport, but what's done is done. like with who i think scum im pretty sure all 3 of these teams include a scum. I dont like that
But do you think it's because I was playing suboptimally or because I am mafia? From what you are posting, I don't believe you are aware as to why I made the selections the way I did or how I did.
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On November 07 2015 21:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I'm having a tough time following your read on Superbia. From reading your filter.
Can you explain to me in a few sentences:
(1) what made him scummy to you the first cycle
(2) what makes you hesistant (based on post 1590) to have him on a team now.
hes lurking like his mafia meta. all i remember him doing is putting my name in the mud. Kinda what scum is expected to do to the fall guy..
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On November 07 2015 21:58 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 21:56 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 21:48 Half the Sky wrote:On November 07 2015 21:40 sicklucker wrote:
ok hts apparently i missed that you were suggested to be on a team with rayn and xata day one is this true? if so your town from my pov becuase you were the original fall guy My nominations: (1) rayn, Superbia, myself (8h45m left) (2) Xatalos, rayn, myself (4h45 left)(3) Kita, rayn, myself (1h9m left) - rejected It would have helped me greatly if I didn't have to play the game from the airport, but what's done is done. like with who i think scum im pretty sure all 3 of these teams include a scum. I dont like that But do you think it's because I was playing suboptimally or because I am mafia? From what you are posting, I don't believe you are aware as to why I made the selections the way I did or how I did.
I dont really care. But im not seeing 4 people I can trust in this game so eventually im gonna have to gamble on someone that could be you...
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On November 07 2015 21:49 sicklucker wrote:
Like rayn/xata which one of you is the idiot town that wont even consider that the other is scum even tho mathamaticly they are scum like 60+% of the time
How about you explain why i am scum instead of just throwing in some percentages without any substance?
If you are scum the easiest way for you is just to call me and Xatalos mafia and say "well i don't care at least one of them is scum yolo". Because you effectively zone out two townies for "reasonable" reasons.
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On November 07 2015 21:58 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 21:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I'm having a tough time following your read on Superbia. From reading your filter.
Can you explain to me in a few sentences:
(1) what made him scummy to you the first cycle
(2) what makes you hesistant (based on post 1590) to have him on a team now. hes lurking like his mafia meta. all i remember him doing is putting my name in the mud. Kinda what scum is expected to do to the fall guy..
Alright, you answered #2, but #1? He was a bit more active first cycle than he is currently now.
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